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Yes. I think it's recording. Okay. Let's get this ball rolling, Ms. Linda. Okay.

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So unless unless you your your parents would object, you can call me Linda. Okay.

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That's totally fine. That feels weird. Okay. Okay. Lynn, No, I'm saying oh, unless you're uncomfortable,

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I know that there are parents who will be very upset if someone younger called an older person by their first name,

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but I don't have a problem with it, so it's whatever your comfort level is. Okay. I'll try it. I feel like I'm proudly up to you,

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Ms. Linda, but we'll say that's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to start with I hate to say this,

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but like softball questions to ease you in IS so this is about your experiences going going, transitioning to University of Delaware.

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Do you remember what the University of Delaware his reputation was? At the time that you want?

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I really didn't investigate what the record patient was. But once I got there, of course, I saw that it was

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a predominantly Caucasian run and student body was, I'm thinking maybe at least 80, 90% Caucasian.

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But don't hold me to that figure. I just know it was extremely high for none people of color. Wow. Wow. Okay.

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So do you remember your family's reaction about you going to University of Delaware? They were fine with it.

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My family distress going to college. They didn't really care where. As long as it was affordable. Very interesting. Okay.

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So the next question is, what did it take for you to get in when there's certain requirements that you had to do because I know it was

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probably harder for an African-American to get in. I'm sure you had to have the whatever the appropriate grade

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point average was. I have no memory of my application. But remember we had a recruiter. Mr. Richard Wilson recruited

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African-American students throughout the tri-state area. Wow, good guy. Yeah, I heavily recruited us.

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Okay. I'd love to hear more about that. I have I have questions about him. Okay. So the next part is about

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share on your impressions of life on campus. What were your first impressions of going to University of Delaware? Dislike the campus.

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What life was like? Like your classes, just general first impressions. Well, of course I didn't know

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what life is going to be like, but I, you know, I was pleased with my dorm. I live in dorms that

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were were torn down a few years ago. They were called the Gilbert and I lived in Gilbert D I I had a I had a double and I had a roommate.

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Although she didn't stay. She left after the first, which is wonderful. And I met 23 actually African-American women there that remained friends

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with me for decades. Wow, so that was nice. Remember when when I went to school? Well, when my class is in school,

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we did not have open dorms, meaning they were not co-ed. Men could not come in the door. And so we had lots of

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fun making up games, eating junk food. So that that part was nice. I also was called a work-study students. So my job was in the dining hall.

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So this kitchen staff always loaded me up with flew to take back to the dorm. That was nice. I love walking,

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so I didn't mind walking way across campus to my classes. So I and my best friend from my neighborhood was also living into Gilbert's Gilbert be so,

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you know, I had a fine impression of the university doubt. Very interesting, Very interesting. Okay, So the next part

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is just like general life on campus. You, you already touched on this, so thank you for that. What do you happen to remember and yeah.

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I just want to add that. I do want to add that we did have dance dances that we you know, we would tell

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a dorm director we wanted to use the I guess you could call the lounge for a party and that's when we could, you know, interact with

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our male friends at a party. Wow. That's cool. Deal. Would you mind me asking if those were segregated or did anybody

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just pretty much yes. Anybody could come. What pretty much it was the African-American students who were there.

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But anybody could come. Yeah. Very, very cool. Okay. So you already touched

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on you kinda touched on this already. But do you happen to remember what dating life on campus was like? Just just in general.

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I'm sure we all kind of dated around. If you want to call a dating sometime you just if you're just saying with the same guy more than two times,

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you might have be accused of day light. So I think dating had a different definition back then. Yeah. Yeah.

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Very cool. Okay. So you already touched on this? Yeah. You already touched on that one. Do you remember your favorite classes?

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My favorite classes? Yes. Yeah. I I love political science. And I loved, um,

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I would say in my sociology classes, I was a sociology major. I loved sociology and political science. Very neat.

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Okay. So were you were you involved in any sports or any sort of organization? Along those lines? I was not involved in any spores.

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When I was involved with the the BAM, not to be August, the black alumni organization, but the Center for Black culture. Yeah.

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Could you expand on that? Could you tell me that the work that you were doing with Richard Wilson,

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recruiting, helping recruit African-Americans? Know, it's I guess it was I was, I was I guess maybe

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on the social committee because we would kinda plan cultural things. Bring in speakers. Very cool, very cool.

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To the campus. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So this next part

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is where it gets a little bit spicier. Um, this I labeled this part the racial climate on campus. So what will your experience,

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did you I'm sorry for that. So what were your experiences with racism on campus? Not fortunate enough. I did not experience

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any direct racism at University of Delaware person slowly. Okay. The only time that I sensed that there

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was a bias regarding people of color was I think I told you that when the university seem to be I hope this program.

