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Okay, So this is Nick connect ski interviewing Richard Mack gunna on his time at the Chrysler plant in Newark.

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And the date is April 19. Time is 530. And we'll start. Okay.

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So you live in Canada square until the mid 17 mid 1970s. So tell me a little about moving to Delaware, getting a job for Chrysler.

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Why working? I pumped gas and I worked in a mushroom house and kind of square.

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Since I was 11 years old. Whenever I graduated, my father was working at the plant and arrange that for myself

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and my cousin and a few friends, Michael partially come down, apply for a job. So I came down and January eighth in 1976 started

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started to plant that had to home for about six months or eight months. I've met a guy to plant it,

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worked right next to me and he was going to move out of his house, his parents house. So we got an apartment together.

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And that was probably by the middle of 1970, 77 begin to shed some light, can't be moved in and stayed there for quite a few years.

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And he and I both, but different ways and I bought a townhouse, got married, and met a lot

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of people there during that time. I had a lot quite a few acquaintances that you met people at the Chrysler plant we've already

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talked about and okay. So you didn't know people call your work there and any other jobs for you worked

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through the crisis plan or just just to pump gas, the gas station and working in Washington mass.

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That was it. Yeah. And they're playing mushroom house and kind of graph and I've heard some mushroom cap,

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mushroom Capital the world. Yeah. That's all I did before I move down and I didn't know anybody

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to plan except for what cousin copy went to school with. They were there. So they were different parts of the plant.

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And I started out and trim shop, worked there for two weeks. First job was putting seat belts in. And then I transferred it a body shop.

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I worked in what was called The Jungle. And it's called The Jungle be called the hell they stop, spot welding guns hanging from rails.

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And they had spotlighting actually, they had robots doing it towards again, most other but the hats, but it was all manual spot welding.

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So when you had to weld pieces together, you would use your hands and your body, try and do it and it's going to experience the one job

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I did using fatwa Good. It was probably, I'd say at least five feet long. The apparatus of the wildly FIP long.

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I actually had to ride on the gun. Ended it ended. I well, the brackets for the backseat of the car.

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Yeah. So it's very foreign to caution was quite challenging and do them, wow. So do you remember your first day what

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it was like going into the planet? Well, yeah, nothing. We first came and my first day working in the plant, I mean,

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it was totally amazing and my father had been there for a long time. And I always would tell her mom would get a paycheck on Friday actually.

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And so I was always outside the plant and always wondered what liking the plant. And I had these visions

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until I walk in and play it and I said, Oh, yeah, it's totally different. Totally different. And there's all kinds of

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machinery in a line going down the road, niches, a humongous places, huge. And so I went to the office. They took me on the line.

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As I said, I started out doing seat belts, seat belts in a vehicle, Bolding them to decide and there's just a door

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pad to being put on that area. I believe your time plosives. It was overwhelming for that way. I never thought it was that

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big of a place in any one. It saw someone working on a law to get to that until you tried to do it. And it's a lot different looking

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at don't they don't epigentic. Push your body different way to different parts. You have to get

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different number of different colors. And so if you mess up, you have a black sheet book on down in a brown car smell good.

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But it's not as easy as people think it was. But it was my first day was a great experience. And then thereby the week of June.

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All right. So you said you started with seat belts, right. Who could you just go over briefly, like the main jobs you have that wow.

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I was going after people for probably I'd say at least 15 years while I was there. I will Yeah.

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Can people will tell us absolutely. Quite naturally will never absolutely. I did their job, right? And I can go anywhere on the planet.

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I've worked in a body shop, chassis trim shop, paint shop. Actually get a stent and maintenance for whiles.

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I mean, there's painter and so I worked everywhere who just there's no certain jobs I did. I mean, I I enjoyed it were

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parallel parallel to help repair the vehicle, they will gain the density of the total demand. Yeah.

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There's no jive really stands out in my mind. The last job I didn't plan was receiving inspector. And whenever parts will come

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in that weren't up to standard, are defective in some way or something that a problem. I and my coworkers,

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we will go and inspect the parts and see how they access their shop I had before. I'm a pretty good talking to you, you know. So yeah, I mean,

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there's no job that really stand out. It's 32 years actually was a blur. Me it was like, What's a Quaker days? I didn't know.

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When you retire after 32 years you think would've time go I mean, you know, if somebody was a definitely experienced like he says, No.

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I mean, a job that really stood out. I mean, I enjoyed a lot of Java. Suddenly someone were polymerase busters me some notes.

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I've got a couple feet off and refusing to do a job, We didn't do it the right way and we had engineers who come down

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and tell us how do the job and do tell me you can't do the job that way. And they say, well, look, it says right here you can actually,

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I don't give a shit what it says on that paper. I says No, actually don't want different things.

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You can do. What I say, will you show me how to do it? I can't do that right. Let me do it.

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If you shake we've done shall not do what can't do. Yeah. So yeah.

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But I'm the MHC if there is new job really stood out, just replace r. So even though you don't reuse that out,

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could you think of one that you actually would look forward to doing or that you like most like to work in the material department,

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what would that drive them before trapper, where I was where they unloaded the parts, I've called a checker and what they did when they brought a pallet

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full of parts out or boxes of both Whenever I will count, make sure you have the right amount, great parts and what they word,

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check them off a list, on a bill. They move elements in a hello. I like that. Yeah.

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It was good. I like where we shared an infection. Yeah. Put the job working online. There's not really any job

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they really enjoy doing. Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, you used to do it under people that have done jobs.

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Have more guy that was he retired well, while before I did a lot a lot longer. I will put a daily job he did was put doors on the car,

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basically right front door. It's all he did for 30-year this whole time. The whole time there, he could do it all. And it was a few people did that.

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They've got a job at the head seniority. Keep it in. Okay. Well, we came out with they did. And it was a there

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are a lot of different changes into play. Let's say we should work in a jungle and that was some of the most strenuous work in the plant.

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And you had to wear definitely glasses, got to play it if you didn't, you're full and down in the body shop we had spot Well done. You can actually shoot sparks. Maybe.

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If you're good enough, you could shoot people and it was and you would shoot in you and not even trying hits him,

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but you would hit the trigger and the spark will shoot probably 20 feet near. The ceilings are 30, 40 feet here. And spatially shoot that high

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or shoot across that way so much, Yeah, it was but it was very strenuous. Lot of job in the jungle, lot of Body Shop had loved rough job,

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chassis had a lot of jobs. I didn't do that many rough job and chassis, But like the will, you had to put

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the data voice to put the motor and we'll just do either hostile motor around. You know.

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There was there was a lot of strenuous job with that. Well, what about you have one that wouldn't be like the worst job,

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the one that you absolutely hated? The blackout booth. See the black Abu worst one? That I disliked them, that I've sat with her.

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He had to they had a mass Facemash. We got polio unless you wear but you had to cover old all taped up everywhere. You had to put a head dress on,

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so to speak, wrap rags around your head, your neck, look us up and that stuff will just everywhere on that. And the sonogram booth

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wasn't any fun eater because whatever at 1 in time they used to use solder, want to seem to hold the roof

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on and you put the roof on the you have the the a post that post and the deepest. And there was a scene

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she has put solder on the scene. And one job I did, we put the scene we put the solder melt the solder

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down ten torsion again. And you had a meltdown, get to a Pasi thing and put my and then smooth

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it out and it goes to a booth, Posada ground with sensors arsenic and you had to wear an air home. It is a big good

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wear white coveralls that will help. It came all way down here and it blew air in blue at the bottom. So the Arctic come in there.

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And that wouldn't really bad job at noaa like that because it's just because haters, I mean, no. Like your knuckles, you

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couldn't you couldn't take a break? Yeah. It was really hard to break and just show nasa and dirty, but I'd say there's two jobs that I glycans.

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So from what we've read many different books about this, trying to get a feel for it before we did the interviews and it

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seemed like most of the people who had jobs in the auto plants, they had like great wages and great benefits of thing.

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So how could you how would you say that compares to the Chrysler plant? While we had me a good wage and

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benefits we always had when I first started there and we were making which was five bucks or seven bucks an hour where it wasn't it

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wasn't back in a day and 97, you think it's good money, especially just get out of high school. And we had full benefits.

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We didn't pay for any of our office. Does it take when he dental willing to pay for anything at all provided by

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the company and making good money. And after a while, you know, more things are getting bad way to start.

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Like in the 1980s when he had the loan guarantee, it will be a cocoa, right, the ship so to speak.

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Then we just are taken cuts in wages, ME, loss of things and still is good. I mean, even when they close the plant. Although they've taken a lot of

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benefits away from people as far as the butt of the bed who did have and to change them. So we're paying more for now.

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They don't pay for often does anymore. And when I retired, the plant wager Twenty eight bucks in 20-something an hour plus

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cost of living and you have good benefits. But when you retire after this last go around here, when they had the bankruptcy retirees

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loss or vision or dental would pay morph into a type we pay so much a month now. And it's, it's it's a lot different. But it's still good benefits

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and still get good money. I mean, I did no one can complain about it. I mean, we had a lot of people that complained about the work rules and

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about the way that you will read things and helped me. I've worked with a company, but you have to after a while,

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you have to learn that. You have to work together in order to build a good vehicle to stay in business, right? And I mean, there was a time back in the day.

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We've had power outages very, very few, few and far between. But the solder already had gas. They did the torches stuff with it.

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So towards the oil had liked it will likely not the supervisor granted the ranking there because they get to help me out.

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Yeah. Because there's some really awful for me that was you provide all their brothers pre-cleaning

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and if the lights went out, somebody could get a chance to get them. They would definitely a thing with definitely a really well,

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you know, back in the day. And there's still some item that we're putting which idiots. But for the most part,

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whenever we realized we had to work together, a lot of people said, look, you know, whether we're together, build a good vehicle to even bitterness.

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And towards the end it was more like them. We don't want people getting more than the early days. And they brought along

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and modern operating agreement. The MLE see this peak. That was Wordsworth's have team concept of working together where we

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were supposed to have an input, what will be said and how the work rules were, and how we ran a place like that.

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And it didn't generalize because they had to spend money to deal with waste. But we've done right,

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and the animals spend money, so it didn't work the way they wanted to work at it. Right now, Whenever phi I took it over,

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I think that from what I've been told, it's a lot different when we had here, but they're really doing a good job. I think Jefferson North

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and up and up Toledo weather, working together and working with teams and it seemed to work pretty well. They're making fantastic vehicles now.

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Yeah. So it's one of those things and one thing I will say is, remember, I took over as President of

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the Union nine day before they made the announcement will close the plan. So it wasn't a good time to be present, right?

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And the guy that was president, he moved international. So I moved up from Vice President, just wanted to thank you all in the book.

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And so it was a very rough time. I had law, people who naturally morale will go down the tubes and lop

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you're really upset about it. My head laptop with me. Why should I care? Why should I give a damn about making a good vehicle? The closer plan?

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Lot of target hardware tone, as I said, you know, what you need to do is you continue to do the job,

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you do it because you build a good vehicle. And we did, we built a great vehicle. The part we had at overall story, but we don't.

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We bought best vehicle code part we had and we had good quality vehicles coming out a plan. And I told, you know, when you

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walk out of that last day, you continue to do the best job you can do. You can do that dual-layer taking, hold your head up high

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and it's not because of me. And I took her to the right. You know, it's it's it's it's hard to even think about that,

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but you know what kind of play The last night. But if you walk out and utilizing either activate the heart,

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some people that who will sabotage Islam again, then most of them didn't write. But there was a morale

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to probability dumped at that time. But I could see from the time 14 started, some time I ended that the shift in the inhumanity of

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relationships because it was showing arbitrarily beginning. You said they would be afraid it like what? They had to go someplace it was like which?

