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This as well heard of Perkins. Today's date is Wednesday, July 26th, 2000 2006. And I am here I have the hub of Mr.

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and Mrs. Bates Hoffman, his wife Peg here. And I'm at their homage hours bill pennsylvania.

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And want to thank them for taking the time to share their memories of iron Hill and in their involvement with museum.

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Very well. Can you what I'd like to find out first photograph of you afford that putting the recording

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if you give me your full name and date of birth and where you were born? Okay. Margaret Daniel's Hoffman.

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I was born in the New York City on July 23rd. 920. Mr. Hoffman, venues come. But Hoffman I was born in Lawrence, Kansas.

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April 15th, 19, 20 okay. So how did you come to me once from hydroxy out that out there. But at a corner.

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Okay. What brought you to Delaware and iron fill in particular, was that your first stop in Delaware?

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You want me to go as much as whatever you're comfortable with right? At that job with your pods.

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Delaware, Florida, small home on iron pill on last accurately on the south side of well splat on the north side of iron pill.

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And when was that? That was back in 19512. And we limit theorem, so 1976. Okay.

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My children grew up mostly. How many children? He had? Cocaine.

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Cocaine. So give me a little bit of a picture. What and moving there at that time was for you,

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what did what did that area look like? You know, roads, people, you know. And I will ask your questions along the way just to kind of get us going.

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Yes. Okay. First of all, we prefer the country and unless country or the big farm and

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Paranthropus where the turnpike toll booth, that wind farm. And we had the whole of iron Hill for our backyard

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with voice trails mistook. That time was not apart into its own mostly, I believe, plywood per iron company

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who did the mining on top of the hill with foldings around the frames as you or Laura can find if there is a lack of iron pill.

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And I don't know if the data that it gave all the owners of land and this would be way back. Okay.

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I will have to ask her because I don't know what she's going to share my eyes. I saw it many years ago

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and I just want the names and I happened to meet steel worker whose name was on there and it's like you said, Whittaker, higher income countries.

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Iron mills iron company. Okay. Okay. Because their focal bit behind us on until the man who owned

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the farm in front of them as little a LatLng. Okay. Since taken over? The turnpike and Turnpike, I smelled his name

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ethical, well-paying have LLK. It would be good if you could get one of the focus at what was his full name? I can remember.

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Thanks. Hassan was already at one time was a blacksmith. He would say to my kids. And I think one of

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the daughters who was named Elwood fire or something like that on the fabric stop shop and new things done.

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But Titus should know quite a bit. I don't think the older folk are living anymore. Okay.

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And so Mr. Folk, that land that's now I am not in the lab to e-mail strength and says South Hill Road.

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Okay. Okay. And also some land behind us. He had sold the land

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that our house was built on. Okay. And eventually he sold it to the county. One county was making the land on iron pills.

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Do you know how many acres I want sorry. Yeah. Just curious. Why I upload that. There was a trailer park on a year 1896.

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Few houses long sides. Then let's brighten. When they start to build the turnpike, a straight road out and took some houses out, developed the overpass over time.

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Okay. Down trees and that was pretty voids that I believe. I bet it's just it's so very different from what you what you want.

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Yeah, we use here frogs and powers and staff only left three or a b or a flux flowing that, hey,

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there's a little Sjoerd fell it saying, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I bought him thrown

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the hill on the top of a hill and say, yeah, what I believe was I was told was a caretaker for the lytic or ion.

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Kids, call them the harm. I go back and I'm seeing remnants of his house, but I doubt of that lattice.

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The layer was up by the big coal tin. Oh, okay. Okay. I think I have I had yet to hit a tour that I hadn't done that.

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And there's some couple columns on the top line. Things are older. People would come up, fish in there.

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We could scrape there and whether worked very well, go on. Google Scholar. Don't pay them. Okay.

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Okay. Do you remember do you now when they stopped mining? Law right now, is that I said now this but I

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certainly had told us off not that good. It was long time ago and far away there. That weird one bit or someone were to come in and get Rocco.

