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It's a little stand that are very delicate creatures. Flat back. Yeah. All right.

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Well, if you'd like to introduce yourself Sure. Just I have introduce yourself. Such are just so

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just so we can get make sure we have your voice down. You tell me your name and well, if you'd like to go into your age,

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I don't know if you want to. Yes. He said he doesn't want your name. Just so we can get your voice down.

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Distributor paid. Yeah. Go ahead and take telling your name the aims as gout in in your birth date.

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And 715. Again. The scale could just start out by telling me about your your work when you

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started it with price liver? It started back in the seventies. I was hired back in the seventies. Two weeks after they open.

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I had to get my Berkshire 23. And now an elaborate hard, when I got my version instead of every two weeks Azure started.

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And harder to lecture issue. I guess that's about it. And this was at the tank factory? A right.

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About the time plan, time, how you started in the tank plant, how high you got hired into to Harvard, hired an electrician.

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And my boss gets you are very, very pure. Sure. Let's see if I can. And then they have valves to the yard, ray and the oven. They were pregnant.

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And he hired raiders, work with them. I worked with them or loggers, a pattern of Bernard are never die in. And then average hard to take care of.

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And I was in there as long as it worked in the name. There's a period in there we got laid off. And then we'll come back to

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where we were making plans, tanks and an outer still electrician. And our RER and apply that they are birders. Lines. Has the aeration tanks went out.

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They say lower-level to Pennsylvania. I had to have take the tags with the electrician. And then that by the year two car plant come

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in and that Howard overheard they had detached rather than pay you than the map. And I stayed over there for

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about three years till I get the car private come in. Now that we've hardened their car plant. Okay. Tell me about your interview.

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Your job interview. When they come over, get me. Yes. Boss and the car plant.

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He had two electricians ahead and me who was older. And I come over and he says, come over to the car plant.

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I says, what kind of data, data yet? I got tired of them. Hey, says, Come on over us as I'll come over for one very less

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DIBL got taken their best that bus, all the stuff out of it. So I says Our come over here, give me one man on the floor and

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one man up on the criteria or the credit drug tests for 42 to an a out there and take our doctors of it was known as high day.

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Right? The guys didn't like electrician, didn't like working at heist, which it never bothered him. I got over-interpret rolloff.

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I had one man upon the current ratio with Ray and run longer floor, take them off. And I was in there. I had a job taking care of all the burners.

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Yes. Burner. I had to stay with them. Dr. Powell was one question that the gentleman at the Chrysler plant asked

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you to get you hard already run the boss. My boss. He asking one question, right. And that's what got him hard.

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How do you reversed or three failures? Murder. Sir, I tell this to anger, to agentic. Two wires have

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fair recursively. That's right. Yeah. I guess he said Yes. Tony are asking When can you

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start When can you start work is electrician year in the plan? But he asking just at one question, that's getting hired.

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I prevent it. Rose. Card run through the algorithm or the hate. When they have it, break down.

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The word sterile room and an app for that error has started rid cut our Bernard rack. When they got done. Every dollar America

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come merry-go-round. Invented that. So you installed all those? Yeah. I'm just out of my time. What it took to get you to be able to

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install those. During that period? They had their staff to prevent their potent and panels. Fabric, shirt. I got paid for that.

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But a lot of the law, the higher ups, didn't want to accept his idea. But see what was

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happening during that period. If you had a block, what's known as a block of white cars, and you had your, your nine booth,

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you're ten booth ovens. Your nine Booth was your primer, Robins, your ten booth was your color others. And then you have what's known as

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final final spray on the final line. And that's when the car repair line when the car would go through and also be baked. If it was a minor repair needs maybe offender

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who would repaint it, or times or pilots or a firm price, it's come down and got the paperwork out. Turkic they're very apparent.

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But what would have to rise if even manually have to go and shut them down? If he was tied up somewhere else and he was the only electrician at

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knew how to shut together. It's down. If he can get there within a period of time. It will actually discovered learning and

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cars and burn the colors up. So that's when he thought in his mind, okay, then I can put this relay you narrower this idea of design

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to where after certain married matter of time, the ovens will automatically shut down themselves.

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After like five or 10, maybe David come back arm for his alarm started and Sue's lines started back.

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I paid him David click ON automatically, but they fought him for a long time as far as putting this in in play. And he finally convinced them,

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well, let me try one oven. And then after he did that bin, then it went throughout that pretty well. The corporation was a company-wide.

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It wasn't just the press or the newer location that they did that in other plants to pop a red circle paperwork

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out of our work, the river. He did get a what did you get from a letter from the plant manager from

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there, I'd rather better hurry. I've had the program and I've got paid back during that period day to have programs to

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where if you came up with an idea like that, you would actually get paid for it. But it wasn't me, it was after that is when the story,

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that sort of incentive program for guys to brainstorm and come up with new ideas. Before I run over to your car. I got the boss or where to run

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the take me out there there of the tags and drive it. Sorry, I got that. I've got the driver tighter.

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I'm the thread. Before I went over there. Very cool. Sorry. Did I ever pressured or how to drive a car?

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I don't know if you've ever noticed if you were inside the plant. Did you notice the one main beam? We actually never got a chance to go there.

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There's one main beam that was from, from the tank plant in Christ are still. And that's where they used to live to tanks and move them

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from one station to the next. I don't have a camera. Right. Hi baby. Is that the only piece left

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like that in the wooden Cobb floors? They had sections in here that the floors were actually wouldn't Cavs like cranes are alive or pick out

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how over time curve or the home outside. But we have always heard that the reason they never took that structure out, it's a ever wanted to convert

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back to building tax again, it was already there. And that's why they never never bothered with that beam.

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With any remodel went on throughout my laser's. They've telegraphed their poem that I wrote over there.

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Now, now that they're disassembling it now, it took everybody however there to yes, pretty well. It's pretty well gone now.

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The errors per day and are asked him about there weren't too many a day with them, feathers from urban Zao and backing back in his time.

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What I can remember when I first started here, first of all, they ruined foot. They would take

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their satchel with their tools in our toolbox in and do repairs like that. And then they allow bicycles in there with baskets.

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And he leaves the ride around because he had so many different locations go to shut the ovens down. He was one of

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the fortunate ones to get a bicycle, to be able to ride to the different stations. And he had to be very careful. A lot of times you would

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never know if somebody would upset a whole container of nuts or bolts are screws and you go around a corner.

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He was on a bike. I come home with his arms, knees would be skin up. Our Rotavirus. I don't murder are yeah. He was he was what's known as the oven man.

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He was a man and specifically took care of the ovens. And internationally when when production wasn't running.

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And he do the other normal electricians task. But he was in charge of firing the ovens up for the whole plant. You can tell him about that pop.

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Tell you about the size, the lines, and everything that they had gone in those ovens. About, I'd say are four.

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Pi the nerve and death. And Evans had there. But it'll allow us to burner in them. That disrupt the editor,

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shut that one down. And if a loss to the power of either automatic lectures to cover, how to care covered,

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either go through the frog, but it wouldn't have chat to everyone that our morale of our part at time with your counterparts

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did have watched John girl when he did that one day 0 February, nitration, average or off, they never won him to take

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any time off, right? He knew what was going on. And the other electricians they were nervous could

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be because of this foreach gas pipe. When you had to like the ovens are yet to show him down restarted mill where he couldn't,

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couldn't get to powder to lie. So he gets himself for a newspaper and set them on fire. Hits this with our desk

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of events here at woof. Mad a thin, I beggars are some vendors who fell out there.

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Pops and that kind of that amount volume of gas, can we get a blue whole glare? Ask why that happened?

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As one of the main value. There. We got a picture you in there and there. I got a picture in there. So we'll get to me later.

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So did you work every day then? Yeah. Fact every day. I learn about time.

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Ryan, his his schedule as a kid growing up. Ok. It was always day shift here. Shift was what pop eight to 430?

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Yeah. Could be a TA for 30, could be a to 530, could be H.263. It could be anywhere be 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 hours.

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And a lot of seven day a week is what he would work. But he would he would be at the plant and still managed to plant a garden.

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Still managed to have ball team, Little League ball team as a manager. And then he would even come home at night and work

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on TVs in this room. In time. How you learn to become an electrician. Pop. I've got motion. Work Griffin, nice.

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Tall, it didn't work out. They all want to say. And he worked during that period you are working

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where at the railroad? On the railroad. He had during the war I worked on or error. And then you were doing these

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home studies at night? Yeah. He was a fireman. You were a fire me on railroad.

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I was a farmer hybrid during a war or pairing partner hour. But that's what this is saying, that he would work on TVs up until

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1011 o'clock at night and then go to work. So he had he had the electrician part at the plant. But yet he had the, you know,

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your your radio and TV on the side. He was doing that, installing antennas and stuff and then all of this other stuff going on.

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I figured who are busy man for war broke out in my folders, rubber there, barriers to work on different church.

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And then he was he also he was telling me that he had the responsibility of not only firing the ovens up,

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but the boost nine booth in ten booth had to be vowels. Tell Ryan about that variable or a fan or a bouncy sprayed would come out.

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They have their waterfowl. Friend or a bare wire had to shut down your lab partner move and tell Ryan size of the fans

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and where they were located? Overall longer of and how big were the big good size of this wall? Yeah.

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No. These are paint booths are these are paid visits. Yeah. And the failures of BAM and they're both terrible pain.

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And they have the waterfall farads and take out penetrator waterfowl gives a downdraft system.

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And then naturally you had your grates with the water underneath. And that would take the fumes and pushing down and yet and

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then it went outside in what's known as sludge pits. And the sludge bits would be cleaned every year. And that's a job.

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Nobody like him because he had like paint that was built up over a period of a year would be this thick and you'd have

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to physically take a shovel, a pick and go in here and pick it and throw it in buckets and then somebody would

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though it in wheelbarrows, men, hazard and hazardous material containers. Homebound, probably evasive

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man. Power of Asia. But you've worked air from from what to what? You started there, what year you remember? I know you had 27.5.

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Yeah, that's running the plant started 27.5. You retired in what, 70? It had to be around 77 there. Maybe some around 77 or C.

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I'll run through a noir February and refer to the event before or after the fact. As I said before to this or O-R,

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their leverage for the tag cloud. Our curve here, then there are other work There. We are now a sparkler. Or the government.

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Our term over there. Before I went to your chi-square. What time some more about the plan as far as the time to test track.

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See, I was never around for the test track. Of what? The test track. Our test track. Oh, that's that's one.

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Weber's phased in that the timespan. And that all I had do is stay where they are. They tend to run around the track. They were failures when I'm out.

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That's how I hadn't dealers kicker. Yes. Murdered or on everywhere. But then they converted that track over into the automobiles aware guys,

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we asked collars on that track and that was where the new paint we call it the new paint shop is now located.

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That's where the test track used to be. I don't know if it was a half a mile oval. But a lot of guys tour lot of cars up because they were high performance cars

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to our net period for 26 homies or 40s it out Terrence are hot rod and lose control on the run, but over the bank and go

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back and tell the supervisor something happened to the vehicle and go get a car that was asked of the tags. I drove around but I didn't direct it.

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Boss. He was in back. I'm a heat pump may have been telling me what to do. I really enjoyed that

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there are some more things. Urea, you remember about the automobile plant went on our age. A lot of, uh, happened back and back.

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How about to get any provide you were a Union member, of course, yes. Oh, yeah. You're a Debbie. Let an 83 local right there.

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Okay. Yeah. I never had in our problem. How is the relationship with the management and the union? Do you remember? Oh yeah.

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How did you having our problem now? Now he's our practice by myself, absolutely worth in one job, two or three jobs. I've had no problem.

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How about the crew? How about the rest of the men? Did they get along with the anion pretty good.

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That problem. You remember some of the problems. Different value. Disagree and agree and disagree.

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You remember what it was over? Or was it pay, was it work conditions, was safety conditions at

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runtime and wives, they had that. Our fans and marriage so hot. And different location. And re-run our ordinary add change over R3,

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which TO their fans keep Hoover. There's a big floor pans and they are favored back in the, when I started here back in 71.

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If you had a floor fan, you were very fortunate is to get some air circulation. And so that's what

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he was talking about with the fan. I was lucky though, the changeover and they're wild or Harmon had to go down and do a lot of work on

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that because I didn't have to go down. I had already fans and their ovens take care. So I got away from that lava word. And then during his period

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to write individual traits, you add your IRA, no rights. Do you add your electricians, your pipe fitters, carpenters.

