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This is Roberta Perkins. It's Saturday, June 18th, 2005. And I'm interviewing Mrs. Margaret west. Here is largely see Margaret see

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west here at her home into a method is country house in Greenville, Delaware. And we have asked Mrs. West to interview

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her as part of our iron Hill oral history project. This is west taught at towns in school, which was a one-room school built by

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PST upon as a part of the series, as a one-room schools for African American students in Delaware. And while she didn't teach at iron Hill,

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our hope is that her experience will give us a view of what it was like being a teacher during that time, during the 1940s.

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And she taught accounting. And what it was like being a teacher during that time. Was it?

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Okay. What time was it? Give me u Sigma 0.47. Okay. And games because rice,

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you tell me a little bit about that. So gas was rash and during that time adviser is these side would go to my tree and

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we've added the second copy them only a couple of illness and endocrine. Because it's a gatherer training. You didn't pay off the hidden stuff they did.

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Was it? Okay. So you did not live in towns? Where did you live or they didn't really think

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Dalvik point let East Tennessee. Okay. So how long did it take you that train ride take you to get to the school?

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Like it was a logo. Like the fastest I can say dicey say about this six o'clock in the morning, in the evening.

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Okay. I think I left seven o'clock in the morning. Abrogate the time for school, and I started, good luck.

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And I can share that sort of data on the children came by bus some of the most at home. Okay.

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Okay. Thank you. Who was Mr. Frank Henry? He's the bus driver. Tell me a little bit

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and I'm going to back out from here and ask you a little bit about your family. Tell me a little bit about once you got once you came to school,

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what was at school day like for you? What did it look like? They added every Saturday and they had a CIT program which you teach,

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buy as they wear the classes. And you go acquainted you there. Antes that being said, of a subject that I listed,

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it was it was helium nucleus because it's grabbed that venture. Jaime said, lunches with

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all these are served lunch at that time because they said, let's do these every really good to aggregate level skill

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or that my estate. Let me ask you, Tom, you said the state provided the lunches in the winter?

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Yeah. How did that you know, what how did that happen? Did they deliver every day

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or did you have a place to store the phone? Yes. Closet distributed food, and then we could live at the local store. They tantalising with this DICOM

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this out as suppose to give me everything. So all I did was pick it up. I think the states of light. And you fix you prepared.

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I'll say because I made the stim. Did the students any of the students help you? The girls, we have CTE,

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that device, table and activism. In the pace that they left in Washington. They're getting out of work and then wash the dishes.

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Sylvain fluid brush, cleaner. They like that. They're like little women. Could I OK. Know. Was there was

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sort of part of the holy home economics. Well, sense and not as a course sets from Nozick was. Because he didn't get her leg.

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7, sixth or seventh grade? Seventh grade. I also taught grades one to six. How was that for you? Very good.

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They're good. I guess why I guess what I'm curious is how did you handle cheating if you weren't, you adjust?

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Except that exist. And I didn't enjoy my work and I wanted to do that. That was one of my ambitions to

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teach because I was qualified to teach investment I wanted to do. But it down. And then in-country children

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are very, very different. City children because of these paints. They're like Christians and the payment space. Thank you.

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I think we're lucky. It do they help you? They it at that time that I need to tell the body to help

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with the little places that we've had, where they become and how thick the beverage and the definitions at the door. If I have really bad

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because we didn't have to pay for it. Electricity that the other deformities and she had reclaimed had made a big deal.

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And then every teaching a k followed her had to clear up. That was less visible than that because she lived in towns in

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and she wanted to eat EPA school. High school was not in session. She would go down and her Connie, she was from Philadelphia.

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Sometimes see people that they're honest country people. So she live but she wanted to make our money stretch because they only

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got a 100 a month. And at that time, pigs weren't as effective as they are near. And that would take care of it if

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you would. Economize it. Biblically, you live according to your needs. Okay. Let me ask you. You were saying that you

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paid for your own electricity without actually at the school records of the Belbin valence shell and credit. Okay.

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So the state do all the fluxes that we would have, that little bit of money would go to pay on yet that you

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get would be costly and they only stay there longer. I would say there are some that are sedentary. Maybe.

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David, I gave mine because I wanted the job centeredness. So the state did not so the state gave you a monthly allocation,

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was that it and that's how the electricity was pain. They may pick. Now, we had to pay ongoing that can sell

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the teacher the teacher had to make money they pay on while she was there. But after she left legacies deeply, cut it off completely,

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they could get they get out of an FTC that fall at me. She had to finish with you. So you had to raise money to pay for

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the electricity of the old bill? They there's a certain amount the state pays. But if you see that, okay. Okay.

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What did you what did you do to raise money to pay? The only thing is, is that they can

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see that will be Zaha, though. We had a dance charge a quarter and you'd be coming, you get handled at a soda,

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ADP gains, but they don't get that one. Had them. What if you want to have another handout? The valve and it was the school use

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for other things on the dancing or the swamp is how far from the, from the city, from towns and when they established this was in the city,

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but things like a rural area in a village, as the semblance of my brothers say that. And then that little village, it'll be less activity.

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In a rule, there's not much activity. Let me I'm going to get back to that. What I want to do is get back and get a little bit of picture.

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Obama, who you are. When, when, and where were you born? October 4th, 1900. Me. How many you and

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your parents who your parents? Gibson and LLC. Cause the airway? Jefferson. Jefferson.