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One sprint when they propose broken apparent hi, Yeah. I'm acquiring firm rock. Crust dropped from the

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current in our trial type. Is that right? So did they mine it? Did they get they tried to sneak in, but unfortunately,

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they asked directions how to get your equipment up. Of the man who was head of the Committee Against have McLaurin.

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Okay. Now, what was it that tribe sneaky equipment in there you've got. Okay.

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I didn't know if it was a particular company or it was open. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So it was a private company? It wasn't?

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Yeah. What what what other than you were saying that the iron Hill area crew you because it was country and you like to

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country and that kind of thing. I mean, how did you find out about the iron hilly areas specifically, did you research did

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you have a real estate agent? Had a real estate agent we just saw from our house and we didn't find those and how they hire. Okay.

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Okay. Okay. It wasn't a close proximity to the part where you work? I worked at stein lab. Okay.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know I used to work. So tell me tell me a little bit more about that community.

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Create for you in 950, 50 want is when you move there. Okay. And how many houses

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were near you or around you? What was your day-to-day life like before you were out in the country? I went to school on the school bus

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supports on the on the east side or less, plus the berms family who also want to catch hold up a plan that Bobby Burns still lives

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in that house next to the house where we lived. And I don't know how long his family. Okay.

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And then on the upper side of this was grilling says and then you may have met yes. Robert? Aye. Aye.

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Aye. The interphase nucleus, the Lewisburg with their kids. A's.

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Okay. It'll never nice. I was Laura called me about a particular incident.

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I want I asked you about that later on. Yeah. Okay. And of course, when we were there, it was still time of segregation says, okay,

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plus kids went to school with iron, nail and then down something that'll sound off and went to high school with us a long time.

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I was an online. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Went into Miller. He had what what was that?

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How did your children interact with the black children in the community? What was that like for the two of you?

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You know, you're moving to an area, I guess New York City was a little more progressive than black name. I will come threatened

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and Thursday I go on to school with black children that list no problem, right? Right.

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Right. I don't think the kids getting their stance. My understanding, there was an upside that they

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had to go to a separate school. Yeah. Now, you had to take that long right down the middle down, and made a long day for you.

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I just interviewed some lowest some members of the lowest family. I don't know if he knew them or not. They lived on pheasant valid.

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They live near us tackle, right. Cluster lifecycle mating. That allow kids went to Sunday school, Yeah. Okay. Okay.

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What you mentioned about the Granted it's probably a good time to ask and I'm like, I might be stepping into it a little sooner.

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But down, Laura was telling me that there was an incident someone broke into your house or at least wanted to blame right away?

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We knew well, I definitely go with the little kids that live on with the road and that they were while they were traveling,

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just spent hours as the mother, single mother, and he had no control over them. Right away though. The police that lactate next door.

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We said now. And actually then turn that to be those goods movement. Another problem with my daughter had them working as a waitress.

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They took all of our tech my money there, but I found them with it. I often wondered what happened to those children.

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There was a petition to allow some form realm. She didn't sudden side and have two children will gather there.

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And one of them opens, select it. I don't know what it is that they're okay. Everything that they could say they could live with this.

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Boy. Unless you know exactly what was going on. It don't go to worry to be attached to them, whether they can be very

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convincing than what was her name, the last name you remember? Well, lady by the entity or the law came up with I

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might be if they're still around, it might be kind of a thing move that violates their houses down, up. They weren't poor yet.

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And there was a big fire on iron hill. You pick that up and you're you know, it was a place that was loudly relevant there, so yes,

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I'm wearing well, before they started the turnpike, we moved out soon after the training was completed.

