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Your name, where you live now and where you were born, you some basic information. And what do you do now?

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And then more conscious, mind to errors. In Delaware. Had been working for child think that women shelter since 1982.

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I started service initial counselors, overnight financing, the hotline, and then to Sarah's House and the bare area to

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the shelf into case management agreement. Okay. And do you want to tell us where you were born and

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kind of describe some of your childhood. I was born until I saw I lived there until I was 22 years old. I went to college there.

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I have a bachelor's degree in social work. And right after college I moved. So my experience working in Chile was only during the year that

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the main to ship with children and working with children and then I would work with rehabilitation center with purple hot.

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But a real job until I move here. And what was your experience like and Shirley and did you know that you always wanted to move to

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the US or what prompted you to leave us? Okay. Hi. When I was nine years old is when we had leadership in a chair who was there until I left.

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So basically since I was nine until I was 20 to those that they share because of their limitations. So phenyl being allowed to

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express openly what we're thinking, which always was just against white hello, Finishing policies. I decided that I really wanted to, to move.

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You need to get a lot of information through their TV and you see a lot of shows that they did talk about United States.

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How I became interested in what's likely would just say my family, my parents like English and French, so they always were talking about that.

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So I had an alcohol so label what he's big like German, French, and English. And it was always

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interesting to learn about that. And that was something that I did on my own. In high school. We have to take languages though.

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I have a little bit of background learning English, but a lot of that with my own. That's how me and my husband,

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he was interested in doing this and we would go out and start there in English. And then once in a while, one word that we didn't know he and

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there are we will learn from each other. So I thought once that I was done with college, it was the perfect time to move

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because once you get a job, you kind of get stuck in there and you don't it's hard to move for a couple of years.

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My visions were to come to the United States for four years and then go back just to get like a good experience.

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What that was almost 20 years ago. And I knew I like it. I knew I wanted to be here, but my family leaving my family,

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that was really hard to make that distinction that I was definitely movie here to stay. I came to their lower because

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I came with another friend who from college who she also wanted to travel flow machines. Law was determined to do this.

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She said I'll go with you. So we came together and we knew someone who live in that hour. That's how we end up here really.

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My husband then boyfriend lived in New York. If that actually live in New York. He came two years. So I was supposed to be going to New York.

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But New York, he was renting a role that was going to be hard to be. Fine. It plays the expansive he

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explain all these things to me in when we saw the opportunity to come here. Sit okay with on to data with which it's funny story too,

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because when we got here, the person for forbid plays, they had it, they send him longer theme in the living room of another family.

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We didn't even know. So here we are. I think he he thought we were never going to come like we

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were saying they've been not really doing it and we're like wearing Wilma. He said What? Yes.

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So quickly, you know, was one of the things when you live in another country and you know, there's someone who was also from Chile,

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even a help out there with this family. We said, okay, they can stay until they get their own place. That's how they help us

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because there was like almost like, okay, so we know about salvation harm me. Why? You feel like, oh,

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we're going to call yourself. There's really when you we, you know, you kinda have to have this pink know if you're going to do

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whatever it takes to make it work in that Dow was my thinking. I have to say niche of them went to Santa Shelton.

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Not like calling my parents, don't you think it's bad because, you know, business, no. Working in same thing in terms of jobs

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to keep my intention for it to work as a social worker. But I knew I needed to learn about policies, about just the daily leaving

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here and the costumes and that sort of thing. So I thought the best thing but just to get a job and whatever. So I start I move here.

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I came have Friday to Miami Saturday. I was in Wilmington Sunday. I got a job working and never stopped since then.

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There was cleaning offices and then that was a part-time job at evenings. And then I got a full-time job, a housekeeper in a nursing home.

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So I had two jobs for a while, eventually work in food service. While I was finishing with pre-service, I work at the University of Delaware in

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dining services to hate it. I cry in the mornings going to work opaque. Going to be doing when Herzl thick. Just a step to get where you want to be.

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And eventually, someone told me we had a friend who work in the nursing home. The activity director has she

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had an assistant the assistant work at the battered women's shelter and she said they were looking for someone. So they told me in this thing

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of letting them know when he felt was really ready to do it or not. I don't know anything about the legal system. I can talk about what's going on

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until it but not here. And I was very scared of that. My husband died. My resume arranged name to the

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and drove me do they need to go move come when you can do it? And I was so afraid, you know, when I look back thinking, wow, you know,

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like the ones that are working, I realized that back into this. I can do this and be bilingual help because that definitely there

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was a big issue at the shelter. No one spoke Spanish. So hotline calls, they needed to have somebody

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translating in time stain at the shelter, make the minimal things. Diapers or asking within London will miss that sort of things.

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They couldn't explain the rules. There was nothing translate it. So it was really hard day. I think clients less than

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little bit longer when they have someone to talk to. And that's what happened when whenever we had a time and there

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was the day that I was working with said Can we just take ambitious talking about everything that was going

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on during the weekend? Just trying to tell me and they're just trying to okay. Okay. Okay.