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Jefferson, Henry Jefferson. Yeah. Listen course. They were very good. That is very severe and

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very devoted, very devoted. And there were 14 of us, wow, 12 today. Okay. Little my club and he raised my mother died.

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He weighs the less waste and less for Joan. He was a perfect mother, had a perfect father. He would take us to the woods

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in Nepal to gather nuts. He would take this on hikes. He told to us it. Tell us think that girls are supposed to.

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Now, he was a man, but YWCA girls are supposed to them. And he made a woman out at me because he would say,

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I'm taking the rest of that Jody because that is only horizontal line. But he said I hear that are sufficiently. So it took away part of my childhood bigger.

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I could do one last thing. I had to wash and cook. I thought I was in a pretty woman cooking. My mother had taught me and see

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mothers teacher pension, how to read. And I was a fry cook. Never had a chance to be homozygous for the language a lot. Yes.

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We had a good life. But he went to visit all of his children. They did that. They'd be lucky than good, clean,

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these really bad boys. What were your parents? From Delaware originally? Oh, yes.

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My father's people, they're from the East to show you now let me finish. My father's father was a slave. Sure. Ireland is interesting.

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He tell you to tell me all about how his father a skin barrier and then see when they get to

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certain areas surrounded all the white people were not me. They were sent that help us wildly. He had Railroad escaping the railroad with

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very geeky percent because among put them up overnight. Instead of them lost their phones because they have to slaves.

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And there's some people who live here me and they tell me how they have with the city. And then we take

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the principal busy teachers to just Mr. Johnson with it because it was segregation. And they sit right

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here today and they're very good to me today. This is a very relaxing because I couldn't have lived longer. Any place else like this are

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here because they get everything for me. I'm filling out those types of migrants. It's expensive. Otherwise you get That's wonderful.

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So you're saying your mother was she from the Eastern diabetes? Very little drainage because I never knew my mother's people

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as well as ideal much powders. We live them money. The father's theme, the gems is and the greens. And they aren't a lot of land in that area.

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As far as you can see? The greens. And my grandmother was Agree. Okay. Now this is a this

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is on the eastern shore area. You told them? I wanted to I can do. I can do I'm quite a variety community,

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just a little village. Because it was this seashore on a PC, arrogant when they caught the big Sturgis to this and maybe take out rho, car Kavya.

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And they feed the rest of the story to the hogs. Cows in a deal. They did a lot of fishing.

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I should be real grainy because all we ever ate was interesting. My father was a very good student. He dies.

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He have others. Very good word. But their lessons, in this lesson, my mother, but as educated as my father. At Boise case, something

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happens in my family. Did they avoid teachers and professors? What did you do? He was there either, but he was very skilled.

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He was a good provided very good. He didn't make a lot of learning any of them at that time. But they have the mother we see

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spending and they take care of all this. We may never fancy guesses, but we always had food, clothing, and we had his love.

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Desolate submitted something today that I need to see it when he came home, he my thought he'd been away forever. We run out of ATP it up.

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They pick up a younger sibling early in the morning on me, but yeah, I'll come around and get the kitchen all day the kids.

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And he can fire nice and on and candy and our shoes of he was a gentleman with a really bright He is shine and egg of a mammal,

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I guess an issue that because you know, your mother doesn't take any nicer oh, yes. You prodding. She's been spared rush

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to wondering what are your memories of your modern? Very crisp, very clean. She was she loved to wash,

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I guess just like it all at Washington. And she didn't go to work because of the children's same. And sometimes see we're taking laundry.

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Yes. Give her something else to do. And she's so I made all my younger sister and I wish she suggests is like twins

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was I didn't like very much because I'm six years old. And then she was she like to dress, to mind-map it as a fancy guessing at

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sisters and brothers in Wilmington month rather than ending. But she was very Zhao and she played with us. Jump in now,

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since it was just a happy family. I'm certainly that grip at the time. I really am. And my mother belong to the Church.

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They had the ladies a value. Never forget that. All she lived far with the latency, making pies, dinner cooking,

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and you know how they left the bedside. I could see an amateur chef. So here's my thought on that church too easy they used to and they

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had to walk for miles to the search. And David Eaton, life rarely do you see the one of the big book the book goes into.

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How do they handle that walk with the weather was bad. Depth of relics to be anything. But there's many rows

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then you're walking in a crowd. The distance shortcuts that you bring crowded. When you're working alone, it becomes lousy.

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But we have all the buildings within one mile autopoietic, always never in the village. And I like it because, you know,

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you can zone you that plagued the bugs, insects, and had little pets, cats and dogs, you know. So it but I am very happy. Very happy.

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Did you have your own personal pet? Other sisters and brothers, we I guess that's a good one. Nice thing. In EPC gets so

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big that everybody can have a cigarette. And all of us, I think, and my brother and my sister said, well, we had dogs and cats but not enhance.

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It could mean that there's enough of us in the house with that keep our animal. And we were taught to know how to beat.

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We always hear when they're footage, I hate it. And they say, Why should feed at night, help with them very feel amongst green seeds.

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No way. It puts, it was really nice. I enjoyed. And even though we had allies, family,

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if a family we didn't need any company. We got along. So many people, children don't get a loan. They're jealous.

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But we never had that fountain pen pal omegas in a play with each other. We want to go play with other children. And mama would say, no,

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there's enough sodium here for you. Maybe that taught us to work together. How many African Americans were in that area at the time?