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Right. Okay. I want to come back to that. The relationships you're talking

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about, WooCommerce thumb. Do you want to talk briefly about the conditions inside the plant? I mean, I've heard tons of things about well,

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there are certain areas in the plant and just horrible. I mean, the There was dust everywhere.

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And in the body shop there was all kinds of metal metal dust from the grinding in the welding and spot welding and it would just it

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was everywhere and we had a lot of times you go to touch something with these black is black OMB. And we will come out there,

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especially work in a body shop, mature as the other parts plenitude with The Body Shop, the vehicles were covered in oil

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to help them from a rushing liquid from the postulates, right? They had to go through a body wash and beginning with

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the parts we pull along or how will all of them. So you start from the oil. You have diffuse and

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dust and dirt and stuff, all of you. So it was pretty nasty. I mean, even in even in the end there were certain areas where it was like that.

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I mean, it got a lot better. And there were some times it was really a really, really bad I was, I make these paintings,

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I said one time and they had a painting. The ceilings in the columns and the I-beams or top habitat was dirt and dust off.

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We had some people were cleaning whether they will not School painters. Real. Yeah.

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So we painted art and when we go to sprite, sheet blown everywhere and God knows how long it's been up there. I think that they want self,

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but it's a cleaner pretty much in the end that you should see the forage quite regularly then towards me and left back 10 years,

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I guess it was clear she owned a floor to keep the dust down, to try to keep the air is cleaner to try to get rid of

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all the junk that was in there. So you always get better. But believe me, upon horrible, they're very bad.

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I mean, it's nothing you want to you want to be an all time high. They pay good money. So what about your hours there?

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Are the Raj just dependent upon how how vehicles well, I mean, I can remember working six days a week, ten hours a day for years,

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once a month at a time. Because if they need to vehicles and they overbuilt sometimes, which Herzl in the end.

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But they overbuilt. They just can't build a building them. And so there's quite a few months and months at a time. We're working six days.

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We kinda have that excuse me. And the guys and maintenance that law them work seven days a week,

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12 hours a day for a time. Somebody guy never miss the window of time that you get it. And they've put many,

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many, many hours in between. And I when I was a maintenance painter during the summer, I think it's private formats

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out there a little bit longer. I work seven days a week to Amsterdam and sometimes 18 up if I had to do it.

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Because at that job as a maintenance job, I'm going to set my ready we did. And so I can make a lot actually made more money.

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Well, actually, I worked all I could because I know well, the lashed with you the hours are hours long, bleeding and work on that long.

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And I can remember when you're working 10 hours a day, six days a week, you would literally come in and the guy on day shift,

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one hand to guide and I shift the tools allow keep other unbelievable behind it. It's just me. It was a,

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it was something to say. There's something that took, great. That's what tells us. It was not easy people think anyway,

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thanks that the auto workers are the cause of the problems of the unnecessary because we're greedy and I'm like I should not believe me.

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Yeah, trust me. There's people with plant working right now and my father and the guys before me and him,

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they earned every pain I got because of the condition they worked in for me and one for the guys like my dad and God, for him.

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We wouldn't have we have today and the safety wouldn't be their stuff. They get theirs. They really start to get big safety.

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And their lack of some area by others, they did a lot but it's still pretty rough place to work. I mean, it's no matter how good the job was,

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ten hours to days, long day. I can imagine that. If you need to answer your phone or anything, that's not good.

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I never thought I would just that we'll just a testament that are that's fine. Okay. So given how

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people are so tired or like I met him, he had to be so tired from working those hours. What about accidents that they ever come up

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on the job? Given the data? Well, accidents always happen. Let me not always happen, but you always had something happened

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and I don't think it's because of some might have been to take the pill. I will just did the job to set up the way the

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fast-paced was because it wasn't done like this. They want they want it done yesterday. I don't slow up,

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don't stop that line, all that kinda stuff. And yeah, Now, that was the mentality for a long time. And I'm not myself.

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I got hit with a tub years and years ago, gathered for truck, didn't see me there and TOB miss my knee up. Yeah. I've had my back in there.

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I have a scar here from when I was made painting painting and maintenance. I was telling him that was

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had these little metal. Racks on the reactive parts or HEDIS look, chlorophylls had horrible side and I pick it up again.

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Let me copy here. I'll put my guess my glove from here to here. God. And so that was one injury head I

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have don't have nav I have scars on my ankles. Yeah. You'd have emerged from the solder? Solder and globally we sometimes

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sloshing around your ear and keep working it splitting off camera work is we kept the bowel Soviet in around the foot up.

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I have one time I had a browser spot welding actually welding wire, the plant piece of slag that they will have a toll visual?

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Yes. I have a glutamate right here and I could get my Google. You have time.

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Nothing had time. I was working and it'll just work and I just let it burn. And I had a whole MF live editing home like I did this one.

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So this right here. Yeah, That's real thing. Is big industrial fans. Yeah, I will paint in it was

00:22:35.120 - 00:22:42.320

95 degree rat side sweat off my buddy flipping. We're painting we had some I bring the racks and we're

00:22:42.320 - 00:22:49.170

painting the racks to do thinking, well, we're paying whatever color. We pay them, put the gun and five-gallon bucket of Thinner.

00:22:49.170 - 00:22:53.730

Right? It's only for national when reliably with the bucket moving closer and closer and closer.

00:22:53.730 - 00:22:59.120

We had a fan, it'll be fine. I didn't have a garden with a general response, we did, we didn't cross

00:22:59.120 - 00:23:09.150

away at that data. Good thing. And I said, Are you scared? Hello. I'd grab him. It gives him at blood started with how

00:23:09.150 - 00:23:16.430

she soft-hearted mother didn't want a guy who worked up to get him back if we're tracking what the level place and I got to New York and

00:23:16.430 - 00:23:24.790

writing center was a window. There was a gnarly looking all wouldn't wouldn't cut it with all messed up.

00:23:24.790 - 00:23:35.680

So I did put some dressing on. I'm going to wash. Wow. That's just make this is I mean,

00:23:35.680 - 00:23:44.030

there's a lot of people that are more accurate than a great actor crowded. I have some people that don't get egg. You're an old hotel there.

00:23:44.030 - 00:23:49.970

But you know, we've had a lot of serious cases that we haven't guy developed a very serious lung disease.

00:23:49.970 - 00:23:56.830

He's on how we don't right now. We've got no good at all. He wasn't good. Teeth fell out of love.

00:23:56.830 - 00:24:03.450

The fluid, really bad, really bad for a while. Just some of the chemicals that you had in there.

00:24:03.450 - 00:24:13.010

And that's lazy and 32 years those injuries I had, It's not because there's a lot of guys had more injuries and there's

00:24:13.010 - 00:24:21.080

people that the guys were cutting with the box color to blue boxes, are they cut them what look like the hell out of hand or a knee

00:24:21.080 - 00:24:32.330

or the whatever he anticipates this Access tab and that's why it's been understanding it's not plant bleeding. So what do you

00:24:32.330 - 00:24:36.680

think given like the injuries and the conditions, what would you say if you've got to pick what would be

00:24:36.680 - 00:24:53.310

the best job told if you work from the Chrysler plant? This javelin point? A job working off of their

00:24:53.310 - 00:25:01.010

work offline offer summer. Like to receive inspection Yeah. Help. I want the best. That was probably one of the best

00:25:01.010 - 00:25:06.900

because you're working offline. You don't have the hustle and bustle. You don't have the pressure on you the whole time.

00:25:06.900 - 00:25:14.660

That firewall the best job that they will be working received especially many, many people try to get received inspection. You take a test to read blueprints

00:25:14.660 - 00:25:24.020

and don't forget in order to get an error. And so the only thing that one easily get into what your energy had made them think that you want

00:25:24.020 - 00:25:32.960

to unless you're a maintenance guy because that well, they had they had made I mean, they didn't work all the time,

00:25:32.960 - 00:25:40.400

especially to the mill rights. They had gotten on the craft trucks? Yeah. Whenever somebody whenever the line

00:25:40.400 - 00:25:48.710

went down, they busted there. Ask me that's what that's what they were. Therefore, there were times when they sat in their crib and didn't do anything.

00:25:48.710 - 00:25:54.460

I mean, you know, for hours upon hours when they break down they were there. Yeah. So yeah.

00:25:54.460 - 00:26:03.840

And as potty a better job on that easy but wanted better job than me at this, you're not pushing your FL line.

00:26:03.840 - 00:26:09.180

And some, um, worked on the guy who did the toolmaking to like they weren't told to either worked on machines

00:26:09.180 - 00:26:14.630

and they know it killed himself because that way. So but working off align with always a good

00:26:14.630 - 00:26:23.420

job if you're on a line. Parallel care what job it was. If you only want to work on a vehicle every minute or less are

00:26:23.420 - 00:26:31.010

the core of what, you know. And you had to work on most up. So sometimes you have to put partial few, um, here and there, but yeah,

00:26:31.010 - 00:26:44.530

any Java language, Good job. We had some sub assembly jobs. Like remember we had sub-assembly, we had the Defender welds from the wells and we had

00:26:44.530 - 00:26:55.700

the cold front structure put that way and said We all were all work offline there and who I had worked with a godly rival territorial side.

00:26:55.700 - 00:27:02.590

And we would come in, it's universal started maybe before we started button I, but then we would just

00:27:02.590 - 00:27:11.220

keep working to break and then we'll be finished at lunchtime. And low department, we stack them up high. They stopped after a while, but anyhow,

00:27:11.220 - 00:27:24.020

yeah, That was you started but you have to get it done, but you did get a breakneck, a new cell. It doesn't sound like there's

00:27:24.020 - 00:27:30.770

an easy jobs on the planet. While there's easy jobs would plant bullish, don't want monotonous. I mean, the ones on the one-to-one line,

00:27:30.770 - 00:27:37.430

there were some jobs but there will come a mountainous because you get to stay there. You couldn't, you know, yeah. There's some job you can work

00:27:37.430 - 00:27:43.640

back and we're already going to break. So like Gap of I don't know, but easy, so to speak. I mean, they really easy in a sense

00:27:43.640 - 00:27:50.060

that if you were doing a job and I had to relieve you or something, you'd show me how to do the job.

00:27:50.060 - 00:27:56.030

Right? And you're a tolerant I um, so you have a different vantage on the job, then I will give them a short guy and

00:27:56.030 - 00:28:03.410

I'd have to take what you shared, adapted to my stature, put that way. Yeah. We had tall got your Guide, FAQ eyed male,

00:28:03.410 - 00:28:10.590

females, you know, this IBS, different things. So you had to adapt the jobs yourself. And so what might be easy for you to do?

00:28:10.590 - 00:28:19.180

What the heart sounds. Very odd. Explain that. I wish you guys to watch this stuff and I will have instead that

00:28:19.180 - 00:28:27.340

fantastic for UC hearing about all stuff really makes me want to go. If you ever get a chance to go to automobile plant and take

00:28:27.340 - 00:28:36.010

a tour while it's running. Let's start with the laser hab mir crusher, mother running and you could walk that walk you through Eden, stop that much.

00:28:36.010 - 00:28:43.900

You stop over here and there. But you'd be Cp will notice that we say today I'm going to put triple-click. Lot more different peoples and yeah,

00:28:43.900 - 00:28:49.370

you somebody to Belgium we didn't fill out. You can pick up bring back in. I mean, because you're only running back and forth with you.

00:28:49.370 - 00:28:54.810

Bolts. Parts will get whatever you gotta get because you can't carry it all it one time. I had it.

00:28:54.810 - 00:29:02.900

Then when you put Bolton but didn't yet part you couldn't carry out unfortunately. So I'll put each

00:29:02.900 - 00:29:13.010

one of these thing that you have to get used to that. So Salaam with injuries and everything, how did how did the management react and

00:29:13.010 - 00:29:22.190

how did they treat you when something like that would happen? Well, first they call you dumb ass. And then they send you did medical.