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So let me see. We've been there, done that and trying to take care of all the things that they that I was working.

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But yeah, I think so. About the childhood. My dad was, what he did was take a superintendent

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of education. And we have a social socialist government. Before. When that happened. I remember

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when I was nine years old, we had a phone call from the morning to clean than one, something like that.

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And then my dad talking that they were attacking the initial pounds and they kill their depressant. So that will solve

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a military combine hair for me, the army and the police force also. So after that, they start going to the houses.

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Just, just arresting people. Just because anybody who were part of the government, that was the reason

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why because they were part of vehicle. So my parents sent me to stay with cold in my hand because they will expect them to.

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To the house. So I will send there. It'll save my mom who's coming to visit me. They didn't like kind of like this is fun. You're going to go, I'm hanging out with

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your cousins and, you know, trying to make it fine and every member leg like this strange feeling. Like it's dangerous than not

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really understanding the whole, you know, what was going on and hearing, talking constantly, people talking about egg. We had a curfew,

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curfew that people would not allowed on the street and they were killing people. Either one is three, unsafe and I remember hearing shootings too.

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So I knew it was bad. But but you don't have the full idea of what else is happening. And my pan tried to give me a

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little bit away from too much information about, you know, in Santiago when the cabin on their hit this a

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river and they would see but, you know, from people they kill. So they tried to keep me away from that

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until my dad was arrested. This happened September 11th. Know that they have that could be maybe for me that day after,

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you know, everything, the app and it's just wow, what's that date? Key? He was arrested in beginning of

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November when he went back to the office attorney in his teeth, they were waiting for him and he was this ship outside the bay

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where they have people they are, they took him to the military academy where he was tortured with electricity. And then from there to feed

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him for three days, then that probably people who remember he had on a plate of beans and he had of course, no clean or anything

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like that we're discussing. But he said, Hey, you know, whatever thing they are, protein that might help.

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So it was just really they were people like journalists, like all sorts of people that they were involved in.

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They told him and he was there and the month and then after they moved to a concentration camp, com of course, we knew he could,

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he could figure out where laws because he could see like a heel that he could tell. That's what he was.

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So kind of live data and ETL, where we're located. The Red Cross International did a great job there and allowed

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their families to start sending things to, to whoever was in the concentration camp. But yeah, to be careful because there's still things,

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if there was anything make good chocolate, things that will steal it so they would not get there. They will read all their male 2.

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So my parents, they, you know, they they had it. I mean, they have a great relationship and without even talking,

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they both figured out how they were communicating. So my dad would send them into saying that he was treated so well.

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He was amazing. My mom understood there was totally be opposite. So that's how to manage,

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you know, like doing that to communicate. But I think it's all about the relationship they had. They were without saved.

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This is where we're going to do. They were able to communicate out that way. So we're getting letters than that. Keep that like we like simple

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because he couldn't say much. And then after six months, they send it back home. When he was back home,

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he wasn't allowed to go into law school and he was then allowed to go back to study. So yeah,

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they are and they have the power to do whatever. And he wasn't able to go back to work. So I think from there one of

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my biggest lessons and there have been learning from that. I think when I move here, do whatever it takes when you want.

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Something, becomes a law from from my parents, from seeing that my dad is selling selling door-to-door.

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Gosh, I remember hearing so many, countless than tomatoes and that sort of thing because he wasn't yourself person. So he tried.

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Your best buddy will take. Like okay, we therefore we'll be ready to eat because the nausea with no selling that in,

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I don't remember quite well for how Nike did that, maybe like 20 years or something like that. And then they decided

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that they needed to do something they couldn't keep doing this. They decided to sell the property that we had at the beach.

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And with our money, my dad, huh? Find out where it was the nearest country he could go finish law school and be able to go

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back to Chile, impact there. So as the plates so he will deliver door. He did that for four years, something like that.

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So he would come to want to miss it. He Grey describing things. So the letters this is before email less than 76 than any paid.

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So he, he he did a great job describing things. You know, I have met people from England on and when they tell me their food,

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Quito, I said, Oh, I know about this and talking in the soil. There had never been in Ecuador, but I know so much

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about food Constance, festivals. They do streets, stores. And that's because of the letters that he used systemically.

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So that would be really good. But you know, that that's one thing that I've seen my dad that he did whatever it took

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because we need assaults income. My mom was still she was cool. Feature here working. So was main herself or kidney.

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The family. They, you know, they they did whatever it took to get there. And that's why whenever

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here said okay, housekeeping, waiting tables and all those things is the process to get where you want to be so that in advance something

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that I've tried to pass that to my kids to for them to learn that. When you want something you can be like, Oh, that it's not meeting my handlers,

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you know, want to move to another country and be a social worker right away. That's not want to happen.

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It's a process to get there. Right. That's an amazing story. Yeah. Uh-huh. I just going off of that.

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When you came to the US, we had to know a little bit more about her struggle to get out and see where you are now opens.