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Do you remember what Yes. Yes. Liveness. Their families? Yes, because they had to

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close my father's uncle. They needed across the scale from us to do that. Yeah. And then yeah,

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there are three or four by o only thing that area. It was like a little, little settlement. And inviting own hero hope

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that this point they wanted to do. Everybody wanted to have their own place. And thought, I think that that's the child has said, Guess what?

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My grandmother their lesson plans. I'm I'd like my grandmother. And I see my mother dies. She came for so long.

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But see after my mother that they were older sisters and brothers, I came home to take care of us. And then when they click,

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you can play them. That's when I was filling in. But then after I got rid of the old grandma, grandma lived with us and says, Hey grandma,

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they basically do a lot of Bayesian month ago because you'd be like big coffee, slices of bread and butter. I can then remember

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that you kinda like a slice of cheese. And we end up with very good because we could go to the store. And by any pain we wanted,

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we were not supposed to as older men for money. Powell had senseless. Tell us that. You don't Is anybody and you don't let

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anybody give me money. Anything you want, you go to the store and bought began with an alcohol. And you don't take money from anybody.

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And you know, back then they didn't know a lot about safety. But they had that motivates, you know, things that we encourage you to

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go with them like big because they showed you go, man, look, right? Oh, no. You don't do that. Go with anybody, white or black.

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And we didn't know a lot about segregation because they're white people, various pores, liver, or we played together.

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So I get an experience allowing segregation until I got older and start going into some of these complexities.

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And schools like the University of Delaware. Paper down, let you talking how much we need to, so gotta make on all around.

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As the University of Maryland to tackle papers, reports. Tell us how he sees from Mississippi. Makes you feel selling theory.

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Now who was this man? He did. Was he a teacher? I did.

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The Australians, the teacher of ages legislated Temple University. But there was another man inched up with it. I teach it.

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He was very good at heart. He gave me a book to me, overnight. Pages about the Chinese life. I went to the library.

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The librarians hear people suddenly he is because he died a couple years ago. I was she saw me, she

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knew because I went there and I told her I had this book to me and I cannot read it over night, all of it. And she said, Well, thank CMC game

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to a paperback form. An octet is 2010. So the next day I was gravely, he couldn't get over

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the fact that I knew all the answers, all the questions that I put Chinese history. He couldn't as the anything that I was very late.

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And he gave me a B. I see. Did you see that? They're from Kentucky and the place where this is like here,

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that equals 50, but they don't want to get too close to you now. So it doesn't bother to the guy, crossword puzzle tonight.

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Welcome either polar or not MIT. And I'd, anything you see in here, I've done, you can entertain myself out of the company. You think that was as a result

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of the way you grew up? Where I yes. I've always been a loner. I can mix with people. But, you know, I joined

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the company in Germany. And the fact is that women found that I'm a teacher when they came out here.

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The amount of requests using a lot of class who asked you the question of the residents because they want to check to see what extent

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you had a good knowledge. But they are very nice to me and they had to get a lot of praise with some things that I do.

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Thank you. Now you have to be prepared to endure in a nice way. You don't always have to be rounded.

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You get challenges, anything nice way and menace than when the carriers. What? I want to go back, you mentioned

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a couple of people when you went to Temple University, Delaware, you mentioned the librarians, a pensive,

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and that's a typo in Philadelphia. In Philadelphia. And you mentioned a librarian. What was her name?

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She was in Wilmington. That library was a well-made thing. Either pay me. Okay.

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She has since died, they get home. I will pursue my seesaw on the audience. She said. Okay, I said your faces ability to act

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or Wilmington larger to say yes. Hello. In the people along the way. They don't forget your manners. Again, I was trying to

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understand the connection between the library and helping you with the sense from me that I live in Wilmington and community to Philadelphia.

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I went on a train. I drove I could drive Philadelphia that I love to drive the places I want to get as three a's.

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Well, yeah, it is hall. What was your grandmother's name you talked about your grandmother, Mary. Does that mean?

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Hi course, Sea. Rose. Mary, Mary Elizabeth Greene grows. Is that g are reanalysis PRO S, S.

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And that's a basic SHE SSRIs tissue is of course the integrands. Then of course the CORS see why. As we went to school

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the teachers down, I mean, the only way he says C-O-L-O-U-R SAE. 10. Course, the dots are welcome as well.

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And with very New Jersey, that's the way these validator and as flashy anyway. But that's not the way life of course.

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There is a quasi to his grandfather was a requesting that George H. Jones.

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The reason, please, my great, great, great, great, great, great movie sisters. My premium with us.

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His grandmother was my oldest, second, third on the system. At this point, I'd like to also inject that Mrs. Wes,

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great great nephew, Darrin Blackstone is here with us also. I don't want to leave at anytime somebody sitting on the science.

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Okay. Let me let me ask you, Mrs. West, about school. You were born in Delaware.

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So what was school like for you? Where did you go to grade school? High school that they're quite pin school. One query to see

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in the elementary grades, that was grains. Why do you say it? Then? I went to middle school, grades a nine.

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And I left there. And I went to high school. And I finished high school or DevOps, state is normal.

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Then I went back to college. So I spent about seven years. I bellow state. So the state. Okay.

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So at what point did you how you relate to me right now? I know off her yet since doing the interviews for folks here,

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C5, breaking his salary. My folks are from Eastern cults, Maryland and North of cuisine. But his disciples.