00:29:22.190 - 00:29:30.210

If we a lot of times if people were not hurt 10 medical, we had a lot of people to abuse the system of stuff they get in.

00:29:30.210 - 00:29:39.050

Some people actually injured themselves purposely, believe me, they were done. They did. I mean, they've just

00:29:39.050 - 00:29:48.370

we have people that have chronic. We have people that round workers comp that there's nothing wrong with them. I mean, I can't say I'm not a doctor.

00:29:48.370 - 00:29:56.830

But when you see somebody walk around with crutches and whereby when the bottom anybody at work or to Union at them in the backseat car

00:29:56.830 - 00:30:01.650

run a gas station could guess. That's yeah, that's kinda stuff we'd say that's stuff that might have been like.

00:30:01.650 - 00:30:07.150

That's one thing that really made it hard and all the people that work in the plant, whatever you had, somebody that

00:30:07.150 - 00:30:19.280

was abusing the system like at yeah. So it's just one of those things. All right. So management didn't like

00:30:19.280 - 00:30:23.420

am I getting today like it might go into medical center, gets my relieve me to go there. Yeah.

00:30:23.420 - 00:30:31.550

If you're if you're only one. Yeah. So okay. So we read this book

00:30:31.550 - 00:30:38.120

called The end of the line. And I think I'm pretty sure about the Ford plants. But one of the things we saw,

00:30:38.120 - 00:30:46.460

a lot of women in the plant had a hard time whether it was dealing with harassment or dealing with the work. And can you give me

00:30:46.460 - 00:30:57.110

any examples or things like we haven't really had no women in plant that we're fragile, let's say. And it couldn't handle rough stuff

00:30:57.110 - 00:31:07.580

and so they had a hard time with it. So I'm kick my ass right now, but I mean, it's there's it's just one of those things that Newman had a hard time

00:31:07.580 - 00:31:17.870

in the harassment sometimes was a lot. And there's a lot of girls that came a point when they're 18, 19, 20 years old.

00:31:17.870 - 00:31:25.510

And Bhutan, they left their horrendous looking at, I mean, that's the place to be to help

00:31:25.510 - 00:31:35.210

remind you that just the work, the party in the trust me and anybody talk to you? I just think he's leaving.

00:31:35.210 - 00:31:43.760

Some final girl and they came in, they will tell Nephi gone. Relatively work on Lecture 32, you go, I remember he came in via

00:31:43.760 - 00:31:56.660

the frog here and now look at it. When it was a, it was sometime did with the women were especially a while

00:31:56.660 - 00:32:03.470

ago back when they had the when I first started there and all that. A lot of the men who didn't like the way we work in there.

00:32:03.470 - 00:32:13.980

It's not only for women to work and it really discriminatory against them. Sometimes you'll find a very discriminatory. We allow discrimination,

00:32:13.980 - 00:32:20.540

discrimination in the Blanton and, you know, in a lot of different areas. I mean, we had the Klu Klux Klan work in there

00:32:20.540 - 00:32:28.970

and allow allow this series biker gangs they work in there, but they're all good people. I mean, they get along fine.

00:32:28.970 - 00:32:33.860

The plant, they do what they want to do on the outside. You had some people that were racist in the plant now that

00:32:33.860 - 00:32:40.310

we didn't want to deal with anybody have different colors or whatever. But for the most part, I mean, I know if you guys are

00:32:40.310 - 00:32:44.160

words that were class and then they get along fine with people inside the clinic. That's your job.

00:32:44.160 - 00:32:51.860

When we fire delegation started now, the day-to-day hanging out with people no, they didn't. But they work with people

00:32:51.860 - 00:32:58.790

that you want to assign it to happen. But the women will discriminate a lot against. And then we had some of them

00:32:58.790 - 00:33:05.840

that caused it to be that way because the way they carry themselves in a way, did they how can I

00:33:05.840 - 00:33:15.260

say did favor to get good jobs and stuff like that. I mean, it did any work with, I guess the automobile industry, It's vc.

00:33:15.260 - 00:33:23.240

And there was a case going on right now, as a matter of fact, in Detroit where international rep is being sued by

00:33:23.240 - 00:33:32.890

female because she was put on staff because you dating this guy apparently. And then we'll arrange the relationship ended.

00:33:32.890 - 00:33:38.830

She no longer working or staff. And so she's kind of discrimination whether it's not I don't know. But that's what she's quite right?

00:33:38.830 - 00:33:49.750

Yes. You have those type of things. So there was a lot of discrimination frame, put that away, and the females, especially back in the day,

00:33:49.750 - 00:33:59.380

weren't respect at all. And they were like, Oh my God, especially I mean, we didn't care. If we take a good look. I'm Hooker.

00:33:59.380 - 00:34:07.210

Lost your job and Muslim do the same job. Some of them were warning because they couldn't do the job and put different things that piece of API.

00:34:07.210 - 00:34:15.850

Well, somebody did a job, so and it's going to ask how do you feel about the women and the jobs or different races

00:34:15.850 - 00:34:26.230

or minorities heart has raised not to be prejudice. And I'm prejudiced towards prejudice people. If you treat with

00:34:26.230 - 00:34:33.910

respect to t with respect to its way, it always has been, always will be. I don't care if you're male or female. White, black, pink, purple,

00:34:33.910 - 00:34:41.460

gay, straight, whatever you, if you, if you're going to treatment or expression teacher, which back to Haggai fingerprint in the plan.

00:34:41.460 - 00:34:49.860

We talk all the time and they knew Australia and we get a relative I guess. But they knew our straight made as weight was.

00:34:49.860 - 00:34:56.190

But yet it didn't bother me at all. I mean, I can work with anybody. You will work with me and pull your fair share, you know.

00:34:56.190 - 00:35:04.260

Yeah. So great as to what about were there any like specific examples where there was like

00:35:04.260 - 00:35:09.770

an actual confrontation or fight inside the plant. Or you can put a whole stuff that we want to

00:35:09.770 - 00:35:17.120

say, yeah, absolutely. Cool. Hobby farm. As far as altercation in the plant, there weren't a whole lot of them.

00:35:17.120 - 00:35:28.340

There were some through a lot of heated verbal arguments. I mean, it wasn't a whole lot of physical computations.

00:35:28.340 - 00:35:37.820

There have been a few. I mean, I know a guy was pissed off the call. This girl can buy an array. And he didn't like

00:35:37.820 - 00:35:45.600

the country music and that kind of stuff as she kept blaring on Blanche, I he took a hammer busted radio, and then she swung him and he knocked around.

00:35:48.250 - 00:35:59.570

I've seen a couple of people like that where I've had one guy that was supervisor. He's dead now Guy rest is always good. Do you will begin

00:35:59.570 - 00:36:05.340

your work and you want and management. And he was a pretty, pretty much a perk when you had to be? Yeah. And when he came back to line work and

00:36:05.340 - 00:36:12.920

he was like a little area that was private because we're right here to that wall there. The lockers and the lockers,

00:36:12.920 - 00:36:18.320

your current on had bench there's WC in there and it's dark hair porosity and he kept That's really, really keen.

00:36:18.320 - 00:36:28.540

That aligns Ella. Non-key map broke it. No, you're not. We're not just letting later walked off. So I founded in what had Moana,

00:36:28.540 - 00:36:35.060

blowing the whistle, right, must run that poll. So those type of things I've been in

00:36:35.060 - 00:36:40.310

some screaming match into physical thinking that plant, but tempers do flare because of different things

00:36:40.310 - 00:36:47.870

going on the plant. And I've had a few scream actually with somewhat co-workers, some of the management people.

00:36:47.870 - 00:36:56.420

We've had a few super valuable in particular that I really had to talk to people, yell the people that I called, lot of problem you.

00:36:56.420 - 00:37:05.600

Then the first time that I had an altercation with him, I was driving a vehicle off the end of a line and for tumbled them a job.

00:37:05.600 - 00:37:13.910

And they're having problems with breaks and they were stopping properly. And so if it had been a breach, was supposed to have a sunny window,

00:37:13.910 - 00:37:20.600

she didn't drive via the one I had didn't have one-to-ones all did it breaks, it hit the SML the car.

00:37:20.600 - 00:37:25.610

He came scream and holler and all that kind of stuff. And I had bad luck. I got noted those scream and holler.

00:37:25.610 - 00:37:30.440

And so again, it's one of those things and I think he respected me for it because you love people didn't stand up

00:37:30.440 - 00:37:38.060

doing so. But what do you think you do? I've had a few altercation in her yelling, screaming matches, nothing physical thing that

00:37:38.060 - 00:37:44.960

we're going to flip it around and we got a physical fight, their minority of itself. But you figured, well,

00:37:44.960 - 00:37:52.910

I started, there was 5600 people working here. That many who and and you were right on top each other,

00:37:52.910 - 00:38:00.470

don't jobs and messed up my head. Push you down, pissed you off and you move him down a pissed him off. So you get a lot of this

00:38:00.470 - 00:38:07.170

loss of like getting in there. There were times that, you know, whenever you had some wrong and you missed the boat.

00:38:07.170 - 00:38:12.080

I got it. Don't worry. I could hit the law trying to Usain Bolt. I got it. Don't worry about good, good enough job.

00:38:12.080 - 00:38:18.370

And we have a lovely work together like that. We'll get a lot of people that, um, worked together. We're lucky we'll cover

00:38:18.370 - 00:38:26.860

each other to ashes of their law people that shape people. Job medulla, which will understate it. There was a lot of animosity

00:38:26.860 - 00:38:32.110

Law time to first shift. Second shift always thought because the first shift got it. How will want to port burned out?

00:38:32.110 - 00:38:38.320

Who made up for yourself? Become an X data, be NEF narrative to guide, use them all up, right? Answer law, stuff like

00:38:38.320 - 00:38:51.010

add law argues that way. I have one of the things we learned about in that book that I read, it's called an employee involvement program.

00:38:51.010 - 00:38:58.440

Which was it was basically like it is a program that tried to get the workers involved to increase the efficiency of the plant.

00:38:58.440 - 00:39:06.170

Guys. That's something I got. Was that the MLA Modern operating rooms. And I'd probably still have a couple of

00:39:06.170 - 00:39:14.420

the agreements I can give you. So you look at see what was the perfect but basically what it was, it was something that Mr.

00:39:14.420 - 00:39:23.120

Deming took to Asia years and years ago, tried to get the American manufacturers should do it, but he wouldn't do it.

00:39:23.120 - 00:39:35.270

But that's one reason why Toyota were kicking RAF along atomic Latino concept. And it worked from the bottom-up, top-down. And the modern operating agreement

00:39:35.270 - 00:39:43.210

was supposed to be just that the Union had an input, the worker had input into how his job was going like and if it

00:39:43.210 - 00:39:51.010

was if he had some parts that were bad, they were supposed to stop along until I got the good parts. They're they're supposed to do this,

00:39:51.010 - 00:39:57.660

this, this, this, and this. Well, they did this and this, but cost of mind you that's a skip that part. Yeah.

00:39:57.660 - 00:40:05.890

And if you don't have that part is not going to work. And it's they tried several, several that were dying in a plane.

00:40:05.890 - 00:40:15.040

And we the union, we fought hard to make sure that they did. Are you supposed to do because of our livelihood like anybody else's

00:40:15.040 - 00:40:22.810

and they should rely the same thing. But some of the people in the plant, somebody older heads in the plant, so to speak,

00:40:22.810 - 00:40:30.440

there in management, didn't want to relinquish power. Id that I'm the boss and you do it my way. And I don't care what that book

00:40:30.440 - 00:40:36.680

she has omelette spending money on that on that call my bossy about spend that money out. Okay. I'm I don't say

00:40:36.680 - 00:40:44.480

that that was a big roadblock in there. A lot of us saw this train wreck come in whenever downward took us over and it

00:40:44.480 - 00:40:51.590

was a takeover, wasn't murdered. And agency words, whenever they took a show where they, crusher had $9 billion in

00:40:51.590 - 00:40:58.260

a rainy day fund or a different way we're going to call it. And they're making very large profits owner vehicles,

00:40:58.260 - 00:41:09.530

between 535, $8 thousand per vehicle and the Dodge Ram, that minivan in triangle, we will nearly complete. While narrative.

