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From now. Great. Thank you so much. We hope. I'm sorry. One more question. My hand on it just as easy as plugging

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it into the USB, that commodity. Or again, if we go like that and we need help, not nonverbal.

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The toughest part. Now I just need to quickly open an email from Roger. Roger. Now you just got your name

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from her meeting. Okay. But I I I've been there and I agree with number times we know. Oh, that's right.

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He worries that mutual be dealt with them. Because he's not in a well, yeah, he's I think he's to be a full-time professor here. Okay.

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Just very yeah, this was the Abishek I was talking to you about that after there's a, there's a farm and philosophies,

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am yes, Very interesting that you're making official. Yeah, no problem. Okay. So let's say you

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were born in Wilmington person you say my name, right? Andy McKay. That the Third Esquire, SB1070.

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What's your name? William a. Mckay. Okay. And where were you born?

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In Wilmington, Delaware. Ends. Sorry. So how did you first hear about the Chrysler fact that you have family that work there or no.

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I did not have any family working up the price for plan. But my stepfather and worthy General Motors plant.

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Actually, when I got out the army, I took a week off and did nothing and then started looking for jobs. And my mother and having to work in

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the unemployment office at eight and western woman. And she was introduced me to a few people. And one guy says you ought to go down to

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the Chrysler plant. They may be higher. I didn't know where it was ins give you an idea. So I like that air and I had like

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a brief interview and the guy says sunlight to the effect that, well, look, I got your name and number,

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probably in about a week. Okay. So Island mode. And I didn't feel very excited about this answer.

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And so I went out to look for another job and I had a job offer and I accepted a job working on the railroad,

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New Castle, they didn't even a plan for the blue up there. A few years after it was going to go to work there.

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Literally big explosion, four or 5 thousand that there's a car, family chemical plant chemicals, 45 people to kill.

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But anyway, so that Friday afternoon and I was supposed to start, Addison was named Emily and I was supposed to

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start there Monday morning. I had a call from for guys. Okay. Come on. We're ready.

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And what happened was they were going to change or where the plants essentially stuck down and a fixed thing. Major things we've done and all that.

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So they didn't need anybody for a week or two. So now that's fine. You guys as well. How much

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the other people I was in offering and I sold him. He isn't what we'll do a little better, you know,

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better than that considerably like 15 or 20 percent, I forget. There's only one downfall once you're coming. What's that going to work second shift.

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So just coming out of the army didn't make a lot of money and norming fun. Well, lower the lower the hours. The second shift was

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variable depending on production schedule, but normally you would say from four to 1234 PM for the halfway point. So you said you were to

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just come back from the army. How how long did you, sir, where we're we're very wet years. I served and July 9th,

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1964 through July 7th, 1967. Military two years. Lyndon wants 29 days. I went in as a private one

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like everyone does, destroys as an E5. And just give you an idea. An enlisted man ranks that goes and B1, B9.

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So I already went over half of it. In less than three years. I was a For wherever wherever you station. Well, majority time for

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36 months, two months, word for Jackson, South Carolina, basic trading two months for Benjamin Harrison, Indiana.

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That's learning the school, how army pays dollar ways of doing things. And then 32 months of Fort Campbell, Kentucky when

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President Obama was fun, That's right. Yeah. I was there and find it and jump out of airplanes.

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Now. Do you have friends that were over in Vietnam at that time? Steps. Those steps with

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my step brother that Kildare said, yeah, I didn't get a volunteer, but if I name my name was called. I want to let you know.

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It's still hit home for us, still vapors. So yeah, it was it was a valuable experience. So 1964 was your first year held, read them AT right out of high school.

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Those I wasn't a stellar student and I didn't know what I wanted to do. So said, well now we'll try it. See what happens.

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And you went to high school in Washington. That's where you Well, I went to conrad, which is outside of woman's goods. Now forelimb.

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And I don't know, I learned I learned a lot of practical things in the military. So he said you

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you got the call from Chrysler, you're wearing staffing and they said, Okay, we want yet. And then I went to work as

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well as diabetic well as urine. Well, it was my job. Well, there's like a strictly clerical job. Do you see you every new bid price

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live more than one. Tells you how much more suggestive manufacturing, retail cost of that.

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Well, I did for mountain given to guide evolution, one car on the window. And that's why they're very monotonous,

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but hopefully I didn't make many mistakes. So that was your first job? Yes. How long? So that's that was starting in 960,

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said 668 now, excuse me, 6767. Right. I did that for maybe about 56 months, maybe long eight months because I took a leave of

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absence and I went to school and college. And I went to school in Tennessee or Austin Peay State University, which is which was right near Fort Campbell,

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Kentucky. It's ten miles away. So I knew the area. Firstly, I also knew the school's little easier the universe in Delaware.

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And I was out of school for four years. So I had to get back in the groove study that I did. And it was it was kind

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of ironic because I had a car. I was like 22 or 23 year-old freshman. And I had a far ends like from Sunday night

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through Thursday night, I was with the library and study my room as with the library, Friday and Saturday night.

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But in finding out, I will go on. Yeah. Well, I was only about an hour from Nashville,

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so I'd get down there. And did you meet other people at the at the base that knows everything. I say that I'm still friends

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with 45, um, and actually, three years ago we had a man and a guy from Washington State flew in the chicago and we

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went out and visit four guys we remote third, one was in Wisconsin, one was in Illinois, and Indiana Jones in Missouri.

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That was the idea because they're all relatively close to one node above that same area. So what did you what did you study?

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Business? At Austin Peay. And then after a while, after a year there, came here 12 universe don't graduate. And 73.

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If any university or for you graduated and 73. What was your motivation to to go to leave the Chrysler plant?

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He said after four or five months and go out to Tennessee, Basel, I took a leave of absence to go to school.

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Let's see, I knew that the school is either an idea how to get back in the groove of studying. So I went there.

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And then once I pass law that when I transfer my credits up here with the ones they talk. It was kind of funny

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because paused and he was on a quarter system and toddlers in a semester system. So you can see I'm

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holding some scanning wrong here. But you went back to school, served like with the intention that you would go back to work and Chrysler plan?

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Yeah, it's definitely got the job because my idea was to get a college education and they would harm in the summer.

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When do most people take vacations? Summer. So I was filament and I already work there. So I was kind of like a known entity a

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night and then I'd work I did that three years. So I'd work like three months a year and go to school.

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And so finally, in 73, I finally graduated from university dollar with a BS in business administration.

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I guess was marketing was my concentrated thought. I forget exactly. And bicycle work First of all time.

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And then I just went full time at all this time UP events when I graduated, I was a union employee.

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And then once I got a degree, I kept pounding. People, said, Well, why don't you, you know, you always

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talk about go out and get an education, then we'll do something for it. Okay. I did my four I know you do yours. And I guess I was somewhat off persistent.

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Some people didn't like that. But so we went along and finally I got an opportunity to go into management training program

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and working personnel and some other things. And then I got into finance, are working to find what the ball and Budget Office.

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And then those are there for a year or two and then the oil embargo came along. That was 74, excuse me,

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the first oil crisis and then the whole plant shut down. And for a year, while I was out for about two years.

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And for a long time I was collecting unemployment, what they call SUB pay with supplemental pay because that show up about 80 percent,

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90 percent of what you're making. So that was fun than the supplemental from the Christ are one away because they couldn't afford it.

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And then I was just living on unemployment than I got it. I started looking for a job in earnest. Got a job in the city bulletin

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for sitted wounds and the Treasury Department. I worked for the city treasurer. One of my duties was

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used to reconcile payrolls and things like that. I do what everybody may even marriage into garbage.

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And then I got a different job in the same department. Hang off municipal bonds and coupons. You've heard, you've heard

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the term bearer bonds. Well, if you came in with a bond to say $5 thousand, they've got to ask you, show me erudite id,

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name of all three by five cards, your address and phone numbers. We'd already checked. I take the bond you can check for 5 thousand.

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Easy enough. I thought so. I guess I could handle that. Yeah. So what year was that now? 75. Yeah. I was

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there for about almost a year. And then I've taken 76 early 76 Christ who started, backed up. And the job new city, I love.

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I loved everything about it, but didn't make much money. And the employer says, Well, you come back and we'll get you job.

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Well, you won't be salary higher than ours. So that's fine. And suddenly I was now read for about a year. And that was an experience.

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Do what are you doing as an hourly worker? Was still clerical, strictly putting attaching things to the vehicle.

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So you are on the line while I was on the line. Let's start. So 75 for about a year?

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Yes. And actually during the summer months, salary to take people's place because we want to vacation than 0's, maybe a month amendment that line.

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And then happen until about October, November or something like that, then there was no opening salary and I want to know the data

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represent what was the so what did you take away from being on the line where they earn their money? Yeah.

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Hardware. And then you get you good luck when you're watching the assembly line. Obviously, everyone does a different job,

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but you get the worst job you can have is getting into there. What I mean by getting in, let's say the floor mats from

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the Harvard resin and seeds. I also have some people would have to put the headliner and thing goes above. So that requires getting

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in, crouching down, squatting. Do that fifth times an hour for eight hours. Eight hours and it definitely wasn't it was hard work.

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I did as something all not that bad but, you know, like that. And I told my boss who already knew and he knew me,

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look, I gotta get off whose job is killing me? Give me another job and I won't miss any time.

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You weren't here. The cargo what were why was this will be a part of my job at one time,

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was getting in there and doing some other things inside and outside. And then I just follow this

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guy McKinney us is a, you know, I gotta get out of this file. I'll take carrier and then use this so I won't miss any time.

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So yeah. Kind of what's weren't done a favor. You did fAhe near you, made it. I wasn't dumb quantity.

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As a reminder, a hard worker, they know their health. Yeah. And I don't miss any time.

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So that was essential. Did it? So every worker had their own job on the line.

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He didn't switch around it. You would put certain people would fill in if they if they weren't there, they would have you go

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ahead and assign job and there's a certain procedure until everything's like written down and you have

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so much planned to do the job. And obviously any job, you know, once you start, it's hard, but as you go along you get,

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you understand how it works. You develop little shortcuts for yourself and things like that. Working on an assembly line wasn't easy.

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It was. And even for a young person, relatively, then as you get older, as you'd imagine harder is because heart. So he didn't have a law

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where you said, As time went on, if our shortcuts or whichever finish early, you can do that. Now. I'm in the lines.

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The whistle blows. The whistle blows, stops. And you're supposed to be there. And your boss can look down

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the line and see who they're. So it's not too difficult. You were there. We read a lot in class.

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So some of the, some at the Chrysler plant, a lot at the, at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan.

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Doubt guys on the lines sort of they didn't have a lot of work. So one guy could do the work for two people and the other could go sleep.

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That happened, that happened. But what would happen with one guy would do two jobs and cover form. That as I've been. Now. The other thing

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is that's not right. But on the other questions were supervised. Where were they? Now? Omega, look down a line if

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you're not if you see the wine, got a set of two guys pay someone a car at the same time? Yeah.

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Guys running around like crazy met. You don't have to be at times that a Jesus figure out something's wrong here. Okay.