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At what point that you started teaching? And actually I think I almost answered my own question because he went to Temple. He's going to tell at University

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of Delaware then you went to Temple. We had to go to summer school. Sometimes. We mostly red in our example, even in the editor.

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So after Delaware State, you were there for two years. I was there is no normal allele and two children.

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And then I went back to is Collins. He hasn't was it credits at the time? It was acquitted by bedtime. So I got her basket size.

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The best advice would be to education. Okay. And then from there, yeah, that was it. Then I started teaching. And I taught first

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I substitute service slogan. This date I substituted well-being. Then I substitute in my history those play. And I search and seizure cases though.

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Everyday students to inactivate that globally that the Bosporus and sensitivity. Since your edges.

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Though, that is a that has small children. And my husband, I see when I went to town, important than the Middletown, they gave us chance to JC,

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I think that was seven or 86 on my little town to play every day and see the trace back to this,

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bring us to this in the morning. And they stuck. I think I can show the Odessa the way that is authentic people.

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Hey, pick up their data. How did they can't even see the whole calm state? The smooth part normally.

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See graduating Tennessee became a teaching partner. But they went on and they said, is that the gala state

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to most of the people that study kept up that way. Now, you Sue mentioned they picked up people along the way.

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So lonely. Okay. Only in Odessa. See I was in the country

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that they've got the people and click them. And then they came to our anytime. They think that the Israeli went on to Odessa. Odessa.

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That wasn't David. Buss. People get that money. So was it for you being picked up,

00:34:12.650 - 00:34:18.520

was it the same person all the time? They use their own car. Okay. They have their own cloud because

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that's how they use their own car to transport the mail from Wilmington to go to court painter. They didn't have a net assets.

00:34:30.020 - 00:34:37.880

They use their own call. Who was the person that go here? Do you remember? My cousin edit Zazi.

00:34:37.880 - 00:34:52.430

Your sex is bad. People are very industrious. Why aren't they? Yeah, they hopefully move, I move the amendment.

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Well, they didn't even have a shirts, a white pen that we had a hole. And that hole is only going to galleries city.

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They had chariots there. And they live right next door to the whole key to share as well. It was another church.

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They bought shirts from the white people. Present church. My bad events such as T2. Because we always write this for

00:35:21.200 - 00:35:36.430

amounts that are unhappy with students. I can try closing. Wait a minute. I was a janitor. I was quote, clean,

00:35:36.430 - 00:35:43.020

I guess $0.07 a mile. And she'll tell me, how much money do you make? What is your ears? Did you go to college?

00:35:43.020 - 00:35:50.130

And if anybody ever not treat you as an IEP when you were in college? And I go back, okay. I'm I going to get it and then I

00:35:50.130 - 00:35:57.190

go back and I do my job. So I think the one thing that we take from that is an experience that as an educator,

00:35:57.190 - 00:36:04.170

I know my history because if you're more of a sequence, weathers on whether I'm on television and in Brazil.

00:36:04.170 - 00:36:11.610

It online, you know, chocolate across the country speaking publicly, you know, her name crops off because then I

00:36:11.610 - 00:36:19.350

have a benchmark of things that I can reflect on in terms of the way that I teach my students is all there is

00:36:19.350 - 00:36:26.620

no complaining calling out of my mouth. When I listen to a mortgage, when I have she'll tell you a little shovel, I bet.

00:36:26.620 - 00:36:36.820

How many cars you that you have a nice home. You take your mean and you take your cornea. So you All right. So I don't I don't we don't complain and we

00:36:36.820 - 00:36:45.470

and we preach that not just me bother family members. And that's why I do my best to celebrate her legacy as an educator.

00:36:45.470 - 00:36:57.890

Wow. That's where he became when you work with other people. There's so many Catholics. The way good, yes.

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They're jealous simplex, you're doing a jealous of healing itself and they'll pull you down. It became, you tend to be milestone.

00:37:07.040 - 00:37:15.170

Did you work with other people? But you're working alone. Here now is add the feeling you get when you're

00:37:15.170 - 00:37:22.870

out there by yourself sailing night in your DAW any yeah. It's a big and a supervisor to come in and some of them

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because I had it published Florida and it was very good C1 to just anyone I used to go to my sister's eyes to look up,

00:37:30.320 - 00:37:38.630

see more seamless, very good or very good student at high IQ. And if I mark something wrong on his paper, he would not go to resistance.

00:37:38.630 - 00:37:50.600

And that what was wrong with the air. But because he wanted the deeper and he'd say people all the time because in Florida, exclusive under the black and

00:37:50.600 - 00:37:58.850

they had their own supervisors were here. We have links to devise. He was from Florida is nk log k and z. They were never in

00:37:58.850 - 00:38:07.570

that white principal entity. But here we have white everything but there they are bad. And he wasn't used to.

00:38:07.570 - 00:38:14.600

He said why these white people that you had to deal with p's and q's and know what you're doing. You're never knew when they're about

00:38:14.600 - 00:38:20.450

these we're giving you there. Okay. So they ever do spot checks here and yet isn't

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it that towns and sit down at the integral areas, what we're saying, let me ask you, what was the name of that school

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again, the towns and slopes. Just towns in elementary school. I forgot the district consent. But it has high court can

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120 to see my first one. That was his first school, utah is we're going to see here with the C stays voice gallery.

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But I like working with that myself. But when I get to male side and then the different they were 40 Atlas. And there were 4 first grade teachers

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aggregated for. And of course, you know, some women had been teaching longer than I thought about it. And they resented me coming to new ideas.