00:41:09.530 - 00:41:14.630

Bottom dropped out and the gas prices have gone up. So they get they were really cheap and vehicles up.

00:41:14.630 - 00:41:22.130

I mean, I worked on receiving this bucket of time and I could see it where they're putting the cheapest stuff they couldn't in a vehicle and it hurts.

00:41:22.130 - 00:41:29.840

It hurts bad. Yeah. And we could say seven, but they wouldn't listen to us. And that goes if, if you,

00:41:29.840 - 00:41:36.000

if you take a the whatnot, these give you a perfect example. When I work and receive inspection, the corporate return,

00:41:36.000 - 00:41:42.860

because they had to lay the corporate out and dashes already in there in a vehicle to the IP into her apartment,

00:41:42.860 - 00:41:50.040

we call it and worker had taken tuck it underneath the dash. Yeah. Well, I hadn't manipulate it to get a certain spots where the core ribbon.

00:41:50.040 - 00:41:58.130

So they call columns and increments. So I called the vendor and he said Mac, I'm going all right. He said it's a corporate claim.

00:41:58.130 - 00:42:04.850

He and he said Lamentation. He showed me the corporate is gone and the TA have only escalates if I get where the time.

00:42:04.850 - 00:42:13.350

And there's like this, What's going on with this big so that you get what you pay for, right? Answer that staffers lot too.

00:42:14.320 - 00:42:20.180

If we had a state, it'll be different. I mean, whatever I found that out, it was our problem. Excuse me,

00:42:20.180 - 00:42:24.470

indoor engineering is what they wanted. Well, I told my supervisor said What's own question.

00:42:24.470 - 00:42:29.630

No, can't be it can't be. Pip, you'll kill me a hippie going to fire me. I don't care if I'm not,

00:42:29.630 - 00:42:36.590

but you might want to vendor no, not yet. I'm not going to put that on the vendor will it's something that you guys want it. So it's a big arguably

00:42:36.590 - 00:42:40.040

definitely didn't it didn't get charged back to the vendor, got charge the plan. Yeah.

00:42:40.040 - 00:42:44.960

So I mean, and that's when the superintendents hated Arbitrage your plan. They're going to if we

00:42:44.960 - 00:42:53.780

damage sudden we had eat. And if suddenly damaged or can we get some from the vendor? Now you gotta get eat that and you

00:42:53.780 - 00:43:05.280

can see which probably is your problem. But if you have a dash, if you have IP, does a big hole can get Michigan footprint did come that way.

00:43:07.170 - 00:43:23.580

Hello. Hi, please. Take the time. Right, you see

00:43:23.580 - 00:43:30.480

the wide operating agreement. If if the team concept where to be implemented properly, it would have worked.

00:43:30.480 - 00:43:36.490

What I want to see this playing out, I don't know. I mean, I doubt it because from a thing that we see and we know

00:43:36.490 - 00:43:43.720

now that it's probably was a foregone conclusion when they first said they were uploaded, so yeah. But how did you feel about that?

00:43:43.720 - 00:43:50.330

Like them? Modern modern operating freely. I didn't like it at first. Suddenly people want change.

00:43:50.330 - 00:43:54.990

Yeah. You know. And some of the some of the work rules we had an election with things in a contract,

00:43:54.990 - 00:44:06.080

in the operating agreement, stuff we didn't like at all. And it just people who might change. Let's just play this.

00:44:06.080 - 00:44:14.840

And it was a big resistance on both sides actually. Like it might have gotten layer, but when they finally got there,

00:44:14.840 - 00:44:20.690

we had to live with I'm going to try and do it right. And there were things that we booked on, not just manage latent,

00:44:20.690 - 00:44:27.780

they're not the only one that we'll use. For the things that they wanted to the thing that they should have implemented.

00:44:27.780 - 00:44:35.150

They need to implement. And didn't that hurts. I mean, it would have been perfect, but doubted seriously.

00:44:35.150 - 00:44:44.530

But it would have been a whole lot more, I think would have been a lot better for the planet if we would dumping who are supposed to do it.

00:44:44.530 - 00:44:53.310

You spend money? No, that's all. All right, so let's get into some more fun things.

00:44:53.310 - 00:45:00.680

What about social life or maybe it's not relationships with your workers. You guys have like you go

00:45:00.680 - 00:45:06.810

out together to show each party together? Yeah. Yeah. We probably lost time together. We probably ought to work together

00:45:07.080 - 00:45:15.350

For each other's house card games and whatever. We will always pair together and we get off

00:45:15.350 - 00:45:24.280

work at two o'clock if nearly granted, which now tillage, who used to be called the Grand Round at 1 in time,

00:45:24.280 - 00:45:29.240

and we get off at two o'clock with you on there. And that was placed ago with a few other places

00:45:29.240 - 00:45:35.450

around and for dance and we go to players should be called crush shop in general. He's been barn and

00:45:35.450 - 00:45:44.930

we could dance and have it be time your time. I probably did. Three or four the growth of the plant. In a non it turned out,

00:45:44.930 - 00:45:56.330

well, I would also say like, you don't dates and when you work with safe with units. I've learned that after all these years

00:45:56.330 - 00:46:05.480

that we had some people aren't very good friends with, very good friends with. So we'll stay in contact with each other

00:46:05.480 - 00:46:13.220

and are still attending the meetings. We have a retiree, meaning once a month I just started back up my factors and that's retired.

00:46:13.220 - 00:46:18.650

Meaningful, I want announced. You gotta do on this type of stuff and get some more names because there are a lot of guys want to share stories.

00:46:18.650 - 00:46:25.790

Yes, absolutely. It's something that I have one guy that email me back and says, This is bullshit.

00:46:25.790 - 00:46:31.920

Watches like a Mac, the plants Colon. Who cares? I care. How does my life for third year,

00:46:31.920 - 00:46:39.880

my dad retired or 40 years there? Like I said, it let's put a roof on my head back my entire life in the city. They said they were tired.

00:46:39.880 - 00:46:48.340

Same time identities. He pretty much the same way. That pleases, but every time he does upset because he didn't have enough time to retire.

00:46:48.340 - 00:46:56.570

Yeah. I mean, it's it's sad, but a lot of people that took the by other, they sound better job.

00:46:56.570 - 00:47:02.530

They've lost their homes, they lost their families, they've lost everything because it's hard. You can't find jobs.

00:47:02.530 - 00:47:06.920

So what it was, I still have a lot of good friends in your HIV. Lot of people that

00:47:06.920 - 00:47:13.700

I see like been involved with, any of us have people from all over the country when I go to conventions in general,

00:47:13.700 - 00:47:21.080

probably going down to Florida for a conference or stove already UAW, the political and yada yada, I'm the chairman,

00:47:21.080 - 00:47:26.050

the cap Council with the Community Action Program, which is a political entity, UAW, right? I was still a precedent that

00:47:26.050 - 00:47:36.110

Delaware and so we have a meeting, a leadership meeting in Florida in my region which regulate there's like three counties in Pennsylvania,

00:47:36.110 - 00:47:47.350

Delaware, all way down to Florida, Georgia, Alabama to draw a Puerto Rican. So we go to Florida or pin from all those dates will be there.

00:47:47.350 - 00:47:54.650

And so it's a good seam will now not be as many because plants closing the union halls are gone,

00:47:54.650 - 00:47:58.010

but people still have some people still be there. Though, like you should be there, you should be

00:47:58.010 - 00:48:07.670

anytime the oven to the other people there. Now, Mike, if we're 500, if that if that's a lot for now. But, um, I didn't establish stuff.

00:48:07.670 - 00:48:14.540

We still have comrades that will have a guy e-mail or e-mail me all time from Norfolk, Virginia. He was president of plant down there

00:48:14.540 - 00:48:20.650

and I've been friends with 1980 to summer school in Knoxville, Tennessee. Pashto.

00:48:20.650 - 00:48:31.590

See here Pharmacy about people. Good friend of mine, his bike, so my graduate now he he was at a party. Committee man, when a way left,

00:48:31.590 - 00:48:35.910

put them in our good friend, we have our differences. We've been in time, we didn't speak for months,

00:48:35.910 - 00:48:42.540

but understanding is with part a job magician a way it is. But as far as I know, people from plants simply

00:48:42.540 - 00:48:51.390

replant with each other all times still. Not like it used to be. And whenever we have a function by email people,

00:48:51.390 - 00:48:57.950

Emma's Cornwall retirees meetings where we have some type of special thing on like once a year when we've been having a reunion.

00:48:57.950 - 00:49:08.090

Pick a questionnaire, a union w a glaze over here in the freshmen inhabit many people with big snowstorm. And this one we had when it was

00:49:08.090 - 00:49:16.780

all good thing with all between money through this last year, we had it maybe about a 100 people job, which is really good who manage management.

00:49:16.780 - 00:49:23.810

And we had many people show up. We had a unique and ask you about. We had our clerical union showing what's your manager,

00:49:23.810 - 00:49:31.190

but they're younger people. Or when I bought a UAW. And so we wanted a good time. Let me hit it. It was it was good.

00:49:31.190 - 00:49:38.910

She and some of the people when everyone around me and we stopped, people who hate each other back and plant would go, you know.

00:49:39.310 - 00:49:47.900

What about inside the play? A very kind of like horseplay, top games Definitely that all the time, which she'd yell fire extinguishers

00:49:47.900 - 00:50:00.280

and loves him. Just do stupid shit. You know. I had a guy that was real pain. They ask them a team and I

00:50:00.280 - 00:50:12.920

had a course ticket, dynamite hubs that they put parts in the top of the pipe. But just this big on that.

00:50:12.920 - 00:50:19.470

But this tall and they put a logo racks would go this way which we can get porch out. Well, I spoke to you,

00:50:19.470 - 00:50:24.310

smoke cigarettes or plant it on my smoking a cigarette to put a home cigarette and put a few generic

00:50:24.310 - 00:50:35.360

put only that they stick. The effect is still fully. So they're a partner I whereby new wood except for him.

00:50:35.360 - 00:50:42.980

And so he would just mumble that business about this. So he was wir said there were working and we're watching what we're slip,

00:50:42.980 - 00:50:49.520

we can't work with the wavelet. Have we're trying to work, we can't get we're left with is a heart. That thing went off and you heard all over

00:50:49.520 - 00:50:56.600

the body shop probably chassis primary had to play that thing was so loud and went off again with shit itself. It was so funny.

00:50:56.600 - 00:51:06.860

I mean, just to see his react all curled up. If it was so funny, he was so DMA, we fell out. We've got those all count with

00:51:06.860 - 00:51:16.880

always firecracker to something where we would have had a and this is a bad thing. It didn't the way I've got heard about it. But when you put a star on the cars

00:51:16.880 - 00:51:30.830

that we taper Fire crackling side of things. Who tortured, go off and notice the blue is can help you do that. We had a reputation thing,

00:51:30.830 - 00:51:38.030

but I can't cope with the vacuum packing. I put that we'll record. But it was a pretty regular therapy with other people there.