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Yeah. Say you didn't do that. Now? Because I was only ordinary less than a year.

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That's right. So I did my job. And then let's say then we went and got out of the SAT our union,

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then into salary Union and those process control. Otherwise, I'd go out and look at people, see how they were doing their job.

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Say you're the supervisor. Now, I was a an interesting onlooker. Other words, are there people knowing certain jobs in a certain sequence?

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Because it can affect the quality. And my job was watching. But I couldn't watch everybody who had various things around and watch go to.

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So once they see me, they knew I was there for they do the job the way it's supposed to be done. Then once I went away

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than a go back there has you know, I I can't I couldn't control him. I wasn't there. Just put it that way.

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But working in factories vary. Boring. The only reason why people weren't there for the money they got paid and the benefits.

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Sounds good. Medina. Useful for a non-skilled person, yes. And at that time you were here late to point out this little 2020,

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maybe 28 or something like that. And it's good money you get benefits. Benefits are great. They still lived in Washington?

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Yes. The deadline and then well, does not move the New York I'm sorry. Yeah. And my wife I work. And other work with

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flip-flop either on Workday works, you work the other way around. So for year two is interesting. And then eventually I wanted to get in

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the management and for back in actually because I was a management trainee after I got out of college and that's fine.

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It'll be the salary. Then when the oil embargo hadn't been, you know what around and came back gallery than salary.

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Now I want to back and manage and I worked in the budget office and did forecasting, tract assets in the plan. Forecasts like appreciation

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of a lot of things. Not really accounting but the sea and held performance. How we did have healthy Chrysler was right

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than on a plant basis. How does the plant day? Well, it depends on days were bad, some days are great.

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I may give you like when you did a daily performance, you had a production schedule, let's just say 700 vehicles.

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The line broke down for half an hour and you didn't work. What do you think it's a numeric variables? You got six good.

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That's no good. And then all the other times, you know, for whatever reason, they actually build more. There are actually scheduled throughout,

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which is sometimes it's how the vehicles are put on the assembly line. It's not a lot of different. Husband was soft and do better.

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And this is all everyday reported in Detroit and all this. So we did a lot of things like that and capitalisation of assets.

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You've got a new dryer paint department may cost $500 thousand and there are a times when over so many years.

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And they used to be all done but you don't want to buy pencil then eventually got into computers.

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Excel is very good at that. Yes, please. I learn how to use Excel. Pretty good. Spreadsheets, spreadsheets

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and columns and rows. Just put things and how to do the formulas. Actually crisis centers, school, momentum. What a computer shop

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or somebody who's taught people. And and we're all pretty literate mouthfeel. But yeah, to me because when I was there, they didn't have computers initially.

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Then I could see him again. I mean, I still remember they had a punch cards, not IBM, all this stuff.

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My computer that I think the holdup while it out in public or ISM I had, you know, you're right

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because while one person who type of thing in Islam and also dream same cards. Now, let's move on

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here because it wouldn't match up. So So what year was that when you started your magic product about the US at least it might 980.

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And other management for up to about 1990. Now. But the 2003 are allowed no, excuse me, around 2000 999. Well, what happened was we were we were

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in management in my department, the budget for me, but we didn't manage anyone. We we we return that we had

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a confidential job or I've been to see it myself personally. I mean, people know you spend money and you make monuments

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as the question with numbers. No. Okay. I mean, I didn't say this sense of why this confidential and that's all I mean,

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because nothing was like CIO, you've built some peanuts and made this much money. Yeah.

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You are managing He's angry like forecasting or not. You're managing the numbers. Sorry. You weren't supervising the work.

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She went managing of the deep pink out. The variable being careless. And someday It's been good forecasting. Someday when there was always,

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there was always variables that happen because you never know a railroad strike your forecast. X number of vehicles a month

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and a railroad strike last two weeks. Well, one week you'll be okay because everything's still around. Secondly, lumping because you

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got all the stuff you're not again. So to stay all I'm saying, yeah. So your job was at it was forecasting those kind of things

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but you weren't in charge of I mean, if you if there was sort of like a strike and you didn't fill a quota for certain weekend,

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you weren't in charge of sort of prescribing like, you know what to do or informing the company, we should lives com

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the company that higher level would go in a different direction. They would think, I remember, you know, what do we do or how do we, Well,

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first of all, do we need to fill the shortage? Maybe sales aren't good for in January if the demand is high.

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So why even worry about or if their sales are good? Well then one will make New York somebody work over time.

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Now you're on a, instead of an eight hour schedule your online and by the way, you're working to Saturdays

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as month, not optional. The people, the workers. I know you spent just a short time on the line,

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but I mean, you said you would pick a summer jobs. You would fill in for someone when they would go on vacation,

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you would want to work, that the workers were eager to work overtime. To sum up. Then once you wanted to work and make money

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while working on an assembly line, It's not the greatest place to work. You can barely tolerated for 40 hours, we think 148.

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You don't want it. Then that's why you that the more money people made, there was kind of like correlation. People who take off. Instead of,

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let's say, if you work this much, you're getting paid $40 thousand a year. Okay. And then you worked everytime you have 50 and you could live on 40.

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Why do you want to work on time? They spend time with ncp because you had no control over the production schedule. You essentially

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sold your soul the development. And that when you didn't from the work, they wanted to know why. Unless you had a valid reason

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your own vacation or in the hospital or something like that or bereavement. Why aren't you there?

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So your supervisor thumb around and interrogate you what they call a casual absence. You know, if you're on vacation with

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your boss knows you're not going to be there, right? Yeah. Because he gave you permission to go.

00:27:38.030 - 00:27:49.530

And manpower is always interesting. It was never static. It's always going up and down. Plus another thing, effective manpower,

00:27:49.530 - 00:27:58.670

say the engineering department found a new way or a better way to assemble something. Or they may be able to cut one personnel for

00:27:58.670 - 00:28:10.250

ship than everybody else has to change. And so Manpower was a step, wasn't static. Fluctuate, see assertive heads with that, it was something new

00:28:10.250 - 00:28:15.530

when you AC unit the minimum amount they knew him, a minimal amount of people you need to run the line,

00:28:15.530 - 00:28:23.980

and then a new optimal number to have them, they weren't the same number. And then you could cut one, you get everyone back.

00:28:23.980 - 00:28:34.320

But when you have a one clade there was I think that most people wherever they are, if my member write about 60 to 100.

00:28:35.140 - 00:28:47.150

But the average number of probably about like 4500. And the high number 62 is a couple of things. Well, pressure got smarter

00:28:47.150 - 00:28:56.860

how to assemble things? Do you think they outsource and things that they need them? So the Manpower was always going down.

00:28:56.860 - 00:29:03.590

So for example, they set out a place of building both cushion room where all the seats would be assembled.

00:29:03.590 - 00:29:12.620

Well, what they did is this is just within the last 10 years. They had a plant built. Price wasn't my price by

00:29:12.620 - 00:29:21.260

Lear on health and road, right? On adult with her own liner. And they would have what they call just-in-time delivery.

00:29:21.260 - 00:29:30.810

So when they started building a vehicle, they have a leg up when they call broadcast system will go out through the whole plant,

00:29:30.810 - 00:29:39.370

this this vehicle. And if you don't get painted this color, let me forward. Or Sudan is going to have this radio,

00:29:39.370 - 00:29:47.970

these tires, and thought that everything was specifically that one bag. Well, everything goes in assembly line, stays essentially the same place.

00:29:47.970 - 00:29:57.890

So that Lear with new within a seeks to go because of being broadcasted there and they would just send them over and trucks just in time.

00:29:57.900 - 00:30:06.430

Yeah. It worked very well. Worked well most of time on the page and there's always glitches, but for the most part

00:30:06.430 - 00:30:11.710

it was pretty good idea. But then again, they lost maybe a 100 people in the questionnaire and 1,

00:30:11.710 - 00:30:19.610

2 shifts are no longer there, then e to the one over there. Or there's still, the seeds are still being made by different people.

00:30:19.610 - 00:30:27.940

Not quite as well. So along that same line, a set of numbers fluctuating anything. You said you were also there when

00:30:27.940 - 00:30:39.370

he saw computers making their way in new technology? Yeah. Did you what did you see in terms of in the people used to paint

00:30:39.370 - 00:30:51.380

the cars and then it turned over to mechanical robot screening or printing it. Well, what happened was a lot of people who painted the vehicles,

00:30:51.380 - 00:30:58.720

actually deliberately sprayed paying them, get lost their jobs. But on the other hand, you that hard maintenance people

00:30:58.720 - 00:31:07.520

would keep the robots working. But so they weren't really losing jobs. They're given something else like diverting. Now the thing of it as the

00:31:07.520 - 00:31:13.970

people who, you know, the maintenance man made more money in line worker. And it does quote,

00:31:13.970 - 00:31:27.020

he had more technical knowledge. So it was more consistent within the machine, that person. So it's probably a good thing.

00:31:27.020 - 00:31:37.790

Then those people filled or down somewhere. If they didn't, they got laid off. If the automobile industry always like to say,

00:31:37.790 - 00:31:44.170

here's my parents names. The automobile industry is like riding a roller coaster. When you're up, you're up

00:31:44.170 - 00:31:52.720

here, down here, down. It's not like work in the bank. Steady, even. It's not static.

00:31:52.720 - 00:32:01.910

Like you said, if you're either making more money than you ever had, but you don't have no time to spend it. Or you're not working at

00:32:01.910 - 00:32:11.610

all or you're not going to work. I mean, I you still getting unemployment slow but the mind work, then you may not come back.

00:32:11.610 - 00:32:22.650

There's nothing because depending on the vehicle they build, it's all manpower. Maybe they didn't Nietzschean, right? So you build this vehicle

00:32:22.650 - 00:32:30.090

in 1822 motor vehicle. Now we're going to build this really need 1800. People just lost a job.

00:32:30.090 - 00:32:37.290

And would they possibly be call back? Yes, because people put people die, they wouldn't just forget about. Right.

00:32:37.290 - 00:32:45.860

But after a period of time than 80. Yeah. Nice. Right. And no, I don't think

00:32:45.860 - 00:32:56.900

a lot people don't know too much about Chrysler. It is that you're all these people work there plus all the machinery you

00:32:56.900 - 00:33:08.780

guys running around above you, underneath you, on the side of you, people driving cars up and down into plant. And out of all that time

00:33:08.780 - 00:33:18.490

they had two fatalities. Fatalities, not people die. Not people died. People actually had heart attacks or whatever.

00:33:18.490 - 00:33:26.350

And then that's not a tower. They were killed but they were killed. Were you there for those both of those are at the time or one.

00:33:26.350 - 00:33:34.290

What I'm having back into the body shop guy is clothing are caught on the machine and you've got squashed.

00:33:34.290 - 00:33:45.660

Almost the same thing like 15 years later, a guy, they used to have these carts. Things came in cardboard boxes. Later they replacement plastic totes,

00:33:45.660 - 00:33:53.870

plastic containers. And what would happen is you would take when you work on the line, could take that part out of the box

00:33:53.870 - 00:34:02.180

and put in a box. But after you just throw in the box and the O and Jonathan won't pick up the box and thrown dislike journey, for example.

