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This is Roberta Perkins and today's date is August, April the 22nd, three that I'm interviewing Mr. interviewing Mr. Jame,

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James not and we're here at the Arne Hill Natural History Museum and this was the interview for

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the iron Hill School restoration project. And at this time, I would like to thank Mr. not for his time. Thank you.

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As you're not hiking, start off. You your full name. And when and where you were born? Before sayings not able to fit?

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930, Washington DC. Okay. How did you come to live in Delaware? Well, we live in Maryland. Washington was just a place

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where he went for the hospital and I was immediately back in touch in Maryland. And my grandparents raised.

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My mother died when I was about 23 years old. Has moved to Delaware because we had relatives of the idea was seeking better employment

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and better lifestyle. So we wind up in hocus. Do you have any siblings? I have one son.

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Brothers or sisters? No. Okay. I was raised with my aunt and uncle. What we come up as brothers and sisters.

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I was I was about I guess before I realized that my mother, my grandmother, although my later years, they started telling me things.

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What were the names of your grandparents? Nor and blame that I wasn't ours main liver's LIB or in a lab, the E, R, S, like this one.

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And I want to ask, What was it like? So you spent here I'm drawing up years and hope Yes. Yes.

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What was it like to try not to accumulate money? Some of your earliest memories, hooked up with a great place to grow up in.

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The back, added just a tiny bit more appreciated. We had we were we were poor, but we didn't realize we were

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because of the conditions of the community. We had great I had great parents and it was great parents around us.

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And I come up in the air. Were Everyone was your parent. Whoever was yard, you play it in. That was one that discipline,

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whatever way they felt disciplined and you call up an area where was not somebody too. We use the the the punishment method.

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Did was they had hesitated between anywhere go to GitHub. And when you know your parents, no. Closest friend and his mother would.

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When we mess that we've drawn your voice. She gripped with CSU, see my mother, Kama, the Nazis, it's not soppy was the day my mother

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said what it must have done some and that was it. And I love those people today there's still some of the ladies

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will still go into the church. Healthy babies down. I highly respect them. I I never let

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a Sunday equal by that, I don't good-bye. Give them a hug, kiss because they're very, very dear to me because of them. And then went to jail side

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and always try to recognize those are very different time. Yes. It was it was it was good times. You can leave your door open.

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And it was good times and said he didn't have anything like you have now, but it was a good community.

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Grew up on where you lived. Where is it in relation to what people know as focusing today? You take what is it?

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One forty one, forty eight forty one goes into the center of focus and after he'd go over the railroad tracks and it's kind of

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before you start going up the hill a little bit to Pennsylvania. So where What do you have? Hammer then?

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Where we live that we first came to Delaware. We we live down Mill Creek grow probably about a mile from the session you're talking with it

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far Hall is right. Right. Right. But in 19411940, I think I'm right. We move up into hocus town proper hotel.

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You can stand them up, which and you can see, in fact, he still can't were mother's house it hook right there?

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We were maybe a 16th of a mile from the firewall. Scores were right there. And in fact, we were

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the last house that you've got two before you caught the bus? So people would would even have like concrete

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because they hadn't wood. So they would wear their shoes. So they got to my mother's porch, take the shoes off and put on

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a dress shoes and you'll have less than 10. So I'll said one university she picked up on the point. Yes. Yes. Because add

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across fields and things, right. So we would lay us has okay, now, so that I picture a little bit aware that relation to the library,

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the library they'll be okay. Lab or a pilgrim is, if you want to call them contract block is a block up that's all

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valid row rank among Mill Creek Road, okay. If you know what, if our company is now, right? You come down milk recruited crossover,

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UW track you across if you're thinking that you're able to check this all 41. But if you've come this far hold is a road to

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your left hand corner, Bank of Japan. The old likes the pike is 41. It runs parallel to the new likes to bike. But I'm on, we'll tweak it comes down.

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You'll find kinship, each apple cherry job laying down, and you will find a Windows 7 school. All back, ran out,

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lose weight by the church. It runs across we'll pick road, starts at 0 lies the pipe and goes all the way down.

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It comes back around to likes it Pike What muscle hospital. They say. How long did you go to

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the school with when did you start? I started 937. I was in second grade when I came to Delaware.

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First grade in middle school, colo symbol, Allen town. So our tau Silver Spring, honest mistake. So it was there.

