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This is this is Bernie Hermann with them oven. >> Paul Arnold Saunders, it lumps palm on the 28th of August.

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>> And talking about remembering New York. >> Mr. Hall, I'll start with you. Could you talk a little bit about growing up in New York and about your family.

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>> Grown up in New York with a fairly cleanly live in one of the things that the county council was always stress in that district,

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reclaiming the neighborhoods. I check it as 5a. >> Police services could be provided. Me. >> I remembered that we

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could go to bed at night, especially in the summer time, and not have to lock your doors are screened door in the summer time stayed open

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or our main door stayed open as long as the weather was hot and people would common before they come in, they wouldn't knock on a door.

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>> They didn't just walk in should anything happen to your house. The neighbor across the street knew about it and they would

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tell you about him when he got home. >> As a young fella, It's sometimes a little mystery of and like to do things on Halloween or something.

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>> My dad and she wanted to neighbors say you doing something, they would either grab in, stop me, or definitely

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we're going to tell your parents. >> I remember a time when I was around eight or nine years old when I had gotten my first bicycle.

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And during the summertime, we would water bicycles for Christmas. Basically. During the summertime when school was out,

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we ran up to the Crick, which is down south College Avenue. And we used to go up there, swim in, and that would basically a

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park that was opened. >> I can't remember who bring in the park, read all fan and he had a little concise and stand up there.

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And that seemed to me to fund was suddenly to be able to decrypt and swim and enjoy yourself. While as we got about nine or ten years,

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oh, I guess the young fellows, we wanted to venture out because traffic loads and that heavy most of the road

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Guarani paved on one side and you had one side paid on the other side. So we would leave New London Avenue and cleave an app.

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And they will meet there on a lot that will phone by appealing to what the Sanders I think there was a gas station or something like

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that and we would all meet there and we get on our bicycles at like nine o'clock in the morning,

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we'd brought up to New London, New 896, which is New London row. >> And we go up two campbell Zell, Pennsylvania cut down across

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>> Come up what we call crypt grow, which was south College Avenue. I'd say we would cover probably a 20 mile stripped on

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a day and we will stop at what was called the old Crick up there and the dam. >> And they'll swim and at the dam.

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And then we would put it back on and hit home. When we got home. >> That would usually be about 430 quarter to five just before our opinion Scott there.

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>> So we wanted to make them think that width and around a neighborhood obey. But actually we were riding the bike. My mother or my adopt the

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Guardian worked with a lady which happened to be white. And one day we took off and she was on vacation.

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>> And when she got back to work that Monday, She asked my mother, Dixie noted, I was riding all the boys are riding up

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New London row going on this bicycle. >> And my mother come back home and she asked him about it. Of course, you know, you try

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to get out of and say you didn't do it. But after, you know, your mother gets on me for why you admit that you were out there

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writing and she didn't note if we were going so far away from home and then don't ever stop by. >> We will go get rollerskates.

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>> We'd start out in the morning, Iran, all through the University of Delaware because the robot pay and not that black top.

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>> They had Syngman and the University of Delaware, which made the smooth rolling. >> And there may be 20 kids

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out there rotting or roller skating, you know, and the activities will always break. We didn't have crime or fighting or

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instance like you have today because everybody has some type of activity that we were in are locked in. >> There was a vacant lot up there that was

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dirt and a guy older guys constructed a basketball court there. >> And every day at a certain time, say after school, everybody would meet

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there from four to five o'clock and we play basketball on Saturday. So we played basketball. >> And as we got to be a little bit older,

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someone found some contacts at the down on Delaware Avenue, which is on now by the University of Delaware.

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>> And we would participate in this basketball. >> They, again, most of the time we dominated

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the leg because as you know, most blacks and that time had nothing to do really but sports. >> And so therefore, that was

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the reclamation that Williams to entertain ourselves with. Let's see, what else can I say here as far as gone to school was we,

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we've had very good scoop conditions >> Because I want couldn't move on then Avenue School. And the book for

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basically the second handbooks that had four or five students names and I'm before we got them, but they were in pretty good condition

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and the teachers seem to stay with us. >> And we had a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade, and eighth grade, you graduate.

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>> And then he caught the bus to ride to Howard in Wilmington. When were you a student at Howard? >> I went to Howard and 52 to 56.