00:51:38.030 - 00:51:45.160

People were still tobacco and they're still there. Some people, a little bottles of liquor hear a day and people steal and

00:51:45.160 - 00:51:52.300

he put some, soften it. Back to Professor. Yes, The next question I wanted to ask, we haven't we've read multiple things

00:51:52.300 - 00:51:59.560

to different people drinking on the job and somebody will take speed on the jobs we read about or things like that, original or anything that you wanted

00:51:59.560 - 00:52:07.480

to buy it and get a question. Yeah. Anything it just like any any automobile manufacturing plant, any of these office buildings,

00:52:07.480 - 00:52:13.210

Yannick Radi, you get anything you want. It's not just it's not just an automobile manufacturer thing. Now, drinking, maybe it'll

00:52:13.210 - 00:52:21.400

be glad lunchtime had leadership. We had a guy back in the day, data had a vein and it would fill the big coolers.

00:52:21.400 - 00:52:28.760

So he had all different beer and air shows up like yeah, he'd got much time. And he would sell beers like 25 cents a piece for 1600s beers.

00:52:28.760 - 00:52:35.600

That would get me back on Dana. Yeah. And so 25 chance for these ants and he made a ton of money, let me call that, well, good to eat.

00:52:35.600 - 00:52:42.620

Just drive by certain area. Now can we get it veers to get? And the Fed didn't get any. Yeah, they kinda pull out one day,

00:52:42.620 - 00:52:48.860

Jolla, we get a lot of travel. Only a one. I think you also job. Big fonts if we're

00:52:48.860 - 00:53:00.080

lucky budget would plot we had a big, big marijuana Boston Celtics. I'm doing very, very well and I was walking. Bomb again you like and don't cause a listen.

00:53:00.080 - 00:53:09.590

Salivary stopping, sticking it. Touch me like it's a bassinet about two hours. Anything you want, anything

00:53:09.590 - 00:53:20.720

I'm going to play, it could slow. The ensemble is still rail, but not like ESP. We have our elections in a parking lot for being leaders,

00:53:20.720 - 00:53:30.820

and we will have 40 our elections hold it up for eight hours. And all the candidates will have kegs of beer in the parking lot and have grill.

00:53:30.820 - 00:53:40.880

We had, we roasted a Boolean one time. And yet there was a party. We had really good title dichotomy. It was all there

00:53:40.880 - 00:53:46.070

was all something that we did and I don't think your alternative that well, don't buy car meet on Monday or Friday because you're hungry or

00:53:46.070 - 00:53:52.520

Ramanujan a joke on Friday, which is bullshit, I may just To say it doesn't matter what day it was convenient.

00:53:52.520 - 00:53:59.530

They just a departure being put into car seemingly every days. We didn't have people falling over drunk all the time and plan,

00:53:59.530 - 00:54:06.410

what are you drinking it? But for the most part, guys drag will take a drink without the biggest concerns

00:54:06.410 - 00:54:13.490

that we had, people get fired, it could have been dropping for I mean, there's a certain limit in go to let me know and if they saw

00:54:13.490 - 00:54:18.950

you drink and you could fire me, just why was he heard reports on TV here? That's my last year. It gets really hot water color,

00:54:18.950 - 00:54:26.330

but you guys go and lunchtime or from Detroit to Fox News Station. Greg is follow him to the park on smoking dope and drinking lab. Now, you're fired.

00:54:26.330 - 00:54:32.480

I mean, yeah, it's catching on fire you but it does give I don't give a shit where you're at. You can be an a Bank of America

00:54:32.480 - 00:54:38.810

building in Scotland on the drug, the narrative. It's not just the automobile thing, but yeah, they object to a Muslim my bathroom.

00:54:38.810 - 00:54:47.630

It's like Yeah, we did. Yeah. Mina and we still got a good vehicle is not it didn't. When you do a job for so long, but just guided the guy.

00:54:47.630 - 00:54:54.560

He didn't smoke or drink, like the guy put the doors, all the toys. That question. You get your job, your eyes closed.

00:54:54.560 - 00:54:59.870

If your portrait five-year farm manager can understand it. Now if you're falling down drunk yet, yet a problem.

00:54:59.870 - 00:55:08.780

And music, this is what we should've done now. But the monotony of the job, the heart, the job you have, That's your family.

00:55:08.780 - 00:55:18.260

Your work six days a week time of day that your family know? My wife which were separated from right now she's a she knows she get Zhuo she married.

00:55:18.260 - 00:55:23.810

I'm going over 30 some years and so she gets upset because I want union all the time. I would my job was from

00:55:23.810 - 00:55:33.060

nine to five or a four or advocate maybe. I'd be here for six workshops and Sundays. Didn't get paid for what I had to do it. Right.

00:55:33.060 - 00:55:41.510

I get a call like the I negated plant. Okay. I just wanted to take you had to do so. Okay.

00:55:41.510 - 00:55:50.090

That actually leads right into it. My question would be, what was it like? Like what was the experience? Like having a family

00:55:50.090 - 00:55:58.820

and trying to balance that with work or whatever. My first wife, we just had my son and he's about five.

00:55:58.820 - 00:56:04.680

And we both parties, he lived with pointy guy, drink stuff they get so wouldn't have big thing there.

00:56:04.680 - 00:56:14.770

But, um, we split up by a custody of my son and it was kinda hard still Party, but my parents and my outlaws, I call mammals, mammals.

00:56:14.770 - 00:56:23.560

And they they pretty much helped me when I had baby sitters. They help my son. My son, and I wasn't around left warning. I can always remember.

00:56:23.560 - 00:56:31.410

When I was a kid, my dad would read a lot and to baseball games, stuff like at you, you know, I didn't really know shit.

00:56:31.410 - 00:56:39.340

Mom moms, it'll tell me I knew down and work it. And so until I started doing the job, I didn't realize what it was.

00:56:39.340 - 00:56:45.150

Yeah, my dad was very much involved in a union, told Tom all right. Before I mean, see Stewart start working there.

00:56:45.150 - 00:56:51.470

So actually me an experience and now I understand and I don't hold any animosity toward my dad often not being there for me.

00:56:51.470 - 00:56:57.980

Yeah, nausea from my sound when I could just one of these things like I was there for him. And there's a lot of marriages that are broke up

00:56:57.980 - 00:57:05.420

because of the work there that the time to spend their time it you're away from the family and people don't understand what you do.

00:57:05.420 - 00:57:13.920

A lot of family problem because of the people in a blanket and together, yeah. You know what, you're working with some girl.

00:57:13.920 - 00:57:19.250

By chance, he finds frog here and you shouldn't have talkative and giggling that for a few drinks. It yeah, I'm pretty

00:57:19.250 - 00:57:25.340

naive ducking and it's one of these things. One thing we can know exactly when that cause a problem, since it's it's happening.

00:57:25.340 - 00:57:30.170

I mean, it's it's like you don't want to do is I'm really funny. Absolutely.

00:57:30.170 - 00:57:41.720

Back in 1980s, that's five. But we had a weird bar. This one guy who's now style guide, religious, long-time a look yet,

00:57:41.720 - 00:57:49.280

but we were at a bar, he said across this young lady and she was very well-endowed to speak. And her husband right next door to get.

00:57:49.280 - 00:57:54.830

And so he'd worked with her for years and years and years. And we all were together for years and years. And he wouldn't you should drink.

00:57:54.830 - 00:58:06.740

And so he was sitting across the table from would also be a tweet that went wrong. Her husband Anakin was AS so funny. And we were follower

00:58:06.740 - 00:58:15.690

to place absolutely staggered, like I'd like is to buy goods all about it. But we started drink, I guess. He said, I couldn't help myself.

00:58:15.690 - 00:58:23.460

It was funny, it's shit. But I me and they were still good friends, were all drunk. I mean, my gosh, it's great.

00:58:23.460 - 00:58:34.880

And he's dying. He said, sounds exactly like whoa. Oh, yeah. There's opportunity there. There's there's they're secured and I

00:58:34.880 - 00:58:38.120

believe Me and the which clicks? Oh, yeah. Definitely. Yeah.

00:58:38.120 - 00:58:42.980

Well, yeah, he had some people to hone together. There were actually political political factions in the plant.

00:58:42.980 - 00:58:49.970

There was a Green Slate, which item? I'm Robin Yanni Caucus, which was the bad guys, right. And we thought they wouldn't do

00:58:49.970 - 00:58:58.210

anything wrong way when we're dealing right way we thought than we had the party come in.

00:58:58.210 - 00:59:05.060

That was more or less we communists. They were coming in. I mean, I just want to type of things away. It was so they had

00:59:05.060 - 00:59:11.180

their clicks like that then the adclicks within the clicks. And then we happy we don't want youngish. He were wearing

00:59:11.180 - 00:59:24.920

40 wherever friendly party together. So it was it was it was okay. I mean, the family the family third party talking about it was rough.

00:59:24.920 - 00:59:32.270

Very roughly there were six days a week, ten hours a day. You're single parent. It's very hard. And we allow single mothers in there.

00:59:32.270 - 00:59:38.420

A lot of the work there because they need to have what could they were single, they need their hand. No man, take care of the canvas or

00:59:38.420 - 00:59:50.750

I'm working in and that meet people there. Someone worked as London, but yeah, it's a malicious things is rough. But it's hard to

00:59:50.750 - 00:59:57.600

read a child you put that way unless she had help. I had helped, so wouldn't that bad, but still, homeowners things.

00:59:57.600 - 01:00:05.660

Did the company do anything to make it easier for people who my family, I believe they actually at 1 in time. It wasn't it was in the eighties

01:00:05.660 - 01:00:18.010

have legal was they had a generally they call the committee what they call the program. They actually had a number you call.

01:00:18.010 - 01:00:27.910

They they contracted with a few people that can work in a different course. You know, you work on second shift. Second shift, you go three times,

01:00:27.910 - 01:00:34.720

you get 12 o'clock and won't get finished. She was going to make sure that I have people that knew was going on. So they started they actually

01:00:34.720 - 01:00:42.860

had a list of people you can do to help the baby shifts of I guess sometimes and accommodate for kids depending upon who you were.

01:00:43.050 - 01:00:52.930

If it was legitimate or you just just just screwed off. Some people, be legitimate something more and the supervisor

01:00:52.930 - 01:00:59.170

take care of the ones that were illegitimate for the most part, if he could if he couldn't he couldn't timing people,

01:00:59.170 - 01:01:05.360

doctors appointments, dentist appointment, and fill that gap, but that's anywhere any job There's BY were to Java.

01:01:05.360 - 01:01:12.170

I do now people call me a long time, have a dentist appointment for my I have sharp teeth and we have new bossy well, let me go home.

01:01:12.170 - 01:01:19.260

Much sweeter, better benefits. Nothing has to do for you, right? And so we worked that best we could and we had time we had

01:01:19.260 - 01:01:31.170

sickly we could use and stuff like that. So most people turn the outcasts, but it was rough reason vanity put it that way.

01:01:31.170 - 01:01:39.540

It helps. I was okay. It was still a rough called a hey there certain tonnage? Yes. I'm sorry, guys.

01:01:39.540 - 01:01:44.390

I'm trying to sleeping and he's wanted to do something. You want to play data if you had different type, Absolutely.

01:01:44.390 - 01:01:55.550

So again, do you think that your job at the plant, do you think it helped create a better life for your son or your family in general?

01:01:55.550 - 01:02:03.290

Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt about it. I mean, from my father had when I started my dad with dirt poor which are there and he build

01:02:03.290 - 01:02:12.440

up and you present a unit of one time also. And dad had an eighth grade education. So he made to be president until such a

01:02:12.440 - 01:02:20.750

good comfortable for him Mesa. And he wanted for me what he had and good morning. Good benefits.

01:02:20.750 - 01:02:25.910

I've picked most of it away, but it's one of the things I have in my house now, which is uniform.

01:02:25.910 - 01:02:31.670

We have all these things it so people can't and I'm having a hard time killer whenever because the pressure is going up.