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It was I remember it to two rooms by and they went into the second room. I was in the first row because I

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think don't quote me to close on this one, but I think you raise a med school. First three was in one room, mitch greens, and the second is reuse in his secretary Ms.

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Car, I remember those names and demanded a ODE is a conversation. You use group. Remember them anyway. My answer in our conversation,

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that was Carlo screen. Then we came to Delaware at 37. We're live with my uncle John, who lived on the road until

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my father got the house down on milkweed group where they were reading. And then they moved up

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to president we are now. And they bought at all. Now this isn't okay. This isn't focusing on real quick road.

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I still have an act that is founded property there. And so what was going to focus on 107? Yes.

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What was it like for you? Gone and you went you went from second grade all the way to six? Right.

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What was your teacher What was his first teacher? Was only teaching. That's the BoJack. My little pharmaco 4 here,

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going assistant taught here. And this both constants, full John. And I'm trying to think of the one that was here. Barium.

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Barium goes on. Yes, two sisters. They lived on Clinton Street. My teacher drew big package.

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I never got her by her before. She drove big bands. Yes, I remember this so well, because we had big snows.

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Sometimes. Jubilee getting it because you didn't have your snow plows them all like I do now days cause she had come by my mother's house and look up

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when it gets close on Sunday, go to teacher. It might be tempting. But you went to school. That's really interesting. So she was

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there for the entire time. That was six rows of faces like that one as well. I will see me playing with that

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one or six rolls of benches. First grade. You have when you come in second grade, third grade,

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fourth grade, and sixth grade, she taught everything. I'm going to students on average, I would say roughly 30 ish

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or more students than the first, the second range then it thinks are enough. I remember correctly almost balanced that because we were

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constantly coming and going until they got integrate. I was gone by that time. So asked the 12 to segregate school until

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after the gray and then you with or how high school. So how was that getting the how how do you get to hours?

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By bus? We rode the public bus bus called shortlived. And we grow that. And then the state subsidizes that.

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They got tickets, not something. I know we have book tickets and regrow day for a period of time, a gentleman by the name of

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Mr. Edward Peter Singer might call him, talking to face with you there. I'm sorry. Now, Mr. Peterson. And he ran a plus for a while.

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So community me. It was always when you look back and he was always doing something for the community.

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He ran a blessing was the Iceman. So lice, you wouldn't know big friends. And he ran this bus? I when we have our our school,

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the unions, I was the designated MC years. And one of my fun things was to tell the people about the bus. I say today, we had

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the only orange school bus in history of school buses or yellow? I was a bright orange. I'll never forget it as long as I live.

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It was an old Studebaker bus was the PTA. And he was take a school because he FM and get to work. First this bus drop off a school.

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Did he come back? He'd kick us off. Somebody be made her but he picked us up and anybody that had to go to town,

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good jump on a bus arriving, free. That type of guy. We rode the bus to school. And how it's cool. Everybody in Cache County with how

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Scotland that was traveling back next time. But they talked with nano, which is what we add to rendezvous, was a bit of a culture shock going from 10,

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7, then going into limited to the school with the school itself. Because there was so who's bigger? 0, so much, so much more.

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How a high school, like New York City to me. He had this law, who went to this little country school?

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You knew everybody. Everybody gets rid of them. So you knew everybody. And the teacher control everything. Bob Bell.

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Bell. Bell controlled everything, recess. Gian anything that girl signal that. Now we'll go to Howard school. This huge, I never forget the school.

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The huge school with this big white columns. And I see the school at home. I do. And I didn't know

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nobody other than a feudal people. So it was a transition, but it didn't really affect us because the teachers

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were straw disciplinary. So you got to know everybody and you behave yourself. So it wasn't a thing. I'm lost.

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Was good school. I liked I liked Howard school with us. Thanks that I had never envision learning. We have sharps.

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The gymnasium was huge. It was because our school gymnasium was with basketball courts and off I've never seen anything like this.

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We got splendidly than school opened in the in the in how I mean, I don't think that would be maybe a dodgeball.

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And we had a couple of swaying. That's a seesaw and that was it. Okay. When in doubt what you didn't get anymore.

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We had to make us though. But anyhow, they are the stocks. So there was a big transition and wonderful. So what did going back to

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now for physical education? Recess it or was there a special time set aside for physical activity? Oh, now it's on recess, wasn't it?