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>> So you were there for the Supreme Court decision. >> How would say I'm for the Supreme Court decision?

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>> What was that like? >> Well, there was a lot of lot of question and a lot of unknown to us

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because we didn't know what was gonna happen. And we kind of wondered, well, where am I going to go to school? What's going to happen to I transfer?

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How they're going to be like when you start making the integration. >> But I remember during that time, I think Sue was the superintendent

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and before the Supreme Court decision with main shoe, Hey, come to the school and had everyone come to the auditorium

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and he said that there was going to be integration. And that new arc was prepared for that integration

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before it really happened. >> And I, we, I, I remember shoe standing up in front of the class SNF and you always wonder about,

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oh wow, wasn't really wasn't too hard. >> I don't think that integration in Milwaukee,

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we did everything with Dwight, let go to school yet, edit data. >> So true because we play ball. >> When am I stayed up there with

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no tinea Jackson right now. Os claim escalated his house a lot. >> And so womb and William graded and it went over

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because I already had report with the guy who played sports with them. >> Yeah. Because I believe I have one at 13, went down to deal continental Thiel

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And I was plan and baseball with the American. They didn't Team which was were there was myself,

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bunny, Ronnie, and Bucky. And we played American Legion ball and I became a contact. >> But like Mark Hearn,

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which was a doctor and had the Hearn, We him and I, we became really good friends. >> We traveled together for a while and when he got

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his doctors establishment up on possum park, Rowe invited my wife and I. >> We had several full parties, and I met the guys there that I had

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played America leads in baseball with >> And another thing was that the integration on Sundays there, what the thing that the guys from

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our football team would get together, would put the gas in the archive and they would have on a football game to

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the first or second Sunday after Thanksgiving. >> But during the during the days I would go down to

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the University of Delaware and which the field was on behind your carpenters Build. >> And yeah.

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>> And I play ball. >> What's most with an integrated thing. They tune it up sides. >> And then after that,

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we went to hang out at the garage, which was like God, right behind the paper store on Main Street. >> Guys knew each other and

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we told a joke kid, but we couldn't go and stay restaurant in order anything and have food. >> But the guy that said, hey man,

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you want to Soder, You want to popsicles. >> And they will go into the paper store and get a soda pops.

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That global stuff like again, bring it outdoors. This is the new stand at this the new state. >> Yeah.

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>> So that was owned by Fisher don't at time now, Fisher was seen to be a pretty good guy. >> He always encouraged to

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have several I lose carriers to do black neighborhood and I don't know what the pay was there. >> I never became a news carrier,

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but I know IRL stone or in his brother Cheng were to news carriers in our neighborhood and they will go down to the new stain and hang out

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down in the back and it glides with all integrated with would be an integrated thing. >> Ten a little about your family. >> Basically, my family

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was my mother and father and six children and Dawn knee, my early years of going to school, my father worked toward

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peasy and generally shipyard. >> And after accusing gentleman shipyard close down, my father went off to Delaware Park and

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followed the horses and sent money back home because unemployment was kind of bad at that time. >> In what my grandfather did was he honed

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his property and he shared in the backyard. >> And in that said, he divided up into two rooms which was like a kitchen and a bedroom.

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And that's where my mother in her children wouldn't it? >> For about a year and then my sister can

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probably were all adopt the down and to the family. >> This was a new art. >> This was a new arm. Yeah.

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>> Remember the address of this? >> I'd say like Gus happening like 70 to New London avenue. I believe it was somewhere

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where he had divided to see an obese to go back. >> The house is still there. >> Hit song by cousin mind.

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>> Now I have to say it is no longer the arrow for the house that we live in. >> We carry water from

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my grandmother Johnson's house to our house and kneeling tin bucket And we used the basin toolbar bar shelf ban and we slept two children,

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two beta or however with the bulk up. >> And there was a growing experience only, only lasted a year or so for me. >> And then I will adopt that,

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I think something like five years old. >> So this is but one is this late thirties or forties? About 40 somewhere between 19401948,

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somewhere in that area. I'm not exactly sure what a date right now. >> I'm proud I had to go back and really think about

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that plus mass here. >> What we are. >> Your father's name and your mother's name? >> And my father

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everybody we were basically called Bill Hall and Mary Hall. >> And we had other relative among within a, within a neighborhood that was adopted.