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Amazing that you I don't have to, or at least the Charleston we call advocacy as well. But what made you decide that?

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You were thinking, Oh, I was only going to come here for four years. What made you decide that? Okay.

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Now I'm going to stay here or is it kind of just another year passed and he's figured, well, I'm just saying, but

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I really like the idea of coming here. You know, not getting too much into politics, but, you know, the dictatorship

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was helped by United States government. Which is kind of, you know, if they aren't feeling of well-being, they're not there all of that.

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Which I have to say that when my dad came to visit the first time and maybe for my mom had been thinking of

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wealth than it does here. It said, C really change his, his point of view of how American psyche said,

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I don't even see this in children. They can store. They say hi to you. I mean, the queue will say, did you say,

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I don't know them as a whole and you know, that's the way it is. Embed our other places. They might not do that.

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Like, you know, the subway in New York. Nobody talks to anybody. But that was some of the themes that he thinks he really had it.

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They've been going to feel you are always there that anybody do you have to differentiate between their government decisions

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and the people? And said, You know, unfortunately, a lot of Americans have no idea of what some of the things

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that the Kauffman you can cut that if you want to know if it's true. So just being here,

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I really wanted to come here. And I really feel welcome. I really run into too many towers from somewhere else.

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I were not any longer. At the beginning, I felt like because you have an axis sometimes. To make sure you sound smarter.

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Because some people think you have an FCC you don't understand. And they talk to you like that And I'm like, You don't need to do that.

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You know, the people that they think that maybe she doesn't understand what I'm saying. And then with you as bad and like, oh, okay.

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She knows. Okay. Good. So you know that some of the things that you have to deal with,

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the kind of lead proving a little bit like like I can fit in here. They're really ideally have I didn't experience a lot of

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flagging or discrimination and that sort of thing. I just remember one time in like maybe I would say like two years ago.

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I was in this place with my husband and I went to the bathroom and this woman looked at me and pushed me. He said, So you're,

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you're from Mexico tennis that now from chill it in. She said, I'll see you came here to, to make some money to get better.

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And I said, well, actually after I finished college, I wanted to travel and I move here. And xi she just

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insist that that was what I came. And I just think Well, have a good 9000 on the sheet. That was a little bit drunk too.

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So then this woman behind me, she said, I am so sorry for what she said. And I said, You know, I had been here

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17 years is soap has do that, death. And probably somebody would say the way she was talking to me, I would have been crying

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when I first moved here. But right now it's like, you know what I mean? As American as you are,

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happy they have to my left here. Think Chile in a, which is kind of funny, really didn't hurt me.

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Like I knew that was the invention of made me feel like you don't belong here. But I feel kind of funny because at this point

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it's like whatever you can favorite things. I have done most of the important things here, like, you know, having children, getting married,

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getting my first job, and embracing my children here. So it was funny or less elusiveness. So past to tell me

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about 30 how that some of the things that sometimes you Yeah. Thanks. But no, it's the only thing that

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I remember that I think to think it's all the hand the language, that's a big thing.

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If you're not able to communicate with all of those, kind of tend to stay with people they can understand you so,

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you know, you just isolate yourself. So that was one of the big things that I like English. So wanted to talk to other people

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in in in my house. We speak English with my husband. What makes it whatever comes versus something weird that

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happens that, you know, sometimes you ask your question in English and Spanish and you can keep in

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the same sentence, both languages. It's great. My kids, unfortunately, those big dispatch know a little bit.

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It was more like they don't want to feel different. And my son, when he was born 12th now, see a doctor in Spanish and then

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he went to a daycare and he was asking for our line. The neighbor said, Thank God, ambiance

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because otherwise I wouldn't understand it. We would worry about I'd like, Oh my gosh, what happened if you need something and he's not gonna be able

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to know and understand. So with that, doing some English Next thing you know, we weren't doing everything in English.

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And when I tried to take it back to, let's do a Spanish, he didn't he didn't want it. So I don't know.

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I think you just need to go for children. They sit on vacation and you would be bilingual. I think that's probably the best way.

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They learn a lot when my parents come to visit. Yeah. It's amazing.

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Yeah. That's an interesting story. Sounds just because especially when you with a medium,

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a bathroom, yes, I'm old drunk, but even when you say, Wow, I went and got my bachelor's degree, but obviously came here with I mean,

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it's not like you're not an educated woman. Here. You are making a life for yourself in America.

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I can't even imagine why somebody would say something like that, but yes, unfortunately. How many children do you have and maybe talk about your family life here.

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And did anyone any of your family come from Shelly like as well, do they move here or did they just come visit or what?

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Have two children and my son is 12. 12. He goes to Callaway. Zombie. I'd see things,

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guitar and that sort of thing. And my daughter, She's almost nine. She's also a whole bunch of capitalism. They they're great kids.

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We, my family. Everybody isn't telling everybody they had come and visit, but my pen definitely wouldn't.