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We will have various other activity that would depend on the teacher someday who would go out and we will have,

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I guess you would just kind of protocol organized. Atkins, you health playing ball. We would draw that,

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do various things like go play various game. But she control that recess with our time. I replayed whatever he wanted to play, horse played baseball or

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whatever during that time and girl, they would play on the swings over that. Because at that time, you know, girls weren't as active in

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sports as the August thing time. So those who visiting C control was BoJack. This boat. Zan was a great teacher.

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And by that I say whatever she taught you through the day to day, I know she may show. And you may if you didn't

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get a sudden my whole bag, you might like this rotors duty by she might hold you back here. But whatever she taught you, you knew it.

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So well. I remember the books we read, Bob and Judy to those nip and tuck. And every kid who goes to focus in school remembers that she touching very well.

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She taught music. She was everything. We're a piano and she played it and she will tune on and

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we and then we would put on plays. And we had to make stage things like honest day's fireplace

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not we've made all that. She would bring in huge pieces of cardboard. And we would sit down during certain times of day.

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It'll painting Rydberg song and make the angels and then a title to play. We're going to walk across. And she saw that with the stage curtain.

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And we have place. Oh, yes, it was it was a great school. When you look back at this time, it would be feasible,

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but at that time, you supply of books with a detachable have a librarian know percent. Books came. I and I may be wrong,

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but I don't remember ever receiving a new book of books was transferred from the white school. We were segregated.

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And at that time there was a lot of Italians around focus. And because mushrooms were grape in and they work with dairy

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but dominant mushroom girls. What that ultimately I think. But anyway, and it was the Anthony's and bookend is in there, these Italian names.

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So when I got my pool in the back where you wrote your name, when we open that up, it would be Anthony's at all.

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What they would do would give them new books and better LG Oh, we would get. So it was not going to look in and see our friend's name double

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because we play together. I was going to ask you if you interact. Very much so I can although things were segregated,

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but in hookah, So I cannot say that I ever faced segregation and knew about it. Hey, together, we fought together.

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And granite repetitive then basically this session, but there was white live among us. At times. I I I can't say although I knew it.

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But you didn't know? It was a funny thing to say, but there was never a real open prejudice thing.

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It just wasn't to say we bought together, we played baseball and whatever. We swam together the tricks. It was just that was gathered thing.

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As kidney work together the fields. It was it wasn't open like later years when it became real, know like value so strongly,

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right? Butt and podcasts. And I cannot actually say that I faced it. Although it was there like a snake in a coil, I didn't bite me by Louisville Nicole,

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You can't tell me that? Yes. The older ones, they spoke very fluently. They they some of them could hottest begins

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with the kids come along. They they nasa they spoke Spanish. Oh. Do you ever remember someone coming

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as an inspector superintendent coming? Why? What was that like? We felt was the what was the name that slips out?

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A tall tall, tall widely. She would come we may see her 23 times. You're going to see that. I almost have her name,

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but we didn't see it that much as she would come in. And sometimes she's been a couple last course that will

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be especially as a school, we knew she was coming, you know, this this this bull job would have various things for us to do on that day,

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but she was the superintendent. I can't think of his name. Now, did he come from the white schools as well?

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And I was actually part of the system. I think we read through this, just ran to the district. Her we were there her around,

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but now almost AS bit wise, I'm quite sure what was expected ours what what's our purpose for? I think at the time,

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like I said, they didn't tell kids much good now, but I think at the time she was soot antenna, so she was more or less like

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this bot jaws balls. As you go to school, that was her responsibility. Saw. Thank she. Make a guess.

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Is there an actual things was gone our lookahead and felt something like that. Then you could get the impression that maybe with human hair,

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you're expecting the SBA partial of question that if you wanted to after granite remembering and they went to the first one,

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you definitely wouldn't see Ms. Holly, but he remembered one and I guess he was here IT and less employed by them for a long time.

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She didn't really miss bonds, have anything. She was she was a brown to sit tall, but she was a good size Lady. Miss bar like that.

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Um, it's okay. I was wondering if it was one of the two. Was that moment, yes. Okay. And I have mattered.

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I guess. I can't say that she's all and remember. We didn't have any contact with her. We just saw our standard within a CTO,

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So we did I can't remember really strong contact with her. So she hadn't area then I guess I would

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think this was in their realm and I will be adult. I'm quite sure. Want to heal to hook us. She was in her background.