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>> I could go back up to my grandmothers and Nike's stated day or when school was out and my adopted parents were working,

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than I would stay at my grandfather and grandmother's house. >> Grandfather swollen basically with a carpenter.

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>> So that's one of the reasons why he was able to transform that grinds into a house. When he did was he put sheet rock

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into it and really, really made a nice, you know, put a flowing into the garage and put a doorway

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in rather than the real tried store. >> And it was pretty well what's really the greatest comfort,

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but we live there. >> Do your family was swans? >> Yeah. >> My my my great grandmother would go down.

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>> So my grant, it was swollen, which would have been my mother's maiden name and then my father was Hall. >> So my my essay,

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I'm not exactly sure what all the Johnson family were from, but I know that my grandfather swan, we often talk when I was little,

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small guy and he was from Virginia, and he was at one time a slave in Virginia. He had run away as a slave and had gone to Philadelphia.

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After being in Philadelphia, he, I guess where he picked up as carpeted trade, brought him to new art when they were doing quite a bit of building and

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he was working in a new art. And somehow now that he met my grandmother. And so he just stayed in New York and they were married.

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Family envelop from from that area on how he purchased a house? >> I don't exactly know, but he had a duplex which was one side.

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>> He ran it out and the other side. >> And he lived with my grandmother in local. >> And then after a while, there was times when we lived

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with my grand mother and father for about a few months until >> He was able to make other arrangements. >> Horse or anyone else.

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I'm just going to ask you is that it seems like the center of the community was right around where the barbershop was in the Elk's Club is Yale.

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>> Well, it doesn't have to give us, we'll describe a little of that. >> With that, the heart of the community was like,

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well, the harder community based. >> Put a note on the narrow Cleveland Avenue about maybe six, that how those Cleveland Avenue string,

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arrow string and corporate x3. And the community was basically a nice community. >> Everybody seemed to know everybody,

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everyone seemed to get along with everyone. Of course, the usual disagreements that everybody has when you live near somebody or if for

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some reason you're not always going to get along together. But those, those conditions, they didn't last.

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People didn't hold grudges against each other. Everybody used to set out on the steps in the evening you now and go buy.

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>> Everyone taught each other hello, how are you? >> Or most people knew someone was sick

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or when someone had a problem, If there was death in the family or something like that, everybody in the community

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would seem to come along and offer, you know, they'd bring in fried chicken or sweet potatoes or something to help the family to to maintain

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doing hardship tied when relatives from out of town came in. >> I don't know what else. >> The great me oh, yeah.

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The deal schoolhouse upon on New London Avenue. >> School was the biggest meeting place where every,

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everybody seemed to go. >> We had that community ball themes that played there and then just general fun time,

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same like when, when you aren't you looking for he come up house and there was nobody around. >> You hit it up to the school.

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>> Brown, once again on the school grounded with a basketball or baseball or something, going on a horse shoes.

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>> Where where everybody participated. In short, What was George Will says GD Wilson Community Center. >> Now, so I understand that there used to be

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an undertaker down near there and a funeral parlor and Mr. Jim Bel Belgium at uni swimming pool. >> Their two kids could swim

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for corn has Anaconda, who's now the director of the gang. >> And he was like, God **** Michigan was

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an uncle and it was a valve wishes. My grandfather was a grandfather and we could go swim and especially like

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on Saturday mornings, I think are like $0.25. >> And Mrs. Bell would make cinnamon buns and everybody to pay to get in.

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>> I got a chance to get a cinnamon bun. >> Why your swim? >> And then I think on a Saturday morning in the summer,

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and that's where you could find just about every teenager or any body that little one, toddlers. That's where everybody was going to just

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bell swimming pool and then please say something. >> Number hit. >> I trained in trembling,

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helped him become overwhelming, withstanding Jay-Z even mixed on the afternoon games eyeball the NSA uses

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outside of that big it together. >> Yeah. We used to have what was known at the red devil than the blue Devils. >> And that's what got me started

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playing baseball. >> And the older guys, like a few god, would go to college when they were Component.