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You know, that the point that they think are there, of course, I enjoy more having their kids around, but they can't.

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They're going to come in may. And usually when they come to sit for a month. And I have my brother

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was ten years younger than me. My mom actually was pregnant with my brother and my dad was arrested. So that was difficult.

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Thank God. His life. There was nothing wrong with him because he was really tough time to be pregnant.

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They almost at the end of the pregnancy and my dad came home. I think he was a little bit less than a month

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before he was born. So he was able to be there. My brother. He misled that they can all

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those that were forced to flee or you feel it's almost like this. They're getting used to having that around and then that had to

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be so and then the next year, same thing again, back in the state that for my dad was so strange

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to be mindful of making all these decisions and then data CA, trying to be the dad and a width. We don't do things like that.

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How do you know we're doing it this way. So it was really by the time they're getting adjusted, he had to go back.

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So Dallas hard to know, but there's something that I wanted to say thank the women in my family. I think they are very strong women and I

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think I get that from, from them. My grandmother, she chose an orphan, raised her hand. She had to be tough.

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We know that the brothers insisted that all separate in different towns because there was not one family member who could take all of them.

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So I think there were three or 43 or four. So one less than the south of children, the other one on the other one in the north of Chile.

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So it was really, you know, eventually they, they, they continue getting together. And when she got married,

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they kind of kept the family together, the babysitting and that sort of things. And so my grandmother, she managed to show him when she was alive.

00:29:42.410 - 00:30:00.940

She, you know, she was very strong, warm, and her husband died when he was sick. Make Louise who's really because I'm 44. So we have the food at home.

00:30:00.940 - 00:30:14.030

He was really young. She had to take care of everything. And my mom, you know, when when she was also dealing with my dad

00:30:14.030 - 00:30:24.780

being a concentration camp, she had to take care of the family was my grandmother. My my cousin lived in the house.

00:30:25.030 - 00:30:44.600

We had another class or my brother. So I think that's where they get their farms. You can be like, Oh, you've got to work it out.

00:30:44.600 - 00:30:54.320

You have to think about what are you going to do. And that's something that I noticed I do to bless the other

00:30:54.320 - 00:31:07.490

broke into my house and pull some stuff. We laptops or that sort of things. And and, you know, for my kids, there were scared to

00:31:07.490 - 00:31:17.990

be in the houses and okay. Let's sit down. Make me a list of y will make you feel safer. Because said the answers not to

00:31:17.990 - 00:31:28.730

move out to another place, we just need to make sure where we are in a weekend. So this the road about alarm system

00:31:28.730 - 00:31:37.550

than that side of things and checking that everything, it's close and we work on things like that, that was easy,

00:31:37.550 - 00:31:45.110

like a lot of things and they say for me to continue talking to them about it, about what happened and how to stay safe.

00:31:45.110 - 00:31:55.730

And really they're just pretty well to that. Really well, like they were a little bit scary and I remember talking to my daughter and I said,

00:31:55.730 - 00:32:04.620

You know, we can't let people learn how to phone home. You just take charge of where you are and make sure this is safe.

00:32:04.620 - 00:32:12.250

And with theta. And data which you are getting it in the class that you come from a family of strong

00:32:12.250 - 00:32:19.460

your great-grandmothers strong, your grandmother's strong, strong. You're going to be a strong. She got this big smile on

00:32:19.460 - 00:32:26.600

her face and she went to school, as you will probably find out the back. But you know that that's the thing is that, you know,

00:32:26.600 - 00:32:37.120

you got to taste things and I always tell my kids, say I was thinking about and for the longest time.

00:32:37.120 - 00:32:44.580

This is what it took. Broke into my house. Well, of course I have an alarm system now, you know, but that's what it took.

00:32:44.580 - 00:32:52.650

You learn from that data. And also, if they happen and people have so much, hey, they didn't have any wasn't that bad.

00:32:52.650 - 00:33:01.820

So every time something happened, I tell my kids. Open what you can learn about that. That doesn't sit up like beating

00:33:01.820 - 00:33:20.750

yourself up over mistakes. Learn from that. One. Else can go from a user so thorough, I guess since I want

00:33:20.750 - 00:33:34.130

to maybe can you talk a little more? I'm no, you were only 8910. Maybe just talk little more about some of the changes

00:33:34.130 - 00:33:42.450

that you saw that happened in Chile, like daily life or even just changes that happen in your town within the site of fan culture

00:33:42.450 - 00:33:58.070

after checking its power. Okay. But I remember even though with ninth grade, I remember the four chance

00:33:58.070 - 00:34:11.030

think the last year very difficult because the opposition to legal help with the homework, I have a member that they were

00:34:11.030 - 00:34:19.130

hiding some of the poems like Sure you could anywhere. So that's the graph market came. Second thing back then.