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And it took several houses on with the curbed road. It was war on the south side, on the museum side was

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outside that burn several acres. Wow. Does anybody know what how it started? I don't fool you something. Lots of excitement. Specify self,

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but that wasn't near, you know, not, not narrow down the hierarchy, kaiser. Oh no, not that trees. And so how do

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I feel houses hell out of the ground? For the original? That was a big fire. There was a big fire

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and lots and lots of fire. Wow. Was it what kind of get you as it was in summer with a hot with it. The reason that it

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will backfire anxious spectrum. After the leaves, it can go. Well before orders. That would be somewhat around

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the fire departments records. Heck, yeah, as of lately, brightness. Is the bandwidth important. Linkedin, we are rumors that they were

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bootlegging nonviolent like that. I did it over and then that's all you know about it. All I got to provide them up here.

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Still up there. I was told that it would've been interesting. I mean, it's quite possible. Oh, yeah.

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Just how, just because of how dense it is. Even that's not that dance now, but I worked on what Bohr said. Some of the ways

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that you enjoy, you know, life. There are now lots of Franklin is all over that if L Okay. Peaks and we take them for a walk,

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something good for the world to work that goes on a hash or a concert at our own personal property. There was no MRI.

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So what would the rows like? There wasn't much traffic. Not much traffic. And of course that was,

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there was no law in 1905. And Edwin wrote there they all belong or picas in mind for it, someone who was paid

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the current going into the town was painted them apart from now timeless, whether the widens, the one with the larva is interesting.

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So when you now tell me now you sit when the wagons were going in, they would be heavier but coming out they'd be lighter.

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Bomb wagon when I'm going into Wilmington or new or more. And maybe under payment toward more distorted.

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Let's say that it was just probably just common accepted TO 28 and kind of like that, right. Interesting.

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That makes a lot of thing. Do you remember when they change that? Well, I like both. I became facility.

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If they stay paint both sides, there's probably people get a farm is not. Sooner. I have more cars were less likely.

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You'll see the changes. And more cars, more houses, more people having in particular just don't work that way

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more out of our 95 was the big change. Yeah. Yeah. There are some very upscale houses there now it was not

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an upscale weightlifting. I can name at least four properties than had been the plumbing Pokemon that it's gone upscale.

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Did you what was it like for your children? You know, how did your children enjoy gray? Yeah. Yeah. I played a lot

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with burns children the same age. On girl VO1 property between two houses that belong to Mr. folk, the Keq for a right away to this lamp.

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In fact, of us playing a lot their head, when they grow up towards the gland or something. Goofy like afforded in there.

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There was a portrait. It hits the floor. Yeah. All right. Drop. Like I said, I think that they enjoy it

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to whatever one of the things that you did you do in that area, you know, it's like well, I guess I guess I wanted to know what was the community like?

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Like if you get to know your other neighbors around with maps and no neighbors, I guess act from there, likely is awesome.

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Weren't tied into the new art itself. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

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And in what way? Well, let the church say I'm okay. Accurate than the schools. Since then, tied with

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the stein lab was just starting out. There are a lot of new people in a social club there. Okay. Tell them about this time that you'd stein

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lab experienced embassy say I was just starting out. Yeah. That iterates. It was known it was

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set to start with to go through discovering and developing gut Mary products. For Create Convert pair says,

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What can't assume switch to, to go in looking for human. For me, it was a great place to work. They were up.

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My country didn't have the formality of downtown, won't wait on the T-shirt. And they the one thing I liked it,

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They told me that I could, as far as I got my project running. They wanted to, I could spend 20% in my time working on amazing.

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They wanted to. And I discovered more Purdue quantum number that 20 percent of my time to no actual project.

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Okay. So that they're really encourage you to research. And secondly, on your own,

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I think of I think as time went on, I think I changed. It changed. Yeah.

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Now and I talked to anyone from way back, they say all your work, there are the Golden Age where they will work and we allow for SQL.

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I work at the experimental stage. Yeah, and I started there since I finished two years ago. I was on a boat team that developed

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the new big research building on the central research. Unlike science from 0 to honor Ethic experiment.