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>> I think William Brown was the Director of Sports and when he would go travel to dent Merlin or something like that,

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he would book two ball games on the weekends for a team down and debt maybe if he was going to oppress them barrel and he

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would booking Teen WordPress. >> And then on Saturday and Sunday, we were traveling and go play play baseball. And then we had a movement of

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a family come in from Virginia and they brought their young, say, school age students. >> And then so we,

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we had a very good ball team where one or two of the guys had professional triumphs during that time. >> We would leave on

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early Saturday morning and we would go down to where? >> The Vietnam Memorial Islam. >> While part that part in

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pretending that we went down and we would go down there twice a season to play in that park down in Washington.

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And I remember when they were going to construct that Vietnam Memorial. When I say, Oh, I want my y log, and this is where I play

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ball on a Saturday and Sunday. A lot of time upon like we will go to a town in for dinner and we would get down there like on a Saturday,

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we will play ball Saturday, plate two gamma one at one o'clock and maybe want it at four o'clock at night, we were sleep right in and feel

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bread alone ahead row in our cars and pull out the blankets and the lay down. The next day we would get up and go to

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a gas station and walks out, clean up and see if we could find some place where we could get food and water. Can go right back and stay in the field.

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And we would play ball on Sunday and then come back home when I was a semi. >> Blogs just pro a

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>> This will just just like like town pick-up baseball. >> Can. It looks down at him out. >> He had one.

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>> But that trip to Washington, we took a blessed here because they had a one-on-one catching a bad one to see him.

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>> And I had been one of the guys I had been thrown out stealing from first to second. >> And I guess that's a good two years. And one arm catch, it threw me

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out because I couldn't believe that they can't they'll me out and I was wanted to faster guys on there on a ball thing.

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Then I've got moved to would play with Pete Best. And then they had a team out an iron Hill which is called the Glasgow.

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And that was always robbery between Glasgow and New aren't where the guys would adapt. Glasgow Pinot Noir can play.

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And we'd have a weekend series on Saturday. Coming to Noir can play two games. >> And then we would go to Glasgow behind your roller rink air template to gain

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which was run by what was that guy's name? >> He thought Dad, I can't think of the guys that you might be afraid.

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>> I say, well, so then as I become older, I'm around ten or 11. >> I know George Wilson got into politics and he became

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one of the first calcium. And that was in the New. >> Aren't there yet? >> I really want to ask you about

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george Wilson seems to be a major person in the community. >> George was an outspoken and a major person in the community.

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>> He did a lot of things than to help the black area and develop my noted some of his legislation. >> All the houses in New York

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had used to have a little out of us after I was about maybe ten years old when George got into Council, all of the outdoor, how those were

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done away with because the city came through with storage and we were able to be hooked up to so reach, you know, and I know at the time to

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house that my adoptive family hadn't lived, would live and we were running. >> And then after a few years, as I became older

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and I was able to go out work. We were able to buy that house where my adoptive mother, Miss Bessie, stayed for

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the rest of her years than mine. I came back. She worked as a domestic worker and she came back to live with her.

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>> And when my other on retired and came back and it was basically a three story house with a bathroom and we had three bedrooms.

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>> And it was fairly good at Evan wasn't misspent CD dietitian for Portugal? >> Yeah. One time especially was the cook at the New London Avenue School there

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for about five years. >> And her husband, Mr. Gianni the 2m, had adopted me and he was the janitor

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that for years in their last name was Hall in London. >> My last name was Hall >> Their name us all. And then

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they would boils lands. >> What happened was they adopted me, but I kept my name when my mother passed away.

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>> And this was during a time when we lived in the shed off when we lived in the gums are negotiated the garage and I was out, I believe.

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>> I don't know about walking down a street, roller skating or something like that. >> And she was setting out on a portraits. >> He says, Would you like to

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live with me or something like that? >> And like, you know, fine to me, it kind of at first caught me by surprise or shout and

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then I thought about it. >> As I've thought about it, I talked to my mother and said something about it.

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>> And then they contact and my mother and they let me go stay with Ellen. >> And I started at my school and that New London Avenue,

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which was now New London with very nice because in the winter time we had big snows. >> Everybody would gather

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together what we call old greens feel, which is the campus for University of Delaware. >> And we'd all get there and we'd go

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sliding down the hill and up the hill over Clayton. Clayton? Oh, yeah. >> The guys would the older guys

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come out and they would get tires. They would like to tides athletes, they didn't get coal. >> You'd set around a fire there and get

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warning and go sled again. And like nine o'clock or so we got when school like we had a snow day from scaring everybody met

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Holger and greens feel he can have We said we could also from gray street, slid down the hill and then go up the hill by plate,

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slid back down the hill there with the Crick dividing the two streak, say that once and ended up being a Greek way. >> Some some ended up in the creek.