00:34:19.130 - 00:34:32.220

Then there was this government agency who would go into the stores and check their warehouse and they were fine. All of this product that they said,

00:34:32.220 - 00:34:41.420

they then did a big sign. No, we don't have any any wood, sugar, oil, that sort of thing. And then they will go and

00:34:41.420 - 00:34:49.700

the warehouse stock with dates I like how dated from hiding this stuff. So if it was still good,

00:34:49.700 - 00:34:59.960

there were put a big sign and said, You've got to sell it at the price that you had it. And that's when this long leg

00:34:59.960 - 00:35:13.630

think people waiting in line, long lines waiting to buy. And a lot of fun. Things that you see on TV when you,

00:35:13.630 - 00:35:20.690

when they talk about that goal of a man and people waiting in line with was because of that. If there were no hiding this thing,

00:35:20.690 - 00:35:28.460

there was no need to have all that happening. So up black market and all that. It was really tough and I remember my parents talking about that,

00:35:28.460 - 00:35:38.370

but that's how little I understood. Because when they were say, well, this is what's happening, You know, like they hide things.

00:35:38.860 - 00:35:48.770

They pretend that it's the golden rule. It's not beating their, you know, their people as though it was just very tough.

00:35:48.770 - 00:36:01.010

Then with, but till then I feel like that fear to the node in this tree with the ones

00:36:01.010 - 00:36:13.110

that peanut chair was in charge. And remember that I was so scared of that for me. Because when I was in college,

00:36:13.110 - 00:36:20.930

that's when the whole of the demonstration started. So there were times that I remember walking. I hadn't did.

00:36:20.930 - 00:36:33.340

It's away from college, so walk into to school and 10 around in the corner and everything was that nobody was there and

00:36:33.340 - 00:36:39.890

then I was reading I remember I had a test, so I'm looking at I'm really like the last, you know, couple of things that I had

00:36:39.890 - 00:36:47.660

to to read at that and I turn around and at both and that realize that, oh my God, it was a demonstration and

00:36:47.660 - 00:37:01.080

this should tear gas. And it felt right on my feet. And they opened the door there, the main door closed.

00:37:01.080 - 00:37:07.490

Like they just grabbed me and pulled me there. And they gave me saga, see who puts sovereign the U.

00:37:07.490 - 00:37:16.490

I fear that God saw that. So they gave me a song. And our sake, I cannot believe this. I would just turn around the corner.

00:37:16.490 - 00:37:22.520

I'm coming from home. I'm not doing anything. We're not yelling anything, you know, and and that that sort of things

00:37:22.520 - 00:37:30.800

and then coming that like getting out of the bus and they will come and this is sort of like like a jeep that it

00:37:30.800 - 00:37:36.980

shoots water but is that enough The water with it. Who knows what in there. And they were just pass and sion,

00:37:36.980 - 00:37:43.410

whoever was in there and I was just getting out of the bath. Nothing to do with what was going on in there.

00:37:43.410 - 00:37:52.730

And I went to a Catholic university. They were not allowed in the building. All the others, they could just walk in there and arrest

00:37:52.730 - 00:37:58.580

whoever they wanted to. When it was declared state of emergency thing, we're allowed to go into

00:37:58.580 - 00:38:06.950

heavy building including ours. So whenever that to that point, the police with just waiting for that because there

00:38:06.950 - 00:38:18.380

was so tired of Lake Pool, we can now walk into their building so they're all in there. And and and I remember leg and

00:38:18.380 - 00:38:25.700

one time they were going and going and running up and was like, Hey, floors running upstairs to the therapist,

00:38:25.700 - 00:38:33.050

Social Work School, a closing their doors in there. But because they knew that they couldn't just walk into

00:38:33.050 - 00:38:39.410

the office like you're starting, you're doing something and they didn't know it downstairs when everything was going on at

00:38:39.410 - 00:38:49.030

home that feel like the police will say something so scary because you couldn't trust them. So when I moved here,

00:38:49.030 - 00:38:57.120

I used to smoke when I first moved here and I went with my friend who was also from college. We want we would like

00:38:57.120 - 00:39:07.430

walk in to a supermarket, were walking with 930, the state troopers thought. And now remember shaking like, Oh my God,

00:39:07.430 - 00:39:15.220

this is on top of that is another lead which doubled that. I was just so scared and he said, Well, we weren't going with then we're

00:39:15.220 - 00:39:28.880

going to buy cigarettes. Think you said, just be careful because it's not safe for you to be working late at night. He has gone back that way and said,

00:39:28.880 - 00:39:40.460

Okay, we're going to only be nice if you really care about safety. That's the way it's supposed to be, but it's just that it's totally the opposite.

00:39:40.460 - 00:39:48.290

They are you don't trust then you don't know they could be null. They were like leading up P4. This treated people that had nothing

00:39:48.290 - 00:39:58.710

to do with really like talking about that abuse of the power they had. They just did whatever there was taken,

00:39:58.710 - 00:40:08.900

nothing, nothing that you could go and say, Well, this is what happened. Nobody who's going into anything about that. So now let's collect skewing of not

00:40:08.900 - 00:40:21.960

trusting right after the people, the universe, it and, or bad. I remember like you couldn't trust anyone with Cuba could say.