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And there was no inter mingling of traits. Not like today or when I, when I left there, they were having to wear an electrician could do

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some middle right butt work or didn't do some like that or work toward back in his day. That was a no-no. A reset our trade.

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If a bulb went out, nobody change that bulb. Accept him. I electrician have Bay. All the way up to

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Rembrandt's love electrician room to draw up there. There's just Kronecker murder. So the older father or

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may come, come over maize. Would you pray you go up and this event that a fan primary asset is afraid of heights.

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He says that they grew up there. I might have this connected for him and then where you would you rather, they have paid for granted that they

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know some of the failure of lectures you're going to go up. But that didn't get through. Yeah. How about a guy that was up on high?

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They are. We are already getting down. Oh, that was a saying that the average disconnect and they have

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a tie in power has gone up to this current best collective failure. And he got upon the high bay or

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the crane drawn and froze. Got the deal. I couldn't get into English. So they come over, come up,

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we've got May I says I hadn't yet even. He says Come on over then. Come down come down a ladder. I have for you is that when I paired

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come up that says rally and their dad, he would interrelation. I say did you do what I tell you that allowed that to them.

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So I told him I said is our log salary heritage arm. I said break leash that a break loose acids, they'll look down.

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We added bows far from here to go to the wall over there. Hey, vision back I'm in, I have running laterally modes,

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are there, click there, then I got him over to the ladder. So I went back on this side as a comment here to

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the ladder ladder lineage. Okay. Then he can could go down. So he had him No, I went down first,

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second as a way of words. As you're getting more battery went all the way down. He says, I will ever go up again.

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Oh, you got it. There was no safety precautions or anything for high, there was no harness or anything.

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So you're just you're just standing up there. Now at the camera. Actually got a 100 or a lottery. No problem. No problem.

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And well, Brian's rides asking you didn't have safety straps or anything like that. I'm sorry for that. Okay. Didn't have

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nothing to her her contours. But that was America rather than down. As you remember. That then, remember, you've

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got a lot of people that way though. A lot of people won't like it. But some of the pranks you used to do on the guys,

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the jokes you used to play on a surprising and get a lot of individuals in fights know, well where you had one conductor.

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And good luck. You know, in the plant. Our plant, yes. I told a version that they can end the five.

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All right. We got to deal with that. Yeah. Uploaded to the joke. He was already colored Chen gander. When they are taking their polio primes.

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Types have these big tidewater behavior to Dan. He was taking water out during this time. So mean that the electrician

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who's up in this day will cut wire that second box down. We put little pieces of the wildlife that Java will lose above in the data every day.

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And he didn't say Yes. We take it into little pieces that are wired, hit the hay can offer you a dollar out. Nevertheless, over there,

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another worker, his murder. Their waiver daily. Looked all around the look over to the dough. The Hagrid who you are is Dr. marker.

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Then we gave it will normally encounter the earth ever did. Or it's a state Baghdad Meg trend to longer Lee could say yes.

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We want to allow your box to indicate it's able to he would have found out he was still on the line or adding

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IV would have been in trouble. He lives down there and then rented tell it without on our line. The ovens. I got on top of them.

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And this gentleman down along that ray versus white car drove a big seller here. Now the February recovery day care. I didn't care too much for gate.

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I got a Pollyanna and I got him little moat that I've gotten back with the band than hitting the rectangle around

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and have them happen. If you go back, you weren't good though. So there's a big deliver LOS was handy.

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So I gave him one molar. They took that bugging the five-gallon bucket of water and not Brando? He was a troublemaker, right?

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Yeah. Instigator. Now, our data there that fast. Poverty can always use that as the electricians,

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the boss come in to where the operator or evaporate love lines. Hi, It's Coda. And he would tell a reward, right? Sorry. I got I got some stuff on each other.

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After bet. That's one like Trojan, habla, lower bottle of perfume and and saw the electrician who bought adage coat.

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He felt that perfume law, that mislead misleading lawsuits curve at Mars written right of that code. If you have anymore questions for everyday.

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Low price. Yeah. Did on the management carrier that you're playing around or was it just you got away

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with it because they didn't say yeah. They said no more perfume. Just know perfume and the plant. Cargo and February.

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Yeah, we used to have a lover. Here's something and rising cost of living. The pace down back in the seventies early. So you can find what he had in a date on

00:36:16.460 - 00:36:37.670

it is 3 3 to 75, 75, and this one is 32, 75. So that's just saying, Hey, theory. So we're looking at this as a regular paste.

00:36:37.670 - 00:36:43.910

I'll move in and this is the cost of living allowance that they would get separately. Like a bonus? Yes.

00:36:43.910 - 00:36:56.030

Did everybody get a cost of living or Rosa just because you were an electrician or cost to revenue. That's after you laid out for him that

00:36:56.030 - 00:37:05.640

supplement got from Amazon unemployment? Yeah. Everybody got a cost of living. The app during that period. Just depends on the profits.

00:37:05.640 - 00:37:16.850

And that's something that was always negotiate 3D any hearing and NADH are over. Did you deal with a union a lot?

00:37:17.370 - 00:37:26.170

Did you deal with the union very much or no? No. Did you have any complaints to where you had to call the shop steward

00:37:26.170 - 00:37:37.210

or Committee man knew they were going to go to the union president. There did having a lot of worker donated data though.

00:37:37.210 - 00:37:49.430

They had problems, were the main complaints where I've probably had an alert climb. Our overall I'm March

00:37:49.430 - 00:37:59.300

during his his peri doing then, comparative minds a little bit different. You know, they were more straight laced as far as you know,

00:37:59.300 - 00:38:07.990

you get more upright, proud baby where you're coming to work. They wouldn't miss much time as far as they need a job.

00:38:07.990 - 00:38:21.740

And it was a decent paying job. So this is the little car, the corpulent. That's Greg. Straight from the corporation.

00:38:25.740 - 00:38:45.490

I got software and she said, Where are you friends with a lot of people you worked with. Was it a Chrysler community

00:38:45.490 - 00:38:56.190

or did you not see people afterward? Valet complain? I would have would be with the boss. The boss.

00:38:56.190 - 00:39:03.820

Whoa. Okay. But your friends in order to bounce and go, how about your friends at work first?

00:39:03.820 - 00:39:11.830

Friend or work with? Yes. Did you evil with them? Correct. Some of the guy, yeah. What else What else did you do?

00:39:11.830 - 00:39:28.120

Outside activities? That's about a have AdWords in Berlin, the territory legs, and that's management. Any incorrect amount of red arrow?

00:39:28.120 - 00:39:43.890

I have one problem for him. He wanted to prep my work. I know what I have them so much. Next day I come in.

00:39:43.890 - 00:39:56.260

They said I want you to visit this tablet and a pencil. I want you to put down advertising, you do that.

00:39:56.260 - 00:40:11.020

I thought that was a pretty, pretty big gear down. That sideshow. Dylan. Track them in. Next more new government tablet and pencil.

00:40:11.020 - 00:40:25.400

Allows front to that on the table. Start right, and mangrove virtual for me or for a call didn't go. And that's how they

00:40:25.400 - 00:40:33.680

would call the electricians. Like eat his call maybe to wish I had 22 also blow. And that means Okay, I need you Jim,

00:40:33.680 - 00:40:44.390

appear to take care of a problem that's going on on the floor. So this job that I had to do, manager, boss,

00:40:44.390 - 00:40:59.840

come around my circle about violin, Mau, Mau. Stop. He says The new here and I've also says Yeah. I says I got a 0 with paperwork did there.

00:40:59.840 - 00:41:14.630

He said survivor way, I'm good. I feel that at the other primary or arrowhead ribbon bars. And who was that? Donald J there.

00:41:15.300 - 00:41:25.030

Do you remember some of your own, your bosses? Some of your earlier boluses, Lara McCormick, they're either

00:41:25.030 - 00:41:31.770

never had our graph from rover. Did was he wanted your boluses of Ben McCormick? Yeah.

00:41:31.770 - 00:41:38.870

And what was he? Harder odors, demo foreigner. Okay. Kind of pedigree had

00:41:39.030 - 00:41:51.050

had one tooth two browsers. But to change easily was your Ryan was your Superintendent, your general form, and then you

00:41:51.050 - 00:42:00.480

had your your form. And so that was sort of the chain of command there? When I when I first started there.

00:42:00.760 - 00:42:17.780

Yeah. That's allow a bat. I'm going back. You said you taught

00:42:17.780 - 00:42:29.040

yourself to be an electrician. You learned here by reading. You were self-taught electrician? Reading books or I got my own.

00:42:29.160 - 00:42:36.720

Now, was that a program that you could buy? Yeah. That you sent away for learned yeah. Home or home threat above

00:42:36.720 - 00:42:46.690

gang sterile Gautama. Did they train you at all when you got to the factory to Jeff any training for those? The furnace or the fans are but I

00:42:46.690 - 00:43:02.270

think I had that. I had to stay with a powder that they gave me information I wanted. So robbins.

00:43:02.270 - 00:43:07.600

Okay. How did you get accredited where you adjourning electrician, a journeyman.

00:43:07.600 - 00:43:14.930

Did you actually go through those steps are back then you didn't have to As you said, to prove that you are You

00:43:14.930 - 00:43:25.720

knew what you were saying? I was I was arrested him and the man come in and he taught me everything I needed to keep enjoyed.

00:43:25.720 - 00:43:38.930

And what we're draw alone. They wouldn't give what's going on. Just a burner and a density with or death. Now, when you could complete

00:43:38.930 - 00:43:48.900

the program here at home, did they give you a certificate? It you'd have to take a test or melt. Now, you remember where the program was from?

00:43:49.330 - 00:44:02.110

Our program manager to run our first foramen lecture. Yes. You remember where it was from? I got some of a book here.

00:44:02.110 - 00:44:15.750

Okay. We'll get you to look one up and show Rhine River. Howard are ordered from Chicago.

00:44:17.770 - 00:44:23.840

Yes. It's not like today, I guess r9 back then, you know, you have to be a during them for so many years

00:44:23.840 - 00:44:32.330

before you moved on until master electrician. And like you said for him just asking one question, how to wire that one motor

00:44:32.330 - 00:44:44.450

up and to say, when can you start? That's that's pretty wild. For an interview, for a job interview. Rage RV and time time about Ray.

00:44:44.450 - 00:44:52.680

Ray was instrumental in getting a job over here, New York plant, right? Yeah. He created

00:44:52.680 - 00:45:06.710

fired further and further caves. Good friend live down here and he told Papi said, Christ, you're hiring electricians, you should go

00:45:06.710 - 00:45:24.640

apply and take the test. Yeah. Yeah. I took Burke's spirit, got Berg, work and effort and time.

00:45:24.640 - 00:45:36.620

And in to talk about that a little bit too. Later on down the road, when the new electricians would come in, the younger guys, he said lie them

00:45:36.620 - 00:45:44.180

were great when it was the both work. But hands-on, they were lost. What was going on? That's what he found out.

00:45:44.180 - 00:46:05.810

Well, I do wire houses to remember. But tell me about a young electrician telling in our hybrid plant. If a was for beggars and my line of work,

00:46:05.810 - 00:46:15.650

I had to teach him about it. He had guys that would work on a nice, healthy even though he wasn't a Master or what's known as

00:46:15.650 - 00:46:25.640

a master electrician and still train underneath the hand boss. Boss. Boss or your manager says, I want you to teach systematic

00:46:25.640 - 00:46:34.220

advertiser about the ovens or work about or PAO boxes or whatever it would be. Change in others. Because you're

00:46:34.220 - 00:46:45.680

dealing with high voltage for forward. You can't make mistake theory. You don't talk about it anymore. Which at one time, telling about the onetime

00:46:45.680 - 00:47:03.290

you you will deal with that. For 49. I had this one like tissue in their hybrid where thinking to the paddle. He had a screwdriver.

00:47:03.290 - 00:47:19.310

You're going in there may enter our very rent out your driver on our flesh. I couldn't see for about five minutes after almost like a welder slash.

00:47:19.310 - 00:47:31.340

But that's one mistake they made it they make in their hand for part a. Did anybody ever get hurt? Thou didst bond you for somebody to stack

00:47:31.340 - 00:47:49.250

and added to average a fellow man or she or he was careful after that there. We had to take take range

00:47:49.250 - 00:48:00.830

on how different play too. And had to go upstairs to the big transformers and entertained and take

00:48:00.830 - 00:48:15.150

them out, power off on, automatically go back in at, in their life towards the road, they had a multiplier,

00:48:16.660 - 00:48:35.270

had the big delaying planned for Zara or launch either bear. When we were just working on my line 1, 0 one of them weekends or big chain but

00:48:35.270 - 00:48:54.780

around one of the lines for protection. In case, you know, you got a surge. That would say if you'd work and down the transformer that for

00:48:54.780 - 00:49:03.810

tax year, I don't know where they do. That's a day and I probably got different time today. Okay.