00:39:13.740 - 00:39:20.890

So what was the school is so Mill side and only a first name. That's okay. I'm browsing. Ok.

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And then active off all that development during wartime tier. Then it was badly. We get a new school.

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We moved closer to my going to win at Memorial Bridge. We will pursue that way. But why did you why

00:39:41.770 - 00:39:52.280

did you decide to become a teacher? I I really didn't want to be a teacher. I wanted to be a nurse. And this is getting very, very personally.

00:39:52.280 - 00:40:01.090

But my brother came to Delaware State will see my but they tried to follow me, whatever I did. I had said to you that

00:40:01.090 - 00:40:08.980

exactly they wanted to do. He came to Dell or a state given the money. And I had money. I was young girl,

00:40:08.980 - 00:40:14.980

a young state that was write your own chips because my positive you want to go to school. You go to and

00:40:14.980 - 00:40:23.310

save you money because you don't have a muddy. So I've got his willingness to meet in that summer to work

00:40:23.310 - 00:40:30.190

every day and this SDK and she was really good. You choose white because he's good. And every summer I was

00:40:30.190 - 00:40:37.970

working for seven years. I save every penny, saved every it because I wanted to go because I had made

00:40:37.970 - 00:40:47.250

friends that I want to go back then. And he didn't have money. So I had to pay his tuition for the first subtask.

00:40:47.250 - 00:41:00.470

See, this cut my money. So I didn't want to see, um, uh, you know, weight down dopa from port where he can all hear you.

00:41:00.470 - 00:41:09.690

Sir. I paid for you so isolated when I came to nurses who they are and we're all set up as blue.

00:41:09.690 - 00:41:19.640

And the judges that may give me a little reception and everything becomes 0. So then I had to pay because I love my brothers and sisters.

00:41:19.640 - 00:41:25.670

And they always thought, you know, the work, you got money. I feel good. It sure.

00:41:25.670 - 00:41:36.170

So I pay this week. So then I had to settle for something else. I could go why nursing. So I close their eyes while I'm here,

00:41:36.170 - 00:41:48.720

I may as well stay nicely and paid nothing that the subjects are for our image it. And I don't, I really don't

00:41:48.720 - 00:41:56.620

pay all because that's off with the bears is here. The benefits. The benefits.

00:41:56.620 - 00:42:07.600

I have full coverage. Um, do cross ratio, they think Okay, Dennis, they go Okay. I'm as they go pay a lot of it.

00:42:07.600 - 00:42:19.680

I'm glad I stuck because the teachers and the salaries, of course now my pencil is his greatest. Darius's got a base.

00:42:19.680 - 00:42:36.500

It suffices launch and you got the casing and maybe I could use more, but he's got the CEO. Epa had a fondness for,

00:42:36.500 - 00:42:53.670

remind you, make the best advice he had. This ends one side one. The does here. So we'll take retailers don't arise. Okay.

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This is tape one, side one. Okay. That will temporarily Well, let me ask you a question here

00:43:00.630 - 00:43:10.940

about money for going to school, teacher scholarships. As a result, a PE of working well, I guess I should ask you how you

00:43:10.940 - 00:43:21.060

came to work at a DuPont school, how you came to work in towns in school as a teacher because I understand scholarships were provided

00:43:21.060 - 00:43:32.720

for teachers or time they needed teachers and teach everybody going into war industry and see how that plays a role. But I have him as a demo.

00:43:32.850 - 00:43:48.660

So I'll just write that I'm willing. When I first went to Georgetown, I taught them Georgetown to almost out of life because I was

00:43:48.660 - 00:44:00.760

teaching seventh, eighth grade. And I'm only qualified teachers to sit ahead and leave that PCC. And the United States

00:44:00.760 - 00:44:09.250

it if I update in elementary school, they couldn't move. How does currently I think really began. That's where my elsewhere.

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And even though they were good to me, you know what I live with and they were very good. They like hawks are simply

00:44:22.030 - 00:44:36.830

so I wanted to this day anymore. So you taught you taught and towns and but you lived in Wilmington? General had when I landed in Malaysia or

00:44:36.830 - 00:44:49.370

Georgetown to the My mother-in-law, colors are so yep. My children they were 1012. And that was all.

00:44:49.370 - 00:44:58.200

She had children too much overhead, learn to live with other children because they had always had their own room

00:44:58.200 - 00:45:06.800

and their own things. But now they have to share. Because they live with their grandmother or your children's names.

00:45:06.800 - 00:45:17.470

Patricia and William. William wave was the supervisor of social workers in Philadelphia. And Patricia is about clay,

00:45:17.470 - 00:45:37.290

clay adapter, fairing. Really good. Cape every two weeks was really good. He went to Morgan. She went to

00:45:37.290 - 00:45:49.790

Philadelphia secretary school or something. Yeah. But what was it like living in momentum at that time? He was but we just bought

00:45:49.790 - 00:46:01.850

the house when I started teaching. My husband died five years. Where a moment in the foil is testing to blast the MOSFET on testing.

00:46:01.850 - 00:46:16.520

Okay. And he was in business for himself? He was a mechanic. He was very good. Welcome to our state 2. That's where I met him, too,

00:46:16.520 - 00:46:25.190

but he didn't like it. I like it because they're smaller. They can have said You can't be serious about it everything.