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She might have been over all of you counsel with them in a school district or harassment where now I'm

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just guessing all that. Well, what would your school day like? Like how much is structured there from

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coming in the morning until the end of the day. We usually arrive the school little early because when a teacher arrived,

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she would go in and get herself ready and then she would come occasions she may come bring that about. But most stocks you grab a kid,

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ever read a bill that was not clock line up and you went to school and you went to your death. And then she would

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have she would tell each grain what to do, open your books and do second sentence. She was spent time with each gray. And it made that while she's with the

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secondary or the grays had work to do. And that's what I was her day. And then in the afternoon, we would have more or less light.

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I guess you could say a community activity like music, or we've made it go outside and do something depends on the weather.

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But most of the time you were in Yom gray area and had to Blackboard you go up into your lessons and things like that.

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You had a complete day. How has some powerful handle? How much water? Oh, yeah. If you ate occasionally, bitter cold weather,

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sometimes bosom would put on a pot of beans or something and share them with you. Ports are some of the kids

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had quite a distance to well, I was I was watching it outright did that with the Mumford, teach me goodbye.

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So I didn't get a chance to pay them, but I'll add a couple of minutes. But we had his warped the unlimited Taylor

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found that Ray well, they walked from now Cuba, which was, you know, and love cuteness. I have a general idea. I knowledge.

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So that would give them, I'll give it a good, um, we'll give it an easy group, Warhol. And back in that time,

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we had very, very bit of winners. I mean, snow, snow like this. We have to go and walk down the road and they would come to school.

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And most of time it will get delayed. And that's your goal. And it would come through some founded the strung out.

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But they come to school and as they come in and they did coal, we're still well, yes. We didn't hand now wouldn't have

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Vesto we had tau. Heater room. And we didn't have a pipe goes to how, how large a black community

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wasn't mocking them. I mean, no, I theta, to my knowledge, I think the tailors and folks end up with all found it.

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But folks, the tail is where all the ones that came from that area. Most of us are were

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I would give it most of those were probably the mom mom hair cell radius, which also found in bracket rebuild and hope guests and right.

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Oh yeah. Okay. I grew up on others gathering year, hercules. Okay. Okay.

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That followed us that that's the one that's going to fall to the court can always one. You got it. Last one. What are

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the graveyard mole is viscous. They hadn't all she sought an option. Yeah. Yeah.

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Sorry. Yeah. That's actually a kind of Christian side of the cape.

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With their prayer here at the very end. You can remember to the Flag. I do not remember. Okay.

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I though roles. Hello wall. Okay. I think you may have said that the major part of your dominant submediant,

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he acted do that way, getting to do what? Community events were held with the school. I have now I've got

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to walk because now you've got to go wiggle it back in the forties. There wasn't a whole lot of

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limited PGA meeting to think like that was all today with the school. While mostly your community

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activity to my knowledge, with that, the Church which was next door? Yeah. Okay.

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Back that time, chases with your central. That's right. Okay. Now, most of the stuff that went on to mine

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now let's suppose that the church, that the church and had what's called a hard time of Gilgamesh door. Wasn't that much back to school.

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My knowledge, it was that was at a very important part of your families like being involved to church gifts.

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My mother was I'll leave it there. She was home teams and the church vaccine. Before that, she was the mother of the church.

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Cheap and cheerful, mountain than it had been muscle. So many of them, but I will always remember to check.

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Okay. I used to be a member of the church and Belvedere Simpson because I'm married, my wife though. She belongs. So I

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was there until I left and went back to chicken. What does that mean, mother of the church. The church.

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Is they the this but the old and the oldest member. And you have personally that they honor. Right. That is a lady she's 96 years old,

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massage a piece at the mama past whose last name was not made. Oldest member even go there. We just cherish you. Sophie, always

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have more pinhole model. Yeah, yeah, it takes greater RNA is the years of service to the faithful.

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We're at the school, whether any celebrations that stood out, that the school did eat, whether they be holiday

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or just particular school. I didn't mention Craig. Yeah. That was that was one of the biggest things.

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We would be getting ready for the parents and basically come and we would start stopped robbing November

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because it'll make all this stuff. Panelists practice. Because you say portion of the day before the party,

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Christmas play in different one was selected for various parts. It was a fun time. That was a fun time

00:32:02.330 - 00:32:10.790

to do them and do good form with one of your parents. Because back in that time there wasn't a lot opportunities

00:32:10.790 - 00:32:24.080

to do things and finding the parents. This was a great time. Mom put on this great play. You might get to be Jesus or an angel.