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Building 28, a hotel that's billing 320 a that's the big central research and development. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's what I finished up. Most of my time was in the Ag department,

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which was a lot of fonts. So I got I got that the next time. A little bit within your orchard? Yeah. That kind of thing. It was different.

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It was a nice It was a nice change for 19 minutes. Hoffman, did you or I see, you went to Cornell amass

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are as learners briefly. Okay. In New York City. What did you do?

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I work in the streptococcus. Sort of like a phone. So you were in size? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I got my bachelor's in Brazil. Vector 0 Zhe. Okay.

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Did you like it? Well, at the Rockefeller Institute. Yeah, I like that. I was in London.

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I want to get back. I like that. Yeah, That was nice. I'm plugging. Father would think. I would hate.

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It can be interesting or it can be a wild place to live. I think. When you when your husband moved into the area and the cell down,

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you start having children, work school. Did they start out going to that was thermally time or the baby boom when they were building schools

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right and left and Miller, what the letter started out on me grade in that class rooms and education building there.

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And then she moved to sexual. Why that? I'm trying to remember the other daughter. My thumb Abdel buses

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and they felt less parks as he went to which part? You want the Christiana junior high. And went to Christiana opening

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for senior year once a year, Christiana, Ohio. My Bentonville. One mirror. It's always tell my kids roles.

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All I see is that they liked those experiences, that they they are they ever call about it? Yeah.

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That was good experience, I think on the on and off. So you can just shift that. Anything else?

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Yeah. Yeah. They were they were they were happy with the teachers and

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the counselors in the direction that the counselors pointed to. Some of these questions I had, let me think. As you're kind of some of them are kind

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of catered to you. I'm sorry, Go ahead. There were remnants of farming where lab side of spread readily does

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some fairways broken down lock on between enters place and the next properly? I never did find out

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who owned that property and then just beyond that, the drainages live. Okay. And I'm proud of us was all clear

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and that was a big meadow. And said, from our house looking less than one day, as I hit fruit trees, roots here,

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which you can't possibly find now proudly for phrase-based still be there itself in a lab or two questions that,

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that very few questions for me. The farming. Was it primarily dairy farming in that area or cook chicken. Chicken.

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One of your best friends, they are the Tammy's who led a chicken farm lot, Pleasant Valley Road,

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which is now sells home. That place, cells home, and stuff that looks like on my science, the AMA, same size as the church,

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the little search with you that just broke up with you and your husband, be willing to just kinda crawl

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a little rough map of the area of where where, you know what it looked like when you were there and boom there

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from White House and then orchards you now no, it doesn't. It can be as wide or as small as you want it to be as well.

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But I'd say that encompasses much for this. This is take one side too. And I was just previously asking the Hopkins they would be

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willing to create a map of the area that they lived during the time that they were there. And I've got a bath beside the Tammy's

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where of finished. Finished. Okay. We're finished. Families down and gaps and little a or your eye.

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So that's some of what we're getting at and that's how they curiosity because it's on some of the general picture there.

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Lara wants to create two around there. So that's always very interesting, very interesting. So however you want to

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create that on whatever piece of paper, get out, it doesn't have to be fancy. That would be great. That really, really helped

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me out with wealth, right? Hey, just give either make myself or Laura call. You thought you might at

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this point might be easier to get me far. Yeah. Yeah. That would be really good for you to see

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that courtly flourished club and that was in that record or to move forward. How did you decide to be involved in it?

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Must have gotten great. Afterlife. Absolutely was a bloodless our peg or that was going to be a question too.

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Very well. I know him. Add another forays leader. Okay. So you probably

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got you involved in the 48 you think, Oh, I help you. Yeah. How did that happen? He was with Muslims,

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had a program for children. Well, what's f? Now the ice? Or someone act out

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their friends of ours and no longer carry what was the name again? A's are not Ohio. Okay.