00:49:03.810 - 00:49:13.620

So so back then when you were working on say, a 440 note renew, we're taking it out. Did you have any safety precautions where nobody could turn at

00:49:13.620 - 00:49:20.780

motor on why you were Oh, yeah. I had locked you can block them off. Okay. I have to touch.

00:49:20.780 - 00:49:30.250

And how many keys were to that lot? Did you have the only key? Now, all electricians island dwarfed electrician,

00:49:30.250 - 00:49:38.570

but worthy all the same or has a separate lock and key that only you could opening close to like tuition.

00:49:38.570 - 00:49:53.720

Okay. I got I got from here. There has got a yeah. A lot going on. I'm back. In fact, I got to tell you today

00:49:53.720 - 00:50:04.700

about an e-commerce or year to climb. Whoa. Okay. I didn't have commanded them and

00:50:04.700 - 00:50:15.200

background where we had said that they were able to cover. Now about your tools, who was responsible for the tools?

00:50:15.200 - 00:50:23.220

Did you have to buy your own tools and the anti company supply they supply when they refer to and then voted tester.

00:50:23.220 - 00:50:37.070

Then they had to do you could borrow for them. They're in, right? Yeah. Safety issues. Steel toes,

00:50:37.070 - 00:50:50.370

did you have to wear steel toes are now now, not back then. Well, let's see, back in arhats backend when they had the plan.

00:50:50.650 - 00:51:14.690

We had to do, we had to cover different. I can never remember what type of wealth now. But they will marvel,

00:51:14.690 - 00:51:28.040

subform debate in time plan. Almost like breast. So wouldn't create sparks. I made it out of some kind of

00:51:28.040 - 00:51:42.960

fiber stuff really hard. Okay. Different area you can take in my work and I don't like to advertise keep moisture out of four.

00:51:47.140 - 00:52:05.280

Yeah. I guess that's about all I tell you. Or against some more questions, Ryan, you even asking?

00:52:06.340 - 00:52:19.030

Sure. They said up on high bay, you you helped an Italian guy down? Yes. You helped to attain guy down?

00:52:19.030 - 00:52:32.990

Yeah. Because he froze up there. Yeah. We're there was mainly just where there wasn't

00:52:32.990 - 00:52:40.100

a very diverse group of people work in there or was it? Yeah. And more and more. Mirage worker right.

00:52:40.100 - 00:52:47.450

Now he's talking about ethnic groups. Are there other were there lots of different ethnic groups there or was it just Mexicans?

00:52:47.450 - 00:52:57.170

Now? Yes. To just the maintenance? Mainly in the guys up everything but he wouldn't he

00:52:57.170 - 00:53:06.140

wouldn't let them touch him. Did you have any colored people working with you during that period? No colored paper then.

00:53:06.140 - 00:53:14.540

Okay. So it was mostly whites and autonomy to tie him. Okay.

00:53:14.540 - 00:53:28.980

No Spanish. Now, I've referred you to and spanish. Asian. But that's rather than one value.

00:53:30.370 - 00:53:45.080

I've done that before with somebody. They also live at our house to the test while then one that you could

00:53:45.080 - 00:53:59.330

do to say the land Life magazine. But I want to do sure. Either getting did you do What do you you never know what he did.

00:53:59.330 - 00:54:13.800

He you less than a man live right here. You've got a damn Oh, never hour down their work and will now move at all.

00:54:13.800 - 00:54:28.160

Plants or plant. I had this folder or work directly. Learn may electrician, he wanted to climb a poll.

00:54:28.320 - 00:54:40.720

Triad and safety developed. And commerce were not. Everyone may have eaten lunch. He says Allan Poe.

00:54:40.720 - 00:54:57.260

I get alone. He get safely develop, Hey, Kylie, Hey, got that. Five-foot. He looked down. That was it.

00:54:57.260 - 00:55:15.070

He said, hamburger, we get that. The hard way. Gets you out of Nepal. Came out slide hockey season.

00:55:15.070 - 00:55:32.180

And our rhyme scheme ensures that the spike then jumps of wood out, chug through an hour. That way I did it down.

00:55:35.130 - 00:55:51.090

That decided by the bat are about. After Parker dive errors for full force and those and also Ryan is during his period.

00:55:51.090 - 00:56:04.660

And really the start of my wife's are working at plant robotics. Very few robotics, if not, everything was just hand done a lot

00:56:04.660 - 00:56:22.970

with a picture I go I don't know. I'd have to say we'll talk about mean in a minute here. Yeah.

00:56:24.270 - 00:56:37.400

Where do you put it in 27 and-a-half years. And at the very end, the e sat down and we had talked about it. And it on a regular 40 hour week.

00:56:37.500 - 00:56:47.080

He figured out how much money you save as making if he would retire. Was his pension all what do you we'd be making?

00:56:47.080 - 00:56:57.270

And the difference was like $20 through. So he was like, Why he asked him. I said, is it worth you going to work for 20 hours a week though?

00:56:57.270 - 00:57:03.950

When you figure gas, your time and your lunch, and everything else, maintenance on the car and whatever.

00:57:03.950 - 00:57:11.780

And he said No, say he decided to go ahead and retire. And then it was like a $20 difference. The risk of straight 40 hour week.

00:57:11.780 - 00:57:19.670

Really good pension plans pay me reward him. Now, naturally, if, you know, if you work Saturday, you have your time and half.

00:57:19.670 - 00:57:27.110

Sunday's he worked line would be the double time and then holidays will be triple time. So that's where they would really

00:57:27.110 - 00:57:38.250

make the money straight 40 hours, pretty close to three, like tertiary it around clothed. He's run them know, are

00:57:41.470 - 00:58:01.850

run down river in Java. All right. Approach to paste them and three vectors unit after that vector of some value.

00:58:04.170 - 00:58:13.750

But they have one electrician Rhein was what was known as the zone master. And what did he what he was in Georgia of like said,

00:58:13.750 - 00:58:21.370

if there's problems throughout the plant, they need electrician, they would call the zone and he would write down what the problem

00:58:21.370 - 00:58:31.000

was and then he would assign different electricians to different problems. And but the zone master also was in charge of starting

00:58:31.000 - 00:58:40.900

and stopping all the lines. So he had all these panels that he had to deal with. And so it was a lot of responsibility.

00:58:40.900 - 00:58:51.160

And what he, what he was one of the best ones there when he was just a great Zheng guy. He was in touch with everything. But if you could

00:58:51.160 - 00:58:59.110

get yourself in trouble where you get somebody else in trouble real quick for you getting somebody hurt. If that zone master wasn't into with what

00:58:59.110 - 00:59:06.910

was happening on the floor because he's just in a building. And phones and all these different buttons, it, lights and everything.

00:59:06.910 - 00:59:12.820

And he's got a key off of what's happening here. And then he's gotta get in touch with the foreman or soup or

00:59:12.820 - 00:59:22.190

general formula for to say, Okay, happening here. Shall I go ahead and reset the reset the other reset the motor.

00:59:22.190 - 00:59:29.120

Because if he if he reset it and corps were piled up and motor is going to drive them

00:59:29.120 - 00:59:37.370

together even more accurate. So they would have to call and if any of the livestock or started or absolutely. And what what would happened

00:59:37.370 - 00:59:45.290

was your breakers would break. They would trip out if it was a jam up, say an oven. And I used to happen a

00:59:45.290 - 00:59:56.750

lot in the bond rate of unnamed, your nine booth, you're ten booth. And your final final woman. The colors would come on KOG From line.

00:59:56.750 - 01:00:03.250

Wow. As workers, we would be there and we would hear a mover or buying going on so

01:00:03.250 - 01:00:10.940

we knew exactly what was happening. So we we were told do you if you've heard somebody I gotta go shut the line off.

01:00:10.940 - 01:00:17.620

They had line stops, which that's one thing they didn't like or a want production stock. But in that case, it was

01:00:17.620 - 01:00:22.870

okay to shut the Lidl. Then you would call a mill, right? Mill, right. We would go they would have

01:00:22.870 - 01:00:31.720

to walk in the ovens and investigate what's going on or where the noise was. If they would find it was it was the derail,

01:00:31.720 - 01:00:38.890

they would have to put actually put it back onto the COG and get everything squared away or cut to car out,

01:00:38.890 - 01:00:48.180

depending on how severe the follow-up was. Saturated zone master. If if he heard something like that, he couldn't go retrieve it,

01:00:48.180 - 01:00:58.710

reset the breaker, and then start the line again because he may jam two or three more cars into the first car that was the rail.

01:00:58.840 - 01:01:08.300

I say them push them out to Zara. Has him in what he's saying. I was like I said, when I first started arrow,

01:01:08.300 - 01:01:15.200

I knew all the electrician, So my breaks, I would take them and go into the zone. And this one day John girl,

01:01:15.200 - 01:01:25.580

this one that the paper thing in the oven. He was running design because what do you what he was on vacation. We were sitting in it was right outside of

01:01:25.580 - 01:01:35.700

the zone of nine booth of it was running and he had an upgrade like this in level down and then dropped back down.

01:01:35.700 - 01:01:47.240

Well, we heard this noise and the breaker shuttle okay. Clicked. Say you went out and he went out the door and he just looked

01:01:47.240 - 01:02:02.540

around a little bit, didn't see anything. So pops it, he must have a reset, the reset that live. I started back up again.

01:02:02.540 - 01:02:15.490

He reset it but then it kicked out again. Well, the third time he must have blocked. The next thing we know, we hear that, boom, boom, boom.

01:02:15.490 - 01:02:23.300

I run outside the zone and look at everybody's looking up. It pushed a car, the front fenders, we're sticking

01:02:23.300 - 01:02:31.780

out the top of it. So push the roof via Ovid open. Yeah. They were palling up

01:02:31.780 - 01:02:39.170

and they just gradually took the three cores and just the first one was gone through the roof. If he if it wouldn't have kicked out,

01:02:39.170 - 01:02:47.250

it will push the current through the top the oven. Maasai boss says how many times it or its head.

01:02:47.250 - 01:02:55.210

So his foreman came in and he was high affinity site. I know you had to hear what was going on, John.

01:02:55.210 - 01:03:05.480

I know you've blocked at Reed layout. Tory, I kept the long run in jobs like what you're talking about. They did those areas

01:03:05.480 - 01:03:12.530

inside of it now because eg, if I remember that. Yeah. Because he's he's bypassing the safety feature on that panel box.

01:03:12.530 - 01:03:18.600

But that's some of the things that would happen. So do they decided they didn't know that That's it.

01:03:18.600 - 01:03:26.770

Said that he never got to write up or anything like that. No disciplined disciplinary action was taken against him.

01:03:26.770 - 01:03:35.760

But he could really hurt somebody. Yeah. That's the that's the key. That's why you had a safety breakers in every angle, of course.

01:03:36.040 - 01:03:42.020

Yeah. Did they start putting a lot more safety features as you want or was

01:03:42.020 - 01:03:53.580

it from the time I started until the time i 5 retired, yes. And I guess during his period to nothing. That's a tom retired that butt down.

01:03:53.580 - 01:04:10.460

But when I started there, Arabic thing was the heap. I've got that picture of that. But done, like I said,

01:04:10.460 - 01:04:18.830

my experiences were a little bit different than what his word or because I was a line work compared to He was in maintenance. There.

01:04:18.830 - 01:04:25.790

Was he ever considered do you say trade peoples ever considered a manager or per se? It was just it was

01:04:25.790 - 01:04:31.520

just an electrician and they were under one manager? That's correct. Yeah. That's where your superintendent

01:04:31.520 - 01:04:39.160

you're you're generally for me. And he was next in line. Right. But you sort of had your status. They're also right.

01:04:39.160 - 01:04:45.700

Guys knew certain electricians knew certain things just like he knew the ovens, the booth, and all that,

01:04:45.700 - 01:04:54.380

the inner workings of him because he was there when they install an overlap, right? He knew exactly how they work. So when a new guy came

01:04:54.380 - 01:05:03.260

in and wanted to learn it, they would put that individual with dad and dad would train. Now, I kind of asked him a little bit about

01:05:03.260 - 01:05:10.370

his training in the play. And he said he followed around people that installed? Yes.