00:32:24.080 - 00:32:35.940

Great. Homemade uniforms on how that plays thought, hey, hold, follow what he called a Story Map is priming.

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Summary document camera. Now, this was we had a Christmas plate and the board that was the Santa Claus name calling names Dobbs.

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Dobbs. His job. We had a rural Latin, Dessau upon a correct view to see. And of course, he was going

00:33:01.730 - 00:33:12.280

to come down the chimney. Well, he got up on a ladder. What is says is some kind of way Bobby Lawson bounce off the Navajo.

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They hit the Create an outcome to occur, disrupted the whole thing. But all back and you got to get there. Yeah. But without its critics of platelets.

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But like I say, it was one thing they got us out a lot of schoolwork gradient. Because if he got on that plot this,

00:33:31.340 - 00:33:38.470

you decide to make this stuff. You half a day's school, he became steadily you pick paid everything in water.

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Would water-based paint, watercolor, call it time? I'm going to say we made everything. How would you involved in it?

00:33:46.250 - 00:33:58.670

Where are you involved in doing the props? Did you have a part in the play? Most everyone did with him because she will use voice for doing

00:33:58.670 - 00:34:07.290

certain things and certain basic girls with you. So everyone back never won in that school was involved one way or another.

00:34:07.290 - 00:34:14.290

I put known as play. You might not because you couldn't do the sum inactive people. But you would evolve somewhere?

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Yes. Yes, You were. We will take shape in some way. She and Bob, all of us, who thinks she said she was a great teacher.

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Some things I see now, they could have been different, but that's worth the time. You all know if we'll get her.

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And I don't know if you get the one here is very nicely nicely on how is that, How is the inside of the school?

00:34:53.020 - 00:35:01.970

Said I like a lot of that's going to pretty much set up the same. Say like wearing it the way you're sitting here now,

00:35:01.970 - 00:35:11.810

you're back to the door. Can you describe the way WHO kisses school? Law? Said, if this was whole-class a

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school, families, Dana? Sure. Oh, yeah. Okay. I would say right here from

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this large rooms where we were. And that corner was a girl's layer back on the board. Okay.

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This corner was going to the boiler or a painless was supposed to have mostly cetera death to the back of the room. Most of the time, periodic should

00:35:47.330 - 00:36:00.270

be changed or most house back Edwards, she could watch us when we're going see here. And it was one up one to six rows there with Blackboard here, Mumbai.

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And over here with you was all that was left was one of the great headway this healthcare it with you,

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I'll say design to snap to plan. We're planning so light but like all backwards, back however, with this,

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I don't want this side. All would give us some awkward School. This school was in Britain now, what our school and to

00:36:27.080 - 00:36:36.200

the day as communities and replace it with a nice skull. Outside. We had set a swing,

00:36:36.200 - 00:36:47.830

which consisted of four swings. And set of sea salt that was made about them in the back was a big deal in the back.

00:36:47.830 - 00:37:01.760

So we felt made a ball bounce back there. And whoever had a bonus, not likeable. Likeable, we stop and we made a ball and made up

00:37:01.760 - 00:37:14.400

back and take a romantic roommate that we've made out of there. So it's the when we kept us busy because

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they're actually become anions will be charged. They did find something. Did you ever play back bomb ever seen?

00:37:21.590 - 00:37:28.220

Yes. Okay. Here that was mostly organized by the teacher. He played dodgeball because

00:37:28.220 - 00:37:35.420

we will play some time with data than fellows would try to get the ball. I'm not the girl's dad who is a teacher, would be up there to control us.

00:37:35.420 - 00:37:48.950

We played dodgeball and me. The girl played hopscotch, all this. And we go back in that time. Labile for Hoffman.

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We shoot marbles. All those gains now I have just booked disappeared because you didn't chemical to your game.

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So you had to make everything and we would make slingshots, will make up bows and arrows. And everything we need, we may.

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I've built my first bicycle wheel. I can remember my first boss and my father came home on Sunday morning and told me,

00:38:22.160 - 00:38:32.840

he says, What you a bicycle as like some of the box. Whereas he totally worthless. Want to quantify that with,

00:38:32.840 - 00:38:40.160

quantify something. White found that the HoloLens, I hope you remember them and nine manner, how often a gong as well?