01:02:31.670 - 01:02:40.580

I will retirement now not making money. I was making working two jobs. So let's just color it. It's kinda rough but I mean, I mean,

01:02:40.580 - 01:02:46.790

I'm I'm glad I did. I mean, I had changed that. Said you want to go to college or do you want to wear the Chrysler?

01:02:46.790 - 01:02:52.580

Concerned with recursion? He said, Thank you. I know with you because they call it. But I'm Penny.

01:02:52.580 - 01:02:59.060

Yes. I'm glad I did. I mean, it's it's it's been a life-changing experience. The only the only regret

01:02:59.060 - 01:03:04.560

that I have is that if I, when I first started writing, go into service for couple of years, I really wish I had done that,

01:03:04.560 - 01:03:13.340

but they gave me a different person. But other than that, I don't regret spending all the money on was it like a data point like I did?

01:03:13.340 - 01:03:17.570

Yeah, I wish I'd turn diagram but and I know you've heard it before and you've probably heard again,

01:03:17.570 - 01:03:22.230

if only I knew then what I know now would be a whole different story. But you know. Yeah.

01:03:22.230 - 01:03:30.810

But I'm unhappy with my life. For me, I just want to extend its life happens and I've lived a good life. My dad, my dad turned to 80.

01:03:30.810 - 01:03:40.990

Birthday ghrelin. He started to plant my team, 58, 57. But 1958 was when he started to play. That's amazing. Then he

01:03:40.990 - 01:03:49.850

said Dad, when you go to school, he had one pair of shoes or socks or paired knickers old shirt. And I'm just going to teach him all time.

01:03:49.850 - 01:03:58.210

Now you go to class and he is passive packet tissue to not open socks in it and hear their thing. He wants to know who's birthdays.

01:03:58.210 - 01:04:07.590

Thursday, I don't want to get a p-hat. Every There's not a dad wants and he's often say said Somebody said what? He said. He said When I die, I think

01:04:07.590 - 01:04:13.400

everything I've done other thing I wanted to do might travel, rolling travel my life, everything. I wanted a good family.

01:04:13.400 - 01:04:20.680

So the matter yeah. I mean, and then just tweet it. And so it's yeah, it's been good for our family

01:04:20.680 - 01:04:27.080

who say put a roof over my head, closing my back, I'm putting my table my entire life. I still don't have a pension company data.

01:04:27.080 - 01:04:38.730

Come it didn't have this big house and I had this little small place that very cheap. Yeah, I'd be living large. I doubt it. Okay.

01:04:38.800 - 01:04:46.820

Just to go back. I've met that's four. I'm sorry. Because you have any brothers and sisters? I was just reassure you. I manage sister.

01:04:46.820 - 01:04:55.170

She was long dead now. But she before you're doing that, I am. Okay. I had probably

01:04:55.420 - 01:05:02.320

Three uncles are working to plant my grandfather working plant one time. I've had numerous friends from high school, work and implant.

01:05:02.320 - 01:05:06.980

So it's all been a big family. And like you say to people I've met people I've worked with very, very close you for years.

01:05:06.980 - 01:05:17.690

He had royal family. Yeah. So all right. So if we can can we I'd like to get into

01:05:17.690 - 01:05:24.010

this stuff about the union with that because I'm really interested in and out. That's how did you first learn about the UAW?

01:05:24.010 - 01:05:31.480

Where I was I was involved in even before us are working to implant actually, we have what's called a ditch,

01:05:31.480 - 01:05:40.580

the Walter Ruther Educational Center, which an IOA, Michigan. Now Walter Ruther, which basically founded the UAW,

01:05:40.580 - 01:05:49.730

was building educational center there and he and his wife were involved in the plane reckon both died for opened. But it's a beautiful,

01:05:49.730 - 01:05:59.300

beautiful, beautiful cetera. And each year they have classes up there and it will cost me 50 bucks. They'll pay for airfare.

01:05:59.300 - 01:06:05.310

And what kind of stuff really look mean you pay for airfare because they take the debug for you finally got there and spent two weeks.

01:06:05.310 - 01:06:20.920

And I think it was 197074 blooms in 1974 when I first went up there for a two-week thing. And I've always been a people person.

01:06:20.920 - 01:06:29.270

And I was elected president of a mock local up there. And so they had a Kluge Center. And I gotta key to Teen Center.

01:06:29.270 - 01:06:38.000

So I will try to teen center. And so I had a blast. I mean, it just had a black hole. A young girl appear on what?

01:06:38.000 - 01:06:44.120

17? While young girl up there, we're having a blast, trust, we had a glass. There are no trick a new

01:06:44.120 - 01:06:50.660

potently we had here. So there's that part. We'll look at. And I had to chair I

01:06:50.660 - 01:07:00.860

didn't get a good resolution that then from the body. And I'd never spoke pollutants like that. I'm talking about very much. Yeah, it

01:07:00.860 - 01:07:09.570

was it was neat and I said point from different people when we had some I will go back to the half shot and I asked and he was harassed and all speakers to

01:07:09.570 - 01:07:16.130

make just making a ruckus cylinder, you start harassing me. What a guy, Joseph, just tell him this, I didn't those goods.

01:07:16.130 - 01:07:25.790

I really enjoyed the camaraderie. And knowing that these people here are making life better for someone else, we can working

01:07:25.790 - 01:07:34.040

conditions but their bargaining to get better money but are beneficial. Like Yeah, that's what I liked about it. And so when I

01:07:34.040 - 01:07:43.280

first started working in a plant, I think it was there probably a year, maybe two before I ran for election, Lesson 2,

01:07:43.280 - 01:07:56.480

but he hasn't given you probably 12 years to over 12 and 14 year election committee. And being only less than committee. I will share my coming in

01:07:56.480 - 01:08:01.910

the voting booth from the pleasure. I get to know a lot people that when they get. And so I did that for

01:08:01.910 - 01:08:09.840

1214 years and I ran for recording secretary, one that I'm done with the vice president and the president SOD.

01:08:09.840 - 01:08:14.420

I've always been involved. Yeah. I was actually a benefit rep for awhile, alternate about

01:08:14.420 - 01:08:21.260

a rep help people to benefits. And so it's, uh, I enjoy doing that because it help the people.

01:08:21.260 - 01:08:33.200

And I j eight to 10 percent of people we had represented, rest of them were just doing her job. Yeah.

01:08:33.200 - 01:08:40.620

But us blogging helped everybody like for stuff in the plane are the worst part of our job will take care of

01:08:40.620 - 01:08:45.730

10 percent people to screwed-up older. Yeah. And the people that worked all the time did a job or day,

01:08:45.730 - 01:08:52.990

they really pissed off because we spent so much time working with them and we get this guy get 57 times, you get it by the charge of the federal law,

01:08:52.990 - 01:08:58.430

we have to do so, but i and u represent the people. I still do it right now how people with a job I deal with department labor.

01:08:58.430 - 01:09:05.140

So that's just it was instilled in me, my father. He brought me up right by the guys in the Green Slate.

01:09:05.140 - 01:09:13.900

That was I was very into that. And so I taught a lot body all guys put that way. I was taught, I've taught a lot.

01:09:13.900 - 01:09:20.800

And those guys maybe what I am today and some people who say it's a good thing. So people say I'm an ASL, but it may be the man I am today.

01:09:20.800 - 01:09:27.400

And it's just wanted to thank you notes. I have no regrets about what I've done. I've help all people I can help people to, I hate.

01:09:27.400 - 01:09:32.750

That's a bad where people are just like normally, like if they got prompt my help with Judge part of

01:09:32.750 - 01:09:39.710

my job and a lot people understood that about me. I mean, like, you know, I can't stand it but I have a job. Take care.

01:09:39.710 - 01:09:48.920

Yeah. And I did that right. Just way it is. All right. So what were your first activities that you had

01:09:48.920 - 01:09:56.330

to being part of the union of Christ? Basically just the working reelection committee. Yeah.

01:09:56.330 - 01:10:05.880

That involve setting the elections up, putting the voting machine in the tables into trailers, helped set the tables up and just

01:10:05.880 - 01:10:10.950

check people in a team data type, you want to lift that leg? Yes. Right.

01:10:10.950 - 01:10:17.000

Okay. Although a lot of committees, they have different standing committees. Community service, community, I'll

01:10:17.000 - 01:10:25.700

share that for a long time. No. See, I don't feel the Committee on Education Committee as well,

01:10:25.700 - 01:10:37.830

but it's just all part of a particular answer. My next question is to ask about committees. Now it's perfect.

01:10:38.440 - 01:10:45.530

Example, stand out from their committee work or anything in particular that you remember what we had and we still do it.

01:10:45.530 - 01:10:54.530

Actually, there's not really a committee right now it does it, but we have a food closet at our local union, stored it in the chat,

01:10:54.530 - 01:11:00.500

I think when it was started in the eighties, I guess it wasn't maybe late 70s, immature. What? We have food closet basically for our guys.

01:11:00.500 - 01:11:08.210

You got laid off. Right? But then we started getting to meet a 501C3, I think it is to have a few clouded your non-profit.

01:11:08.210 - 01:11:16.100

And we had to open up to the public, which we didn't want to, community, which we didn't mind. And Every year we

01:11:16.100 - 01:11:24.340

on Thanksgiving from Easter, we give our Thanksgiving baskets in Easter baskets. And some of the people

01:11:24.340 - 01:11:31.880

really deserve it, some don't. But I mean, the ones that really deserve, would they they thank you all to hone. Your getting food is

01:11:31.880 - 01:11:38.390

donated to you and he attributed to them. So you're not doing a whole lot but just seen their eyes are there, they're thankful for his stuff now it's it's

01:11:38.390 - 01:11:45.140

really I enjoy doing that kind of stuff. That's, that's type of stamp type of someone stands out whenever someone goes on a strike and

01:11:45.140 - 01:11:51.260

you raise money for when you take a big old check, your local union only show a family there. They're not making any money, right?

01:11:51.260 - 01:11:59.130

So that's to help them out. So you actually do an esco going to the conventions? Yeah, in California, in Vegas,

01:11:59.130 - 01:12:05.750

and seeing people from all over the country, all over the world, Puerto Rico, Canada, everywhere you'll meet different people.

01:12:05.750 - 01:12:13.850

So much stuff that I enjoyed. So I think I'll never forget. It seems like you've been a lot of places. Yeah.

01:12:13.850 - 01:12:24.380

I travel a lot with the UAW made specifically for the Union. Like what kind of things would they do with like, for example,

01:12:24.380 - 01:12:30.310

if there's a disagreement over a certain job or if a worker, how fast the workers supposed to do something, well,

01:12:30.310 - 01:12:36.860

what would the union you to step in and while they had they have a time study industrial engineers.

01:12:36.860 - 01:12:42.680

Okay. And their job is to time say to jobs to make sure you have

01:12:42.680 - 01:12:49.390

enough time to do the jobs. And now the constant battle in the plan, content about or be able to, David left his cause a battle.

01:12:49.390 - 01:12:58.090

Because like you said, you have the guys that push pencils to say, this'll work. You can do it this way. Well.

01:12:58.090 - 01:13:04.560

In actuality, it won't work that way because you can't do it that way. Sometimes it's physically impossible to what looks good on paper.

01:13:04.560 - 01:13:10.220

And so we would have to get his constantly going to come down. A lot of our stewards and commit even alive or

01:13:10.220 - 01:13:16.480

UN officials were proficient in doing a timestamp? Yeah, They know how to time a job. She how does it

01:13:16.480 - 01:13:26.480

know when a guy's dick around animals not and so a lot of imagination in that. And sometimes they know he's not, they're getting pressure to cut the jobs.