01:05:10.370 - 01:05:17.420

All the ovens and everything. Do you know was it just like they came in one day and said This is what it is and there you go.

01:05:17.420 - 01:05:24.380

We're going to have a process with that or was it just a quick training? I mean, we've heard a lot of people that have said they came in.

01:05:24.380 - 01:05:32.160

They said this is how you do this job with it left there. Well, that's that's more more on your your line workers.

01:05:32.160 - 01:05:40.040

And I'll get into that a little bit, but sure. When when it comes to his trade or tech, as far as the technical word, whatever.

01:05:40.040 - 01:05:48.360

These are the guys who who designed the oven. Yeah. So his boss knew that he was the man for the job, so to speak.

01:05:48.360 - 01:05:58.820

So he had to know exactly how everything worked as far as mechanically and as far as electrically, how all the machinery work.

01:05:58.820 - 01:06:07.130

And that's that's how he got his training as far as for that alone. The other part for 40 motors, no land. He understood all that because it gives

01:06:07.130 - 01:06:17.930

self-taught through trial and error. He knew what to do and what not to do. But as far as someone coming in and working with

01:06:17.930 - 01:06:40.790

him and training him, get away. Ito. Yeah. So PQ I'm magazines were used at that because that's what I'm doing. And I live in a modern opera

01:06:40.790 - 01:06:53.380

operating agreement to Thursday Ryan. He never he never worked under that. Right. Back to them, whether that's a whole,

01:06:53.380 - 01:07:00.710

whole picture of the plant. This is thromboses. That's pq off the plant. That's from the Buddhist idea it as well.

01:07:00.710 - 01:07:09.200

So, yeah. If you want to, you can have which one will take you to Mars if the employee recognition See,

01:07:09.200 - 01:07:22.070

I was a teen coordinator during that period. If our MAOIs and they would publish these like every, every month, and we

01:07:22.070 - 01:07:33.130

hand them out to individuals. And a big, That's nor in the team concept. And it sort of follows along the same lines. I guess I, my wife was saying like

01:07:33.130 - 01:07:45.550

gore and which during that period, I think it was 80, maybe 86 or 87. R9 is one, N0 M0, M0. A story.

01:07:45.550 - 01:07:55.410

We had as union members, we voted down twice. And then finally the third time, yes. It was accepted.

01:07:55.410 - 01:08:00.660

But we were always told if this doesn't go through, there's not going to be a new arc assembly plant

01:08:00.660 - 01:08:05.690

will shut the plant down, we'll move the product somewhere else. So they kind of pushed occur. Absolutely.

01:08:05.690 - 01:08:16.140

Because like you said, twice we go down the third time it passed. That's what we always felt as union members would happen. Which it it was fine.

01:08:16.140 - 01:08:23.060

All right. We did it quite well after I finally got through. I mean,

01:08:23.060 - 01:08:29.420

it's obviously a little hesitation there. Well, with what you have is your broke up into teams them to wear before

01:08:29.420 - 01:08:38.790

he gives more individuals. And so it was a lot different compared to what we were used to when I first started there.

01:08:42.700 - 01:08:53.770

As far as the plant when I first started air, I started before even graduate from high school. I started May 5th, 71.

01:08:53.770 - 01:08:58.870

How did you start? There was a father they go to the job or did you know you can do there is they were

01:08:58.870 - 01:09:11.070

hiring it to time and it was a big hiring process as far as numbers. And yes, he had some pool. He knew some people in lot of people say,

01:09:12.490 - 01:09:20.510

I guide on my own. But if you knew somebody who had a better chance your name would go up on the less loop and it was 300.

01:09:20.510 - 01:09:34.830

And I think our hiring numbers during that year in 71 was 376 P. And green radar High School. And I'm going into a workforce that's season.

01:09:34.830 - 01:09:42.070

So you know what they do to young guys as far as coming in really hard on yourself while they just,

01:09:42.070 - 01:09:51.930

they like to play jokes on eating and tricks and different things to remember. It is the main, the main issues were

01:09:51.930 - 01:10:07.690

just the mental games they would play with you. Right. And as far as they would tell you to go get

01:10:07.690 - 01:10:21.240

lucky on that one, the one thing was something about him, a muffler bearing. Okay. Here's this new guy, right?

01:10:21.240 - 01:10:28.340

We need a muffler bearings, so go down and so, so, and you know, go get a muffler bearing force. So you go down to the Caribbean,

01:10:28.340 - 01:10:35.850

you tell the curb guy, I need a muffler bearing for this car. And you guys look at me like, What are you talking about? Muffler Barry.

01:10:35.850 - 01:10:44.970

There's no such thing as a muffler bury. Those guys are massively. So then during like Thanksgiving, David's David tell us,

01:10:44.970 - 01:10:52.270

okay, noon, new hires, you're eligible to go get a free turkey. So you need to go up front to the cafeteria tongue.

01:10:52.270 - 01:10:59.990

You know, you need a free turkey. You're coming year for your free turkey. So you do stuff like that and they're like, What are you talking about?

01:10:59.990 - 01:11:11.320

He had just stuff like that with a First Amendment will actually lose track of it. So this is part of how you

01:11:11.320 - 01:11:26.570

learned to have started in luxury. And this was a whole kit that you ordered? Yeah. 12 volumes? Yeah.

01:11:30.840 - 01:11:42.360

My mom would tell me I'm Ryan and every night he would take x amount of time and sit, study Harvard Bertram TV and never again.

01:11:42.360 - 01:11:55.600

We're now into the vague. Do you remember when you bought this? I know it says there's just a little for days.

01:11:55.600 - 01:12:04.450

It says 29, 30, and 40 out of vagaries. Wow. Sometimes. What year what year did you buy

01:12:04.450 - 01:12:16.390

the books you remember was in forties. You remember had to beat back and before as thorough as is not the batteries. See the 40s. During the war.

01:12:16.390 - 01:12:47.990

Are we ready for this? As the we didn't know are going to become aware of. It had to be in the late 30s or afford it.

01:12:48.330 - 01:13:03.130

Was during the railroad railroad time when you've worked on the railroad now? Okay. Is prior to that or after that? I don't think average there are my data

01:13:03.130 - 01:13:18.570

and then that's the theory. We're at an hour of TV, that bad crowd. Okay. So probably in the 40s fabric. Okay. Some somewhere in the forties.

01:13:19.990 - 01:13:26.910

Or you because IRS your family local to the kind of New York or wherever she's penetrated? Yes.

01:13:26.910 - 01:13:41.300

This area and or did you move in for local moved in for jobs. Okay. So I didn't know poplars bore you were born war may morn.

01:13:41.300 - 01:13:48.570

Inanna, the gas around. Why did you move from Indiana to Pittsburgh? Did you get a Pittsburgh? Yeah.

01:13:48.570 - 01:13:58.430

And what happened there? Back to rarer. Now, Virginia and Maryland. Virginia. And then back tomorrow.

01:13:58.430 - 01:14:05.920

A he was telling me Ryan using the Indiana and they had tornado came through man like one whole block out close to their home.

01:14:05.920 - 01:14:16.220

And his mother said that's it, we're moving. So they moved to Pittsburgh and then back to redundant, narrower. And then nothing was

01:14:16.220 - 01:14:23.480

going on down in Virginia as far as work or work that his father came up here and he started working at what,

01:14:23.480 - 01:14:31.050

the elf Mills textile mill. Next hour day or per hour than there. But Graham popped it. Yeah.

01:14:31.050 - 01:14:39.260

He was the first one to come up, correct. Credit from down south. And after you left everybody down there until he got established,

01:14:39.260 - 01:14:50.640

our Java pair are even and then they moved our family from Virginia and Maryland and then about an hour

01:14:50.640 - 01:15:01.440

rooted in London. Marathon. And Ryan, are you familiar with this, with the Beverly Hillbillies? When they move telling about

01:15:01.440 - 01:15:09.210

coming up here from down south. About vowel okay. Truck. Yeah.

01:15:09.340 - 01:15:22.450

Male. Now that they have now a foreign interior and the bed back down the back, I've modeled a yeah.

01:15:22.450 - 01:15:35.760

And I see my brother. How are you doing? Oh, this Hamline and I drove up for piano. How know what? Always nose.

01:15:35.760 - 01:15:43.680

During that period, he said The Hound Dog, guitar, aggravated data that I didn't have room for it. No.

01:15:43.680 - 01:16:00.890

We moved then we moved into Street new art hazards. There are tons of them back and so

01:16:00.890 - 01:16:14.060

then then you moved over down bills. Now we move to appear to turn it down. Okay. Then back over here,

01:16:14.060 - 01:16:33.660

do Melbourne owned a house or a river? The jewel out and then remove to do DuPont pledged. Okay.

01:16:34.110 - 01:16:51.380

And then where else? Do I got married at fair value? Fair. I have Jane and Gilbert about their suppliers. Okay.

01:16:51.380 - 01:16:59.530

He took place rhyme for 5 thousand hours. When was that? What year was that you bought just place for Mr. Mitchell,

01:16:59.530 - 01:17:09.460

fifths in the 50s. Wow. And Mr. Melbourne pointed to place. He offered Mr. Mitchell $3 thousand. Dad said Mr. Mitchell got

01:17:09.460 - 01:17:17.310

some Mahan adding fused to sell it to. Dad, told him said I don't have any monies as far as down-payment or anything.

01:17:17.310 - 01:17:25.860

And he said, I came, the bank wouldn't giving Maloney for Laplace and they had no indoor plumbing then that unloaded.

01:17:27.070 - 01:17:38.600

So Mr. Mitchell said, just for spite because of Mr. Melbourne, he said, I'll hold the mortgage for you. You can make payments directly to me.

01:17:38.600 - 01:17:47.520

And that's how you end up with place. That's how I got there. And then he also, they had he said URL in New York helped them wrote,

01:17:47.520 - 01:17:56.630

would be familiar with the DuPont, the big white farm house there on left hand side as you're going into the

01:17:56.630 - 01:18:12.250

American Credit Union is. On New York after that? Yes. It's the DuPont I guess. Each research plant their

01:18:12.250 - 01:18:20.860

own left-hand side festival? Yeah, I think that it was I would tell him he had a chance to buy that whole place

01:18:20.860 - 01:18:35.710

for like 5 thousand bucks. I had terrorists edited air furnaces furnace, a very good article about for 6 thousand. But it'll get you much today.

01:18:35.710 - 01:18:46.040

He said When mom when he bought displacement, mom sat and cried. Is there when he had his wife or his envelope

01:18:46.040 - 01:19:00.020

and she couldn't get out of bed. He weren't gland and milk plant. And I got with him, worked with him and

01:19:00.020 - 01:19:10.760

helped may bind this play here. This was the deluxe him because he had to see Round House. I had I had a chance to

01:19:10.760 - 01:19:21.950

buy that went down there to bridge. That plays 36 acreage for text. This is where you go. This used to be the farm

01:19:21.950 - 01:19:36.340

pledged for all lists. And there, remember Ebola off of it. They will Mayan, Hey Bo for and I got to rest started.

01:19:36.340 - 01:19:43.110

I'll show you something is very interesting about this house. Before you leave. You'll get a kick out of it.

01:19:43.210 - 01:19:52.360

They while first shot. Now, yeah, because dad splits all Melbourne zones, everything around him except this to a

01:19:52.360 - 01:20:08.470

real I could probably sell it for a good price. So that's his ally from Indiana. Take your middle value. Times.

01:20:08.470 - 01:20:24.970

You said it down, slow you down, but your brothers and sisters? And my brothers and sisters,

01:20:24.970 - 01:20:47.740

did you have a lab nervous. Whether the two girls seven boys interior is 2 overs gown. However, the actual Did

01:20:47.740 - 01:20:59.170

any of them work with you? Or are they stay local or why they? My brother, hey, youth and gain. Why did he worked and he

01:20:59.170 - 01:21:06.300

worked at textile plant data, you know, mills and then he went to school board, worked as a janitor. Well retired Alpha gene,

01:21:06.300 - 01:21:16.480

he retired from the rail car. A rarity assembly plant, different division error. But once it transported colors,

01:21:16.480 - 01:21:28.270

but he worked with plasma or different company to recover? Yes. It wasn't Chrysler, right? Howard card out there

01:21:28.270 - 01:21:40.480

than it is in Uncle Bobby as a package goods store with brown here locally. And then he has to brother

01:21:40.480 - 01:21:47.300

malls have worked over the planet. Two, they were both formats for that. One was general form and the other was forming.