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And they're they're a sudden going over and help and bothered. And Nelson who are pretty close to the beginning

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Anthony ACM network around never say Lisa. Good night. And thank rides. A couple of these are high school kids now. A couple other boys,

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and then they would come and work with amazing and width. And I'm Bob Nelson for Daniela and the analog worked all day there

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and then we're using Thursday nights and weekends off. What? That Hitler, that. But then a lot of common ground,

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good school, enthusiastic. You got gray again. Now this is your side. Yeah. Update.

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And or after Walsh said I was sitting around too much to paint. Very grateful out. Yeah.

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Before you retire getting tired. Okay. Got it. So when you got involved

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that with about when? What year? Wow. Roughly timeless, quoted in 1974, subtracting 3 if that separate them from the outward from

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them more in the map on your way around the seventies, 1970, so forth at the Natural History Museum in London.

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Sorry. Okay, that's why we started thinking, well get started. There's a natural history mindset

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that Bob was interested in this tree. So some of the programs that we'll derive anymore, what was going on at that time?

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So someone says They shall aways. Neurology. Okay. She goes, Okay. Yeah, they have a lot of

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ethane as you well know. Is that so when you first value I'm being, was how wicked the building of fighting side. I mean, if I have an awful lot

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to help prevent from cephalic name that there's not a lot I'm saying is there then at once you can do.

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I don't think I didn't know how far to create a museum. They had gone for you that involved? They asked him pretty well.

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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cocoa. And he had all the goodies in there by

00:35:14.810 - 00:35:28.230

the time I was like, Hey, they kept adding some but there were several that included people aware to a lot of work. You can town.

00:35:30.280 - 00:35:41.460

And so how long were you involved do you think? Probably from the 1970s until you get a stroke which is Here's a doubt.

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Okay. Welcome to kill. Most, mostly gotten there at the end we are emotionally quite crisis

00:35:53.900 - 00:36:08.510

of sadness and just kind of gave a lecture on the history of iron. How do you analogy that? I run in the lab that

00:36:08.510 - 00:36:23.550

we did someone though Native Americans, the area to Indians. Collectors page to really likely in the classes.

00:36:23.620 - 00:36:38.170

And then Guevara talks about how involved they are all voting. And had gotten four or five women who come in and

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end the beginning it was all women. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Tell me about some of the programs

00:36:49.310 - 00:36:58.370

that somebody was there, anything about some of the activity, some of the content, but stand that pretty more than others.

00:36:58.370 - 00:37:11.880

While I was Eleanor algorithm or something that attracts. And he was an Indian skeleton. Yes, he was. My way to the last phase

00:37:12.520 - 00:37:24.730

where the Indian stuff mostly as now. Unfortunately, you say with broken insulin amongst the things that land was held,

00:37:24.730 - 00:37:35.970

Elmo's, hey, remember going on next day to see what is go on. Bob hadn't yet and I looked on the case that wherever that Lewis.

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And it was sometime after that when the Indians, when the current Native Americans, one of their ancestors,

00:37:48.540 - 00:38:00.300

it really nice and very angular. Sure. Rest of Alma was properly theory. But the kids critically, they were told

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that they need the malnourished so much Elmer's glue that we assemble a phone. So I'm not sure I buy that.

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That's the effect, that stuff. So how was how my skeleton can be in the thing? What I had was lying down and that

00:38:20.870 - 00:38:28.970

was really great in with he in that area. But I don't even know about a particular client never looked if I do that, let me have it yet.

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And so when the elders, I'm assuming it was probably the elders of a particular tribe when I monarchy. Do you think? Yeah. Where do

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I let Diana Copeland Anika. Okay. I'll say are active and that little one or a 0, they weren't up and manage

00:38:45.650 - 00:38:57.220

everything on the left, isn't it? Okay. Yeah. He could come from anywhere. Now, if there's a traffic that's running or weizza tray that's less than that.

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And that's why his hand got Stella. So when Edward oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Get really terrible market.