00:40:21.960 - 00:40:31.100

Having them and my parents, people were not allowed to eat in the house, couldn't celebrate a birthday because that was taken as you're

00:40:31.100 - 00:40:37.670

getting together and people start talking and they might talk about what's going on. So you are not allowed to do

00:40:37.670 - 00:40:46.430

that curfew or all of the women. The women were not allowed to wear pants. You will have pairs. They cut them so they could

00:40:46.430 - 00:40:55.690

differentiate between men and women on the street. Tracks pass in with, you know, with people like in a uniform with

00:40:55.690 - 00:41:07.790

with guns and that sort of thing. Also. There was really scared because I was there. It was kind of like, well, I guess this is supposed to be this way.

00:41:07.790 - 00:41:14.420

When to think about that. Here. And I see my daughter, she's the eighth and hour laws.

00:41:14.420 - 00:41:23.450

I'm thinking, oh my God, that was so scary, you know. And my pant tried to give me away from some of the things,

00:41:23.450 - 00:41:32.330

but also my dad taught about what happened to him because he said he wanted me to know no, to be porno.

00:41:32.330 - 00:41:38.910

I never happened. Just like that. There's many people that they kind of like the Holocaust.

00:41:38.910 - 00:41:47.600

They think that it happened that there are some people that they didn't know, someone that there was touched our way.

00:41:47.600 - 00:42:00.350

So they they just think, Oh, they want. But you know what? My dad, of course we had so many people that will disappear,

00:42:00.350 - 00:42:12.960

friends that arrest it to some people. They came back and fill in all the way there after they keep that because it was just to be there.

00:42:13.300 - 00:42:25.880

If I mentioned that socialists and why he was in a concentration camp, people have been thinking begin. You can arrest them,

00:42:25.880 - 00:42:37.670

but you cannot get CO2 to make him change their way of thinking. When food cross that we're sending food. And there were families

00:42:37.670 - 00:42:50.510

that they had no money to send anything. So my dad organize everybody in their hand, said there are some people whose getting nothing from their families.

00:42:50.510 - 00:42:58.820

So pissed socialist or communist tier I thinking is that, you know, have everything equal for everybody.

00:42:58.820 - 00:43:08.740

So she said, Why don't we put everything that we get when we divide it into everybody. And that's what they did.

00:43:08.740 - 00:43:15.350

And what he told me that I said, I need to do. Thank you. The concentration camp.

00:43:15.350 - 00:43:28.050

Because you think that way by the Thiele, you exercising, you know, that, that thinking that way. And it's amazing now.

00:43:28.050 - 00:43:37.100

I'll go with that. Yeah, Yeah, He's infants. Very brave of him to pass on historian, especially to his family.

00:43:37.100 - 00:43:43.940

Does your right. And you say that a lot of people that can come back from it and immediately shut down. And that's how I feel like stories

00:43:43.940 - 00:43:51.920

and things get lost. Yes, your strength, you can read about in the textbook. And God forbid, you don't want to

00:43:51.920 - 00:44:02.940

ever repeat that experience with other people. Say That's variables of them. Is there anything you want?

00:44:02.940 - 00:44:09.670

I guess I don't want to shift gears too much though. I was I mean, I was personally curious more about

00:44:09.670 - 00:44:18.680

career path Lake because you to get your bachelor's in social work. I guess. I thought you were going to be here for four years,

00:44:18.680 - 00:44:28.940

I guess what what actually had you envision you are going to be telling and 2.5th parallel to actually do well with social work.

00:44:28.940 - 00:44:37.940

Always know how with new, That's what I wanted. I remember I was in eighth grade and those story in the newspapers about child of

00:44:37.940 - 00:44:46.880

yourself really bind and start following what was happening to live. I was arrested and all that. And talking to my dad.

00:44:46.880 - 00:44:54.320

My dad said, You know, there's some people that can help with that is that you start talking to me about that and I said,

00:44:54.320 - 00:45:05.600

Oh, okay, I like that. Finding is then later on I was already studying social work. I find out that my grandmother

00:45:05.600 - 00:45:13.550

wanted my mom to be a social worker. They never told me that until I was already there. So say we'll take a look at that.

00:45:13.550 - 00:45:25.240

So my idea was after I graduated was to come here and I was thinking for years, I thought maybe while I'm there,

00:45:25.240 - 00:45:35.150

I can get my master's degree and then I go back to Chile and that would be great. I got everything that I wanted to do. Well, it's not that easy.

00:45:35.150 - 00:45:43.940

You will see this video shows on TV. Like you know, back then there were all the shows, but I'm thinking friends, they never

00:45:43.940 - 00:45:51.410

work in our life. You think about that? I'm like, yeah, not acknowledge that. That's the owl with I always tell people like

00:45:51.410 - 00:46:03.090

it's nothing like that. You have to work. So I never really was and I find out that I had to work and pay bills and the ones that I pay bills,

00:46:03.090 - 00:46:15.550

I had no money left. And with that, I said, thank you. Well, I need to work more to get where I want to be and then go back to school.