00:34:02.180 - 00:34:12.540

And they're moving For wagon full of cardboard. And they didn't notice guy was behind in his squashed.

00:34:13.360 - 00:34:24.830

But when you consider all the man hours there and even this going back to the tank plant days during World War Two, mercury, right?

00:34:24.830 - 00:34:33.360

The play was started actually 950 stove while they started building, building, building it. And in 32 I think,

00:34:33.360 - 00:34:42.530

or maybe off of the day, they actually start building a sudden tanks. And I don't know if you've ever noticed, but if you drive down and do

00:34:42.530 - 00:34:51.140

it now becomes an eight there. But if you drove down, you'll see one part of the assembly buildings high or the other. And the reason band is because that's where

00:34:51.140 - 00:35:00.330

the terrorists tanks would go on. So deity, the chassis be coming around over here 3D assembly line and retired,

00:35:00.330 - 00:35:12.390

becoming down numerically together. And the floors were all wooden box. Not hungry. Why is that? Because wooden blocks can

00:35:12.390 - 00:35:22.140

displace related to time much better than wooden blocks for maybe the step for that. Maybe eight inches long or wide or something.

00:35:22.140 - 00:35:31.220

So age 60, Tang, Tang. It's not gonna do anything, doesn't bother good. But it cracked Congress whole plan

00:35:31.220 - 00:35:40.980

and 11 than it. Eventually the United replace com. That's what needed. So in all that time with

00:35:40.980 - 00:35:48.260

all this different machinery all the way all consider all the man hours. Yeah. Pretty safe.

00:35:48.260 - 00:35:54.800

Just to fade out. I mean, yes, you gotta people die of heart. That was more in the summer mostly because

00:35:54.800 - 00:36:06.080

the place was an air conditioner. And if he weren't in the incident plan and an interior window to remove lanes away. Did you have a fan?

00:36:06.080 - 00:36:17.170

At times, yes. And one summer I worked in the page opportunity to pain opens. He has to say it I was high. They had fans blowing on it,

00:36:17.170 - 00:36:32.570

but it was still a 100 two or something like that at eight o'clock at night or whatever. But I do want to going to last forever. So it was a learning experience.

00:36:35.190 - 00:36:46.160

A lot of people who could not stand the monotony. Some five, you have a prostitute, your body, your mind, make money.

00:36:46.230 - 00:36:55.220

Because people didn't go to work there because I enjoyed it. So needless to say, you didn't miss working on the line.

00:36:55.220 - 00:37:02.910

And that was a year that was a learning experience and year out. Yeah. That's essentially two or

00:37:04.000 - 00:37:09.890

less than this value like I used to tell my son. He would ask me, well, of course, as I said, Well,

00:37:09.890 - 00:37:19.100

let's do the easy way. What don't you like? Don't take any of those. Then if you don't know about that, Let's try. You may like it. Then again,

00:37:19.100 - 00:37:26.390

you may not have a least, you know, you you already eliminated ones. You didn't like that. Yeah. Yeah. It is. All in

00:37:26.390 - 00:37:37.850

all. It was a good place to work. I can see. Now there's another high minority employer. Probably Twenty-five percent of

00:37:37.850 - 00:37:44.810

employees who are minorities, maybe a little more. For a long time, they did not get into management ranks.

00:37:44.810 - 00:37:50.900

And then when I got there, they were just they think they had one or two guys. And then after that, we

00:37:50.900 - 00:38:01.010

progressively go wrong. And actually I was there the on Dr. Martin Luther King got killed. That was interesting. There's a lot of people

00:38:01.010 - 00:38:10.010

were upset in the play and I forget what happened, but there was something on an incident. I don't know if it's the play went home

00:38:10.010 - 00:38:24.520

early or something, but, you know, it was interests. Other things like that. But for the most part, race relations and inside the plant,

00:38:24.520 - 00:38:33.260

regardless of your own belief, everybody's beliefs are outside of the plant. Inside the plant people, you gotta you gotta

00:38:33.260 - 00:38:46.430

look for the most part, yes. But if you had not everyone was, you know, not everyone in their head. Third grade education someone did.

00:38:46.430 - 00:38:57.370

So I'm Latin words, I'm reading the writing. But then you had other people who were somewhat they were somewhat educated and

00:38:57.370 - 00:39:08.030

they do any work there for money, you know, good enough money for a similar reason, could get along. We get the same thing like

00:39:08.030 - 00:39:21.080

animals or the hell, I was an altar boy. I always went to public school, so I'm not working

00:39:21.080 - 00:39:26.450

with people of different races didn't bother me. Whoa, they treated you well. I treated them well if they did

00:39:26.450 - 00:39:36.390

their job and whatever color. And then women came in here when I started work, there was very few women work there.

00:39:36.390 - 00:39:45.650

If I remember right, then more and more on mid-sixties? Yes, there were women wanting to supervision. And so you had formance women

00:39:45.650 - 00:39:55.160

than it actually is in general form. And I think I want to run the department id body style, for example, with one mole of carbon.

00:39:55.160 - 00:40:01.010

But, you know, other words, there wasn't progression. You could get promoted. And you were there and you saw,

00:40:01.010 - 00:40:09.200

for your time there, you saw it go from a few minorities in management and progressively more.

00:40:09.200 - 00:40:19.490

We have to play matters who are African American and Alaskan? Why wasn't there? There was a Chinese guy hard and July 31st,

00:40:19.490 - 00:40:36.170

67 left retard October 31st, 2003. Retired. I was 37 and three months. So I had the opportunity plus i was the enjoyed enough to save money.

00:40:36.170 - 00:40:47.070

Plus Chrysler off you do a matching for a one cave certain amount goes up to 6% at one time. So you retire in 2003? Yeah.

00:40:47.070 - 00:41:03.270

That's that the 73 months. And I'm kinda like the one of the last group of people do a get a financial security as Burlington.

00:41:03.270 - 00:41:15.470

So you didn't have to deal with shock shop and all not having a fashion. Well, I don't think there was there was a time when Chrysler was in bankruptcy,

00:41:15.470 - 00:41:27.620

if you're welcome, too sure about that. But then again, there's a PG Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. If you made with your fancy was

00:41:27.620 - 00:41:34.190

less than $50 thousand a year and you're 65 years old, you get it from this. Funding goes all.

00:41:34.190 - 00:41:40.550

All companies do that. Employees when they defined pension plans, they paid like an inch for lack of better words,

00:41:40.550 - 00:41:49.300

insurance premium to the PBGC or whatever it is. And then when companies went under, people get their pensions wrong.

00:41:49.300 - 00:42:06.110

And you know, nowadays in America. People have mentioned, some people say well, or former President George W Bush. When he said, Well, you know,

00:42:06.110 - 00:42:14.720

for lowercase are great, they are. The market was up. If I'm not around, is not that unless the levo

00:42:14.720 - 00:42:22.590

more than anyone because your forecast, you are around the numbers you saw what was going on. So it's really more than anyway,

00:42:22.590 - 00:42:32.590

you are very aware of how Chrysler was doing at certain blend. Let's say that I wasn't ready for it plant. Okay. You are in that was

00:42:32.590 - 00:42:40.220

Nash and not just our planet. So yeah, like not an older assembly plants and other plants in Detroit

00:42:40.220 - 00:42:49.070

bundle them all together. So the torque is that if you didn't get it in a coil of NoSQL wide and see you,

00:42:49.070 - 00:42:59.010

you couldn't foresee know when you left. You can imagine that what would happen? What happened shortly after that? Yeah, That was well, no, I'm good.

00:42:59.010 - 00:43:06.350

But part of the problem with Chrysler is, in my opinion, it is that 15 years ago we had a vice president,

00:43:06.350 - 00:43:14.800

pronouns name, sword. And he would say, Well, we're working in a hybrid vehicles. I was 15 years ago.

00:43:14.800 - 00:43:27.530

President never came out one. That's one thing. And are a former plant manager was named Jim Wolf. He was there 10 years continuously.

00:43:27.530 - 00:43:34.540

You did a great job. Either from the union was like You did the job. But he would tell us the meetings.

00:43:34.540 - 00:43:44.440

Is it boys were in trouble. Why in the intro? Because we're here on the East Coast and all the other stuff in the Midwest.

00:43:44.440 - 00:43:53.270

And they had a corridor goes now, Michigan down isn't a quarter role. The automobile suppliers and manufacturers, assemblers are.

00:43:53.270 - 00:44:02.820

We're on the outside, whereas here, there and there. What don't you understand? He said, You know, what?

00:44:03.250 - 00:44:15.380

Everyone knew it. The questions, it's like die, you're going to die. You're learning to question when, how. And we knew it was going to

00:44:15.380 - 00:44:27.710

happen to this question one. And then when the gas we know Ben, what, 08, and they're built, drag those electrons by them.

00:44:27.710 - 00:44:36.240

Or you don't have to be in a Keynesian economists to figure out the price for having small cores or fall back on now.

00:44:36.240 - 00:44:43.140

So one of the people's fault in the plan, those upper level management for not doing what they said they were going to do.

00:44:43.140 - 00:44:51.000

If they had a hybrid or add smaller flowers with more attractive, attractive. And they didn't borrow money like forbidden.

00:44:51.000 - 00:45:00.550

But still they have better say needless to say they're not. Did you have did you have friends? How has your relationship with

00:45:00.550 - 00:45:07.900

your coworkers and where they wasn't like a family unit. Like anybody else. You argue, yell and scream at each other.

00:45:07.900 - 00:45:15.100

We need to do in your job. You have a job to do, they have a job to do. And what, you know, since we're punching numbers

00:45:15.100 - 00:45:22.100

for most portmanteau talking a lot, right? We'd help each other out on occasion sometimes when you're home because I

00:45:22.100 - 00:45:32.290

cannot be I gotta do this. And one of the reasons I left early, considering most people retired, that the 73 months,

00:45:32.290 - 00:45:43.640

is that the plan just want it underwent a major renovation for the new Durango model. Um, again, this was in the summer of 07,

00:45:43.640 - 00:45:54.660

and I knew the amount of work to be done and I wasn't going to get any help. So I had the time.

00:45:54.660 - 00:46:10.550

And You're not going to look forever. So that's a really hard October 31st, 2017. She does this every threats R3 is great. Yeah. 57, get confused.

00:46:10.550 - 00:46:19.800

Three months falls lives, and never looked back. Probably the smartest thing I met him because he's got tired of it.

00:46:19.800 - 00:46:28.370

You know, other words, you always hear that news. Sports professional sports athletes say, you know when to stop if no one has the time.

00:46:28.370 - 00:46:40.840

Yeah. I know this is tired. Tired and the unit known as same thing. I wanna do. I want do. What did you an idea? All right, well, a little bit.

00:46:40.840 - 00:46:50.230

Research, travel. I always travels as Rob. Don't have to go through and find food in the morning.