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Yes. So when I say Carol, the market is it creates a lot of dishonesty on. So which where was he? Finally, Barry was a

00:39:18.970 - 00:39:28.950

very good Delaware, Pennsylvania. And I think that would be very effective. I don't know. I guess because I never heard about

00:39:28.950 - 00:39:39.380

or I'll have to ask Laura if she knows about that. That all he or she came through. Yeah.

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Thank you. Yeah. Of course. They all always liked them. That fluorescent mineral thickness of that

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so that they can hire new deposit fat, the fat by the weather. He said That's it. Let's not iron minerals don't see RS.

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Okay. Tell me a little bit about that. Never heard that. Her whenever I see a virus,

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must go out there and I'll give you a lecture. Yeah, The silent ultraviolet light on that was that activates

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them off a bit of light reading around that. But once we had were from all over the UK. But there's a lot of the best places in the world again.

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Or as a midtone north of England, there's a centrist, a good plot that bad iron fell after and dy, mouse died, was shattered.

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Practically. Nothing happened at the museum. Shape tap that together. That's a van and he just lost less than

00:41:05.580 - 00:41:16.790

that and almost went under just sat there and nothing is happening. And it's under the control or

00:41:16.790 - 00:41:28.360

the sponsorship with the Delaware Academy of Sciences. And then here's another name. Go on.

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And there were a woman that would be really helpful in getting a feeling for Delaware nature society. More than I enjoy.

00:41:40.960 - 00:41:52.020

When sheets I'll call separately, have to hire somebody to be there. Take charge of this. It's not going away and they're listed.

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There was quite a battle. Plot them like that. I hired the first or the golf, wanted everything done, blah,

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blah, blah, blah. What do I need volunteers ready to take a job that so they hired their first museum director

00:42:16.790 - 00:42:23.540

and that was Terry. And he like he liked archaeology and mineralogy. So the emphasis we're

00:42:23.540 - 00:42:37.760

not done yet are our three. For voters, the Indian big out and back. They put his stamp on it. And then getting Paris's gay.

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Listen, thanks to one big one. I've seen anything. Okay. Yeah. Signals. They all they all I added there.

00:42:46.670 - 00:42:56.510

I Oh, yeah. All of that to like to see it breaks down into plants. More natural history, again,

00:42:56.510 - 00:43:05.960

too many programs for their children, which is very good. Then they hired laura. Laura is going and MLR in

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history and certainly yeah. Will then impact upon the area. Yeah. Yeah, that's been interesting watching them different.

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Who is a MD directors with a split there? I'll stay. I found that as long as she took over the museum shop shop.

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No hospitals who gave it to me. So I inherited for a long time. Yeah. So so so so the old guard of the time that they have

00:43:47.120 - 00:44:01.280

a different museum directors working in voluntary. Yeah. Well, it's very findable for, let's say somebody that

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needs if they hire good people. Giving us a little bit using a minute, can I ask you folks about your experience there?

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Let me let me let me get you back out into the community a little bit. Edit. Can you think of anything about the museum, please?

00:44:29.600 - 00:44:35.000

Just jump grant with it. That's fine. Politics and area. What was, what was it like

00:44:35.000 - 00:44:50.660

politically lot with the political climate. I mean, anything from voting. But both buying or will you all involved in any way aren't particularly involved

00:44:50.660 - 00:45:00.940

in political and I would say bearing feel when our knee, where either people who would do who that actor.

00:45:00.940 - 00:45:17.220

He went around and interviewed people for Democrats or something. I guess. After a while you came back once,

00:45:17.220 - 00:45:35.980

told me that one person you talk to us about what party in what President. When he said he didn't know who was going to go forward,

00:45:35.980 - 00:45:56.410

one of the occlusion power, he didn't know my memory or that. You've told me. Do you remember the servers were very local?

00:45:56.410 - 00:46:07.130

Yes, sir. Okay. Whatever happened more than 90 far. Because they immediately impact, yeah. Right. And then more concerns

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about I can't remember any problem. Blocks, I guess, than or grace and not at the time. Yep. Yep. Yep. That by the time

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you folks said you will definitely want to do couple of years later that they're brown and birth don't support those inquiries.