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>> I remember one time I was so high there that there was a fence. >> So that had to be good for foot high. >> And we were able to award the creek and

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defense and go back up to re streaks slit down because it came down to the bottom and almost everybody owned a sled.

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>> When it snowed, everybody from Ray speak, whoever Street London Avenue would meet at the top and New London Avenue and they slid down the hill.

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>> By the time I was teenage, traffic has started getting a little heavier. >> So we start commonapp poor mistreat to New London Avenue because we were able to

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stop without going into the roadway traffic, you know, we would hop on the back, but bumper of a car at New London avenue, we would wind up down

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in West aren't place somewhere. >> Before we go to the bumper car, slide on your heels. Saw no way will be on the sleigh.

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>> Ans legislated. >> Yeah. We'd be it honestly. >> And now we let that go and and we kept another car coming back,

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flop on it, then the car take us back to where we came from. >> Then there was a lot of people that really how I

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get all bear, it's not safe. >> And then there were people would ever let you ride. >> And basically it was not

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any black with all right. With that, most black people at that time didn't have that many automobiles. >> And when it snowed, They

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went out on underway. >> As I asked you what year you were born. >> I born in 1937 lecture. >> You would be then old enough just as a,

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as a, as a small child. >> What was it like during the war years? >> New art, I guess the war years, I'd say wasn't much change.

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>> We did not have a real excess of anything. >> So what we had seemed to be the regular going word regnant going, the normal way of living or we I

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remember when the old converse acres came out for $2, we would go down to a nice no bomb and ten and we were able to get

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the $2 sneakers or something. My dad far shopping that most of the storage we could go in didn't allow three black students

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or three black kids to go into a store. >> But when your mother your father, came in and asked her 510, which was owned by hand law,

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for you to go in itself and they would die. >> He can buy sneakers, shoes, socks, or whatever you need it. >> You tell me a little about the churches.

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>> Yeah. >> It's sort of like to know about Bethel Because I live right there. There was I went to basicallys St.

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John's which the hill, Cleveland Avenue and New London Avenue. >> And there was services like every Sunday, everybody just about in the neighborhood.

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>> One teacher that was sitting with the black family Sundays that before I became a team, I had to go to charities like 14 or 15.

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>> I was playing ball and it seemed to be a pretty good athlete and team like the alcohol flashes from Wilmington,

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which was suddenly protein would request that I played what I could not go play with them until I went to church.

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>> Car from Wilmington would be there at my house at 12 o'clock when church let out and I would go get

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attic Chair Jacqueline after the sermon and collection. >> So before they gained a benediction, I will go to drop my donation in

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the plane and hated right out the door and be walking down the street, unbutton my shirt, taking my code also to hack and saying go play ball.

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>> The churches were basically well attended. >> Most of the residents in the area where >> A deacon or saying on a bar or had some kind of a position

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within a church like we had Mrs. Sanders had think seek with a school teacher and I think she would

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like Secretary St. John's Church. Mr. Morgan, who was principal of New London Avenue School for many years. >> He was, had been in

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the campaign aimed at Mount Zion, sir. So now they're attending church. >> Well, in the summertime, church has always know what

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to call bible school. And most of these children around that area went to Bible school like in the morning from

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maybe non o'clock to 12 or maybe from tended to well, am I good guidance? I've been pretty much looks

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like the neighborhood dam on the neighborhood kids because they got very little trouble today. >> Now, everybody says the LCL,

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you can say We don't want prayer, we don't want this. But you had right, not perhaps God, God there.

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>> But that's one of the things with that thing of having God in your life. >> You had a better background that I knew had a way

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of guidance that wouldn't let you demo to Trevor. >> You mentioned there were quires of courses.

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>> And I know from experience studying, living behind Pilgrim and listening to services on Sunday mornings, music. >> But over the years, even

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though it's a different combination there. >> Now is that going to ask, is how is music, How's gospel music in

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the church changed over time? In I guess like everything. >> The cost from immediately basically was a oh,

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I don't think that that would contain that was more or less a slower type of musing. >> People weren't quite as

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emotional as they are today. So the change today is that you have many different types of music. >> We had in the

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early days when I've been in church. >> Basically the harmony. What's the type of music? >> Now you have more rhythm.