00:46:50.230 - 00:46:58.360

At 70. That's right. He started off your first job? They're on the line was the second shaft that then they're jogging have

00:46:58.360 - 00:47:05.750

for years and years. Once version. And what are the hours rattling us? 33, I think it was.

00:47:05.750 - 00:47:15.550

Okay. Let's see. About the two years, three years before I retired. Guy worked with he was upset.

00:47:15.550 - 00:47:28.270

I was I hired a new union salary person which was kind of like dough. We're kind of unusual, the sense that most people

00:47:28.270 - 00:47:38.230

are salaried or an anion. So, so that's kind of something indicative of the way place grab that our salary,

00:47:38.230 - 00:47:48.670

our skin, our union, which is normal, getting something done. So we decided was one guy I worked with were above the mountains

00:47:48.670 - 00:47:57.080

when we decided to. He says, I'm thinking about you have an election joining the union because he was very disgruntled.

00:47:57.080 - 00:48:04.900

And that's because like we had a reduction or an apartment. So we had a little department. There were four of us and that was three.

00:48:04.900 - 00:48:16.020

So obviously everybody pickups nowhere. And so they would get rid of a low lung lobe version like Dallas, but then hire another manager on his eye.

00:48:17.170 - 00:48:23.790

Sometimes. As a human resource, I have to think they didn't know what they're doing.

00:48:23.790 - 00:48:34.680

And so we had an election muddy National Labor Relations Board and all that. We've heard from a lot of union.

00:48:34.680 - 00:48:45.170

And then now everything that's essentially remain the same. So we were paying union dues. Had I wouldn't say we had security,

00:48:45.170 - 00:48:55.370

but we were psychologically we felt better than the other. In my case, I knew that the benefits are better at

00:48:55.370 - 00:49:06.710

that time or people who were unionized, their retirement benefits and better. And why I say that b divides spoke to people I knew who retired

00:49:06.710 - 00:49:16.640

management and funding keep on chipping away at things a little too. One thing is here, one thing next year. And my flag, I see

00:49:16.640 - 00:49:24.050

my old boss has had about maybe four or five years ago in the supermarket. He says, I heard you guys join a union as it,

00:49:24.050 - 00:49:31.340

That's right in some dusty and think ever did. And that was my boss. Hey, because and it's

00:49:31.340 - 00:49:49.730

really protect yourself, right? He says, the lookout for yourself. And you got to look down a road in various degrees.

00:49:49.730 - 00:49:58.570

We want the short way, myopic way. When you walk, you know, three years down the road, five years, you know.

00:49:58.570 - 00:50:10.470

So I had the opportunity while saving money. And price management postulates the guy of my daughter got married at year three, was done.

00:50:10.470 - 00:50:21.910

Everything was telling you. I thought I told my boss the beginning of year January of the three ounces, I will not be on the active role in 2004.

00:50:21.910 - 00:50:34.650

His money leaving hadn't figured it out yet. I'm going to go this year and you stay in for another nine months. To my daughter's wedding.

00:50:34.650 - 00:50:43.730

We paid. Finally, they all got paid, visited. Plus I didn't want to do all this capitalisation and hang

00:50:43.730 - 00:50:51.820

with you call hanging tags on things like identification numbers of certain assets. So you knew that this acid,

00:50:51.820 - 00:50:57.830

this number and this is how much it cost and you could take the old depreciation for every years and all this stuff.

00:50:57.830 - 00:51:05.810

So there's just too much to do for one person. I didn't know he had been there a long time. You're going to kick the dog.

00:51:05.810 - 00:51:12.980

Submit your time. See, you worked the urine that job. And he said in 1980 to 2 thousand essentially are

00:51:12.980 - 00:51:23.780

essentially essentially that I thought forecast and things like that. It was, yes. It's time to go. And it's all managed.

00:51:23.780 - 00:51:33.260

And as always, let me add parenthetically, it's always better to leave on your terms somebody else you call the shots because I

00:51:33.260 - 00:51:42.030

think because even though you weren't going to lay around forever, now if I stayed around for another. Now, obviously Netherland do what's

00:51:42.030 - 00:51:53.410

going to happen down the road. When the people who when the plant closed and do some early what people like me to time i-hat.

00:51:53.410 - 00:52:04.790

And he got like a $140 thousand sovereign space, so to speak. It didn't bother me. I didn't get it because I rather be out of there.

00:52:04.790 - 00:52:15.230

Now on your own terms like terms. And then there's a certain amount of bone. It's good enough. Uw morning. Yeah.

00:52:15.230 - 00:52:28.320

Make your own schedule. And not everybody may think like made with your life he took control it. I tried to do with alcohol was best for me.

00:52:28.320 - 00:52:34.950

And want to spend some more time with your family. And you said your kit, you have a son and a daughter.

00:52:34.950 - 00:52:48.760

That's great. And your daughter got married? My daughter. Yes. She is a pharmacist in Cambridge, Mass.

00:52:48.760 - 00:52:58.450

Is that also you're going to visit that's where you're going to be? Yes. But she's a daughter. She's performances. She's like

00:52:58.450 - 00:53:10.910

four blocks from Harvard. But she doesn't live their lives. I've started my son. He's a he's working in Florida and side.

00:53:10.910 - 00:53:18.210

He's working yeah. Not the best job of stuff out there you're just talking about earlier.

00:53:18.210 - 00:53:31.850

He he's getting by. They define the overall all my experiences were like anyplace else. You had good times and bad.

00:53:31.850 - 00:53:42.380

People say it asked me to say, Are you sad to see the plant them off? Now? Now, I didn't want it was a lot of time essence,

00:53:42.380 - 00:53:50.750

Hey, are the pyramids are going to be here forever. I mean, this is evolution. I'm going to just change units. I can rattle off

00:53:50.750 - 00:54:00.580

a number of companies right here. Nu are either, you would know we're here for a long time. Had been a Burger King is already apartments.

00:54:00.580 - 00:54:07.670

That was it. But coming prostitute, where the elements are across reform. The same thing. Parking Lot

00:54:07.670 - 00:54:21.290

important in one building of the courtyards of the manufacturing plant. And the F, Then there were the Tyler's or whatever.

00:54:21.290 - 00:54:37.560

I'll create a new art board with Timothy. Timothy said that was all back in place. And there were others. They made pianos and there we're back in the 1980s.

00:54:37.560 - 00:54:54.320

See, just thought, Chrysler is the next one. And people won't get over it. Having a choice, that it is a little bit like a person who

00:54:54.320 - 00:55:01.910

is working more of a yj here. It's just interesting to hear that perspective. You hear other people and, you know, they,

00:55:01.910 - 00:55:08.170

they get teary-eyed when they drive by and they don't see Chrysler anymore. They see University of Delaware sign. Well, see, you know,

00:55:08.170 - 00:55:19.450

my my convoluted way of looking at things. University, Parsons, self-reporting to my knowledge, economy. Several.

00:55:19.450 - 00:55:31.960

University bought it for 25 million. I think these numbers are about with the proviso that if there's any content contamination,

00:55:31.960 - 00:55:40.670

remedial work not to universities there. Okay. So their, their, their whole left holding the bag price for Rwanda that whether the seller

00:55:40.670 - 00:55:50.240

sold at a reduced price is the land contaminated course it is. 50 years. Harris staring for you,

00:55:50.240 - 00:55:58.850

it'll be a damn fool thing. It isn't. The question is, how much is a cavity? That's the question. And I don't think they're going to how

00:55:58.850 - 00:56:09.880

much money will I have that? I do know remediation isn't very much of it they have to do and for how long?

00:56:09.880 - 00:56:18.130

I'm sure that it is like core sampling of the ground and stuff like that. But like I heard 11 meeting, they said,

00:56:18.130 - 00:56:23.690

Well, we found arsenic in the ground. You can go anywhere. I'm new, I guess Accounting 500 arsenic into grams.

00:56:23.690 - 00:56:30.770

No big thing. You know, it's no one really knows that he started, do you get a better idea?

00:56:30.770 - 00:56:40.010

It might be the best bargaining. They remain, like partner said, Isn't once in the honor your opportunity. It ain't going to happen again.

00:56:40.010 - 00:56:48.170

Unless maybe you should go with gobble up the town. It's not be a bad idea to start something different.

00:56:48.170 - 00:57:02.400

That's the lowest voice. Yeah, that was my career advisor or one of the thing I I never had a desire to well, that's not right.

00:57:02.400 - 00:57:13.270

I did want to maybe go out Detroit 15, but once I'd been out there a few times for business, decided I would be there.

00:57:13.270 - 00:57:20.630

And so it didn't matter. That's why didn't move up the ranks because in almost any job, you got it in order to

00:57:20.630 - 00:57:31.970

get promoted, going to move. So what is more for your family, your job? You chose family? Well, not not, not Ark decision at home.

00:57:31.970 - 00:57:40.030

Not everybody does it. And taken your kids. So you might have been in grade school the school three years in this school

00:57:40.030 - 00:57:52.330

to school one stuff. What McConnell, 10 thousand miles a year. No, I think it's not worthy. Other people. So if

00:57:52.330 - 00:58:02.650

we were all the same with awful damn boring, I guarantee you that. So yeah. So let me just go back a little. You were talking about the union,

00:58:02.650 - 00:58:15.340

you're obviously play a huge role. The plan they had to, considering the plant is run by a man named yet it's a,

00:58:15.340 - 00:58:25.850

they were exerting sort of an outside. Is that force? It? It's like it's like, Hey kid asking for more money for allowance. You have someone else

00:58:25.850 - 00:58:39.760

arguing on your behalf, right? Right. That is why you are the young people who are not in the union and came time for raises. Normally, there's a bill,

00:58:39.760 - 00:58:48.310

people read this grade or something, you get like 2% or something like that, 2.5 or whatever. You know, you might have been the best,

00:58:48.310 - 00:58:55.880

whatever they have seen their ears when you get that event management. I mean, so you'd have to We need someone fighting for

00:58:55.880 - 00:59:04.240

it to get wages are a lot of times you couldn't really aim if you weren't in the union, you couldn't get a better rate

00:59:04.240 - 00:59:12.100

isn't really was dictated by Detroit for a person a new classification because your management be boys made more money and new people

00:59:12.100 - 00:59:21.400

because they didn't want these people to join a union management. And somebody gotta run the show. I'll be the boss and one things.

00:59:21.400 - 00:59:34.160

And so your non-union employees please make, even at the lower clerical non-union, they made good wages because they didn't want people.

00:59:34.160 - 00:59:43.000

One of the things that he wanted to join additionally, it plus I actually did have continental jobs. Certainly. If your secretary,

00:59:43.000 - 00:59:54.430

the plant manager, you didn't a lot going on. They're going to take care of you. We're not just going to tell you, you know, you know, things are gonna happen.

00:59:54.430 - 01:00:06.620

But not many people do, you know? So that's like one example. Yeah. So that's one thing. Your job was a confidential job,

01:00:06.620 - 01:00:12.170

but you are, right? Yeah. That wasn't rare. Extremely.