01:21:47.300 - 01:21:53.260

So if you if you'd like their names, I could give you their names. It's true. I mean, then you could see

01:21:53.260 - 01:22:04.740

the management side of it. Definitely. Did any of them. One of them, your managers or gas molecule us out of our stressful yeah.

01:22:04.740 - 01:22:14.780

Because especially when it would there will come times when IT would come down. And one add War. I was a quick worker with my hands.

01:22:14.780 - 01:22:21.340

And you'd have another individual that may not be as quick. But then they had they would have to designate to work to

01:22:21.340 - 01:22:29.870

go somewhere on the line. So he'd point the finger at night in New York. So I knew I was going to get more work. Yeah.

01:22:29.870 - 01:22:37.150

Now, when you said you were to look at what exactly did you do? Defending first started there I was what's known as a

01:22:37.150 - 01:22:47.890

young when you first started there, you are known as 90-day wonders. I don't know if you've ever heard that term. And they wondered if you were

01:22:47.890 - 01:22:55.890

don't make it for the 90 days. That was the key. Thank them. Because during that 90 days, those guys, if they lasted,

01:22:55.890 - 01:23:05.420

they've pretty well stay on. But 90 days would tell the most the time the foreman or the other workers,

01:23:05.420 - 01:23:16.190

whether you grow and make it or not. So because guys who quit before the 90 day without eating getchar any court until you got that 91st day.

01:23:16.190 - 01:23:27.740

So you didn't little missing time. Which during that period, if during like I said, before I graduate, my senior prom was up 18,

01:23:27.740 - 01:23:39.550

go to my senior prom because of the work night shift. But I was afraid of missing time in fear of getting fired or so on.

01:23:39.550 - 01:23:51.120

The period during that, you always got the dirtiest jobs because you are a new guy. Right here. I was

01:23:51.120 - 01:24:01.960

115£20 at the most, out of school. And you reuse most of time you are what's known as a poor man. He really didn't have assigned job.

01:24:01.960 - 01:24:12.380

You floated around in some individuals would miss in your area. You had areas and you would take their job. And who was responsible for

01:24:12.380 - 01:24:20.840

training you on that job? Most the time when an individual is out was the relief man. But if every if all the crew came in,

01:24:20.840 - 01:24:29.590

then forming could take you and put you on the individual's jobs to get you trained on those jobs for with the original operator,

01:24:29.590 - 01:24:39.170

which was the best because that's the guys know all the shortcuts and can do the job the best and most efficient with the least amount of time.

01:24:39.170 - 01:24:45.820

That's where you got your training is in Washington. But most the time you're talking about your your relief men.

01:24:45.820 - 01:24:54.440

Okay. You're cutting into their time now. You have to remember, right? They have seven guys. They need relief twice a day.

01:24:54.440 - 01:25:04.290

So the first 30 minutes is what's knows their time. They want you to learn a job within 30 events.

01:25:04.290 - 01:25:13.070

So that's all about just that's it. And then then you're in trouble. If you don't know the job. And the reason being is then you have

01:25:13.070 - 01:25:18.790

the repairmen Downey and align picking up your work that you're missing. So he's mad at you, right?

01:25:18.790 - 01:25:26.180

Then you got your form and saying what's going on here. So you had you had to pick the job up pretty quick or you get

01:25:26.180 - 01:25:36.410

a lot of flack from management and your co-workers and your unit by that point now. And during that period done,

01:25:36.410 - 01:25:45.950

it was naturally May. So I'm talking May, June, July, hot months time and in the paint department,

01:25:45.950 - 01:25:53.030

that's where I started. But first 15 years and paint shop, we were what's known as the bond or right oven.

01:25:53.030 - 01:26:03.210

And your pain ovens. And then you had a sewer line ran in-between the two ovens so the temperatures could get anywhere between a 100 and 520 degrees.

01:26:03.210 - 01:26:14.390

So during that period, when it got to a certain point, the guys would walk out room, shut the plant down because the heat.

01:26:14.390 - 01:26:24.390

So it may be our turn today. Peytchev body shop may go out tomorrow. And then the next day it might be tremor chassis.

01:26:24.390 - 01:26:35.080

And also organized whole organized through the guinea, right? They would never fess up to it was organized by the need,

01:26:35.080 - 01:26:43.780

but the shops thoughts during that period, we come around 30 okay. Nine o'clock, we're walking out. Well, the senior guys,

01:26:43.780 - 01:26:51.400

since I was the new guy, they would tell me, Do not leave, do not walk out with this. You have to stay here. If you walk out, they'll

01:26:51.400 - 01:27:01.060

fire you because you're not unionized and nobody can protect you. So some of the older guys, there was a couple guys getting

01:27:01.060 - 01:27:10.450

poorer and Bob sturgeon, he took me under their wing and showed me the ropes as far as what to do, what not to do.

01:27:10.450 - 01:27:18.340

So I just say, okay, when we walk our 930, you go sit down on the breath bench and just sit there and wait

01:27:18.340 - 01:27:26.120

for the form and tell you either go home or whatever or they may have another chore for you to do while the plant shut down.

01:27:26.120 - 01:27:36.280

It may be cleanup, planing area, whatever. So that was that's what happened during that period. Well, once you've got your 91st day

01:27:36.280 - 01:27:44.420

than I was out walking out with them. They rely. Okay. Now you're a union brother. You have to go with us that you have an option or where

01:27:44.420 - 01:27:54.630

you just automatically he didn't need it. If he didn't go. Linda guys the next day, you're in trouble because they would harass you big time.

01:27:54.630 - 01:28:03.370

But we've heard stories of, say, walkouts and if someone didn't go often like they might cut their tires or something,

01:28:03.370 - 01:28:10.790

I was asked a window, a lot of that going in lights, Twitter? Yeah. And that as far as membership,

01:28:10.790 - 01:28:15.380

was that an option? I was. I basically, you are a member here. Had to be a mom, dad, they've ever work?

01:28:15.380 - 01:28:27.720

Yes, it is No option during that period. Now, later on, through the ears, they tried it at one time. Gavin, non-union as far as membership,

01:28:27.720 - 01:28:37.460

but it never passed. I mean, they want it to be unionized and to stand together. Which we, during that period we had

01:28:37.460 - 01:28:50.150

some real strong union presidents committing man and shop. B and C are harder than that. Anyway, Lau, over there.

01:28:50.150 - 01:28:58.280

I had to stay and managed Chuck, glad that he would be responsible Doron day shift to shut the ovens down to

01:28:58.280 - 01:29:04.010

keep the colors from our live. This was before the implemented to the system, the human. How does it last?

01:29:04.010 - 01:29:13.460

I love alas. Nobody else to go could stop a lot. But domain its guys very seldom ever walked out.

01:29:13.460 - 01:29:24.870

The maintenance. It was always production. Production individually lead, and it always stemmed from work conditions, safety conditions, where the two big issues.

01:29:24.870 - 01:29:33.470

And I remember when I first started there, the one individually, he was killed in body shop. And it was called The Jungle.

01:29:33.470 - 01:29:42.320

In as a poor man, a little guy, they would take me down and they had two big welders and ever hung from cables and everything.

01:29:42.320 - 01:29:48.710

They were probably two hundred and fifty, three hundred pounds that you would have to move around. Actually do the manual welding

01:29:48.710 - 01:29:57.530

on the core, on the metal parts. And every time David semi down there's a pull man from paint the form and down arrow.

01:29:57.530 - 01:30:04.250

He would look at me and say, Would they send you down here for what am I going to do with you here? A £120, this goes

01:30:04.250 - 01:30:12.470

230 or 250 or whatever pounds. I need a guide. It's going well. All right. So he'd always send me back,

01:30:12.470 - 01:30:19.640

which was great because I never wanted to lead paint shop anyway. I wanted to be in my home home department because I

01:30:19.640 - 01:30:30.380

knew the majority of the jobs and just made things easier for me. Luck okay. To ignore it. But the one individual

01:30:30.380 - 01:30:39.970

down I remember the one individual that got crushed herbs, a gate and he had coveralls on from what they, what was said.

01:30:39.970 - 01:30:50.600

And there was a pinch point and as the individual should have known. But there again, your mind when you're working repetitive jobs,

01:30:50.600 - 01:30:58.520

your mind starts to wander. It's almost like you're like a robot. And you'll realize where you're at in your workstation.

01:30:58.520 - 01:31:07.350

You may have a job to where you have to get it done from maybe 10 feet of space. But then if you go 11, 12,

01:31:07.350 - 01:31:17.060

you might be a pinch area, safety area. Where do you have to be careful? And that's where this individual he got into that area is coveralls got

01:31:17.060 - 01:31:28.460

hung up in the coarse crushing and Achille. But the reason from what my friend said who've worked in bi Sha the reason Body Shop walk out.

01:31:28.460 - 01:31:37.120

The general form, he came down here, the guy's dead. They tell him to get getting now, put another and get that

01:31:37.120 - 01:31:45.440

out and put another man in his place. And soon as he said Dad, that was it. Boom, everybody drafter tools and walk down. Wow.

01:31:45.440 - 01:31:54.320

Just because of no compassion, no. Or if I get the line run, That's all he was concerned about. Was the foreman. Yeah. Was it like

01:31:54.320 - 01:31:59.980

that often forbidden or they all vaguely like that. Now, you had your forms that were good form is in any had your,

01:31:59.980 - 01:32:11.040

your heart.com hardcore foreigners and they didn't take no nonsense and everything was by the book when there's no No give one way or another.

01:32:11.040 - 01:32:19.280

But the only two deaths they I really remember was that one and then there was another one up in the trim Department guy was

01:32:19.280 - 01:32:30.680

setting and this is before the institute, a liar or your your break area poles as safety features in break Aries, your big metal poles and they

01:32:30.680 - 01:32:40.040

had to be drilled into the concrete. A guy came through there and he had a cardboard court. And the court actually came loose.

01:32:40.040 - 01:32:47.240

And he was sitting at the break area and boom, the crushing. Wow, Well, I was sitting at very carry an unnatural and safety really went

01:32:47.240 - 01:32:57.490

through as far as they were really looking at a lot of different safety issue for Werther, a lot of injuries or weren't though,

01:32:57.490 - 01:33:12.950

those are the main voids who's lost lost cuts, body shop, floors, burns, cuts. As far as paint shop,

01:33:12.950 - 01:33:21.050

we we really didn't experience a whole lot of injuries. I can remember one guy broke is a broke his leg just because

01:33:21.050 - 01:33:29.380

he got his leg position in front of a dolly the wrong. And he was trying to put like a stone guard on the front of the core and he got it.

01:33:29.380 - 01:33:37.850

He just didn't realize were asked what was infrared or they were okay. Because they said something last piece had been

01:33:37.850 - 01:33:49.520

train more properly with the safety aspect of it. Paint shop. What I saw was just the back then naphtha.

01:33:49.520 - 01:33:59.640

Have you ever heard that? It's it's a solvent, almost like 13, 14. That's another solvent that we use back then.

01:33:59.640 - 01:34:08.690

They didn't have the osha writings on the cans, say exactly what it was, what was in the material or whatever.

01:34:08.690 - 01:34:17.570

And myself, I've done many times in LA, the painters that were non booth and ten booth, the sprayers, David Cutler faced with

01:34:17.570 - 01:34:25.240

dazzling just to keep the over spray off to where they wouldn't have to use naphtha to quite the overspending to paying off their face, right?

01:34:25.240 - 01:34:33.050

Uh, we didn't know what was in solvents. We were their like like handle. Yes. So that was one of

01:34:33.050 - 01:34:40.940

the big issues there as far as that part of it. I'm hearing they they didn't have anything which she gets all me to

01:34:40.940 - 01:34:51.890

this day because hard of hearing. And just the noise level inside of assembly plant, your air guns in

01:34:51.890 - 01:34:57.920

your machinery and everything. Everybody talks louder and haka would come on. She's like instill

01:34:57.920 - 01:35:04.450

now, what do you howling forth. But that's what you had to do into play because the noise, how much noise looping

01:35:04.450 - 01:35:12.720

generate by everything. So they've actually implement it, I'm sorry, berries. One, he would go up into the fan room.

01:35:12.720 - 01:35:20.150

They wind in wear hearing protection then because there's a big fans. But done. Some of the jobs you were talking about?