00:38:40.160 - 00:38:48.560

John France had his bicycle, My father boy, 2008, something up they did. And I ran all the way up

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there, got this bicycle. And the boss of the system frame, two wheels and hamming balls. There was no see little

00:39:00.800 - 00:39:09.440

fineness and little chain. What do you do with a bicycle with no change in outcome that really pushing this. There's a happy then by others

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happened by you ever seen. But I've built that boss and I remember that first day. The fetuses, they hadn't

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lot of Boston was Dennis. I push it all with that is that we've made a change. And every time I would get almost

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home team with breaks out, trauma and go back and get absolute gross and his bicycle. Well, I had to do all of that chicken pigs.

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We had all that stuff matures and that means that I'm building my own. I finally got home for three or four o'clock that even my mother

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come either has been all day. I said Mama, I was putting together my adviser. She said full all day on a bicycle.

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You don't have the choroid that took the basket with me first. I'd like to know what it was. It was great, but you had to be

00:39:57.740 - 00:40:10.410

invented to be passing that money. Got when it fed you that we're doing a good job that says was no money. But my father was very

00:40:10.410 - 00:40:21.030

handy because he always had chickens and gardening, never home. We always said he was a he was a bird for good provider.

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Heedless, didn't have much education for people. First one, breaking, the practice, built that house that we bought was small.

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It was good. I like that. Either they test on my Mismeasure of Man where I am there also lays down

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on my memories of iron. But to the field school for the failed days, we'll deal with that. Um, so feel a little bit about those.

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Today is May days. We would come down here, was no bus, no activity, bus, anything like that.

00:41:04.570 - 00:41:12.410

We would have to get the parents, those who had cars, would bring us down to 40, went to work in the morning,

00:41:12.410 - 00:41:19.100

drop-offs, all levels. I guess that was quite a trip back in that time. And then we stay here all day

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and they'd come back after work. I pick some of these back home. Whoever had the car, it'll stay all there was was a good time.

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And I remember that we have a pole with the gibbons Yes. Ran around that and we will play I'll relay games.

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At that time you had coke bottles with the case of quotes and they would never have been involved with have

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a case of the M1 day. I would be sticks in it. And you'd run up logistics the end and I had to take him

00:41:56.510 - 00:42:05.050

back with the gain at play that whoever got the first web team got unfriendly line and then played baseball, softball or whatever.

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And it was a lot of games we play, which was a wonderful day for us. Now, when you came and that they were there other schools?

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To my knowledge, was this tool for somebody I can't remember anything about school. And it was just the

00:42:20.720 - 00:42:30.700

two of us here at the top. This was our sister school and can invite them the assistance to this with our system where we came.

00:42:30.700 - 00:42:39.590

So when you involved in state competitions, I kinda have. Your involvement would be on school was just participate, uses physical?

00:42:39.590 - 00:42:48.150

Yes. I never heard anything at both state competition all through into how school? Their head they have a good actor,

00:42:48.150 - 00:42:57.360

had football team, basketball, they had all that. And they, they more or less, we're integrated with other schools

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on a plate of schools. And most of the school to play with black school at the time, but not when I would want to know.

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How did how was it that aren't just your school? Number one, the tissue resistance. I think I played a major part

00:43:18.500 - 00:43:28.500

and and whatever else. I guess it was rage prompted by this car. I don't know. Like I say it back, neck. They didn't tell students a whole lot.

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You didn't use his tanks, just you just yeah. Who's got all that? I wasn't a whole lot of knowledge but what was going on

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where I couldn't remember that. Useful, useful thing is did you notice exactly, exactly program to request purchase done?

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Wouldn't allow backflow. Lump was passed. It was sheer stuff for you. What about politics? When you got old enough to

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understand what was going on with politics in your community? I've come elections and voting and what do you remember?

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We left but this I remember doing election year. The local politicians and big as a local politician who

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was granting Edward Taylor. Taylor, who live up on top, you're right, problem, white school. It big here. We said, if you want a job,

00:44:38.290 - 00:44:46.040

go see him. He was sent to you. He was a fully with what they call quote Nassau County kind of sushi. They Graham.