01:00:12.170 - 01:00:17.830

It was extremely rare. Yes. We went from management confidential job going

01:00:17.830 - 01:00:27.640

you didn't like I thought I had one guy's clock to once a month time. What we're doing in our project. Building a new beginning,

01:00:27.640 - 01:00:35.380

adapt and create a second version in Durango. He said, I heard you guys join evening. That's true. I wasn't looking for chain as I'm

01:00:35.380 - 01:00:42.310

still going to be the same verbs and thoughtfully to saying important, well, I gotta do answer your question when, uh, when the bell rings and

01:00:42.310 - 01:00:48.630

three o'clock or four o'clock, it's time to go. I'm not going to hang up the phone on it. I'm not going to have for myself.

01:00:48.630 - 01:00:58.830

Because your management and and the union so that you said you worked with two other people, three other guys law that was three.

01:00:58.830 - 01:01:06.500

Then when they cut one, what lust for one down the three and ask where they also, what you vote on.

01:01:06.500 - 01:01:14.200

Other words, a view that well, we had three people in our little budget hearing, Budget Office and majority rules.

01:01:14.200 - 01:01:24.730

So the National Labor Relations Board came and the vote was to one. So the other person how to either hadn't leave the department?

01:01:24.730 - 01:01:32.710

Quit or say how can I say I'll tolerate it now until someone asked him on that, I'll apply for another job.

01:01:32.710 - 01:01:47.480

Yeah. So as is the case is, majority rule. And nothing really changed our job, physical job and not change anything changed my poor paycheck or smaller?

01:01:47.480 - 01:01:59.470

Well, I took a cut because I do will be better than the root. What about people? How would you say,

01:01:59.470 - 01:02:07.580

how would you characterize the relations between union and management? I know you are part of both base and that's extreme.

01:02:07.580 - 01:02:18.820

You can see both like to see both sides. But did they get along defense? Well, just by the thiophene unit management. That's an adversary relationship.

01:02:18.820 - 01:02:27.820

Yeah. So it depends whether you're talking about the new ones. Don't know that they're not going to get everything they asked for.

01:02:27.820 - 01:02:35.320

A manager who's not going to run the plant entirely on their own. And some of the things people need you came up with are actually good.

01:02:35.320 - 01:02:41.710

I did that. Managing people didn't think that I didn't have the courage or who knows, didn't come out.

01:02:41.710 - 01:02:51.240

So they try to work together best we could. Of course, there was times of contention and yelling and screaming at each other.

01:02:51.240 - 01:03:01.270

That's normal. Where there ever any walkouts or their conditions? Well, this yeah, There were a few, but not with a long,

01:03:01.270 - 01:03:12.730

long history of the planet is relatively stable. And he's like anybody else. One person in the room is Mumbai to people,

01:03:12.730 - 01:03:20.230

not as good people. That's worse. People involved, the more friction there is or exactly use a

01:03:20.230 - 01:03:28.670

different personalities involved. This is not a, the Olmec plan was not a dictatorship. It was kinda like the,

01:03:28.670 - 01:03:38.240

the king and the evidence a service, but they wouldn't January somewhere in between the nominal level of optimism.

01:03:38.850 - 01:03:49.850

And also in the past it was like that was very thorough and hysterical. A lot of yelling and screaming,

01:03:49.850 - 01:03:59.900

but people don't accomplish anything that would you sit down at a table, gives you, I want this, we should do it this way. This way.

01:03:59.900 - 01:04:06.670

And you need somebody somewhere in the middle or somewhere where everyone there's consensus that they can live with that.

01:04:06.670 - 01:04:15.910

And in the last 10 years they did that at Chrysler, fit in. We were one of the best suddenly quiz 10 and we were one of the best.

01:04:15.910 - 01:04:27.220

We have less problems than a whole lot on. The management and union leaders got along with humanity and people bought off one of the leader

01:04:27.220 - 01:04:39.520

and that would filter down the right file. Is it? Okay, we didn't get that. Well, we got this is a way to do your job. Things worked out. But no one

01:04:39.520 - 01:04:46.830

had any control over what happened. The oil that's outside force that could shake things up. You don't know.

01:04:46.830 - 01:04:53.720

Those wildcard. You know, you said you were always dealing with variables. Velocity, you can account for him.

01:04:53.720 - 01:05:01.480

There are a lot of them. There's nothing certain. Depth untaxed. Two things you're going to have that.

01:05:01.480 - 01:05:11.800

And anything else is play buyer. It's like going on vacation. If you ever go anywhere, always, always always

01:05:11.800 - 01:05:20.950

provide for something going wrong. Initial flood, the rental cars broke down or something. There's someone's going to have made

01:05:20.950 - 01:05:33.910

Let's move. Nothing goes smoothly. Long time, it was always some kind of bump in the room. We said that because UE you want on

01:05:33.910 - 01:05:42.670

the line for the majority the majority of the time you were in an office, you with us for over than three other people?

01:05:42.670 - 01:05:49.970

Well, hour or more depending going to write. Burst apartments. Yeah. And you said you did your job. They did their job.

01:05:49.970 - 01:05:58.030

You guys were too busy to talk. A lot of times you're typing a number. It's like any job. Contrary to what people say.

01:05:58.030 - 01:06:07.690

I don't care what job you have. Some file. If you did a job long enough, you have very busy periods. And then slackers, Yeah,

01:06:07.690 - 01:06:16.190

I don't care where you are. And, you know, slack periods in our job. First few weeks when bonds were extremely busy,

01:06:16.190 - 01:06:25.990

probably like the fourth week was our lightest time because we did it. We're answering questions from Detroit about performance and all that and

01:06:25.990 - 01:06:34.540

forecasting and all this stuff, and taking care of other things. The third week, fourth week, we finished up the things we

01:06:34.540 - 01:06:43.630

couldn't do when we had to do all this. Firstly, well, it's going to ask what I mentioned that because I've heard a lot

01:06:43.630 - 01:06:51.970

about long time workers on the line. They it was sort of like a close-knit community here. You know, you're working on

01:06:51.970 - 01:06:59.860

the line with the same people and you also heard stories of fooling around. You. You mentioned earlier it was very monotonous,

01:06:59.860 - 01:07:07.660

is very boring work a lot of the time. So they would come up with games. There's something to space it out. Diversions, diversions

01:07:07.660 - 01:07:15.730

exactly, it was boring. And the other thing that you couldn't be two things that you could ribbing than

01:07:15.730 - 01:07:28.780

just me. You'd have a lot of it. And you had well, even though my case, sometimes I don't control my emotions because sometimes you just

01:07:28.780 - 01:07:37.040

want to get sodium angry when he hits somebody when you are on the line where we had abandoned them or you may add two.

01:07:37.040 - 01:07:43.840

Here's the thing I witnessed one time you had to department heads, managers yelling and screaming at each other space.

01:07:43.840 - 01:07:50.650

There we're going to go outside and all those stuff. These guys are on staff who you have to plant matters and he

01:07:50.650 - 01:07:56.110

has staff about a dozen people and then all the underline there they still these guys were yelling and screaming and

01:07:56.110 - 01:08:01.660

they workers see that, hey, this is not, that isn't one of the reasons why people get paid good money,

01:08:01.660 - 01:08:13.630

it needs some money and this is not a great place to work. But you got to take that in consideration. It's a any time you,

01:08:13.630 - 01:08:24.150

anytime you work in production atmosphere, when you have a target, you're going to have problems. And the other thing I think probably

01:08:24.150 - 01:08:34.560

the nicest example, probably worse. Can't remember now. Maybe you're working in an ambulance or something like that,

01:08:34.560 - 01:08:42.550

then you're going to have problems. So the question is, not happening around how you deal with the brown.

01:08:42.550 - 01:08:52.770

That's the thing that everyone deals and things the same way. And people got fired. And another thing, here's another thing.

01:08:52.770 - 01:09:08.230

Considering we had a very diverse workforce and a lot of people hunted and firearm since 1952 to 2008. I'm surprised no one

01:09:08.230 - 01:09:18.130

ever got shot mentalists. Why do you say that a lot of these people had guns. You know, not everyone

01:09:18.130 - 01:09:23.980

in the plant would work on a line was acquired wave there are fights TDC. Well thanks, I would bring out

01:09:23.980 - 01:09:34.630

yet happening as you go. Far Muslims, so you may meet somebody across the street or something

01:09:34.630 - 01:09:44.180

like that or not. If you want to keep your job. But some but somebody really didn't care what happened.

01:09:46.860 - 01:09:57.740

And, and occasionally, New York police would come into play and arrest people know about a woman lived and worked with me.

01:09:59.430 - 01:10:12.560

She lived in this house. Yeah, absolutely. If you go to Elton row where the credit union has turned Road is that African name of.

01:10:12.560 - 01:10:22.780

But anyway, she didn't happen in house there. And about four years later they moved down this woman and her husband. And then a freshman

01:10:22.780 - 01:10:35.790

employee shot of her husband and write for taught her fundal or up and throw their cars. And then he's had earners house

01:10:35.790 - 01:10:45.770

for three or four days employer because they lost or something like that. Well, this is all over and favors. And they finally figured out, no, it was.

01:10:45.770 - 01:10:52.970

Please keep the plant and he was working somehow he came to work, I guess I missed a few days. They thought it would just note

01:10:52.970 - 01:11:03.790

here that she's tied up the work and say I'll say for some kind of work while she got fulfillment or something again,

01:11:03.790 - 01:11:12.960

unraveled, manages or whatever, you know, the ties bathroom and call, please. Please. Kevin's been planted and lock the guy up.

01:11:12.960 - 01:11:21.250

And I'd have about ten years ago there was actually a book written about it. So I'm just 10 years ago. She she wrote the book plug easy.

01:11:21.250 - 01:11:28.840

Gliese was her name. She's married remarry now. Just one of many things. Yeah.

01:11:28.840 - 01:11:37.240

Well, he said So there were fights. He said there were just two vocality. People died of natural causes. There are two fatality.

01:11:37.240 - 01:11:48.640

The crushing of them are ill. Did you see Did you hear any stories along the same lines I was asking you

01:11:48.640 - 01:11:56.150

about workers creating diversions because it's very monotonous work. So anything to pass the time make it a little more exciting.

01:11:56.150 - 01:12:09.660

Did you hear any stories about drug use, alcohol use on the job? Alcohol, drug use, bedding, horses, numbers. I mean, you know, you weren't

01:12:09.660 - 01:12:18.940

dealing with a bunch of seminary graduates. And and trust me, it wasn't all our people either does with one of

01:12:18.940 - 01:12:25.830

my old boss and she's going to have plated horses every day with sub I for local bookie. I mean, there are so many ways to make money.

01:12:25.830 - 01:12:35.080

That's why some of the people came to work. They would pay somebody to do their job while they would go sell whatever you have, whatever,

01:12:35.080 - 01:12:43.660

like take numbers and of course, events that happen when you have, when you have three or 4 thousand people they go what do you think?