01:35:20.150 - 01:35:31.430

I used to do it was call it a solid wash gas off area. And what I was responsible for the either the left or right-hand side of

01:35:31.430 - 01:35:40.610

the car to where you take a solid naturally, the rubber gloves and steel wool in any sealers are any debris on the side of the car fenders,

01:35:40.610 - 01:35:50.650

your doors, dog legs, quarter panels. I was responsible for getting all that off before it went into the nine be spray booth to clean the car.

01:35:50.650 - 01:35:58.820

And then they have what's known as a KRC now a rough job. It was there again in-between two ovens in the bond, right.

01:35:58.820 - 01:36:08.210

And you can imagine Ryan getting there. The line started to 518 you in the morning. So I had a real good relief band. Now.

01:36:08.210 - 01:36:17.080

I would always eat breakfast before I would go to work. And I'm talking like eggs, bacon or something like that.

01:36:17.080 - 01:36:26.580

Says I would smell at kerosene and get sick. They're not have a sick feeling. So like I mentioned, to vote, my relief May 1 day acids.

01:36:26.580 - 01:36:32.210

What's going on and know that I'm feeling this. He said, Tell me what you eat for breakfast. I told him he said You can't do

01:36:32.210 - 01:36:38.990

that on this job. He said You need you need to eat something like just toast and coffee in the morning.

01:36:38.990 - 01:36:46.370

And then maybe your first or second break. I'm going to have an egg sandwich or whatever you want, something a little heavier because he

01:36:46.370 - 01:36:57.680

said that smell just offset your system. And then some of the other jobs there were CRI or they would see all the seams in

01:36:57.680 - 01:37:10.550

the car with a C or an a. And then you had like a brush in spongy, you'd have to wipe wipe them in. And Vanessa sand the sand booth,

01:37:10.550 - 01:37:22.640

do a lot of sanding, hand sanding where we'll sanding naturally your sprayers. The sprayers. I never wanted to be a sprayer but

01:37:22.640 - 01:37:30.870

I didn't want to be a sprayer. Sounded really sprayed one day booth. And the reason being in Ryan, I felt it was safe.

01:37:30.870 - 01:37:38.450

As far as health-wise for installation. Absolutely. The guys would actually come out and this is no lie.

01:37:38.450 - 01:37:44.090

There work boots. After a period of time, David sit there and maybe the pain author boots

01:37:44.090 - 01:37:51.780

and it would be like a half-inch thick. So I'm thinking if all that's going on her clothes and everything else, What's her lungs?

01:37:51.780 - 01:38:02.300

They didn't have any they had oxygen just like paper mask of a no respirators or anything like that during that period.

01:38:11.790 - 01:38:23.500

So you started and then after the 90 days you go to an official position or did you stay the rotation during that period? I stayed a rotation

01:38:23.500 - 01:38:30.550

what's known as a poor person. Right. And that's that's what you pretty well. We're for probably probably the first,

01:38:30.550 - 01:38:37.850

at least two years, three years. Okay. I mean, if you are able to get a job and it was Biddle and seniority naturally.

01:38:37.850 - 01:38:46.460

And so if you had seniority, yes, you may get a job on a Monday. But then if they had a layoff or cut back or something,

01:38:46.460 - 01:38:55.240

you were the lowest one on the seniority totem pole. You were bumped down a job. Okay. So say they had 16 jobs narrowing.

01:38:55.240 - 01:39:06.210

They want to eliminate one job. If I'm low guy with a minority, my job gets limited. Today I will go back into the pool, say root.

01:39:06.210 - 01:39:17.140

And you start rotating with different jobs again throughout the whole department. And did their conditionally approved.

01:39:17.140 - 01:39:23.680

So it's really hot and I know that eventually brought fence and on to the hope was that was so out

01:39:23.680 - 01:39:34.570

of later on the what they did was more fans. They didn't work is his loan safe? It was a, you know, of the extremely hot day.

01:39:34.570 - 01:39:40.520

Sometimes they would short shift, they would let us go. That's that's one thing. That was a big difference.

01:39:40.520 - 01:39:48.070

Instead of like a 9, 10, 11, they could they could force you to work up to ten hours, a 10 hour day, and

01:39:48.070 - 01:39:55.150

then anything after 10 hours, it was all voluntary. Then 11 and 12. But very seldom production

01:39:55.150 - 01:40:02.020

ever went over 10 hours, which ten hours online. It was a lot, yeah. Repetitive motion with the jobs and

01:40:02.020 - 01:40:09.850

then neon salt tablets out with something a growing out and then they started giving you said there at the very end,

01:40:09.850 - 01:40:21.580

what was real hot bottled water. So the walkouts had some effect. A big improvement says yes to that create tension

01:40:21.580 - 01:40:32.890

with management are absolutely. Do you remember is running? If one thing I do not want, they do not want the line to be

01:40:32.890 - 01:40:43.150

down because that's constant in mind. And anytime you walk out, you mentioned about walking out a line here that because that's

01:40:43.150 - 01:40:53.960

money, they'll never recoup. I'll show you one more. Sorry. Show us. Won't match you get when you retire.

01:40:53.960 - 01:41:03.160

Oh, wow. Every employee retires, gets that. So you retired in 70. Mm. Wow.

01:41:03.160 - 01:41:10.990

A lot of good. Jared left in there again, right? Sadie, Hey, that's one Wendy and the light came in, right.

01:41:10.990 - 01:41:20.500

He had no part of the employee. And what was going on. I know you said you're a trainer for the team coordinating team coordinator to

01:41:20.500 - 01:41:28.270

speak well, what happened? Errors didn't want to leave paint shop during that period. Okay. It was 1986.

01:41:28.270 - 01:41:36.840

So I had from selling 186, I had 15 years and I did not have enough seniority is staying paint shop.

01:41:36.840 - 01:41:45.890

They cut back so far. So they gave me a choice as far as I could go on. Layoff is they own

01:41:45.890 - 01:41:53.350

layoff until paint Jr.'s back in in the department where I'd have enough seniority get back in or going be

01:41:53.350 - 01:42:02.510

transferred to one of the other drug. And they gave me a choice Body Shop tremor chassis. And I chose to have error cryosphere.

01:42:02.510 - 01:42:12.480

So when I young, if I had to throw into the chassis, the team forward, broken into groups of say, 10 to 12 people.

01:42:12.480 - 01:42:21.570

Flow. I'm deal with older seniority guy. Here I am 5000 is not alone in the hole. I got my team area.

01:42:21.570 - 01:42:29.000

They said. Okay, you're going to undertake visualization, write KCL and his team coordinator,

01:42:29.000 - 01:42:35.310

or will move you out and bringing somebody else. All right. So the guys I know

01:42:35.310 - 01:42:43.100

the guys and the guys were great. They stepped up and said full work with you take. So that's how I ended up as

01:42:43.100 - 01:42:55.710

a team coordinated Lian every four months. I think that was an per day for months and then it may have wanted to six months after that.

01:42:55.710 - 01:43:05.610

But the team has gotten worse. Whether you stay just coordinator or nine of those triggers go there again, I had friction with

01:43:05.610 - 01:43:16.180

HA because what I did was as a team coordinated, I did the individual's job to go out warmer every day for like

01:43:16.180 - 01:43:26.890

Tyler able to do their job for 15 or less for that everyday group and then give them a team duty to do half. And as far as teaching duties,

01:43:26.890 - 01:43:36.160

it could be cleaning the area. It could be stock as far as Tagalog the big on the stock. If a vehicle out or gets us as far

01:43:36.160 - 01:43:44.260

as checking torques on different parts, or it could be just troubleshooting what's going on in unary, why the quality is not up way,

01:43:44.260 - 01:43:54.340

it should be in all that. And so my husband didn't like that. They saw me as giving them a break. I figured learning instead of a team do it

01:43:54.340 - 01:44:03.640

as part of the code and they try their darn, just to get me to stop doing that. But they they never could think you'd never stop me from doing

01:44:03.640 - 01:44:11.870

because the individuals were doing team duties and that's what the team concept was all about, getting the team involved in your area.

01:44:11.870 - 01:44:21.790

So were you able to say to your management, I'm going to keep going or did you have to have a union come in and say, you know, he's gotta write what we

01:44:21.790 - 01:44:32.690

had or MLA facilitators. And certainly a new formula would come into the area and he would see what I was doing and he was like, You can't do it.

01:44:32.690 - 01:44:42.190

I'm like, You can't stop me from doing this the other way. This is working together, teamwork. I'm trying to get everybody to work

01:44:42.190 - 01:44:49.780

together and be on the same page. And so what they would have to end up doing, we would have to get the MOE facilitators on the

01:44:49.780 - 01:44:55.830

Union side and management, There was a union memory management and we'd have to sit down at a meeting

01:44:55.830 - 01:45:03.670

and they'd have to explain him. Okay. What he's doing is the MO a way whether you like year-old school or not, this is the way it's going to be.

01:45:03.670 - 01:45:15.790

And so you might as well forget it. Can't stop him from doing what he's doing. And I mean, a lot of it has to any as far as what we've heard,

01:45:15.790 - 01:45:21.470

any conflicts have to go to that kind of mediation. That's great. Or through the shops door committing that it's

01:45:21.470 - 01:45:28.630

Shuster and they really want to get it wrong. Because there again, that's why you had your MLA facilitatory because this was all new,

01:45:28.630 - 01:45:36.430

this sort of work. The kind of replaced shop stewards direct role on the floor. Shops Lord states saying,

01:45:36.430 - 01:45:42.520

write your first chain of command as far as when you're having a problem, you go to your natural you want to

01:45:42.520 - 01:45:48.780

go to a form and try to work it out with him. If it doesn't work out, you call your shop steward. He can't settle.

01:45:48.780 - 01:45:56.370

Then you go to committing that. If he can't settle and then you go to uni halted a union president. But very seldom that you,

01:45:56.370 - 01:46:05.160

you really have to go that far. Enough to resolve the problem. You'd have to be something major due to bring you new president in it.

01:46:05.160 - 01:46:16.460

Are there any situations like that with yourself or anyone in your area, are they so 1 1 with that? As far as that dealt with seniority.

01:46:16.650 - 01:46:25.510

And I never felt this was fair. When you hire a and you had a higher end date. Mine was 55 71.

01:46:25.510 - 01:46:39.610

With your last name initial. So which mine was gallery. So if somebody hired in 55, 71 with f saying Frank or whatever,

01:46:39.610 - 01:46:53.170

then he was above me on seniority. Fb for geographic data for date was after. Now it's going to be same day or same-day. Say we had 370 some of

01:46:53.170 - 01:47:02.410

sovereignty that day or so. But here's the thing down the road. This one, lady high, when we would bid on jobs,

01:47:02.410 - 01:47:14.030

I would always beat her as far as job because her name was Thompson when we've signed certain jobs. And so one signing of a new job,

01:47:14.030 - 01:47:25.510

a job that came available, which was a preferred job. She signed and she got the job ever make. But what happened was she had she

01:47:25.510 - 01:47:36.010

remarried and her name was last name was changed to Charles. So she moved she moved up on C and I didn't think that was right there.

01:47:36.010 - 01:47:44.970

And I took that to the union president. And he gave me a smart answer. He said Go get your name change to double way whenever we dump away

01:47:44.970 - 01:47:53.670

whatever your last name. He said and then you'll be at the top list. You'll move on. Did you didn't do it?

01:47:53.670 - 01:48:03.080

But I always felt that that wasn't right. Whatever day you the day you Harding and whatever name you had during that period.

01:48:03.080 - 01:48:18.880

That's that's the way it should have stay within your seniority ranks. Very didn't work. Okay. Did you participate

01:48:18.880 - 01:48:29.240

Union a lot beyond that, you do. Meetings are very so. Always a lot of arguments. Always felt arguing,

01:48:29.240 - 01:48:35.920

bickering, gone back and forth. I always felt it was a waste of time. Truthfully. I mean, what was accomplished on the floor?

01:48:35.920 - 01:48:41.830

I had deal with every day on the floor. I didn't need to go to Yale and hear what was going on there. Alright.