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I am so sorry to say this. You just like you completely cut out. I got the only time I heard bias is when the University of Delaware blank.

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When the University of Delaware seemed to be very slow or either reluctant to begin African-American studies. And, you know, we were disgruntled about,

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about this lotus of it and we protested as a matter of fact. Yeah. So what as far as anything direct personally,

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I did not experience that. Okay. Okay. So if you didn't experience anything like that on campus,

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did you happen to experience anything like that New York because you obviously lived on campus.

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You must have been a main street. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was told I was told there was certain places you And go.

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But I didn't listen to that. I went wherever I want it to go. I don't I don't recall anybody say anything to me

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or denying the access at that time. But again, that's me. You might speak to other students. Where that didn't happen.

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Yeah. Okay. So we already went over that. So this question is

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about the main thing I wanted to talk to you about your experiences with admin because in your description, a road that you protested

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a lot and you already mentioned this. You already mentioned this, but do you remember how admin treated African American students?

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Meeting? This could be teachers, this could be present in Toronto. This could be anything. How admin treated faculty or students,

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or African-American students or teachers, if you'd like to go into that. Again, I are are are protests was about the slowness

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or hesitancy to begin the program. Yeah. And which means that you had excuse me, you had to hire people who, you know some background

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and African-American studies, which would typically be an African American person. Not necessarily what typically.

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So, you know, we, we may have looked at it as, hey, maybe they don't want any, they don't want to increase

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our African-American teachers. I'm a faculty. I'm trying to remember if I had any African-American or they are professors. During my initial years.

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I don't recall any. Wow. Until the African-American Studies Program started?

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Yeah. Yeah, that was 72. So that was like one of your final years? Yes. Yes.

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So you gave me the reason why he protested. Now, I would like to ask you some questions more specific. Remember you.

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Okay. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Briana did was I participated in another protests.

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But it didn't have anything to do with the University of Delaware. Vietnam was, was going on at that time. And so there were a lot of students of

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all races and backgrounds doing protests on campus for against the war. And as a matter of fact, my boyfriend at the time we went to

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another college and I had our pictures in the paper because of that. Oh, that is so cool. Wow.

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Okay. Oh, I loved it. I love to hear you expand on that. If you if there's anything else you can

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remember because Christie's in Vietnam. Huge thing. Oh, yeah. There were protests all over the nation.

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You know, Kent, Kent State students were shot. And for protesting. It was just a really,

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really vary, was a sad time. You know, this generation lived with the Afghanistan War. We live with the Vietnam War.

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Televised on TV. So it's not like you'd get away from it. Yeah. The shooting and, you know,

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the the the troops our troops really had a difficult time because there were like suicide, suicide attempts. They would use children and women that

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were laid with explosives. And you would think it's just innocent people and what they would, they would blow up our true, you know,

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and so our troops would respond and killing some of them. And then you had the horror back into US of a accusing the troops

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of killing innocent women and children when you didn't know who was who. My regret is that we didn't

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have a ticker-tape parades for the Vietnam vets. I think that the US was remiss has been remiss in that,

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you know, the World War Two vets got a ticker tape parade. Vietnam vets did not. I think a lot of it had to do with

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Some of the controversy around the the, you know, the killing of women and children. Very cool. Very cool.

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Yeah. Okay. Oh God. Okay. I need to do this,

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but bringing it back to you. I love, I love hearing that. I do. I got I loved to go more.

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So in 1970, just trying to give context of the year, I don't really know what was going on in that year,

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but that was your second year. So there was an honors day? Well, I started in 60. Yeah.

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Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'd love to hear what you no, I was going to say I started in September.

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Number of 69 and yes, it went into first-year went into 70? Correct. Okay. So there was

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an honors day protest and that was about the African American Studies because Toronto was talking and African-American students

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got up and said, You weren't treating us right? We want our studies. Were you part of that or

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did you hear about that? That's the protests. I was a part I would absolutely love to

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hear your experiences with this. Well, I'm not sure how much there is tell other than because we were unhappy

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with how the university was handling, that, we needed to make a statement. We did interrupt an honors program. We marched across the stage and stood there.

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It was a peaceful protests. We did not shout anything that was inappropriate, was a peaceful protests.

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And what was wonderful about it is that Mr. Wilson, who was our mentor and who was he was a member of administration there.

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He was a recruiter. There. He stood with us, so he put his job on the line. For that.

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We were all disciplined. Disciplined in the sense that it was something that went on our record that we participate.