01:12:43.660 - 01:12:51.130

They're not all cemetery. Cemetery. Yeah. Another priest in late January,

01:12:51.130 - 01:12:58.380

students fell apart. They're little tough. But there have been people who roadwork release and things like that.

01:12:58.380 - 01:13:09.220

But then again, you have people who are ordained ministers work on a line, so they didn't have really an education, but they ordained ministers.

01:13:09.220 - 01:13:16.220

They have their own church and then we work and next the guy across and got to work really. Everyone virtually removed.

01:13:16.220 - 01:13:23.320

And like I said just a few months ago, I was advised that whenever gotcha. Okay. Because you have to remember,

01:13:23.320 - 01:13:33.990

you're working in a production atmosphere. What does that mean? Get it. You got a number, it hit,

01:13:33.990 - 01:13:42.810

you do it anytime you're working in a bank, we go wrong. I think it's attention as high as everybody's running

01:13:42.810 - 01:13:48.960

around and they're given their own thing and you're bumping right here is possible to cover your job, whatever that is.

01:13:48.960 - 01:13:59.460

Okay. That's someone else, responsible donor. The one I was really confident. When you go to supervisor Joe and Joe, you don't again, anybody's way?

01:13:59.460 - 01:14:14.060

You try the child try not to. If it was an interesting place, it wasn't born, let's put it that way. It was boring, working on a lot of

01:14:14.060 - 01:14:23.470

these kinds of incidents with an optimal, not all the plot, though not limiting people who have

01:14:23.470 - 01:14:31.090

a diverse workforce events. What happened? He said, Yes, Some people just went to work and they paid someone to do their job because

01:14:31.090 - 01:14:39.100

maybe they were making a lot of money, taking numbers, are selling alcohol or something drawn out. That, that's how a lot of local businesses,

01:14:39.100 - 01:14:44.920

though a lot of businessmen, made money than it. Did. You see vendors selling,

01:14:44.920 - 01:14:54.760

selling food outside or around? I think it's called mailings ALL and said that they were they would lot of people that

01:14:54.760 - 01:14:59.650

are there would call an order for songs or cheese, steaks or something? Yeah.

01:14:59.650 - 01:15:16.400

Do you make bought Huggies? And that we also felt that I like animals. And one guy don't get down, give them money and all that. Commerce.

01:15:16.400 - 01:15:24.670

Save people money. The people on the line and add a half an hour for lunch. So you're not going to go where you're not going to go sit down someplace,

01:15:24.670 - 01:15:35.840

need half an hour ago. Right. So if someone to go cover their job and if the supervisor has been there long enough and not a total

01:15:35.840 - 01:15:46.040

authoritarian is someone who's doing a job, who cares. As long as the john's getting done, right? It doesn't matter who does it.

01:15:46.040 - 01:15:54.720

And done correctly. Given take. Just because there's sometimes the boss may say, oh, once you do this for me, when a

01:15:54.720 - 01:16:07.090

month I wanted to do. Then they got at the anatomy. So it's given take a lot of, you know, I'm not that clogs in about

01:16:07.090 - 01:16:16.200

the last five years was I spent almost live out in the plant loop is mainly upstairs. And there was willing to

01:16:16.200 - 01:16:25.070

go and do this and that. I told my boss I cannot be in two places the same time. Which one do you make of mine.

01:16:25.070 - 01:16:31.330

And it will stay at my desk ticket. There's a 100 degrees the plant and I don't want to hawk that. I want to know brand you are what

01:16:31.330 - 01:16:38.320

upstairs in the office air condition where the ROS the plant was there there were a lot of offices within the plant

01:16:38.320 - 01:16:45.790

like small modular offices. Now that we are conditioned with the rest of the plant wouldn't be very high depending where you

01:16:45.790 - 01:16:51.790

are and you're running around here not doing well. The line you aren't really running around for say,

01:16:51.790 - 01:17:01.600

mutate and wants to find area. But in order for coal. Because usually what did happen, the railroad and on

01:17:01.600 - 01:17:11.410

the other end of the slide. And I'll leave the door of my windy. And if you January day or February, if you work in that area,

01:17:11.410 - 01:17:18.280

it might be a little chilly. Yeah. Yeah. And then in the summer time would be the opposite? Yeah. It depends.

01:17:18.280 - 01:17:25.600

It depends who actually where you work there. Some areas were better than others. Then you've worked around the core schema of a line.

01:17:25.600 - 01:17:36.350

They started the cars, me smelling walls and all that. I mean, you know, there are a lot of a lot of additional benefits.

01:17:36.420 - 01:17:43.630

Say he said, Well, your first job for a year was the night shift on the line. I work nights.

01:17:43.630 - 01:17:51.960

There's other times that other child but for the most part, you were you said you work in like 70, 30, and 33 years like it.

01:17:51.960 - 01:18:00.040

Do you see a big difference between first shift, second shift, the people who mark them and well, yes,

01:18:00.040 - 01:18:10.490

but in a sense, the sense of most of the mountain through the growing partnership, things we tended to be more straight, narrow.

01:18:10.490 - 01:18:16.900

The people. And second, are you still had bosses. You gotta production superintendent ran the place.

01:18:16.900 - 01:18:33.130

Well, your plant manager at nighttime, really one of the things are more relaxed. Now, the bones, the job done, got done correctly and not as much tension.

01:18:33.130 - 01:18:44.380

So the drugs and how calm bending. It's just, you know, whatever as long as it got done. Right and no one got hurt.

01:18:44.380 - 01:18:50.770

Then they turned management sort of turn the other. Well, I don't think they actually went out and look

01:18:50.770 - 01:18:57.960

for people doing it. But you knew was going on. The info was you said you said, Yeah, I'm seeing I still I say,

01:18:57.960 - 01:19:05.290

I think this course is, but that's not uncommon anyplace else. Now, I'm sure right here at the university, we got this going on, I'm sure.

01:19:05.290 - 01:19:16.170

And I'll be selling Apple, but I know there's probably other illicit things going on. Let me look for people or people.

01:19:16.170 - 01:19:23.440

You know, I don't care if you have a three-piece suit where you work, unions group there. That's just an outside appearance.

01:19:23.440 - 01:19:30.540

You don't know what's gone on. For example, here's a thing. I went out a little of what the longitudes girl one time.

01:19:30.540 - 01:19:40.950

And Fred, I know because she worked for DuPont and we were sitting in his plays. And she says, I see that I drew by

01:19:40.950 - 01:19:49.150

Christ. And yesterday I did. I looked in the parking lot and less coming guys what they're drinking beer. It was hot. And so

01:19:49.150 - 01:19:58.880

that's really disgusting. How they build the bars. And we're sitting in a restaurant bar. I said one of the people at the bar,

01:19:58.880 - 01:20:06.100

since they're not drinking now. What's the difference? There is no difference. People or people.

01:20:06.100 - 01:20:15.310

We've got the average be bad thing. Some people are drinking on the job, some people who get drunk on the job. But if there isn't, some people read

01:20:15.310 - 01:20:25.730

the Bible on one side, he had choir boys working next to x Cummings seminary students, all creatures actually literally that's true.

01:20:26.040 - 01:20:35.390

But it just diversity. It wasn't more people. What's going on? The, on your feet.

01:20:35.390 - 01:20:42.580

And there's always a certain amount of talking and all of that. I mean, because you're doing a monotonous job and you had you had

01:20:42.580 - 01:20:52.690

to in order to break the monotony that you don't live in saying this is what you did. And if you have thin skin shell,

01:20:52.690 - 01:20:59.260

you have a problem. Because that's a joking around and I thought it was somebody found that you can take it.

01:20:59.260 - 01:21:05.530

Just a canard. Yes. Excused what I'm sending about human nature. Definitely. Yeah.

01:21:05.530 - 01:21:16.420

So it's happened Same thing he does here. So prey on weakness. Well, and then you, but your lateness may try and turn it into

01:21:16.420 - 01:21:27.430

a strength where you learn how to tolerate. Because not everyone's like you want them to be my view. We're all the same. The awful board.

01:21:27.430 - 01:21:43.090

Yeah. So there's no sorry. So we so we taught there this Eataly's there were fights.

01:21:43.090 - 01:21:52.150

Not many, but those shootings, which I don't know, shootings together, you would think so. I mean, you didn't have

01:21:52.150 - 01:22:01.580

any personal experiences. Gotta I gotta add, is that a incident with the guy I first started there.

01:22:02.820 - 01:22:11.080

We didn't see iodine and a hat and a number of people that I'd say first you to everyone who worked there for a long period.

01:22:11.080 - 01:22:20.630

Finally said, what I always know what the cost of somebody you're in a production atmosphere is now,

01:22:20.630 - 01:22:32.240

no one's going to say, Gee, Johnny, I would like you to do this for me. I really like, is he do it good? And you're getting paid to do it?

01:22:33.000 - 01:22:49.180

And if you know the UV, look for another job. I guess they said before David is not the most best place to work. When you are. Everyone was prostitute

01:22:49.180 - 01:22:57.190

herself and essentially he is the money was good and it benefits your retirement. Say you had a look.

01:22:57.190 - 01:23:04.030

I look at the root because in the short run and the job is not that exciting, but like anything else it

01:23:04.030 - 01:23:13.180

is there long enough. You'll get a better job. So eventually you got older, you learn things and then you went

01:23:13.180 - 01:23:22.570

and got a job working for maybe an inspector. You're still on the line, but you're not jumping into vehicles are running around your benefit, right?

01:23:22.570 - 01:23:34.150

Things up and then people down the line repair and there's other job you could be a janitor. Those guys who were pushing

01:23:34.150 - 01:23:39.940

a beryllium and doing other things, they didn't make as much money. But then again, they weren't working at a bar.

01:23:39.940 - 01:23:48.830

They surely didn't have the stress and they probably had hard to watch over time. And sampling like skilled trades.

01:23:48.830 - 01:23:59.220

Depending on what your trade was. Even made. A lot of mine, if you'd like working out. Now, sometimes involuntary.

01:23:59.220 - 01:24:08.890

What does production? You didn't eat enough choice. You, you're expected bidder, but sometimes wonder what the

01:24:08.890 - 01:24:16.270

doctrine of sovereignty they say what it meant more. For work eight hours and make time and a half word.

01:24:16.270 - 01:24:31.750

And you have one production. Most people anyway, choice to do it or not. So obviously some guys stayed there for a long period of time.

01:24:31.750 - 01:24:41.320

He saw newcomers and livery your experiences with them on the topic of the Union warrior experiences with seniority.

01:24:41.320 - 01:24:50.320

To do that, did you ever see anything like that play out where I am getting denied a job, It wasn't enough. So you know, yeah, how or if you've had

01:24:50.320 - 01:24:59.540

first pet get that. Well, that's the rules. There's labia. Everyone can play the game.

01:24:59.540 - 01:25:08.870

As long as you know the game, the rules of the game whose don't sign this the way it is and you know, it, it's no big surprise.