01:13:26.480 - 01:13:38.420

And so they don't really care. They cut they cut people, they cut jobs. And it's really roughly you don't like. But there are if

01:13:38.420 - 01:13:44.960

they had to give me a curious age, if they had to, they already believe until the job. Sometimes sometimes you guys

01:13:44.960 - 01:13:51.350

for your support of it, sometimes you got to bring on themselves because they wouldn't they put things

01:13:51.350 - 01:13:56.810

on a raw some advice from lunchtime, we weren't paying attention. Do you think wrongly getting when they get in trouble for that.

01:13:56.810 - 01:14:03.580

But if there was something that was we could do that, we would do it. We would all you argue for, for workers, listen,

01:14:03.580 - 01:14:11.440

a job that will work, it'll gives you what to say to each other, work there. And so sometimes we want some thought, we didn't just play this.

01:14:11.440 - 01:14:16.550

And what about the other works they respect to union priming that the workers respect for the most part

01:14:16.550 - 01:14:22.970

you did a lot of them did. We had a lot of them that didn't like the anion because of sometime they saw favoritism.

01:14:22.970 - 01:14:29.100

So it's like an end because it helped so many people that are always in trouble held a job that people didn't realize that.

01:14:29.100 - 01:14:38.000

I have a lady that got up and she tells people now the reason the plant close because I and the other private employee left,

01:14:38.000 - 01:14:50.630

didn't get a local agreements like platelets. Platelets, which is so far from the truth. What I'm going to stop. There's always going to be

01:14:50.630 - 01:14:58.880

people dislike a use for whatever. Yeah. But I'd say the majority of people respected the ceiling because they

01:14:58.880 - 01:15:04.210

know they did for a lot. People know that if a one for union they wouldn't have the money to have common in there.

01:15:04.210 - 01:15:12.480

We had supervisors with respect to the mean because whenever we gotta take arrays, so their fruit unfortunately I couldn't get, couldn't show it.

01:15:12.480 - 01:15:18.530

But you know that whenever they got it right, like I already said, they they respect his tune. We have supervisors that are

01:15:18.530 - 01:15:25.070

good people that were understandably wouldn't be happy with our assholes. And we had we had managed people that were on more drugs and people in line.

01:15:25.070 - 01:15:29.990

So I mean, it's just wanted, It's, there are people too. Ok. And for the most part

01:15:29.990 - 01:15:36.710

a Muslim below that we have some people that were good people that work for people. We allows coordinated

01:15:36.710 - 01:15:44.090

movement in infrastructure of the coordinator and a supervisor, bill Maryann and Bessie, we're we're we're heading there.

01:15:44.090 - 01:15:48.830

We didn't seem until Friday to bring Chechnya. We ran here. If we had a problem with array,

01:15:48.830 - 01:15:57.470

when you call a serious problem, we call him. He's like just we we ran area. That was good. It was cool that that's the way the MOE

01:15:57.470 - 01:16:02.090

supposed to work, right? Where suppose your ordinary, whatever problem I need good call maintenance.

01:16:02.090 - 01:16:09.590

I need to call sanitation. I'm going to call it and receive inspection is less legalistic. Don't hangovers.

01:16:09.590 - 01:16:19.310

Yeah. So, but yes, I say Latvia, which bucket for? Yeah, yeah. But Freud commercial people,

01:16:19.310 - 01:16:31.970

the G7 are prompted to people that didn't mean they call you names. But yeah, I wouldn't call it big couple

01:16:31.970 - 01:16:39.260

they needed they didn't feel really good. Way of just part of the job. Can't please everybody. There's not going to have, as mentioned,

01:16:39.260 - 01:16:46.730

him Charles, madame president. He was, he lost all kinds of weakness on volumes and all that kind of stuff.

01:16:46.730 - 01:16:54.330

Charlie come down on when he finally lost a job that he was president, got guy beating. The best thing, we're halfway there.

01:16:54.330 - 01:16:59.770

The pressure was gone because he tried to help everybody. He dried too, please. Yeah. When you can't do that.

01:16:59.770 - 01:17:06.120

And there's people I know I can't plead on, we'll try. But if I can't help you, I can't help you. And if you don't like what I'm doing, things,

01:17:06.120 - 01:17:12.910

tough shit, I'm done for the benefit of the people. But dad tried to bury way in which this dead I trial people too,

01:17:12.910 - 01:17:22.100

but you can only go so for defense. And to give you a perfect example, one language. He was fired seven times.

01:17:22.100 - 01:17:29.440

My dad got a job back and other people got a job at 7 times 8 time, couldn't get a job back. My dad's liquids a little bitch.

01:17:29.440 - 01:17:37.590

Women get you back. Well well, yeah, we didn't nobody thought we pull it shouldn't have been desktop. So it's always illegal at FJ.

01:17:37.590 - 01:17:45.290

So you think having your dad, being a union man really help you out almost double both diblock. He taught me a lot of things.

01:17:45.290 - 01:17:52.310

Taught me a lot, taught me a lot things that people don't realize that like, you know, if you're if you have a job and you're like,

01:17:52.310 - 01:18:00.560

why does it benefit rep, especially for recording secondary, never stored accompaniment. But if you tell somebody you

01:18:00.560 - 01:18:04.790

don't know and you're in the bathroom and you get back little mantra, right? Because yet you may talk to you, Michelle,

01:18:04.790 - 01:18:10.310

I'm not sure I'll get back with you and I will get back with you. In that piss people off. You want to make sure that if

01:18:10.310 - 01:18:15.320

you tell somebody you don't know, first and foremost, if you don't know something, don't say, Don't get me

01:18:15.320 - 01:18:27.860

wrong as you go back and say Yeah, I go back and saying It's saying that if you knew the contract, if you do what's in the contract and how to

01:18:27.860 - 01:18:33.830

interpret it the best you could get along fine. Because it's the half-note your dorm a lot of

01:18:33.830 - 01:18:40.700

times people get pissed off mix. I've got away with Tanisha, post-colonial contract and it halfway good lines here.

01:18:40.700 - 01:18:46.700

I'm right here. I know, you know, job like that. People got Pizzo collect these jobs when I had to

01:18:46.700 - 01:18:58.060

do signposting, he had do this yet. I had a lot of people saw me and your dad did that for you Then? He taught me Hallelujah.

01:18:58.060 - 01:19:05.840

I've had people tell me that your dad? My dad, he did give me my benefit rep job. He did. You that won't say that method.

01:19:05.840 - 01:19:10.520

Yeah, the fault from us off diagonal deal with it. Yeah. Whatever necessary. You do it.

01:19:10.520 - 01:19:17.180

You gotta do a good job. A better job. Would you happy fight to get it? That's where you think the best advice I

01:19:17.180 - 01:19:26.410

got from them was they also people? Great advice. Thank you, Kate, because if you if you start line,

01:19:26.410 - 01:19:36.510

you won't be caught up. So why we have we have a union official in particular in hate that people here didn't, I don't know who he is.

01:19:36.510 - 01:19:42.940

He would tell one person one thing is that dividend skull traits. He tell one person one thing and one trade terminally ill tree job,

01:19:42.940 - 01:19:50.160

exact opposite. And so they'd be fighting back and forth until they got together right. Now, tell me what he told him.

01:19:50.160 - 01:19:57.940

That they were really pissed off. I need him to eat on it. He just trying to pacify people to get elected until I got blasted.

01:19:57.940 - 01:20:07.570

Still, as well as thankless EB and also the people. So the union, When do you think the height of its strength

01:20:07.570 - 01:20:16.550

was and do you think that changed over time or do you think it was like a constant? It was pretty much the same until they mean and chill.

01:20:16.720 - 01:20:25.390

They started cutting the shifts that we weren't we weren't you shift a shift. Half the people plant. That's whenever we started getting weaker and weaker,

01:20:25.390 - 01:20:33.370

sense that we're weaker, we saw the same functions of, I guess, should we have people to Bacchus? And our International Union didn't Bacchus.

01:20:33.370 - 01:20:43.640

And a lot of ways they should have batters. So ticket weaker, union get weaker as it did. I mean, we didn't have wildly poverty because especially wherever they

01:20:43.640 - 01:20:50.710

share would ever closed the plant. We're trying to negotiate a contract. They wanted to take we want to get or this give us what he was what we had.

01:20:50.710 - 01:21:03.290

Now they want to take a closer plant. We know we have Noah lived with it. So don't take told by the way, things work in a planned way.

01:21:03.290 - 01:21:14.880

People perceive the union we had when they closed the plant. They had about 60 or 80 people that had was they were on was called grow into retirement.

01:21:14.880 - 01:21:24.570

Yeah. Crush again 85% of their pay until they get to 30 years. And yet it yet to be 50 years or less and had 20 years when you only show,

01:21:24.570 - 01:21:33.020

this guy just got to find what he had 28 years and for two years. Maybe 5% pay for doing nothing really work anyway,

01:21:33.020 - 01:21:38.630

I want you to get to this page. We did. I had to be pissed off about gathered together. She had network. So you know,

01:21:38.630 - 01:21:43.730

you can't be mad ethical. Thank you. Yes. So where are we? I'm sorry.

01:21:43.730 - 01:21:52.520

I'd like to move on to the closing of a plant. A lot of the books that we read, people said constantly There's

01:21:52.520 - 01:21:58.310

remember that the plant closing, no one really ever believe them who, who did like rumors like this app and they were closed,

01:21:58.310 - 01:22:04.450

they planted they asked out and walk in it. Those rumors or what you got what Tom I'm sorry. Let me close with plant.

01:22:04.450 - 01:22:10.730

Yeah. There will be getting my time in and that will only friend decode the plant all the time.

01:22:10.730 - 01:22:19.250

Alternative credit. And whenever Jim Wolf came in as a plant manager who's down Chamber Congress chair.

01:22:19.250 - 01:22:23.870

His job was to shut the platinum. Yeah. That's what that's what they said they wish at the point of

01:22:23.870 - 01:22:31.640

view on what year was a key with here. But he came in to shut the plant down. And no one really knew that too. I did plant closed somebody by knowing what you know,

01:22:31.640 - 01:22:42.380

but they came out afterwards. When he came in and he saw the workforce and the people in the plant, and how they mourn

01:22:42.380 - 01:22:47.570

to work and how they do the good job. He'd like to people he liked the workforce, right? And there's people

01:22:47.570 - 01:22:56.430

from other plants actually, from other plants accumulated work. And they said, I wish I had your workforce with my claim.

01:22:56.430 - 01:23:04.350

Because there's a pretty shitty workforces that there's some very radical people. There's plants they've burned. She had a Tarasoff up sabotaging.

01:23:04.350 - 01:23:14.000

So you just want to send with them? They've been talking about closed the plant for a long, long time. And we knew they're

01:23:14.000 - 01:23:18.200

going to close and plants, we know which ones they want to play. Well, we knew it was coming because the trouble they're

01:23:18.200 - 01:23:25.910

in they can't afford chemo there. They are under capacity there. And so we were we thought we'd be okay

01:23:25.910 - 01:23:29.560

because we had a good plan. We had good work. What will the good vehicle? Yeah.

01:23:29.560 - 01:23:41.120

But we're so far removed from Detroit. You see the writing on the wall? And we fought whenever I took over as President.

01:23:41.120 - 01:23:48.200

Nine days later they made after the closing plants. And the first one a communist, one of the first but the

01:23:48.200 - 01:23:53.780

French call a John according to kinda go over in the map, you see if we can do it there. We're going to do we're going to

01:23:53.780 - 01:23:59.830

try upkeep played out, looks like but yeah. We were lucky when we heard about yeah. Sure.

01:23:59.830 - 01:24:07.400

John, he's he was in Detroit. He went to Germany where he could do to keep it open and they wanted

01:24:07.400 - 01:24:12.050

money that we told the plant. I can put the tellers small state, we don't have the right to how we won't do it.

01:24:12.050 - 01:24:22.340

But he's messed up. So they fought for a while afterward. And the back of my mind, I think that from the beginning

01:24:22.340 - 01:24:30.740

it was the end because we rarely want to question what the alerts and plants. And I think some other politicians

01:24:30.740 - 01:24:37.700

actually helped university again. So just one of those things. Yeah. The answer is horrible.