00:46:15.550 - 00:46:24.950

In the meantime, my husband also, he did it. He was in college in Chile that he didn't finish where he came here. He had to go bad,

00:46:24.950 - 00:46:33.940

so we thought, okay, I have a bachelor's degree. You really need to finish that in case if we think that going back,

00:46:33.940 - 00:46:46.690

which she was different, he decided he didn't want to. So he finished college. And then after that,

00:46:46.690 - 00:46:54.150

we we had kids and I thought I can't be dealing with that right now. Eventually, I'll do it, I'll get there.

00:46:54.150 - 00:47:06.530

So he was for his MBA. I still, I was thinking that that's what I wanted to do and they now realize really a master's degree.

00:47:06.530 - 00:47:16.420

Highlight that here. But I was thinking more like doing counseling in I can see myself talking to someone poor,

00:47:16.420 - 00:47:29.270

like 45 minutes, an hour and a half. Hi, need that contact with more people? Like case-management. I think I get more out of

00:47:29.270 - 00:47:36.740

that data in Oakland with the clients to quote, I'm talking about making phone calls for them and giving them

00:47:36.740 - 00:47:44.380

numbers and housing and social service isn't doing that sort of thing. So I realized that I really like

00:47:44.380 - 00:47:56.600

that part for them to therapy. So that's when I change the data in a good way. Am I like this?

00:47:56.600 - 00:48:08.960

I don't really need to do that. To go to school yet and then go to the gym. They fix them. So we got the gym.

00:48:08.960 - 00:48:15.770

I love all that involve fibrinous and all that stuff. So that's something that I have the change in the debate because

00:48:15.770 - 00:48:31.830

that's kind of like coin to that area. I would like to do something around that. So simple counts. Like more like a wellness center,

00:48:31.830 - 00:48:40.910

something like that. So that's the plan. Eventually I'll give their kids that grow in and you have to do other things.

00:48:40.910 - 00:48:54.210

But that's one of the if. There for me, it's a women always have been into working with me when I read that. And I think also growing up in

00:48:54.210 - 00:49:04.840

children and see it that way. Now, things have changed a lot. We have precedent which oh my God, that was a big step.

00:49:04.840 - 00:49:15.270

Unfortunately, he knows already here because I would have loved to be there, can be part of working there. But I know things have changed

00:49:15.270 - 00:49:25.130

a lot when I was in Chile, left in 2009. So I had been a long time. Things had changed.

00:49:25.130 - 00:49:35.030

It's a lot. But when I was there, you had to put a picture of you in your resume. And they would take if you

00:49:35.030 - 00:49:40.600

were good looking, you get a job. If you're not looking at you and you don't get that job. And I thought, My God,

00:49:40.600 - 00:49:49.700

my the only one who's thinking this is wrong and that we always thought my thinking it doesn't fit in here because people,

00:49:49.700 - 00:50:01.360

it's accepting that it's okay. And that was one of the ways the way I wanted to because I feel like I have friends that we would talk.

00:50:01.360 - 00:50:07.180

How about we go to the beach over the weekend? I don't know if my boyfriend want me to go and else that wound.

00:50:07.180 - 00:50:12.170

I keep up with your boyfriend. You have to ask for permission now if you tell me you that. Okay.

00:50:12.170 - 00:50:20.120

I understand that, but still that kind of things that ourselves lady just thinking. That's okay.

00:50:20.120 - 00:50:30.680

And I just don't accept that kind of thinking. So that's I think that was one of the things that you're pushing.

00:50:30.680 - 00:50:36.830

You're likely to lead to go somewhere where it's going to be more receptive to do that if we know that that kind of thinking

00:50:36.830 - 00:50:47.670

in that women always with the slick an area that I'm very interested in working. So I do that and also I do

00:50:47.670 - 00:51:00.050

parenting classes with then he became extremely rewarding to Sweden where you can embed them within a try what you

00:51:00.050 - 00:51:08.210

talked about the other day about the limited choices and any word yes. That listen. Sometimes even know if there really

00:51:08.210 - 00:51:16.260

are just sitting there or boy, they're really getting what you're talking about. So goofy.

00:51:16.720 - 00:51:24.010

I know that I speak on it to try to give advice. It's like I don't really know if your answer that.

00:51:24.010 - 00:51:34.760

Yeah. That sounds like an interesting path to take. Maybe eventually something worthwhile. Now, I never knew that

00:51:34.760 - 00:51:45.860

somebody would be interested in because Awesome, Yeah. I think it's things we haven't actually one that just kinda came

00:51:45.860 - 00:51:57.660

across chat for me. Have you returned to Chilean deal? In their fears? Or the beginning, it's expensive.