01:25:08.870 - 01:25:20.230

Your path was in. I just get the sense I listened to the interviews that classmates have done. Because you're only on the line for

01:25:20.230 - 01:25:28.440

about a year as an hourly worker, horizontal line for a couple of years. Salary. And then it seemed like

01:25:28.440 - 01:25:35.110

maybe because he went back to school and improve your skill set or whatever. The reason it seemed like you made

01:25:35.110 - 01:25:42.460

that transition pretty quickly. Why is it that you said you laugh in retrospect, you might think so. Letterhead that time I had at

01:25:42.460 - 01:25:48.880

the time he didn't think so. But I mean, you got into the managed and I stayed there for about 23 years.

01:25:48.880 - 01:25:54.490

Like I said, I got a degree as today. Tell us. Okay. Got it. Unless you got a degree. I got a degree.

01:25:54.490 - 01:26:05.770

I want to get ahead and be very persistent, obnoxious some thought. What are you doing for me? The blue Hughes Follow me if I got a degree,

01:26:05.770 - 01:26:15.270

we will do is I'll have at the end and it came to a time I was thinking about leaving off. Also, you know, if you're going to stay,

01:26:15.270 - 01:26:23.510

like in today's world, since no one gets a pension, everyone essentially, no moves from job to job.

01:26:23.510 - 01:26:37.180

Which is kind of sad in the sense that there is no loyalty to your employer. And conversely, there's no they don't care about you.

01:26:37.180 - 01:26:47.640

So you did have since there's no pension plan and you have a 401 k at a you are putting money into you don't

01:26:47.640 - 01:26:56.920

have any desire or need the standard couldn't get a job, process tree making more money. You just keep on assuming

01:26:56.920 - 01:27:07.680

they have for like a fan of because I was thinking I was trying to think of it. I wanted to retire MSA one unknown alright.

01:27:07.680 - 01:27:17.550

And get by. And You know, you're not going to work forever. So you got to start thinking about this a B bar because

01:27:17.550 - 01:27:26.370

the first few years that matter, tried, just like on the ice cream store, try different flavors. They have to why? That is Hank them now somewhere.

01:27:26.370 - 01:27:33.280

Because you can't have different colors your teams to them, you know where you are. Good pension constantly Union,

01:27:33.280 - 01:27:43.650

which, you know, that's okay. But ours came from happening. If, if there was no pensions and you don't like it here

01:27:43.650 - 01:27:50.730

you go some place else. What do you have the limits? You're not going to lose your 401 k because that's going

01:27:50.730 - 01:28:03.620

to go wherever you go from the oven. I have a patch and so you'd have no reason to Stein was holding her. And so sand hour

01:28:03.620 - 01:28:15.220

up until babies 20 some years ago, you've been there a year. Anything said that about HIV PPACA? Because that was no one

01:28:15.220 - 01:28:24.950

would criticize the company to welcome. Why is that? Well, one of the reasons bernard depression. They didn't Laney 10.

01:28:25.350 - 01:28:35.050

Now you may now to work 40 hours a week. He made were today's me. They kept the job place you're getting paid for.

01:28:35.050 - 01:28:45.400

So today, two days a week pays better than 0. Phase PE. So that's why a lot of people in their early said anything bad about the font.

01:28:45.400 - 01:28:56.620

And then finally, back in the early eighties, they've gotten the real-world, the automobile industry in the real-world. They want, if they could

01:28:56.620 - 01:29:05.660

do without your job, you're gone. Who defends your new ways, came along doing things, things are outsourced,

01:29:05.660 - 01:29:12.890

and various ways to do it because that's what the industrial engineering department and they're good at their jobs,

01:29:12.890 - 01:29:21.700

how they were assigned and all that while athlete that took this off and disease to overwork, focus of this guy is over work.

01:29:21.700 - 01:29:29.530

But this does not work. So we'll give them this piece to do, this piece to do. Even in our main limiting what I'm saying,

01:29:29.530 - 01:29:39.660

whatever, yeah, they did, save money, then carve. So that's why the automobile industry is not very elaborate place.

01:29:39.660 - 01:29:52.870

Even at that, I I'm sure. Yeah, Stole same. 1. I wanted to bring up you, especially Emily, sixties,

01:29:52.870 - 01:30:05.410

early seventies, height, Vietnam. And he said that he had ex-convicts in there and you had guys who are

01:30:05.410 - 01:30:18.040

almost like priests in waiting or something. Did you see any sort of political activity or religious activity? I asked, especially around the time of

01:30:18.040 - 01:30:25.150

Vietnam or was it just like, we know that's going on? I don't know if it was exactly what you're looking for,

01:30:25.150 - 01:30:39.820

but back in the late sixties MBA was there. You would have people like flaw here come in. We're hippies. And they would get

01:30:39.820 - 01:30:50.170

harassed a lot by a bunch of these good old boys. And here again, yada, yada, yada, tolerate Reagan,

01:30:50.170 - 01:31:00.460

walk out or hit the virus and whatever you wanted to do. But you know, it wasn't it was a macho type. What is the work?

01:31:00.460 - 01:31:11.440

In the sense that, you know, like these guys and kinda one here and in Europe guys whistle animal on this and it wasn't boring working.

01:31:11.440 - 01:31:21.370

You have this kind of diversions law suddenly not the jobs. So it wasn't boring. Yes. You had that stuff going

01:31:21.370 - 01:31:31.780

on? That's one thicker thing. I'm just pops in my mind I hadn't quite often enough that after a while excuse me, as time went on the

01:31:31.780 - 01:31:40.390

you know, that guy commonplace. So it wasn't a big thing than even supervised burnout and long Hey, guys, if I had enough money,

01:31:40.390 - 01:31:50.380

you're going to be Bao Dai Harley. So they'd have long hair and as you know the detail in the back of the cave, quote, acceptable.

01:31:50.380 - 01:32:07.280

But if I have the 6869 out of the air, right. Anything else? Just yeah, just a couple more questions on it and,

01:32:07.680 - 01:32:17.440

you know, so is your mentality at least was I have a job to do. Then. You had a family at home?

01:32:17.440 - 01:32:27.060

I feel like a lot of the workers found a family in the in the plant because they're working with some of the same guys so long.

01:32:27.060 - 01:32:40.390

Right next to them. Those what did you see in terms of what are the pros certain programs the company had like a like a softball league or link.

01:32:40.390 - 01:32:49.690

Sports Lee so they get involved. The company. I think they do anything to accompany sponsored that I recall.

01:32:49.690 - 01:32:58.240

Well, that that employer Again, I think the companies sponsor was like a doctor once a year, summer, which was

01:32:58.240 - 01:33:06.850

normally during change ever. So. While there's no production because or doing things on the planet, and it could be anywhere from

01:33:06.850 - 01:33:15.130

two weeks to months, depending what has to be done. And it was of no, I don't want anyone wanted to go

01:33:15.130 - 01:33:26.190

hourly salaried management that matter. And, you know, other than that, most things were done by the union, you know, outside of that realm,

01:33:26.190 - 01:33:39.660

they would have bowling leagues in the past. I know various names or the Beta basketball league or something. This is all a union

01:33:39.660 - 01:33:49.810

organized or maybe just the employees organized, but yeah. Do you think that the company related was a golf outing?

01:33:50.090 - 01:33:58.650

If you wanted to 10, you can pay your money that you read these and you wouldn't have to worry about food or drink or anything like that,

01:33:58.650 - 01:34:10.750

that mother, local country gloves. I went to feel I was a terrible golfer. So just a couple more things. She you said you're in

01:34:10.750 - 01:34:17.530

your opinion the plain clothes because they just weren't adapting to the demands of I'll say it

01:34:17.530 - 01:34:30.800

here again, I'll get on my soapbox. The Japanese, probably a better business plan. The American managers. Why is that?

01:34:30.800 - 01:34:42.630

Because the Japanese are very mildly. They don't they're not they're not trying to get to next quarters and longer. They're looking five years down the road,

01:34:42.630 - 01:34:51.380

10 years down the road. American management companies want to know what is our next quarter, how are we going to do?

01:34:51.380 - 01:34:58.630

She said they're still selling, making I drank, goes in these big trucks. Even know oil is going up, right? Well, yeah, the city to the

01:34:58.630 - 01:35:07.090

other That's true. With on the other southern point is this isn't the automobile industry, isn't they?

01:35:07.090 - 01:35:15.250

Compare it to a bakery? And when they were making Boston cream the next day we're making lemma more. I don't work.

01:35:15.250 - 01:35:26.420

I got the lead time from from one guy. It used to be I know it's cut now. I think the lead time when the guy had an idea of the concept of a car.

01:35:26.420 - 01:35:36.640

And he started drawing it. To the time the vehicle actually ran off the assembly line was three years. They got it down to maybe 22 months.

01:35:36.640 - 01:35:46.860

I think. There's still lead time. Now. You have to be flexibly. Your ear literally rolling the dice. I don't know what I'm going to do tonight,

01:35:46.860 - 01:35:56.080

let alone two years from now. Well, the public like this design will link this feature. You can do focus groups no, you want,

01:35:56.080 - 01:36:06.010

but there's no guarantee. There's no guarantee. So you don't know price Chrysler. Like I said before,

01:36:06.010 - 01:36:15.200

they never really came out of a hybrid or a small car fuel. But they had a knee on the nose. Not really. Same thing.

01:36:15.200 - 01:36:24.870

They just never not. There would've been a lot better if the handle they still they're still there. Okay. Yeah.

01:36:24.870 - 01:36:32.440

Whose fault? The diagonal line. I don't think so. He's just doing what he's told to do, what he's told.

01:36:32.440 - 01:36:42.440

What the top they DO. They, American management doesn't looked at in the long, long view of things.

01:36:42.440 - 01:36:53.170

Now as and that lead to the ultimate demise. And then the other thing that I love it, That's not the only thing, but financing and all that price,

01:36:53.170 - 01:37:03.730

they're just didn't have the right four didn't VM. And they got the, quote, their fans now, since we were to put a not

01:37:03.730 - 01:37:13.720

very good at paying four. Plus the other thing, when the Germans and Groysberg, one partnership that I

01:37:13.720 - 01:37:24.010

actually thought that would be a good idea, but later I found out that it wasn't all see and it didn't

01:37:24.010 - 01:37:32.740

work out the way they thought they would. Because the Germans candidate. Conclusion, why should we, for example, why should we put our brake

01:37:32.740 - 01:37:41.290

system that's in a 60 thousand on Mercedes and to implement for 20000. And then I can understand that, please.

01:37:41.290 - 01:37:51.190

That's achieves it Cheetos their vehicle. But on the other hand, suppose is swap technology and parks and things like that.

01:37:51.190 - 01:38:00.440

Why not Mercedes thing in employment? That's episodic point. But since that didn't work out, that even tough.

01:38:04.100 - 01:38:18.300

I already graded. You get an a a a floss is now it was asked on those really excited what Dr. Horowitz

01:38:18.300 - 01:38:25.830

maybe have a different story? No, no, no, no. I was I I you really addressed a lot of the questions was where I even

01:38:25.830 - 01:38:34.660

said this was unlike a lot of my classmates energies. I think they had guys who were strictly on the line for 30 years.