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Jiang integration was really went to Stein. Stein ask well if we set up a bowling league and technicians and back on the North facade of variables.

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We want to tell. And I think the leak still there because that glucose in one of the editor or Scotland live

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Christmas parties where I had to go down to Wilmington applied a place of wood does have a party with a mixed.

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So integration was pretty strong. Remain discrimination is what many industrial and discrimination, yeah.

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And you said and you said you had to go to a woman can define some applicants, products when we are

00:47:31.820 - 00:47:45.690

in a particular neighborhood, I know Ben Stein lab would pretty well integrated. Got along pretty well.

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That's the picture that I'm getting from everybody talking to me than the iron Hill area, people.

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Definitely incidences the United Kingdom business rule as it was, it was interesting. But for the most part,

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things that crop up will correct it just pretty much. I think I think yeah, they just worked out.

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Fine. I think after a while, your chair, what I'm jumping around now. Military. Did did either one of you

00:48:25.220 - 00:48:41.570

concerned with military and the family? Anybody going to war, muster have brother was killed in the war. Here and I went into

00:48:41.570 - 00:48:57.690

maybe you've never been on a ship. Because my tour of duty was in the biological warfare research human and Frederick, Maryland.

00:49:02.170 - 00:49:14.770

Thankfully, parents done prior events and meetings. Yeah, I think I learned that my grandfather my grandparents sense right.

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The orders for that right now. Yes. I'd been excused for the graph form. I will draft board who were

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supposed to be very tough because I was in school. And then when I was at the trick, I got something out who was working with him

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was in the hospital. They're pretty here out of it. I got a card that said that the state board and it'll

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remove them when I was to report in two or three days for my physical exam, I just gave it to the colonel in charge of the hospital.

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I don't know. That was the last word. Rapport. And I just have a role to the C's. Are present ever heard anything? Okay. Okay.

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Did God are quite interested in military? Because today when you could you could join if you wanted to. I know. And now

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we have this milk still valid here. Hopefully that won't happen. Yeah, yeah, I'd say it's a while businesses. So hopeless and so on.

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Forgot. Oh, wow. Factor I or afterward. Thought that that warfarin? Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. What else would you like to share about? You know, you're living in Iran and especially museum, the museum,

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I think this really kind of is a big part of your life. There was definitely for, for a while and I am

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an idle we are really, really well together. We're working five days early. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what were some of the things

00:51:39.230 - 00:51:45.150

that you were doing in the exam Besides he gave you give me your work, the book made a gift shop

00:51:45.150 - 00:51:57.290

that you can have tours and that kind of thing. And creating that they have. And all the administrative staff bury,

00:51:57.290 - 00:52:09.560

there's greater stuff I'm going to record. I'm trying to keep money enough coming in. Well, that time I was there. Pressure grew over time.

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Let's conclude this broken within our noses. And now they talk about, some of them will either talking about it as bugs well,

00:52:22.840 - 00:52:35.800

or you know, they've already see they have a buyer. The architect for the new learning facility. Yeah. Lots and lots and lots of them.

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Yeah. Incredible. They don't accomplish when he's always a dream big, but a far cry

00:52:48.520 - 00:52:53.860

from the little hairs they have. Yeah. It'll be interesting. I have to I have to get up to

00:52:53.860 - 00:53:01.910

date with bar to find out what the time frame is. I guess it was about a year ago. And they say three to five years,

00:53:01.910 - 00:53:10.460

they hope to be into the new building. So we'll say normalcy because i'm, I'm I'm curious about it myself now. I'd like to see it.

00:53:10.460 - 00:53:25.100

Move back to a school house. Yeah. There was always thought let me go back. Yes. All 1s. And then bringing Laura and I

00:53:25.100 - 00:53:36.020

guess with her interesting that that aspect of history made a good point. At what point did Delbruck had signs become

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involved because he was saying bottom hours for okay. So they were they a classmate impression I got.