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It's updated in protests. We disrupted University of Delaware program. But that was it. Suffer any at least not that I know of.

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I suffered any consequences. So gross that they they did that. Yeah. But but the program, the African American Studies program,

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all of a sudden took up. Got some speed to it. So cool, it worked. Okay.

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So you talked about so I'd like to ask you about the Black Student Union. You mentioned you mentioned it earlier,

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but you said you weren't part of it. Do you remember what they did you happen to remember? Did you know anybody that was in it?

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Oh, yeah. We were so few that all black students knew each other. So yeah, we were

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we we were the Black Student Union which slash Center for black culture. Yeah. So yeah, we were yeah. Again, we weren't that many.

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And so we were all a part of it. At least wanted to be here. Can I ask what you did? What Okay.

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I know there's different committees. Different committees had different roles. And like I said, I was I was on the committee.

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More of this social chlamydia. We brought in speakers and plan social events. But you're asking me to jog my memory.

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We're talking about 1969 to 73 and we're in 2021, almost 2022. It's taller. Reasonable. Cannot remember everything.

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Thank you for doing this. So I'd like to ask you about Richard Wilson. He was such a large and important man to ever been on campus.

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I read a documentary that is daughter wrote about him and it was absolutely gorgeous. Yes, he like very nice, polite,

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committed to African American education in our general welfare at the University of Delaware. I mean, he just he was just phenomenal.

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I remember remember I told you that we could not have males in a dorm our first two years. And the Gauss and my dorm,

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all of us, we decided that we were bored. Meaning we just didn't have enough going on at the university. We didn't have enough. We'd have enough fun.

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I mean, we did stuff in the dorm, but we wanted something more exciting. So we went to Mr. Wilson and said, we want to we want to rent a car and get

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off campus and go somewhere. And he, he made it possible. Wow, he made it possible. There was a man on

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campus called Colonel Alan. He was the head of financial aid or he had a very important role in financial aid.

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And I believe Mr. Wilson to talk to him and told him that we wanted so kind of different kinds of fun for a little bit.

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And the next thing we knew, we were able to rent a car at the universities expense. We went to we went to another campus.

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They had a predominantly male campus. So we we had some fun and then we came back home. So but that's the kind of man he was he,

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you know, whatever we need it. He he was there. So cool. Okay.

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Oh, wow. That's cool. Okay. So I already said this, but I read that he was very involved in recruiting African-American, yes, absolutely.

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All over the tri-state area. Probably even further than that, but definitely the tri-state area because we I, you know,

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made friends with people from Pennsylvania, Maryland, and New Jersey. I should say the quad state area. Okay. As a member of the I don't okay.

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I don't know if this be part of the Black Student Union. But did you help him recruit african American students or did you

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just knew of his work? Well, I knew of his work because he recruited me and my bed friends and

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other people at my high school. And of course he asked us to help anybody knew feel welcome. So we would do that.

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When the new freshmen came in. I'm sure I was probably, probably a part of helping to plan some kind of party or social gathering.

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Very cool. Okay. So you already mentioned this earlier, but I'd like to elaborate on his role as

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an ally for African-American students. Because he what I read, I'm not sure because I wasn't there and there's not

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enough research on this. But it seemed like he was basically the only African-American faculty or like person

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associated with UD at the at the time that you came in basically I'm sorry, Briana, that depth. Remember connecting to

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any other African-American faculty or admitted? Straighter? Ud when I was there.

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I mean, there could have been. I just have no recollection of it. Yeah. Do you yummy. Already mentioned the car thing,

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which is a great story and with the honors day. But I know this is a long time ago, but what you happen to remember

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any other instances of him being an ally to African-Americans because yeah, she recruited to you and

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he was such a great guy. You have any other anecdotes about him? But she can remember. No.

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It's just good to talk to. Everybody loved him. I mean, you know, all African-American students loved

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him and it was just so good to know we had an ally at a predominantly white school. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool hearing.

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Because, I mean, such a such a great guy. I wish I could have known him. Yes. Yes. He passed too soon.

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Absolutely too soon. So yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay.

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So the next part is about life after University of Delaware. So you mentioned that you were Sociology major?

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Yes. Did you apply that major to your career? I guess you could say yes. When I graduated, I graduated,

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went on to graduate school. And I got an MSW in social work because I had an interest in criminal justice,

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criminal justice reform, you know, I was very idealistic then. And then after I graduate, waited for graduate school.

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Excuse me. I my first job was in, I guess, social research. Yeah. So I did research for many years for social causes and

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criminal justice and prison reform and mental justice and things like that. For years, I did that and then I fell into social work.