01:38:34.660 - 01:38:42.470

So CI been, you know, I've been on both sides. The OH, different jobs and things we got plus I knew people.

01:38:42.470 - 01:38:49.330

And that's right. And you said you would persist and, you know, when you've got the degree, I'd get that degree, you get the job.

01:38:49.330 - 01:39:02.900

And I was the first person I found we're going to talk about daughters. He got my sudden you'll never get what? That says to his choice.

01:39:02.900 - 01:39:14.590

C wanted to Northeastern. I am in downtown Boston. So and she lives in Cambridge. You slide actually works and game reinforce,

01:39:14.590 - 01:39:26.410

it slips out so I can come back null or you notice it says a son and her husband's job, good job in Business.

01:39:26.410 - 01:39:38.410

And she loved it up there. Suffered a winters. She's not too crazy about that area, Delaware, I get born

01:39:38.410 - 01:39:47.290

and raised here and you said you love here. Well, let's put this way. Having been a lot of places in the country

01:39:47.290 - 01:39:58.610

concerning the proximity that were close to things. Ideal, the weather or the lack of problems with a lot of water.

01:39:58.610 - 01:40:13.070

Too many tornadoes and earthquakes, floods, the cultural things, sporting things around here. Yeah.

01:40:13.070 - 01:40:25.320

Just think if you live in sunflower, Kansas, what are you going to do? Anything? I want to hear if you have a lot of that

01:40:25.320 - 01:40:32.550

in a little bit into columns down. One left. One good thing about polished now that you always something going

01:40:32.550 - 01:40:43.060

on because of his lord, you know, you'll have to play as most lovely. April or dotted line, the bins handcraft, your last name?

01:40:43.060 - 01:40:48.930

I'm actually sagittal share I remember first that was a great Vince lines or something. I was screwed up.

01:40:48.930 - 01:40:59.470

But I like sports, yeah. Academic things or maybe you have played to me. Yeah, welcome restaurants.

01:40:59.470 - 01:41:09.400

Main street in a yellow. Tomorrow. I'll be in here and I'll be listening to the faculty lecture notes to see

01:41:09.400 - 01:41:15.250

you weren't bored at the plant. You're still not bored? Yeah. Donna. I am not. I don't sit around

01:41:15.250 - 01:41:28.390

and watch Jerry Springer. That's goodbye. It's trying to get the book out and I still don't know a thing for the Historical Society, for my managers.

01:41:28.390 - 01:41:35.230

American Civil War always was. And I know a little bit. I mean, a lot of people know a lot more than I do,

01:41:35.230 - 01:41:44.500

but I'll more than collecting for books, paper. And in 1913, there was a 50th

01:41:44.500 - 01:41:55.810

anniversary Battle of Gettysburg. Stay the dollar. Had a train go up there and they took all the veterans, wanted to go from the state law.

01:41:55.810 - 01:42:05.350

Many people know about this. Well, I know the names or different. I think it was mostly in the newspaper. And I went to the state archives and figured

01:42:05.350 - 01:42:13.040

out how they financed the building, pass them all this stuff. But anyway, we're adding a monograph with historical society.

01:42:13.040 - 01:42:25.270

Probably be about, That's great. 20th ages. You know, somebody got houses for one among the board of historical study. And my second term.

01:42:25.270 - 01:42:36.580

And I'm one of the few people that you own, the more you use the place. Elegantly, research and then afterwards I'll go now, have new virion.

01:42:36.580 - 01:42:49.330

But stuff like that. Let me just run down this thing. I just like one thing, the cipher. So deep.

01:42:49.330 - 01:42:56.960

Do you go by William McKay? William, that's my technical name. What do you want? I don't know. It just says interviewee name.

01:42:56.960 - 01:43:02.820

What do you feel? Yeah. William, a mechanic with it now. Okay. That is my ruling.

01:43:02.820 - 01:43:11.170

Or someone calls up my house and ask for Bill. That's not what they do, maybe. Yeah. I mean, you go by and needed around again.

01:43:11.170 - 01:43:25.540

And what's your address? Sudden? Hidden Valley, dr. Just like salad dressing and needed development.

01:43:25.940 - 01:43:39.660

Ready? Yeah, Christians that CHO IS TIN as TBA the TI BA in English, the Christians, the Christians

01:43:39.660 - 01:43:55.490

that nor 19 serve them on the course numbers. My neighborhood. Actually you guys there was when they were on one side,

01:43:55.490 - 01:44:12.230

he used to be an HOA burner. Stephen murmur is now about phallus. Life is not correct. They'll often do research and whatnot.

01:44:12.230 - 01:44:18.890

The dove her hours a work week. They should be doing that. Yeah. So I so let's that phone number.

01:44:18.890 - 01:44:39.560

30 to 36 84331. Ands I have you know, what is that over time, your email just McKay MC KEY by 14 at aol.com.

01:44:39.570 - 01:44:54.140

And you're gave birth to let me make sure as you're born in 46 July second 46. On a prep prep,

01:44:54.140 - 01:45:03.830

astronomical or not, that's actually a lot of us are eligible. And you are born in Wilmington? Yes, sir.

01:45:07.020 - 01:45:16.960

And what the public schools, my Farley. So when you came to the New York area, say you went to school but then you graduated and you went

01:45:16.960 - 01:45:26.200

off to the military for three or four years? Three years. So Wendy, Good. Seeing you came to the New York area?

01:45:26.200 - 01:45:32.350

Oh, no. So then after the military you went to Tennessee? I went through the work of Christ three

01:45:32.350 - 01:45:40.390

or I lived at home than I want the Tennessee in Clarksville. So you can see you came to the New York area like you

01:45:40.390 - 01:45:56.230

suddenly want them close enough. And so you worked at the Chrysler plant, can give us a various DO hour in salary and mountain will have the dates.

01:45:56.230 - 01:46:09.160

You are 6069? Yes. Excuse me, 960 seven through 2003. That's timespan. Not continuous because anyone will anyone work there?

01:46:09.160 - 01:46:14.160

Long period. Got laid off in class, right? That's right. Yeah. He said You lasts for

01:46:14.160 - 01:46:19.990

a year to lead to that is I can just say it's three times that of leave of absences. So I'd work three months a year.

01:46:19.990 - 01:46:33.250

The school not or there abouts mean jobs. Well, I guess you could say the mean jobs held really included bark on the Y. Well, no, that would be down here but

01:46:33.250 - 01:46:50.530

made to other forecasting. Clerical wide weren't. Nonetheless, this one work be near the end. And can you hold any positions

01:46:50.530 - 01:47:00.820

while Why is that active employee? Know what I do. I am I am right now the treasure of the retirees

01:47:00.820 - 01:47:07.660

level. That's no story. We actually have magnetic, let me get that warmer than the treasury that I'm the treasurer.

01:47:07.660 - 01:47:23.770

Other retaught local 12 12 retiree chapter. Retirees chapter is all it is is we have meetings 10 months. Uh, yeah, the dwell in class,

01:47:23.770 - 01:47:36.210

go to the restaurant. Anything in the name of it? The glass kitchen. And you know, it's like informative.

01:47:36.210 - 01:47:43.330

People find out things or something's happening. You know, we talked about then we have lunch. Business, meaning that eat.

01:47:43.700 - 01:47:55.170

Nothing too exciting, but soon going to be over that responsibility. Because I was filling in for a I filled in the untar unfinished portion of

01:47:55.170 - 01:48:03.630

this one woman's you do treasure is what you do. Write out a check and a few other things. And my term I'm

01:48:03.630 - 01:48:13.930

not I'm not re enlisting. Why is that? Because I believe P, in order for things to work well, people have to participate.

01:48:13.930 - 01:48:24.370

That's why we get the gain term loans are for term limits. So I can see people standing in any job in Congress,

01:48:24.370 - 01:48:33.520

Senate, or whatever, more than two-thirds. Well saviors, for several factors. You probably may do the best job in the world with somebody else,

01:48:33.520 - 01:48:40.880

maybe a little better than you. But nevertheless, again, then again, that gives me weren't lot worse, but at least you're not there as a fixture,

01:48:40.880 - 01:48:48.190

that you need elections, you need participation. You need disposition from everybody. Everyone should hold a job at

01:48:48.190 - 01:48:59.230

something that office one time or another. Because just getting used to. I've, I could be the president, retire tonight,

01:48:59.230 - 01:49:11.140

but I did, I did my term, let somebody else do it for them. And one of the things I did see, I kept a lot of things and Chrysler was

01:49:11.140 - 01:49:24.070

working vacation schedules like the aims, stuff like well, why did it? Because I'm a historian, half this but historian.

01:49:24.070 - 01:49:36.500

And I collect things, pack rat animals length, and I we never had a list of people who are retired.

01:49:36.500 - 01:49:43.720

I made a list of the people who are retired plus the ones that I knew died. And how I know that because I don't have the role.

01:49:43.720 - 01:49:54.130

So security numbers. So you'd move on wine and Sikhism and died four seconds. So I'm in Nicaragua, hell even numerology.

01:49:54.130 - 01:50:06.400

Girl who share mine. But, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, it's dead. Dead. And so I made a list of all

01:50:06.400 - 01:50:13.390

of our people who were deceased. I knew of some shows not complete because I don't have a great record,

01:50:13.390 - 01:50:21.970

but it's pretty damn good. And I spent like three months working on, off and on to new people, names in the news. So screening, I wasn't aware of what

01:50:21.970 - 01:50:28.520

the promise of new peoples names didn't have the resources. So that it's tough to figure out what some of I

01:50:28.520 - 01:50:39.760

figured out my cross and look at newspapers and things like that. Research. Well, I don't have this. This is just the release.

01:50:39.760 - 01:50:47.530

It's basically telling you that it's going to go in the library, please. Yes, I got home and I lead

01:50:47.530 - 01:50:56.560

the linear address that at the bottom. And if you'll just wait right here because I'm going to well, I don't see that won't hear anymore,

01:50:56.560 - 01:52:13.740

but I'm going to get somebody to help me with this. I get what you're saying. We don't want I don't want anything.

01:52:13.740 - 01:52:29.200

I had the audio recording device going. Yeah. So I don't wanna delete it. And I'm liking what this file is like.

01:52:29.200 - 01:52:41.020

We're getting into special collections and then you're supposed to like send it to me in a Dropbox off of this. Yeah. Okay. And there's nothing there

01:52:41.020 - 01:52:53.540

but she is at lunch somewhere? Yeah. As you said, areas that are Bryce who's plus okay. Yeah. It's definitely a question for her.

01:52:53.820 - 01:53:04.810

She should be that you'd like to make just press Stop that. Yeah. Oh, God. I mean, if it was recording, that's

01:53:04.810 - 01:53:15.700

him Stop Recording. Why is this is still recording too? Because this is off now or maybe they absolved.

01:53:15.700 - 01:53:30.060

Wow, it's a good thing we have this. Man, let me know what it actually went on for an hour and 29 minutes. And this was our and if the who so yeah.

01:53:30.060 - 01:53:37.790

So recording, right? Yeah. Well, so now I really need to stop. Yeah.