01:48:41.830 - 01:48:53.500

So that's just what they talked about was issues and kind of have mirror. And always called it. Always felt it was unfair

01:48:53.500 - 01:49:02.470

for the good workers to guess the Uni has place. And they did great things for us as far as back then,

01:49:02.470 - 01:49:19.770

benefits and everything else. As far as getting us a good wage, good benefits, good working conditions. But the situation as

01:49:19.770 - 01:49:29.910

far as when there were problems or whatever, if you were a good worker, it seemed like they always protected the the the the work

01:49:29.910 - 01:49:38.100

that was not as good workers what you are, I call them the bumps are the ones that had a lot of issues and whatever the guys

01:49:38.100 - 01:49:45.600

it will always lay out, they would know how to work the system. It seemed like they were always go on to the bargaining table trying

01:49:45.600 - 01:49:55.440

to save their jobs. And we would have to, good workers wouldn't have to give up certain rights or benefits

01:49:55.440 - 01:50:03.980

to get this individual back in in a turnaround is the same thing again. What kind of both? That's what you have to give a while.

01:50:03.980 - 01:50:20.320

It could be just a negotiating is far moneys. It could be sores on while there again, cost of living or it could be different. I'm trying to think what would some of

01:50:20.320 - 01:50:29.860

the main issues were as far as time off work, you know, as far as we got like we started out with like

01:50:29.860 - 01:50:37.660

five PA days paid absence lounge stays net went 67. And then, you know, when you started on negotiation as far as

01:50:37.660 - 01:50:44.470

the table negotiating tables. They want to try to get another day or whatever. And you have all these grievances,

01:50:44.470 - 01:50:50.210

they're not going to talk to you about giving you another diagram or give you more monies or anything?

01:50:50.210 - 01:50:58.840

My niece was monies. That was the big issue when he was always a big issue. Monies and benefits for workers.

01:50:58.840 - 01:51:08.260

We've heard through some of the other interviews that we've done that if there was a complaint, I guess management, they might say,

01:51:08.260 - 01:51:13.300

Well, if you drop that complaint, will drop this to exactly that kind of bargaining. That's it.

01:51:13.300 - 01:51:19.300

Okay. And see, during a period when I first started their management, they were they were not allowed to

01:51:19.300 - 01:51:28.060

do nothing on that car. If a former general form and saw a piece, a seal or on that car and went up and just took his took a rag

01:51:28.060 - 01:51:37.930

and wait till the shops are writing because you're cutting another man I've worked out of a job. That's why we want you to touch

01:51:37.930 - 01:51:53.750

AgCl or Jaron management. You leave the production work to the production men. Now, did you have a favorite position?

01:51:53.750 - 01:52:02.740

Once you add or was it just journal you enjoyed Peytchev? That's where it was MOE. During the paint shop I had

01:52:02.740 - 01:52:16.410

done I installed vital topside. I enjoyed that. On the final line at Ericsson. Slower pace, more expertise needed.

01:52:16.410 - 01:52:23.650

He felt like when you got done, you can really see what you've done is fours installment of the vial top. It's not like putting

01:52:23.650 - 01:52:34.260

six cruise in, whatever. Enjoy that die noch lawn line. The die noch was like your wood grain back in the,

01:52:34.260 - 01:52:44.530

back in the sixties, are back in the eighties. And then I guess they were pretty well. They were they were

01:52:44.530 - 01:52:59.540

my favorite jobs, clean jobs. And they required a little bit more expertise, which I like. Mla was it was different as a coordinator.

01:52:59.540 - 01:53:09.240

But supposing us, do you think their their intended benefits panned out or was it wasn't an improvement on work or how did you think that?

01:53:09.240 - 01:53:17.200

Looking back on it, say that? I'm saying it was improvement, yes. And the reason being is then either you were sort of forced to be

01:53:17.200 - 01:53:24.490

a t trying to wherever prior to that I ever buy was individuals. So it puts you in

01:53:24.490 - 01:53:35.270

a position where you had to work with management now and you really had to work with you and your team. And the reason I'm saying as this,

01:53:35.270 - 01:53:48.910

you know what what these in his work. Sure. Is this your team? That's yes, I was watching Doris theory.

01:53:48.910 - 01:53:56.500

Okay. So what kind of incentives learning, let's say, Well, what they would do is you

01:53:56.500 - 01:54:07.340

would get certain privileges. Whether it was mostly food, you know, when you had your MOE we add ammo Me, amyloid meeting every Thursday.

01:54:07.340 - 01:54:14.870

So if you are a team and a month, they may bring down snacks or goodies for you or for your meetings for a whole month. Okay.

01:54:14.870 - 01:54:22.470

And anything free? People? They like that? Yeah. And it could be jackets.

01:54:22.470 - 01:54:37.390

It could be any kind of anything like that. But we were the first team to get a team of the year in 98. So those are those, are those Well,

01:54:37.390 - 01:54:46.380

that's the one there with ME. Want to move. So trivially or for whole plant will put yeah.

01:54:46.380 - 01:54:59.200

So you had you probably had you got maybe 50, 60 teams involved. And then you'd have to that was quality, safety.

01:54:59.240 - 01:55:09.970

As far as production. All those things were involved in in getting team of the month. And you would have to submit

01:55:10.160 - 01:55:23.280

why you should be team of a month. And you'd have to you'd have to do all your, your readings and everything as far as your quality charts and all that jazz,

01:55:23.280 - 01:55:38.640

you'd have to go through all that. And in a committee would pick, would be the team and the moths are team. And here I say footers. You ought agree.

01:55:38.640 - 01:55:47.990

Well, one question do have for you. I know we said it was very, very much mainly just white males working when your father started.

01:55:47.990 - 01:55:55.500

That's a pretty diverse group. What's women that for lots of other races, everything I love. Were you there during

01:55:55.500 - 01:56:00.420

a period of change when I started are well, yes. Kind of mix. And how did that all go?

01:56:00.420 - 01:56:07.420

When I first started here, I think there are maybe in their department, paint department, maybe 11. That was it.

01:56:08.270 - 01:56:21.180

Cowards, of course. Whites, hispanics. As veto RC area, RC air from Cuba.

01:56:21.180 - 01:56:32.910

He has won my Pullman. And so pretty diverse group as far as different from what he was, you still bring that over.

01:56:32.910 - 01:56:40.300

We've heard a lot of a lot of other interview. You said it was, you know, whoever as long as they pull their weight

01:56:40.300 - 01:56:49.920

because there were no issues between the two? That's correct. Because a little better. But there again, you have this is

01:56:49.920 - 01:57:01.150

like this is like a little town. And you still have just a guy could look at in first for some reason he just doesn't like you,

01:57:01.150 - 01:57:11.770

you know, issues and some of them settlement, some some don't. It's Horace fights would break out though. Was there a lot of other if it did happen,

01:57:11.770 - 01:57:20.200

it was always most of the time in the parking lot away from the eye. In plant. We had a couple couple of issues.

01:57:20.200 - 01:57:28.390

This one guy, he like country music, is one gal she liked whatever style music she hadn't. They both had radios

01:57:28.390 - 01:57:35.260

on each side of the line. Well, they had to work directly across from each other. So he told her to turn the radio

01:57:35.260 - 01:57:44.320

down and she didn't listen to him. She turned it up, matter of fact, just an irritating even more. So he told her again, nothing happens.

01:57:44.320 - 01:57:50.780

So he went over and pick the array, you smash it and punched her in the face. Really. Not that he's been that far.

01:57:51.240 - 01:57:59.410

But that's just very seldom that would happen in the plant, but are very there again because it came to a point,

01:57:59.410 - 01:58:09.280

something was going to happen. And that's when management should have stepped in or, you know, the, the team leader or whoever was involved,

01:58:09.280 - 01:58:22.750

shops door and tried to calm the situation. Now, Knossos, the whole of the planner sections, we're a small town and we've heard a lot of

01:58:22.750 - 01:58:29.050

people would sell like food and coffee and there was a lot of stuff going on. We've got a lot of issues. We've written books on

01:58:29.050 - 01:58:41.150

other factors and that issues of coffee pots is definitely like this. Pain of it. That was what was the paint out and pop

01:58:41.150 - 01:58:56.140

to 300 degrees. Hey, now the temperature of the pane opens it wrong. I paid for out of 300.

01:58:56.140 - 01:59:08.660

Okay. Guys would actually bring turkey and chicken in and put them in your little aluminum pans

01:59:08.660 - 01:59:17.050

and paste them in every day and put them in the ovens. It'll rates how he does. So because when they had had

01:59:17.050 - 01:59:22.810

a breakdown while there are in a hurry to rush in the oven, a third door and they start walking here it all is food is

01:59:22.810 - 01:59:31.030

no step in all or the feeling within a cell that should guide it's cooking and food ease. May I naturally mill rights or may

01:59:31.030 - 01:59:38.290

it naturally forms are made. What are you doing with all this stuff in there? So let's put that to a stop.

01:59:38.290 - 01:59:50.840

Was a guy had alphabet soup one day and he forgot to puncture in the top of it. Okay?

01:59:50.840 - 01:59:59.440

So this thing got so high to explode. And I'm talking to Prime booth oven, fresh paint. This car comes out

01:59:59.440 - 02:00:18.580

of alphabets, all the paint. So that was it was no more food in the ovens. I was there anybody selling clarify, a little bite of food at the very end?

02:00:18.580 - 02:00:27.480

And this was always funny too. We had this one superintendent. They had like hot sausages. I think I was making like

02:00:27.480 - 02:00:37.450

hot sausages in adults. The sauerkraut between coffee and it's Servetus, bag of chips. I mean, whatever it is, like,

02:00:37.450 - 02:00:44.770

maybe in a couple of lockers, he'd have everything set up, have wired to everything. Well, as superintendent,

02:00:44.770 - 02:00:53.260

he came down one day. He said, I can't do this anymore. And the guy's like, well, why? Several of the cafeteria,

02:00:53.260 - 02:01:00.400

the vending people are getting upset. Taken business from their machines are not selling as many products as what they shouldn't be selling.

02:01:00.400 - 02:01:09.370

And you don't have a license to do this. So he tells him, okay, they have to shut the business down. And then next couple of days

02:01:09.370 - 02:01:18.790

he's he came came back and he said, Well, you can go back and do. And again, he wanted his hot sausages drink.

02:01:18.790 - 02:01:28.060

This is the form. This is like the superintendent or yeah. So they will go down the rabbit hole a little bit.

02:01:28.060 - 02:01:34.570

Just like keep it out of sight. Don't be in heat. I already knew and like what you're doing here.

02:01:34.570 - 02:01:45.440

Remember John, go flat, two, flat, super tender, come down one day and you want to know something about the ovens?

02:01:45.440 - 02:01:58.840

They come over and without ME and gallon, we should walk over to the oven, Gallo smoke a cigarette. That halfway over there he's having to

02:01:58.840 - 02:02:09.730

say red then stop. The manager says The knew that at home. That was it. Back then. You know, that he's

02:02:09.730 - 02:02:17.570

smoking a cigarette butts down. Great. And they were that Teflon pea plant matter where you go in there.

02:02:17.570 - 02:02:26.730

And that's another thing right now. Yeah. I never really liked over to plant as far as I was I was a non-smoker. And you couldn't get away from it.

02:02:26.730 - 02:02:34.350

I mean, whether it was on the line, if you had an individual cross the line work from me and he was a chain smoker. Each smell the smoke all day.

02:02:34.350 - 02:02:43.070

They need good or break carrying. You'd have ten people smoking, smoking around alcohol and drug. David, you just couldn't get away from it.

02:02:45.180 - 02:03:04.540

If it's ended for that. If you've ever than half of the head. But here's something to I don't know if anybody's ever talked

02:03:04.540 - 02:03:14.260

about this or not either. It seemed like when I first started here the big the big deal was for habits. Whiskey was you.

02:03:14.260 - 02:03:22.380

Yeah. Oh, it hurts too. Was a pretty prevalent or this this one individual. He actually had a trench coat

02:03:22.380 - 02:03:31.940

made and had pockets, Soviet Union trenchcoat to where he could put maybe 12 half points, carry six on each side.

02:03:31.940 - 02:03:40.330

And he'd bring them in heat zone in each cell and the management or union, it didn't it didn't matter to him. And then he go back out lunchtime

02:03:40.330 - 02:03:53.440

and film back up and come back in. That, that went on for quite awhile until finally they came to an agreement with the union

02:03:53.440 - 02:04:01.390

to where you could actually a guard could tell an individual employee to open his jacket off or to where they

02:04:01.390 - 02:04:10.380

couldn't they couldn't touch him. But he would have to unzip is Jack to make sure he didn't have any points. So then oh, what's that do?