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Yeah. Coriolanus. But yeah, sociology just really just opens a door for you. Yeah.

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Yeah. Okay. So I would like to ask you a little bit more about that if you How

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did your co-workers treat you? Did you did you face any form of racism at work? Because social work, I'm assuming was not a

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very must have been a very competitive place. You I'm sorry. I don't recall experiencing discrimination at any of my jobs. No.

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Okay. Okay. Again, I'm not saying it wasn't there. I just don't recall

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experiencing any anything direct. Yeah. Okay. Very cool. Very cool. Thank you.

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So this last part is your reflections on your years at University of Delaware. You already touched on this,

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but I would like to go more into detail. So my first question is, did you feel like the University of Delaware

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gave you a good education? Yes. Yes. I believe that I got a good education at the university.

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Okay. We already mentioned like my second was helped you in your career. We already elaborate on that.

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Yes. So how do you feel like University of Delaware had a lasting impact on you as a person?

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Well, when one goes to college, it's an opportunity to transition from teen life to adult life. Which is why I wish everyone

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could experience college. And, you know, I felt like I grew up there. And again, because Mr. Wilson was there, I think that all

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of us probably felt that we grew up in a safe and comforting and supportive environment. Very cool.

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I enjoyed my years at University of Delaware, enjoyed my dear friends. I met there that I two of which I still have. And yeah.

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So I I just look at it as having had a great experience. Okay. This is This question

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is kind of like the last one. Oh, one more thing. I'm sorry. Yeah. A little bit here.

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I was in a play my senior year. And I never acted before in my life and I haven't said but yeah. That was a growing up experience

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for me as well. Because it was a silent, a silent play. Meaning we had to act out are the drama. And we had to do stunts like walk on stilts

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and stand on our head and oh my God. Fall 20 feet up into the arms of people that you hope would catch you?

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I've never done anything like that before. But that that matured me. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. Thank you for that. So this This next question

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is very much like the last one, but this is more specific to University of Delaware. How would you overall rate

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your years at University of Delaware? Really good, bad. I mean, you already mentioned that they were good

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but just like yeah. I would say they were good years. They were good years. Yeah.

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I was not ready to enter the work world when I graduated. I guess you can get you can get comfortable. You know, you're in a dorm where I

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lived at the towers by last year. I don't know if you were there when the towers were built. I'm sorry. We're standing. There were apartments.

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I was thrilled. Our class was the first-class to live in the towers. And we just thought we had

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really moved on up into world to live in an apartment. And so I, you know, you get comfortable in

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college and I wasn't ready to enter the work world, which is another reason I went on to graduate school.

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So but yeah, they were good years. Okay. So, um, structured questions now I would like to take the chance to ask you,

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do you have any anecdotes? I mean, this could be about anything about the University of Delaware all your time there that she would like to share?

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Anything they'd like to share. All the students on east side of campus, regardless of race, regardless of status. I loved working in

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the dining hall. What else? Anything else I might Oh, I don't know whether you still call it that. But the beach, you know,

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the plot of land that was on east side of campus. I don't know. I know guilt. Work has been torn down,

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but I don't know if Harrington has been torn down, but Harrington and Gilbert surrounded the beach and

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another dorm did too, but I can't remember the name. And the student center was at the other end of it.

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I noticed dude center has moved since. But anyway, it was We call it the beach. And people play Frisbee. You had picnics out there.

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You could play cards, you could play games. You could just sit out and talk. And it literally was not a beach, but we call it a beach.

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But it was just grasp a lot of grass that you could do anything you want sitting out there there were there were students who

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study at the beach. I don't know. Usually when somebody playing a game, but they managed to read and study.

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Something else. Like I said, we couldn't have men in a dorm. But I think the end of the second year, they do, the university relaxed.

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It's it's restricted. And as long as the guy the guy was in your room, as long as the door was open,

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the length and width of our biology was a very thick book. Then you can have a male in your room for a few hours.

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It was some time restrictions. I don't remember what they were, but let's say it was two to five. Your your dorm door had to be cracked

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the width and length of your biology book. And you know, we had we had dorm directors to who who could exercise some discipline

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if you didn't follow the rules? When I got to my junior year, we had open doors and men could come in and out at will.

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So that was a transition. Trying to think, was there anything else? I love the campus. I think University of Delaware

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is a beautiful campus. And like I said, because I like to walk, I didn't mind walking to class because I lived on the East side.

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And I had to walk across campus to get to some of my classes. Yeah. I can't think of anything else right now. Okay.

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Wow. I love I love hearing about the the the dorm experience. That's so funny. I know it's a foreign concept now.