01:24:37.700 - 01:24:47.180

See it being torn down right now. When I first will bind, saw the university dollar sign with downward graduates.

01:24:47.180 - 01:24:53.870

I can almost cried. I can embed or bad. I mean, it's a hit. And to see them

01:24:53.870 - 01:25:01.520

turn it down now it's just terrible. They told my corporate download it partway. I throw that down a bit. It hurt me bad too because I don't

01:25:01.520 - 01:25:08.210

like that work there were there was still I still see the bathroom there. Yeah. And it's not just the crotchet plant them okra plant,

01:25:08.210 - 01:25:13.820

you had that weird plant and maybe the seats you have place it did or headlines with people, people with better in certain panels,

01:25:13.820 - 01:25:19.810

you had a field that are glass and the mom and pop store with the grocery stores. Yeah.

01:25:19.810 - 01:25:27.710

That's all her by Randy good water right now. See when they are just horrendous. I have a friend of mine working in there on a demo.

01:25:27.710 - 01:25:38.270

He's not supposed to be doing it, but he's annuities that but that way. Then it's to set. Let's assume that no, we

01:25:38.270 - 01:25:46.550

describe feeling the gist. This hurts your heart for that like this is so you never thought a plough today. What should imagine

01:25:46.550 - 01:25:53.330

everybody close their place. And you have, say, retirees at the hall now, when we have a retirees meeting, they were there when I started.

01:25:53.330 - 01:25:57.950

Okay. Then, you know, they can tell you same thing in detail. We should have got closer plant,

01:25:57.950 - 01:26:06.570

would they ever thought they do it? But why it happened? Do you remember when it first hit you that you notice Virial?

01:26:09.160 - 01:26:15.320

Basically, not too long after they made and that's like learning isn't what we can do. I mean, it's when we had a meeting,

01:26:15.320 - 01:26:25.210

we had Joe Biden was there, tom cooper, White Castle, telecom recording representative JJ Johnson, who used to be president.

01:26:25.210 - 01:26:33.470

And we had a crisis management narrowing after it's all said and done and I pretty much knew again and we went through everything.

01:26:33.470 - 01:26:42.290

Yeah. And I'm sorry, I hold out hope for a long time. Unless you're when it was exactly hit me, one will be ideal, but I knew back

01:26:42.290 - 01:26:53.680

then people wouldn't believe me. We had pneumonia give crashes do it? Right. Do you know when that was? When he closed? When they had the meeting?

01:26:53.680 - 01:27:05.420

Are you really thought that was in 2008? That's at least they made in that nephew in 2007. 2007. They made

01:27:05.420 - 01:27:14.020

the announcement January 14th, 2007, but they were close to blame. Went too long after that that we had that meeting.

01:27:14.020 - 01:27:19.310

Called I call it I call, you know. Yeah. And so they called me and said I'm eating up their women and

01:27:19.310 - 01:27:28.580

the plant manager conference room with his meeting joke. It wasn't a good time. Trust me. What was the feeling among

01:27:28.580 - 01:27:37.690

all the other workers? Betrayal. Yeah. Definitely betrayal. Because they did build a good vehicle.

01:27:37.690 - 01:27:44.500

They're the people that do care. They didn't do good vehicle. I mean, all about the auto workers would be a piece of shit

01:27:44.500 - 01:27:50.710

and low life and they don't care. They make too much money and they're making little feed your family image and

01:27:50.710 - 01:27:55.300

a small versus what you say, very small percentage of them, they're screw ups. The rest of them.

01:27:55.300 - 01:28:06.460

And I had a guy one day at a store. Hmac, I don't thing you can do I undo. I can't say that networking plan. I think when you work with your paycheck,

01:28:06.460 - 01:28:13.630

scenic all the problems that he knew, why don't we get then that all the people entering that plant from the autonomy worked out an alert.

01:28:13.630 - 01:28:20.200

Like I do. A lot of people with rpois never met Netflix and they come in, they punch in, they

01:28:20.200 - 01:28:30.580

do their job, they go home. They had little to do with a union. Then doing magically go into Django radiation and allow people like that.

01:28:30.580 - 01:28:40.120

I say I'd say 9090 to ninety-five percent of the plant was that way they go into the job at Nike, people have problem to pay or certain

01:28:40.120 - 01:28:45.310

issue to supervise it being assholes like app and get involved. But for the most part, when you did a job with

01:28:45.310 - 01:28:57.700

whom took care to February. So you said after you left the lower the the benefits like well, we first left to benefit your bouquet,

01:28:57.700 - 01:29:03.150

but then when I went through bankruptcy, like you said, it retirees lost there vision and dental. Right.

01:29:03.150 - 01:29:12.180

And we pay more for towards retirement with the patient was more a month. And that really pissed law.

01:29:12.180 - 01:29:17.860

People often mean when I say when I was your age? Yeah. Perfect. I say until about 45 years. Yeah.

01:29:17.860 - 01:29:24.290

Perfect eyesight. Now I'm getting older. I need I need my teeth or what used to be? Who need to dental vision more

01:29:24.290 - 01:29:30.320

retire reader pack the people and the epistle our retirees off. I mean, I understand that they need to for a kid,

01:29:30.320 - 01:29:35.380

so I kind of stuff you should take away from anybody but they hadn't you get somebody guess what? They got us.

01:29:35.380 - 01:29:43.250

The separate benefit, you're still good for me. That'll pay anything for authors as is now with the pale episode I lost with it.

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And a lot of retirees are in bad health because they gave a lot more people out people overlay and put that way. You guys came before me.

01:29:55.290 - 01:30:02.910

There. I'm gonna get shit for question. They are in bad shape and need medical care

01:30:02.910 - 01:30:09.170

and they good especially cost. We had alpha for specialist. They don't get much pension under guys a level of 700

01:30:09.170 - 01:30:23.420

optimal for pension, How you don't want it. So this rough. Okay, And the last question that I have here is who, if anyone,

01:30:23.420 - 01:30:38.570

do you think would be responsible for the person medical management of Chrysler or downward 500? Move girl, I want to talk to me, but,

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um, they they mismanaged so bad. It wouldn't funny. I mean, there was legislated issues. I did things I gave you about

01:30:47.180 - 01:30:54.400

when we had the the bad parts coming in, they bought the cheap portion. That's the ratio. If able to continue to put a good portion,

01:30:54.400 - 01:31:01.160

truck and Donald are supposed to do, who knows what will happen, what will still be open? I don't know, but I

01:31:01.160 - 01:31:06.260

think mismanagement did it. They did what? They did want to listen to the people they wanted.

01:31:06.260 - 01:31:13.690

They learn from the, from the gas crisis in the seventies and eighties and then 74 when gas prices they didn't,

01:31:13.690 - 01:31:21.860

they learned in their community makes it smaller course. I don't know how true it is. But I was told that

01:31:21.860 - 01:31:37.460

software engineers had small cars already lined up ready to go, which you've eaten. Think. They supposedly had a couple of the engineers

01:31:37.460 - 01:31:47.750

that had the groups. I guess they have small cars are designed where I had Democrats to the Chrysler engineers had

01:31:47.750 - 01:31:57.470

cars designed who came in. And apparently they want to deter said she was running down one side of the pond

01:31:57.470 - 01:32:05.470

and told me so we have a small cars here. And suppose this kind of was we came back when it was more cars. Really.

01:32:05.470 - 01:32:13.640

I don't know how true that is. I believe it downward has all the Mercedes, others more cars while there was some wires. So I believe that could've been said.

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I don't know if half the actual is, but that's the type of mentality that I believe is what causes the leadership for it. I mean, when they talk about with

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$9 billion, not different, what do you do to epistle, what you should've invested in the questionnaire.

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So, but Mismanagement is what causes their job and not there's not the workers. Trust me tonight because

01:32:35.540 - 01:32:47.810

if we if they would have run with language, both are one the way we agreed you what written by David. So I think it's one thing.

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If you could just briefly elaborate. I found it interesting when you're talking about the jumble, I never got anything that they could do.

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The jungle was in The Body Shop. Basically. You had the car will come in and they'd be all the small. There'd be a flat piece for the, for pain.

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And then that will go into machine. And B, some part will only have we call it big blue is a big giant machine that will

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portray they will put on a conveyor, then it will go down the line. And they had spot where guns all way around. It's a big giant

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over great, big giant interval. And you had different parking, well-known yellow fixture low think look clamp to hold on.

01:33:34.610 - 01:33:42.380

To that, right? Well, I mean, only type of thing then. It was called The Jungle because of all the cables

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hanging down from the state. The cables are this big anyhow, low low water cable to keep it from my lips. Like it shouldn't look like a jump.

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It was that's what I recall. When it was a huge place and it was a nasty play dirty place. When you go into the Joan going to

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walk across a little breathe. And all the, all the core 0, carry 1, 0. And he said bridge like well it got over again.

01:34:06.310 - 01:34:14.660

They had some pet rats in there. They've gotten big. And it was quite dirty, nasty place, nasty, nasty place.

01:34:14.660 - 01:34:20.270

And it was just it was the armpit of the plant, so to speak, was really good at math into work and you had to be

01:34:20.270 - 01:34:26.810

a special kind of person, I guess, or low seniority. But suddenly got a good job than I did a little CO2 with them

01:34:26.810 - 01:34:32.540

there and they had to put all the parts together. They had thing called the they had to marry pH,

01:34:32.540 - 01:34:41.480

whenever to the under body payable come in turn. And they had these big giant gauge private patho side calls

01:34:41.480 - 01:34:49.280

at wall maybe, but that will. And they gotta load parts into different clamps of like get. And they bring that side

01:34:49.280 - 01:34:58.190

together and decided together. And these big bars tone together and clamp them in. And so then they would do well,

01:34:58.190 - 01:35:05.420

decides to the core by hand side this long, productive I guess. It was a regular yeah. Will not get killed by

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on because he had the weld the VM rocker panel down here like yes. And he was missing once we leave that like yes.

01:35:12.410 - 01:35:17.740

And he said butterflies, they held the gates in it. Big giant things like is it clay, middle, back and question.

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Chrysler at price? Yeah. It was bad. And it was a it was a bad place to work. We had one light but it wasn't for him one. We had a guy was a had

01:35:29.570 - 01:35:38.350

a prosthetic arm and it wasn't just two pictures. What pubertal male pitch local click yes or Pinterest.

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Rough edges will use them with him. He had part of the arm horizontal. And using the CO2 blue screen was they thought the FMLA,

01:35:51.850 - 01:36:02.190

that quote, he welded hand and flipping. It wasn't fully what it was. I mean, he was pissed. Rain will kind of help.

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I would've met and we found out what happened. I mean, it was was that he was okay. So please okay.

01:36:07.190 - 01:36:12.540

Layer oh my God. But it goes from that to this guy get killed DNA, which are very, very,

01:36:12.540 - 01:36:20.750

very rough place to work. I mean, it was I donate pictures. They've got a picture somewhere I have. So I did have a lot of pitches or effect.

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University dollar probably has a lot of pictures from the general via London who had him. They threw out a lot of stuff.

01:36:27.320 - 01:36:33.320

It's really stupid. When they refurbished upfront and the administration don't need to add lot of stuff.

01:36:33.320 - 01:36:38.570

One of our guys got a lot of stuff out the trash and kept it. Thank God. Yes. We have the original tank coming out of

01:36:38.570 - 01:36:47.760

the plant in a movie. So we have largish of like yeah, yeah. Who think that wraps up the questions for the interview.

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Thank you. Sung. Yeah, get me started. Relief implement the IEP. This is a completion of the interview. It's about 710 on Tuesday, April 19th.