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They were responsible for maintaining trait segregate the building. The fact that it's still in good shape as it had belonged to the yes.

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No. Arcs as coders. School? Yes. School? Yes.

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Wow. Very fond of a museum that lowering setting when he was a kid. It was female inequalities.

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Children just love that sort of stuff. And that with this band. And a lot of some of their exhibits went to one of

00:54:18.320 - 00:54:32.170

the Du kannst Barnes, DuPont family, barns. And Bob always worried about what happened to them that they've always had in my life, they had Natural History Museum.

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He was talking so broken up. Sorry. These main business. I said the environment then Academy of Science was

00:54:49.010 - 00:55:02.510

looking for a project. So that was the beginning of it only found this property to learn to live and they sold. Or they solve

00:55:02.510 - 00:55:17.030

a health literate restrictions for $1. But right, are restrictions that has to be used for educational purposes. Or he finally got that his mission

00:55:17.030 - 00:55:25.970

when and where it's OK. And Bob was active in the neurological society at that time.

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And what a lot of help, help with getting things set up and also cross. Here are a couple of archaeology

00:55:40.480 - 00:55:58.730

has donated a lot of the NAD and artifacts and so forth. Setup fat client. They've always worked them with a university.

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They had the practice. And I better. After a while. The academy was sort of the rank of a museum,

00:56:12.140 - 00:56:28.430

but then the museum has its own program. Money and coauthors, quite a bit of almost antagonism way the museum, the academy, the same pressure

00:56:28.430 - 00:56:39.180

was afraid that kept me, it was trying to take over museum finance. Definitely. I guess the best organizations are

00:56:39.180 - 00:56:56.610

a few types of Wilkins. Wilkins happen. The collection and what was what was the name again?

00:56:56.610 - 00:57:02.720

L Wilkins. Okay. I forget he's probably not alive anymore. I'm not sure.

00:57:02.720 - 00:57:07.910

Okay. Okay. Did he he was involved with the music that he wrote in

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the area or just other than Pennsylvania. Okay. Okay. Yeah, That's not me or not cancelled?

00:57:18.440 - 00:57:28.820

Nothing. Because I know that's one of the features that Laura has. The geology days or

00:57:28.820 - 00:57:40.830

something there once or twice a year. They haven't Native American aspect. And definitely was, this was an attractive young woman

00:57:40.830 - 00:57:59.980

for a while and I feel a single track this the SW hookers, right? Yeah. If she managed to try to help. And this was W2 again, parallel hello?

00:57:59.980 - 00:58:15.620

Yes. Yes, it's okay. Okay. He mentally how do

00:58:15.620 - 00:58:29.870

you feel about the fact that the museum, that building itself is going to be restored in some manner to the schoolhouse

00:58:29.870 - 00:58:38.860

with exhibits and programs. And, you know, I say that I think it's fitting and proper and I'd rather

00:58:38.860 - 00:58:46.530

more of a loss of Illinois, is that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I can span that's played a lot of time. Perhaps. Yeah. Because even, even,

00:59:00.220 - 00:59:07.240

even as it's going to still be a natural history museum in a different building is kinda be very different because got bigger.

00:59:07.240 - 00:59:15.330

There you go. What color was the building? Was that building when you guys here on the outside,

00:59:15.330 - 00:59:28.940

you have goodness not because it was not the color is now going to paint a couple times. Now. I don't one person

00:59:28.940 - 00:59:36.170

we got that went to school there said that she would she remembered it was kind of a red color. And then another guy was

00:59:36.170 - 00:59:51.590

saying it was the calories. Now, he was finished our 60s members yellow with brown. Now, most people don't remember.

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Yeah. So so so was there a railroad when you came to school? Here are lacking in

01:00:04.490 - 01:00:17.750

rural and somebody said that once, I never really going to help prevent a low while the iron bell stage

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case 73. We don't know. Actually, I'm going to stop

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this tape one side too.