00:46:25.190 - 00:46:41.360

Because sometimes it might be that time. But after you watch our server, he didn't like them. Even when he was teaching at home.

00:46:41.360 - 00:46:56.360

Is also recognizing. But he was more serious minded. Philosophers. I think that's wrong. You have

00:46:56.360 - 00:47:09.930

a sense of a new era. Tell me a little bit. You said the state had a set curriculum for teaching the students.

00:47:09.930 - 00:47:24.590

Did you anywhere? Yeah. Not to add Harvard. Currently. Provide services such as Butler and others responses

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because you can read it, It's only right, there can be resolved the problem. You have to be very good. You really do.

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What were some of that? What were the things that you taught? What did the state? That is the first one.

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I changed that are rare and I'd been reading the first thing in the morning because that's where the children are fresh.

00:47:52.490 - 00:48:00.440

They come in. But toward the end of the day you have BB, They all tired and sluggish. It's hot. They can concentrate.

00:48:00.440 - 00:48:11.580

Concentrate. And we did that. I react this with it and see my school was built so that the sun in the morning.

00:48:11.580 - 00:48:27.160

We had a lot of labor still at most and many other western side. But now they had Southeast Asia and Anthony, David had such studies

00:48:27.160 - 00:48:36.580

with geography and history combine. It was combined when I start teaching, but my analysis do they were separate. They separate maneuver by

00:48:36.580 - 00:48:48.550

the school history and geography in a second. But then they combined search histories and wait for the little ones we have, reading and writing.

00:48:48.550 - 00:48:58.120

Some things that really can be done in the afternoon because the children, they are there. They are tired.

00:48:58.120 - 00:49:09.830

And if it's hard, work is clone of storming. They aren't buying cars. They can concentrate. Sour, reactive. We have well, they have really but I

00:49:09.830 - 00:49:19.220

changed it when I went to the other school. I change that around for them to I told him, Well, we have our lead engineer. They have a meeting in the morning

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that's when they're more alert and cause someone marginal Marcello and that practice yet. But now they have breakfast.

00:49:28.690 - 00:49:36.590

I didn't sorry, pregnant. Because IF onshore Country Joe and Karachi people as they do when they get up,

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they and I didn't have disciplinary problems. I did have a couple divs, this disciplinary problem. One boy, Henry, risky piano kept

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show and I went to the eye, let the actual disease they grew up. I'll be that movement ends in a country. You can do that.

00:50:00.640 - 00:50:11.930

The whole class will get the mom. Is mom or sorry. Yeah. Because you try Killing. From that day on.

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You could hear it on mouse. Serum, amylase, scared christianity, and move from there on. I never even read and digested here.

00:50:25.220 - 00:50:38.890

She can see that then I had another, William Fisher. He will just silly, silly. So the supervisor observe day.

00:50:38.890 - 00:50:48.300

He did the wrong thing when you make this survey, that with row, she can go home. He tagged combat.

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That bothers any other year. I said Yeah. I make the root IPO. Jemima become the perceives misnamed good

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logisim has a relevance. I should go home, time all good things. Has a good logistics. Peaches and age where the search,

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you know, that's good. And best was super nice to be there when you get that. And we know that we had C with them,

00:51:23.630 - 00:51:43.310

say they don't behave yourself the best worried Mr. Ellis, thereby frontier here. Everybody else was my class. That will produce a nice Durkheim

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the same it would you believe it? They come here by here to this route signals because I don't always entertain them here.

00:51:51.880 - 00:52:00.480

I go to a language because it does what it's supposed to take our guess to the land. And we have many languages.

00:52:07.330 - 00:52:18.640

When I initially, when I spoke with your nephew, he said he mentioned to me Utah phonics. What's the first thing you start

00:52:18.640 - 00:52:30.640

that Let's go first, opens. That way you get started. But because that helps with ballet, it halfway pronunciation. We can pronounce.

00:52:30.640 - 00:52:43.340

Hi. My father's really taught me that because he will have his day, even if syllables, he never he never conducted his rights.

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He, if he will, Jefferson, FDR, ethylene course, it's the OR as the one you always really bad. He always wrote the syllabus and

00:52:55.190 - 00:53:04.310

he made his work. He wrote the word theory. And I knew I taught flow rate. Ellie, who could other teachers

00:53:04.310 - 00:53:18.490

could that teaching degree? I taught him to be the final performance. So how did your father come to spell that way to write that way

00:53:18.490 - 00:53:27.060

because he thought he started to just go past the way the teacher was teaching plan is that HIV aids Day in China.

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And when you think about it, you break the word. It is always. So he could get

00:53:38.500 - 00:53:51.880

the buildup rapid every line could be. Some very interesting. Did, did your school have a library to remember it?

00:53:51.880 - 00:54:01.450

It was a lie. Most no way. Ellie costs we have this one I will bring in. But I like the dairy

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to determine the elementary school, middle school, and high school right across from a 100 times. I've been a year and never

00:54:14.840 - 00:54:26.360

set foot on a lane 3 year. That massive about the challenges. She was very encouraging and she was good. She goes to her, she will say,

00:54:26.360 - 00:54:32.240

you're doing more in this one room school over here that they're doing in. All of them are doing in school.

00:54:32.240 - 00:54:42.090

A lot of it. They were socializing, talking about, it's instead we call it j. And things like that. For them, they were being paid to teach,

00:54:42.090 - 00:54:52.230

surely stay in that classroom. Now they get dizzy word, joy, column questions. And they'd be at socializing in China.