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It's a foreign cons three guys right next to me in my dorm. Yes. And you know what I said? I don't mind open dorms,

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but I definitely would not live in a dorm or guys lived on my floor because I believe men and women have different

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bathroom habits and I would want a guy sharing my door. Also remember we didn't have email, but that time we didn't have any of

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the social media at that time. Yeah. Yeah. We have we have so if we wanted to talk to guys we to I'm sorry.

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I'd love to hear talking about guys. Yeah. We we we I think everyone who went to school with me,

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at least my crowd I hung around with probably with say the same thing that we would not have wanted to share

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a bathroom with with any of the guys that we knew. We also we really supported the basketball and football games.

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Do you hear that? That was fun. That was really fun. Blue hand pride. Yes.

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We had blue hand. Right. We also oh, here's where they are. At least two years. I don't it may have even been three.

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We have made service. Yeah. We had Made Who would clean our rooms. And when was it? You have this this was yeah.

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I know. Definitely freshman and sophomore and I think it extended into the junior year two. It's cleaner rooms.

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I'm sure. They're called cleaning staff now, but they will call maids. Then. Back are the person who cleans our room,

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was named Evelyn, very, very sweet. I stayed in touch with her Even after I left the University of Delaware. Very cool. I love

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hearing all these little inner personal things. We got phone messages. We had a we had

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a payphone in the hallway and, you know, people could call us on that phone. And you There was a a log there and you wrote down a message.

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If somebody got to pause it, Briana gotta call, you'd write down the name is Briana and who called her and the time.

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And it was up to Briana to go check that log to see if anybody I called her. Very different world.

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Shockingly different. Okay. Wow, This has been really cool. I mean, unless you

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can remember anything more, I love, I'd love to hear it honestly anything. It's been very interesting.

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I think that's the I can't think of anything else. Yeah, I think that's the real bread and butter.

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The, the good the good content. I mean, we talked about Richard Wilson. Yes. Protesting. Oh, I didn't. Okay.

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So this is so add order. But I like to ask you on what your opinions were about President Javan.

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Do you do remember him? Yes, of course, I didn't have daily interaction with him. My only memory of him was,

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of course, she would seem some time on campus, but, you know, when he was speaking at the Honors Program

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and we interrupt it. But that's really the only kind of contact I had with him. Yeah. Okay. I just figured be somewhere.

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It's asking. Yeah. Okay. We are racial climate.

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We're saying we got life on campus. I loved loved hearing about the phones and the boys. I was I didn't know.

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I love hearing that life. Life is our day. Yes. So different. So different. And so it must be a shock?

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Must be quite a shock. Yeah. Oh, one more thing. In order to leave campus,

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your parents had to get permission to the dorm director. You had to have a note from your parents to the dorm director

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if you if you left campus and I'm sure that was freshman and sophomore year. It may have gone into junior year.

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I think it stopped when we were allowed to have men in our dorms. But yeah, you had to have a

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note if you left campus, you know, outside of if you were going to stay overnight. So where are you going to take a trip?

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You had to have a note from your parents? Because, you know, we we we had we had to be in the dorms at a certain hour. So if you had to have permission

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to to go somewhere? Yeah. Again, different world. Had curfews. Can I ask what time that was?

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I'm trying to think. Did we have to be in the dorms by eight, maybe eight or nine or something like that. Isn't that something?

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Wow. Might have been earlier than that, but I think maybe eight or nine. Yeah. Probably probably maybe nine,

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I guess because you had to have dinner and some dinner stopped, I think 630 years or maybe dinner stopped at 630.

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And then if you ate and laughed and talk, maybe you might stay in the dining hall. So after step. So yeah. Yeah.

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Whatever time the library. I think that's when you had to be in your dorm. Oh, okay. Question about

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something you said reminded me of something in the papers that he had the newspaper articles they had us read.

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It mentioned that the library was a hotspot for African-American students to hang out. Was that shoe and you're

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taught live when you were there? You remember? I don't remember hanging out at the library. I remember studying there.

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I just don't remember hanging out there. Yeah. We I remember just hanging out at the beach, hanging out at the student center,

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trying to think anywhere else. We all know that it might have been a group of people who hung out there that I just did.

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I didn't hang around. So very cool. Very cool. I mean, I think for me,

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that's that's I got what I'd like to talk about. Alright, my question now, this is going into,

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of course, the history of the university Delaware. Who will listen to this other than your professor?

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Honestly, like this is the class that I'm taking right now. I'm going to okay. Before I answer him to stop recording,

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if that's okay with you because I don't think he needs to hear this part. Yes. Okay.