02:04:10.380 - 02:04:19.880

He gives it to his wife who has a beach back. Please. 20.5 points and narrative. Instead of 12, he's thinking to myself,

02:04:19.880 - 02:04:28.630

well, I can get more in this and they, they're not going to touch or so finally got to the point then to where you would have to open your lunch box

02:04:28.630 - 02:04:36.630

up or your bag up and look inside. So that's one the alcohol pretty well ceased for a while. We're going to write is

02:04:36.630 - 02:04:53.380

taking radios that their pocketbooks. And then there's there's individual I first started there. Well, that always first thing

02:04:53.380 - 02:05:04.330

and then I noticed actually, marijuana was a big deal back then. And it's 11 do cross forming on the line. He would sit there and he'd roll is joined

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to need smoke one in front of me. And that really ticked me off. Any management knew he was doing he knew he was doing it.

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So far. Like Ryan, I just got fed up one day and I saw him. He has bag of weed out is roan is cigarettes up.

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So the big fan, I just turn the fan on. My blue is pattern where man, he got bent now the

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pace at which all you have size problems. I said I have problem with you smoking dope in front of me. After I never had a problem with that,

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could have big issue. But I saw it go from alcohol to marijuana to Coke. And there was this

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one individual I'll never forget. He came in and we started 530 in the morning. And he had like in the station wagons had

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like a 2.5 inch or three inch screw. And he'd have to put up into the panels for the headliner trim. His hand was shaking so bad,

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he just he couldn't do it. He was good at getting everybody in whole because you work in so far down. So this form and he letting go ahead and

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go to the young the bathroom, which we all knew what he was going to do. He run line, he came back down here working up

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the line and then you just zip it. Just all of Europe. He can noting down after that, let's say it was a,

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it was a pretty wild trend there. And see those three during the period I worked there from 71 to 2130 years. Right.

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And moving. So it goes pretty pretty obvious. It wasn't like yes, it wasn't nothing listed there. Both sides knew what was going on,

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but as long as that production got out, that was the main thing. Will not have a battery to data, right. As a lecture issue, I were earth,

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Zara from contact with him and he was a caret that the youth are ended guard on that. On a NOT they

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get to battery and divide by that. Well, there again, right. Yeah, it was before they were able to search in your back. You know, we we heard stories and rear

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where guys would take prior to that, david take batteries or whatever and put tomato plants on top of the box. And he'd have a battery underneath of it.

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But guard will look at ASU. He's got 16 tomato plants or whatever. And here you've got a battery underneath. This was take them out

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actually from the pasty on from PIO or tars were big issue. Big hug, got to know

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a guy who was tied to that. That was a big My to this apply the right is is that or were they taking other people's radios?

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They were taken from the actually steal and the L, the course o the corporative. Absolutely. Oh, Kathleen,

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like the food court, have you come in and you would you may walk down line and you may see three re-used

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going quick sale for a guy outside the plant. Do I had I had a pair of flowers or the surety diver. I used to keep my back pocket all the time.

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Why that one I forgot painter mad. Panic about, yeah. It'll guard Xavier. Here's some numbers were pretty hard now is as far as,

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you know, pull and use sign checking in whatever, right. But then we heard stories of like over in milk or motors.

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The the material guys would actually getting with the vendors that we do like to uniforms. And they put a whole create

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a brand new engine in the back of the truck and then through coveralls over top of it. And he finally caught on and what was

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going on air because naturally you have an inventory of so many engines built. Alertness engine go from opioids.

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So that's a very good fires bosom. Yeah. Because vendor was fired naturally out of the plant, plus the individual who was loading

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the engine onto the truck itself was fired. What about was a due? Date lies in seventies, eighties in Malmo saying

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mid-seventies, somewhere around there. So LA quite as race it though now know they they circled crack down on those edges.

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Yeah. And security got more little bit more and then your cameras and everything, which was an obligation to Canvas.

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And so they'll do that kind of cut down. We talked a lot about pranks that were pulled. Was there a lot of that going on

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or the main focus on that? Too much abs petty stuff. But they're there again during that period also,

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you know, I was telling you about the liquor and everything. You're on. Darn well, they call your bookies. Yeah.

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Booking was a big deal. So by lowering charts and all yes, it and there's lot of issues over that. Guy would tell him a number

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and write the number down. And then if the book he wanted, he would say that's not the number you gave me.

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Say the number hit for 50 bucks or 50 bucks. So then he had that dispute back and forth. Now, don't forget this one gal. She played a number

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with a booking, she said it hit. She goes up to labor relations and tells Labor Relation man, that just bookish theatre our money.

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He said, Do you know what you're telling me? I can fire you and I can fire. Yeah. So what do you want to do about it?

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She turn around and walk back down a line, forgot it. So who would end up having to do with or was it

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just had to stay between between two? Yeah. Hello. Yeah.

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But the overall working relationship, you know, I found was with management D and E. As a coordinator.

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I'll just go between I had to satisfy the union problems and I had to satisfy management. And that's when the job got a little tough.

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As far as when especially when you bring work down, people do not like change, especially on a production line.

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They're comfortable with what they're doing. And I don't care. Ryan, if it's just one more screw you have to put in that course somewhere.

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It's cost and then time as far as something else they could be doing. If you were lucky, you know, if if you had a job that would

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take you say 45 seconds, if you could do it in 30 seconds and you can get 15 seconds, E-value that 15 seconds.

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The mental part I was harder on most of the jobs. In the physical part. Mentally just doing the same job

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over and over and over, and try and you get time to go fast. No rights used to do deal with may have lower border bad.

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Say a power of a candidate. Tell me said the alterity learned about file for a light value and get to play ball with them.

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But we found out in management, eventually found out that most guys, everybody knew their job. So if you just left the personal

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and they would get to quality to one, if you start needle over just petty stuff. Just seemed like quality would go down. Epi just that's just the way it was for you.

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Postpone Washington dishes her hand though, did you worry on the same kind of stringent schedule, accident, Newsweek or was it a winner?

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We would we would production would go most of time. Our production schedule would just 40 hours a week.

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Now, naturally, repairmen, you'll you'll hear some of those guys. Just depends on what's going on in the plant, What's going on with the product?

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If I have a lot of repair issues, they could be working seven days a week, 12 hours a day. If you wanted to make money,

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That's where you got into either getting into being a repairmen. Weather was bike shop trim, chassis, paint. That's the money.

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So they turned pretty good bucks there. But then if we had a large or maybe a flea order, we're back in the URL.

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Is there again back in the early days we were building your taxi cabs. It could be your police cars and whatever. And if you've got a big order in,

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then it stepped production up to maybe nine out of six days a week for nine hours, five days a week.

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We never worked a Sunday. And I can remember production. It was always either five or six days a week. But there again, when you walk in,

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you didn't know if you were working eight hours. Are you working 10 hours? Were told that bills wasn't

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so there could be so codebase that yeah. And now is non-negotiable. Mm-hm. Yeah.

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I guess the same question I asked her father was there's a sense of community outside work. I mean, it worked a lot with the same team,

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but I probably got close with everybody that was there. He said because literally there was a big We've heard a lot

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about Chris or Vireo community. Was that pretty prevalent for you? Order? Well, for myself, I stayed away because number 1, I was a non-drinking.

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Write. Those people. I just stay away from as far as outside because I know what were

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they were going after work for myself. It was basically the guys that I work with. We playful. I could be bone I bowl with a lot of guys

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are different guys in a bowling league transing some of the other different activities just to hear intermittent mingling

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as far as maybe it's like car race or something to get together. How did they only deal with the different people in different clusters?

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Thumb span. I just wanted to have a work together on different files. And other people of different cultures.

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While they have your different teacher spot, Professor, different teachers and your different classes where they go.

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You may, as far as problems, as far as student problems, I guess they haven't committed for the Office of Student Conduct and

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those kind of people. There's it's not like consent to the principal or anything. It's more of a general code of conduct and

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capitalism deal with a lot of people around there. It's bigger. He said, damn general code of conduct. And they have a committee or a group that

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deals with issues that arise from this year. It's not a union or management. It's, it's a little bit different. Australia, it's neutral.

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It's well, there's no such sad things too. Is you know, what you talked about as far as eating. We worked AS guys that have

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retired and worked all the years too. And we're used to certain benefits. Now they're slashing benefits less. Move that right.

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There's nothing we can do that. As soon as you didn't let them letting them do it, but I guess they have no choice.

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Right. Especially when it comes to healthcare issues. I mean, we used to have dental, naturally prescription eye here,

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feet, prisons, pharmaceutical. And they're just they slashed a bunch of root. And the hourly wage,

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we were make a pretty decent hourly wage, but most of people were there for the benefits. That was the big perks in

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your cost of living allowance and stuff like that where he's going into cost of living, it's gone now. So whatever you're stuck with your pension,

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which he went out with, and that depends on the number of years you for. That's what you have. It it remains that

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and with the cost of living the lineup, it it starts cutting into especially when you get into other areas. If you need prescription glasses

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or or down or whatever, That's our pocket there again. So this is the the players, the National Union. Yes.

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That's correct. So yeah, we have a local give suggestions or make suggestions. Everything has to go through international.

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Does the local union is it's still active? No. Does PUT is low over running locally in we don't have a local union anymore, right?

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So I mean, we have 11 83 we're still know is 1183. But as far as, you know, there was nobody there.

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It was. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of the way the anions go off. Here's a basically take for 10

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azure looking back on Earth and how you kind of put, putting in a water stream. What I saw on the previous turn

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around regime was during the Reagan administration that bone pain, the he air-traffic control after Andrew, do you remember what happened then?

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See, they went on strike. He fired everyone up and brought other people and that's, that's what started as

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far as breaking the back of the union. Because then everybody else knew that all the unquote grace and he knew they could do that.

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This sarcophagus. Snowball. Yeah. I mean, it's just put pressure on.

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You gotta do what we say or we'll just, they always kept same with New York plant will shut his plan dance and everything Detroit,

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because that's the Home Hub. And we all have to have is shipping expensive shipping all the parts here on Eastern.

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Sure. When we're most of them are manufactured re rounding the Detroit area. And so they always held that

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a rare heads on years. And when I first started near the one individually, he told me, he said You're

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going to hear rumors. He said he had been there since 1964. He said You'll hear rumors from today's star here until the day you leave.

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It just plants going to shut down. He said, but don't let it until they give you the pink slip, then start worrying. And that was good advice.

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So it was pretty well hold on. Hold on. Yeah. When you retire before put closer?

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That's correct. Yeah. So the job involvement with it with a closed I know they did that. They all share things inside of here,

02:22:12.580 - 02:22:20.500

go back or go by, and we're we have about 16. Well, it depends on the number of people that's available,

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that there's a group of about, say, 10 and 16 of Islam. We try to meet twice a month for breakfast. Yeah.

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So we get together and have breakfast and we've discussed in some things what's going on and planned or just general stuff.

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But we got together and walk back through the plan prior to the oxygen. And now nothing had changed really as far as the conveyors,

02:22:46.410 - 02:22:54.750

we're still in there and different things, but it was an eerie feeling the walk through there and it's like so sad just for

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the Delaware area and for the the employment in the area. When you're talking you're talking Avon. They left. You're talking

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box would plant shut down. The GM plant room, air plant. That's that's a major hits for the state. And for the, for the tri-state area

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N2 people as far as good jobs because they they definitely were preferred jobs. But done.

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And I always looked at two, you know, it's it's a great job. Good pay and good benefits. You know, take care of it.

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I don't mess up to where you lose that because it'll be hard to find another job and line individuals who started there right after a few years,

02:23:42.580 - 02:23:49.990

they thought that okay, I can deal with this. They quit. And within two or three years, they were back into plant

02:23:49.990 - 02:23:59.830

starting all over with no seniority. Again. One guy he had actually 15 years in company, promised in good pay and benefits,

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which they did for a year and a half and then they closed that facility down. He was back and he was

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underneath a name and he was concretely ban for all the years. Say he lost 15 years of seniority

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or integer of thoughts are pretty much run through the questions that I have for you. Good experience.

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It's just done. Just takes a different mindset for people to work in assembly, environment. Axon.

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But wrong. They treat me good day. I mean, as far as, you know, the company company treat me good.

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And naturally you're going to have your problems, but you just learned, worked through any anemia union.

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They they has we had real good benefits and everything. And but just the way the economy shade, you know,

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they had, I guess just go in a different direction. That's what I see. What's going on with them right now, do you not everything's just shifting

02:25:18.100 - 02:25:35.120

to a different direction. And good jobs are hard to find right now. It's just hard to find sort of thing. Good. I appreciate

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everything that you guys shared. Say Gautham. I think I'll probably stop this guy. Okay.

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Lucas of Vitruvius.