00:54:52.230 - 00:55:02.630

But the black teachers, the black teachers at DMI, we will dedicate, we wanted the children to learn and wish that it will enter.

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That you'd be surprised if they did. I go to my school getting the best, Merida. Diversity equity back when she said she don't teach their children DNA wound,

00:55:17.870 - 00:55:30.380

she will be doing what she's supposed to do. Teaches at Dudley Edward tentative way. We do things that when we are anyway. So far here, that's quite interesting.

00:55:30.380 - 00:55:38.550

He knew what to do. And then every time they suggested daily like optimism because you said on nitrogen that they've

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got because you say mitosis and then nitrogen. Linen, service it with black teachers or show more interest in that p.stance.

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We're glad to get. I'm the same way with these black waitresses and waiters. And axioms are going down.

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Salicylate. They know, I care. And I tell w patriot because United much, they will pay minimum wage, cheek, cheek or pay people.

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But not cheaper for me. But, you know, we just stick with black. Because we're black. We can stick There. Are no longer

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here Shi Da Vinci, spaciousness. That is likely that the shuttle main difference between the civil power.

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If you're in a place like this, you just can't be a hermit. He got to be afraid of paper since I don't have to comply

00:56:45.250 - 00:57:02.300

with and the patient can be so strong that they save your intelligence. So other than the books that maybe

00:57:02.300 - 00:57:12.730

you brought in extra for the students, they didn't have a library that had never laser. So many of us who are doing that segregate,

00:57:12.730 - 00:57:23.750

segregate into Teams, books from the white schools. And they use all books, geography, history, readers, what they owe.

00:57:23.750 - 00:57:34.780

But see if you don't have a lot of fancy stuff today till now and you can learn to use them. And some of them will have names

00:57:34.780 - 00:57:43.750

in a brand-new never. See they do. Is they book? But I put a name a to C is to

00:57:43.750 - 00:57:52.630

show us that it has the news, but a new tab levels the new brand here. Did. Most of our books were heavy.

00:57:52.630 - 00:58:07.300

They're very sound with that new sound. That is not the quality. So people did that the students have to clean the books up in any way to

00:58:07.300 - 00:58:16.870

prepare themselves to, to, to use them. Or they learn English dirty, we wouldn't use it. But we dig flowering

00:58:16.870 - 00:58:24.260

protects that we're showing. So in hardcover, Zheng put a cover on the book. You shopping bag, news,

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a grid, but you put a cover on to keep it nice. Play the next great segue to the next grade is going to use

00:58:30.250 - 00:58:38.100

that book to write. It wasn't a book. Take home and keep know they were there to be used.

00:58:38.100 - 00:58:46.040

I'm I'm jumping here again. You mentioned something about the superintendent. I'm Dr. King and

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I think it was a superintendent. And you said you did some sewing for pursuits and Isaac supervisor see people coming in?

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Yes. And the supervisee ethnicity, this fellowship in London, crazy magic, arson. And she would come and they would observe you

00:59:05.000 - 00:59:16.160

teaching whatever Utah teaching. And you had to argue less than K because the less you guys don't do that narrative. In a resume, while they may lesson plan,

00:59:16.160 - 00:59:24.680

she'd look at your plans and sick you would teach equaling to the players that you follow a manual which showed you had

00:59:24.680 - 00:59:35.390

it all to say and what to say. And after YOU used to so much and become the new Baha, you didn't have to open the book to teach.

00:59:35.390 - 00:59:44.660

And then we have workbooks to go to follow to see how well you had taught is that children can't really comprehend and that she'd

00:59:44.660 - 00:59:49.130

go ahead and check that work too. Well. They did believe those teachers I've worked in

00:59:49.130 - 00:59:57.800

his little baby, really bad guy. When you said they really got it, then you cannot see there. Teach them the guess.

00:59:57.800 - 01:00:06.360

He'd walk around and see if everybody is following the directions. They understand. And I didn't have an eight element

01:00:06.360 - 01:00:16.010

to the end of my teaching career. Feeling that you were by yourself. And then input a one-room school. The job, the great house,

01:00:16.010 - 01:00:24.500

the great delay, like that. And they don't do it bossy. They go in and surprise the top. A Zhao can help

01:00:24.500 - 01:00:33.470

another shell because they'll say, Oh, you stupid that you take that from a shop that began to become an adult. They can help them to grasp

01:00:33.470 - 01:00:43.160

at sometime in the teaching. What about the health care now? Did did did I know you said you were hundreds rather

01:00:43.160 - 01:00:58.490

dangerous come in or a little. Okay. Because you some town, I don't think the singers came one time. Staring. Certainly they've

01:00:58.490 - 01:01:06.650

been assumes only got away and chipping guarantee or eyes or something, I'm going to give money or anything.

01:01:06.650 - 01:01:16.940

But you've got its own or in your country then some of them anywhere is to be when I was teaching. But now there's no, again, narrow.

01:01:16.940 - 01:01:33.740

And what hell is justice Degas. We had a physiology book, isn't Let's call. And we, we, we get employees from their Abbey era and what to wear.