00:44:46.040 - 00:44:58.010

And he did a good job because I would laugh about that now. But the politicians at that time, they I would ask you to

00:44:58.010 - 00:45:07.950

say they bought their votes. By that, I mean, they would There's a lot of Mark balancing that time.

00:45:07.950 - 00:45:21.370

While you had a lot of people that were highly educated. And in the NAND, as I look back at black community,

00:45:21.370 - 00:45:36.540

they more or less listen to what the white community told him. She's good for nowhere, but she's going to be I don't and in fact,

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I don't know of any blacks that were running at that time. It made the sum in a city. But in a country that was it.

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And what they will be a little little liquor store back Are they call him been at the Alcorn is still there are

00:45:51.620 - 00:45:57.950

lifestyle road and GAO group is called a Tim's you go. I think I've changed the name them and what they would

00:45:57.950 - 00:46:11.100

do would phone 79, free beer ID, and you would get the MAC values sign? I wouldn't involve I was a kid,

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but he's assigned a name and I can remember so well, different one who say who you vote for. And in this time.

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But if it didn't go out there, it will give you it would give them a half by 11 as the cockpit descends at a time. But they bought their boats.

00:46:32.210 - 00:46:40.590

And at the time the, most of that black people were in it. But I know, I know a couple of them were involved in politics

00:46:40.600 - 00:46:48.230

during the Second World War and the subject just spoke to call it here or read more at a time you come around when

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headed drew Mickey, Give me a house and all that. And we used to think, being ignorant of what was going on,

00:46:55.560 - 00:47:06.270

which he was crazy man being a nuisance, but that was part of the the system at a time, but that was the only thing we we've

00:47:06.270 - 00:47:14.000

dealt with all positive the day before yesterday. Okay. What their boats and I can remember when that if you

00:47:14.000 - 00:47:24.530

work on a county Republican Louisiana, you would work in there. If Republicans loss. And, and you know,

00:47:24.530 - 00:47:39.350

that democrats come in, you lose your job. And this, I learned my tiny I don't work that way but someone told me to you, Sam.

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Thank you. I was I was neutral. I will not L1 through both get a grip brand that way I

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I sort of stable but but that's, that's the way things work. They the Owsley human knowledge and asked what their foods with

00:47:58.340 - 00:48:10.760

a simple KPI look or $2? Yeah. Well, I'm not I can't years but I remember when what happened

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was I think one of the main base involved was education. I, when I say I am talking about the people, I have more or less got

00:48:24.260 - 00:48:38.290

expose what was going on to radio, to TV. See we had lipid in radians bandwidth. Because the first radio we had with battery. So that's what we had.

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And learning, reading for yourself and get an education is with what I think of all of that stuff. Really. I was really because I know I

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never had the mark valid binary number. As I can remember. I remember hearing about it and see, you know,

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but I was involved in because two and adding start voting, I guess I was. Over 24 hours target because at the time we didn't really

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get involved in politics. And then if you're lucky enough to work on election day, 100 bucks. I was like the end of the world.

00:49:23.930 - 00:49:31.140

There. You get your car and you hop into the poll. That was a big thing if you were lucky enough to get in,

00:49:31.140 - 00:49:41.660

but that was 4 out into later years raw got to voting independent self. Years ago that a Republican,

00:49:41.660 - 00:49:52.010

he was reported whatever, but now the household changed. You republican, democrat. And I'm just not back to

00:49:52.010 - 00:49:59.050

your comment about our upon didn't have radios. How did people get news? How did you communicate?

00:49:59.050 - 00:50:09.690

And find out what was going on within the community and even outside, whether it will be outside you mean me, or immediate community or word of mouth.

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And a lot of times by the time it got to view, it will still distorted what you believe in any way.

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But I think the roof, but like I said, radio, news, I remember so well when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor,

00:50:29.420 - 00:50:41.810

I will remember that we had a radio. And Erdogan is big relative, but that big big thing was a barrier. That barrier to give week

00:50:41.810 - 00:50:48.480

mom would tell you don't kind of video, save it for certain programs she wanted to hear. But I remember hearing

00:50:48.480 - 00:50:58.610

that and I don't remember the first almost the first family that had TV. I was like, Thank God, had come station.

00:50:58.610 - 00:51:04.010

You all came on throughout the day. But when the fight came on air by wanted to go with the depth that they'd be

00:51:04.010 - 00:51:13.310

looking in the window, you know, it was. But that was the way they learn. And through conversations. And I know my mother them.