00:51:57.660 - 00:52:07.430

Round-trip ticket to think. Wow, 4000. So of course I begin with and then the budget to do that,

00:52:07.430 - 00:52:18.670

then of course, you can go with kids, that's even more money. And my Panther Fleet every year. So they're calming so thick of a line,

00:52:18.670 - 00:52:27.160

I need to go and have 3D. I'm just waiting for the right time so we can call gone. And since it expensive,

00:52:27.160 - 00:52:39.950

really have to go there for like nice thing to be careful I think is when I go back, I have so many people that I

00:52:39.950 - 00:52:50.980

need to visit and my kids want to see places and they talk about that. Let's say. We were talking about since my son all there now,

00:52:50.980 - 00:52:58.610

he could go and visit and stay with my parents. And he said everybody that I'm supposed to love,

00:52:58.610 - 00:53:06.860

but I don't know, like my relatives that I don't know them, but I'm supposed to love them. So it's funny that he's very excited about

00:53:06.860 - 00:53:15.800

the idea of going there and learn Spanish speaking, knows that he will learn that way. So you get to see

00:53:15.800 - 00:53:32.040

places that we've talked about our next poll and see those things, the house will be compacted into all that. But yeah, that's what I would like to do.

00:53:33.400 - 00:53:43.280

Do you I guess since you've never back and they don't know as much as their family as they would like to. I mean, how do you keep here virtually and

00:53:43.280 - 00:53:51.860

heritage alive with your with your kids like to you. I guess the first question would be, how much do you try

00:53:51.860 - 00:54:05.480

to do that and try to instill that sense of I need you to type climate it that means I can kind of because you know, what I have seen with family,

00:54:05.480 - 00:54:17.570

his dad. Thank you. Tend to isolate yourself and isolate. You're careful. You can think. Thin-film from the rest

00:54:17.570 - 00:54:28.280

of the other kids at school. So I had a warm data and wanting to feel like you just differing. We really tried to

00:54:28.280 - 00:54:38.850

talk about and that can revitalize sake. Will befriend. Know just, you know, where your pairs are from. The raised,

00:54:38.850 - 00:54:45.140

near the, that, that sort of thing. It's just that we're all different and that's what makes this so wonderful. They will all different might

00:54:45.140 - 00:54:55.550

hit since they were little. I can remember my son saying, I'm talking the Press and instead, which went because he had to and

00:54:55.550 - 00:55:06.920

he didn't say there was wide are the ones with blackface. To get into preschool. He said the one dark brown. Light brown.

00:55:06.920 - 00:55:15.240

And I asked him, where are you medium. I was like that's so would be do you know to see that that that that's okay. You see it?

00:55:15.240 - 00:55:25.700

And I can always we tried to do that, but trying to find a balance. So this DLD, no, they, they, they learn about children's stories

00:55:25.700 - 00:55:35.660

that we tell and we talk about things separate some of their foot at idea and cooking chili, cook here side of too many Chilean things,

00:55:35.660 - 00:55:44.630

unless my parents come, I asked my mom, I have a list of things that I want to do make when she comes. So the kids try some of those things.

00:55:44.630 - 00:55:59.830

So if we go put some point in September when the 18th of September we get together with this, the big thing that they do and celebrate,

00:55:59.830 - 00:56:10.850

the equivalent to the 4th of July. So if we do that and independence day and they go there and they get to eat some of the foods.

00:56:10.850 - 00:56:17.120

See other people now understand anything that's going on because you know, everybody speak. We've spent just two

00:56:17.120 - 00:56:28.820

You got to get some of that and also to fit in with everybody. You know that that's the idea. They can not just two.

00:56:28.820 - 00:56:36.300

This is your group of people and do this at different. So they really there that my kids have friends from

00:56:36.300 - 00:56:49.610

everywhere, from everywhere. They seem to fit in with everybody. So just trying to keep it balanced. We don't watch TV

00:56:49.610 - 00:57:07.430

because that's very like Central America. That's not really my theory. And in terms of music. So my kids listen to everything,

00:57:07.430 - 00:57:16.880

made my side, Let's rock. You know, they listen to some capsicum you say them isn't on Turnitin. You know, we listen to like

00:57:16.880 - 00:57:24.320

everything at once and awhile. I've based on Spanish and stick to it. They're like, What does this say? Like my board, especially in

00:57:24.320 - 00:57:32.900

a spectrum of lading, which is so hard when you don't have, you know, their practice of doing that and they have to pass it.

00:57:32.900 - 00:57:38.880

I'm like, okay, hold on, let me go back to that and cheats. You're interested in learning what ones I'm talking about.

00:57:38.880 - 00:57:50.720

And you know, some, some writers and that sort of things toward to land. And they, they have seen some movies,

00:57:50.720 - 00:58:00.870

some Chilean movie as to whether it was appropriate for kids. They can feel this or not. But just finding a balance.

00:58:10.960 - 00:58:18.990

Like FEV any of our questions, which is great. I'm just trying to go off on things. You said bye.