01:01:33.740 - 01:01:41.900

And once I know what warning Alice teaching hell, they want in the afternoon. And our someone with breakfast

01:01:41.900 - 01:01:53.860

and weren't boys it is around. Davis said all the nice thing is because a library item work in college. And he was saying the egg bacon and

01:01:53.860 - 01:02:03.710

he had 0 and yet the hearing aids. And Neil and I can increasingly chat with them. How Canada Nice account,

01:02:03.710 - 01:02:12.680

which is an IEP for opportunities. I said was wrong because my sister said I have had them to an

01:02:12.680 - 01:02:24.020

Ansible care when she got her breakfast, he said vegetables. Vegetable soup. Well, you eat what you had Ebola yet, but he was that make it so

01:02:24.020 - 01:02:32.300

much fuss about the boy who had the best breakfast listed, William Davis yesterday. Yeah, I'm a dancer. Yeah.

01:02:32.300 - 01:02:42.720

They were very good livers. Are there to place on a highway on 13. Yeah. And you know that this specific image overlay,

01:02:42.720 - 01:02:58.910

but say you what say legally. And then you teach them about area, keeping the window open, air coming. My mirror, the teacher is telling me

01:02:58.910 - 01:03:12.200

or my advise a AR companies cracks because he has them. How do you know in the

01:03:12.200 - 01:03:24.230

old houses you look up, you go look at their birthday is really awesome. You can you can tell

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him but they can't follow. You. Go tell them. No. You didn't tell

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me anything that they can always call. What about some of the other teachers that taught during that three year period that you

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taught it towns as you know them, did you get to interact with them socially and academically? We had here we had the teachers needed.

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We had at the ESEA on that list was at a meeting of all the teachers and download it.

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Hey, and then we can enlarge in Harlem needed. And these different speakers with the whites and neglect,

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they have different principles to speak at the meetings and tell you things that will happening in your work or the different things

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that we are going to affect you as a teacher, like insurance. And then we got the NEA and they were a year means

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like MBAs and I don't hear them. But that isn't what I did onto. And they would bring this plays out work. Hey, like books, workbooks,

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all kinds of workbooks and all kind of helpful hints. Crayons and pencils and things that you could get your food,

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get yourself to and through teaching. Okay. Who are some of the teachers at that time that taught? Did you know?

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I know some of the couple of the teachers that come up many rider you mentioned that a lawyer because

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E and C I knew she was from New Zealand. My children, my little girl, a small peptide, and she wanted me to send her to school.

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But I'm willing to send their children to have a really sick, they can enjoy their childhood and play. Now sitting in school is too hard for them.

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They are linear because I did this the air-filled chambers in and get a sum of the girls. I went with a dollar estate and I'm new

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to them in Bernie Sanders. Favorite people. Yeah. And then teach Glasgow. I can't remember whether she did

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I know other than that. Yeah, because you get to the point where it came up as you can see, the presenter.

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But I'm doing a lot of the teachers because they were dealt a state like bigger. Okay. Even upper stage.

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And honestly, did you ever get together, you know, am I teaching to compare notes? I mean, it just even amongst nodes. Note we got you.

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Okay. Awesome. Who got married or divorced and a little less stuff. Ooh. Ooh.

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Yeah. So why So as far in towns in what was your experience at an a mere told me that, so I apologize.

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But what was your experience with race relations in towns and answered it while you were teaching those that are a problem for you.

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Now, I let the sexy way to white people live. And we said that the Grand Hall, but those people would have very good. Eight When I went in town,

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there were no pattern because it's a small, tiny Lucy. And date that if I hadn't found a map is at the school and I went to the store,

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but still keep it may sound the mic. I lunchtime my pipe for us to do that. I could have written over here. And I'm going to get the

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type because that is don't put it on an amine still advancing. What, why are you main city around black density

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has to go down there and put that one up for you. Tell you that the mental model, somebody named Mr. DuPont, black me.

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Move this a little bit and put the pipe cookie no time. But I'm going to put it up myself. I was determined because

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it has got to get cool. See you in the fall. And I didn't want to miss a lot of A's because I had like there are

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things that if we miss a lot of clothes, school was closed. So a lot of maintenance on the school didn't get it.

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They maintenance advice in childhood, the superintendent and they would come right away and get things done. And they had all coal,

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wouldn't feel not good. Complain about I think they supplied the school high school. Okay.

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They've done later on. So they keep me ask you one last question for today. What did you do when school was out?

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Summertime. What did you do during the summer school? Highlight? Because honestly, if I

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didn't go to summer school, I worked in private home to supplement my income. I will judge, XYZ is I kept

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the bird. It's only thing I did. I went around and I went home. Now he was a judge in in in City of Wilmington, judge eyes.

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And then Iowa. I couldn't go too far because I had children. And I'll go back to the case where I didn't go back there.

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She was very nice to later. But I will get low phase like that's it. If I was to shove read from is his bedside, but I like to draw and I could

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drag an identity bringing my Philadelphia way. Any place you want to go, play bridge, I can go there.

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So how did you happen to get that job? They're going to eat this. You just apply for? Yes. And if you get a good employment agency, they get good job.

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You paper. Not that much, but you got the idea. One. Okay. Then you go to the state of play. There was the employment agency.

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The other is me and my sister grew up my baby sister to her because after I went to list down the state,

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she could not their home by herself. She did that. Employee. Misses that jumps as they've actually I got my first job, my file, I believe the word

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ui and work or go to school. They didn't do either one or the other. We'll get a tape taboo. But he was that good.

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You work or you go to school. This is last. Thank you so much. This has actually been a pleasure. So I coming back to questions.

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Thank you for your time, Mr. blacks, and thank you for your time. I'm sorry. This ends the interview.

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This is tape one side too.