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>> In the early years with the harmony, didn't have drums in a service or you didn't have a good power. Who's AS voices.

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>> Voices with the accompaniment of a piano. >> And now you have a drums on a guitar, along with the organ and the piano. >> Though it's his sayings and

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the rhythm of a lot of the science and the Temple has changed quite a bit. >> But that were some of the favorite songs

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back before the changes come to favorite one would beat. >> And they still are saying. >> Once the while was the near my God,

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the swing douse sweet chariot to WACC. >> And remember read all pan. >> And then there was always in

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the churches they had what puts the same route which would have been like to harmonize the poor, which will be four groups

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of men that the hat where I would stand up and they would render Gosh, except for maybe an hour and a half. >> And it would be a free love donation.

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>> Suppliers now we would have basically one quire in their early days. >> Now you have basically and maybe for def, applied to my 7am and squar.

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>> You might have an ensemble, then you may have the choir, and then you may have another selected group singing

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out in the community like, like to harmonize. >> The poor would travel from, sure. >> They ever make records. >> Guys up SS stopped for a second.

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Well, given the fact that we have only a couple more minutes, what have I not asked would I I should know about if I was

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to say this is the important thing about the new are black community over the years. >> What is it? >> One of the things that

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nobody knows about is the harmony of the community. How people live so close together, got along so well,

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and had no fear of the height of the difficulties that you have today. >> Have crime mischief nets that,

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that, that is done literally Sicily that didn't go on in the black community. >> Doing that time, you'll

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be amazed how horse milk, how educators that we die ourselves during that time. We've had, we've got Gertrude

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that particles that come out of me. >> It's just overwhelming the talent that came out of that small village in New on

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pro football players, pro baseball player. >> How do you persevere against all odds? >> And I believe prevention County so we can load that they had as a child,

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I thought we had a whole play as I got older and look back waiting. >> Hamlet's though we had, but we never wanted for anything.

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>> It's just such a great aspect that mu I can educate. You guessed, right. >> If there was actually

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a little bit it part of the plan of the project is to build something or make something to celebrate the community.

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You have to think about what it looked like that what will be the value that you'd want? >> Harmony is one, the value.

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>> What would that look like if you were to think of something from the community? >> What looks like prominent community overhead

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would be something that was good because I hanging out. But what I love and since then degrade. >> I'm looking at religious guidance

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that kept all the people together, even though there were three different churches. >> The churches would tell us,

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sit together and every everybody we're just like, oh, I love and bunch of group of people. >> There's something there

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that I can't quite figure out. >> Yeah, but that was really, really well com type of living. >> Then people got together very well.

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>> And that goes that didn't contribute something to Greg. >> Every family was there. >> They'd be the prideful, whether it

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be the sand rebooting emerging to switch everything to the left? I'm going to ask you one last question. >> And this is about your great grandfather.

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>> Grandfather, of course. >> Swan HL is did he say what part of Virginia he came from?

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>> Yeah. Right right now it doesn't come. >> Tell me tell me where he did escape from, where he did run away from eight.

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Tell me that he had taken a horse and wagon and he said that that was hanging offense for a black man. >> I get to talk to my brother.

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Well well, I'll ask them about where we are or my sister, but he did say where he had come from in Virginia,

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but I don't remember right now. >> I do know that as he had gotten older and before he passed away, he has started failing in health.

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>> And him and my grandmother got into the car and he wanted to try to find where he had, where he was raised that and began a slave.

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>> And the traffic was so happy that he had to pull over. And the state police, McCall, and my father went

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down with another guy and girl. >> Depart back point, we will get a chance to talk again. So big. Do you remember?

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>> That would be great. >> Okay. >> And then they've got places to be. >> I want to thank you very,

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very much for taking the time to do this and this will get typed up. >> You'll get a copy of the tape copy of the type script and we can market,

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you'll have both of them and it will become part of the history we're trying to build into our.

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>> Alright. >> Maybe during a time when I sit down, listen to the tape and go over and I might something may come in at Paypal,

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remind me of something else and, you know, pointing at habit until way well, thank you very, very much. >> Appreciate it.

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>> The sonars. >> Thank you as well. >> And we'll be talking on Monday. >> You know what?