00:51:13.310 - 00:51:22.310

They work for these families. So they would hear of what was going on through to families. But the families told

00:51:22.310 - 00:51:38.610

them what they want them to know. So once again, it was destroyed. Unless that's one of the things I think held back education so that

00:51:38.610 - 00:51:49.670

a lot of the older people, the black people work for these families and the fast would tell them, well, he doesn't have his case.

00:51:49.670 - 00:51:59.420

We'd have a job here for him. But now your kid would call this. But I don't have to go to college all he's got a job here as long as you want.

00:51:59.420 - 00:52:07.250

So let's just also say you've got a job to lower EBIT. And you, if you've got a high school education, education.

00:52:07.250 - 00:52:20.170

College was some weird, but college was from most people are very, very distant. Dream. It just the money. Was there.

00:52:20.170 - 00:52:28.520

An education wasn't, wasn't I'll put dominant thing in the household. Because when they pass, don't

00:52:28.520 - 00:52:39.050

have a lot of them don't really pushing. Get yourself a job. That most of the jobs, menial job, but it was a jar.

00:52:39.050 - 00:52:58.550

So, but there was a lot education going around in the cities. But in the country, depiction push among the black things.

00:52:58.550 - 00:53:16.190

But I don't want to add anymore school placement. Now, hearing better than just to score high to schools.

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And like I say, we had on that day we have hot dogs and things. And it was it was a great day. Because because don't forget that time.

00:53:25.250 - 00:53:35.570

Recreation in a community with very limited just wasn't nothing to do with your mother allows you to go out and play.

00:53:35.570 - 00:53:43.580

We would centralized in one area and create a baseball. All we'd go from the news Craig, we make

00:53:43.580 - 00:53:52.420

almost criminal damage absolutely get deeper. And that was that was basically like activity. We'll ride a bicycle if you add one.

00:53:52.420 - 00:54:04.860

And then on weekends, the community, we have baseball game. And that was a big volcano that had black tea and black things around.

00:54:04.860 - 00:54:12.590

Who? Caisson. That new art, Edwin kinda square, a woman button would they all end?

00:54:12.590 - 00:54:18.890

It would play it at a schedule and it will play, I think I have a verb or a dear friend who he's passed now,

00:54:18.890 - 00:54:35.850

but he isn't the Baseball Hall of Fame. Judy Johnson. He barely hear you and I we reverberated, be afraid of Cooperstown for the 1718.

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Good cooks they have every year and hero that they can't go back and white past. My wife and I took here at UT up until

00:54:45.800 - 00:54:55.290

the end point International Building Live Corp, outermost motto, and we were right in Belvedere.

00:54:55.390 - 00:55:05.000

So we make sure that you address every day alcohol stuff, my bicep and white. What it was in Detroit.

00:55:05.000 - 00:55:21.290

Next time you ordered. It was a great man. I just wished God I saw fit to give us more to the Johnsons.

00:55:21.290 - 00:55:38.030

But he didn't walk down. Go ahead, Dawn. Good. Baseball came today and maybe they just got my whatever.

00:55:38.030 - 00:55:49.400

Yeah. They had yeah. And focus it was called hocus, pocus importance and Chappelle

00:55:49.400 - 00:56:01.460

buddy or that one felt they had one. Gov. Is it adequate team? I played ball series. They play them all. So I'll draw small. They show up,

00:56:01.460 - 00:56:10.100

they've been outside at night, but they get this guy. I remember my grandma does Tom Barrett, Hong Kong.

00:56:10.100 - 00:56:21.150

Yeah, I knew I had a T&E. But would they act is all around. They build up in the cars and go play ball. That was a great thing.

00:56:21.730 - 00:56:31.220

Now, terminator day activities, numeric just this year. Just to find active here, did you actually compete with the average?

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Can you see my mouse? That was he. And we we more or less compete against distal.

00:56:41.380 - 00:56:52.310

To my knowledge, there was organized and that was it. And then sometimes for days over the teeth, gently mix it up a little bit.

00:56:52.310 - 00:57:03.190

This a little bit. But it was just a fun day. You didn't hear it in here was know a whole lot of hardcore release,

00:57:03.190 - 00:57:14.340

but we're better than it was the funding. I can't ever remember gone through the fact that this better than you think, like the head.

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Now, we just didn't have them teach them about what ingrained in us. We're just playing.