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All right. We're back with rain cross. Okay. Yeah.

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Where were you What topics came to your mind? Well, remember, first thing we mentioned, one of the questions you asked was, how did I handled expenses?

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The expenses associated with college. And I remembered I didn't come away with a lot of college debt because like I said in the beginning,

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it was covered these national they would call it National Student Aid Fund grants that we got.

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But part of that grant, which as I think back I said it's kind of interesting, was work-study. Now, I don't know if they

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still do work study around, but my work study was working in the cafeteria washing dishes. I don't know if they still do that,

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but I think I remember most of the only other people that were in there working with me where African Americans from

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the new art community that had full-time jobs there. I thought that was pretty interested in something that people

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should be aware of because I know there are a lot of better work study jobs like working in different counters,

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the students center and the light, but but mine was washing dishes. I go between classes for lunchtime and dinner and the like.

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But it was help and help pay for my college back in the late sixties. Yeah, that's definitely important because I know that they are

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purposely put a lot of African-Americans in those types of jobs like in the school. Yes. That's definitely significant. Bisected thing was you

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any staff person that they remembered and had thoughts about. And there was there were very significant. Now just on a historical contexts.

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Back in the early seventies, the Vietnam War had just ended. Everyone was anti-war. Fatalities were

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really frowned on at that time. In fact, we were fraternities were frown die. But when we came on with omega, we wore our colors,

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we were proud of it. And in fact, ATO, on the south side of campus, their colors are similar to ours.

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And those guys, they saw us wearing our colors. They started wearing their colors, PKA, the bikes.

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We got to be friends with them and we did a lot of things intramural wise. And I like, I like to think that not only were we the first African Americans

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for tyranny on the yard, but we kind of brought back to life, fraternity, ism, and the like. Now, we would not have been able to do

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that without the help of this one staff person. Like I told you before, Mr. Wilson was adamant

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against our fraternity coming on campus. So even after we received a charter for the fraternity from the National, our body,

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we still had to be accepted onto the University of Delaware as valid campus organization. In doing some research on my chapter,

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I actually found a letter that Dean Wilson wrote two. Stewart Sharpie, who is the Vice President at students at the time,

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recommended that we not be accepted onto the campus. Fraternity brother Arnold, who's a very close friend of mine,

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who has since passed. He and I went to meet with the Director of Residence Life who was actually responsible for

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Terrence for fraternities and sororities. His name was Walter C. Code. And we sat down and we made our point too well that we

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would be a viable organization and would help the black student body and the light wall actually supported us in front of Dean Sharkey against Dick Wilson

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and goddess accepted as an organization. I just want to make sure he's mentioned that someone that was really a friend,

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you know, to the organization and get that on record. Yeah. The third thing and I don't know, I guess you can call it

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a case of discrimination. But it's more of a systemic type of discrimination than a personnel. Back in 1976, December 1976.

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I was I had graduated but there were brothers on the yard that setup a concert. Are you familiar with Paddy libel? I heard the name.

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I don't know exactly what it is that she's an icon now. One that she's a black singer that is well renowned.

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Anyway, she was making a comeback at the time with a group called Night Bird. She had known a Hendrix and another young lady.

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I can't remember her name. But we had set up a concert with La Belle. Dexter ones, who was a very big time jazz artists at the time.

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And Jean Carne, who was also a very famous vocalists. Now, we had reserved carpenter Sports Center for the event.

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I told you we would do a lot of things in the lounges and the like as entertainment for us because it wasn't anything structurally

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going on in the university that was towards African-American students. Well, we were, this was going to be one of

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the most successful events. We had sold almost 2 thousand tickets to this event. Well, when the administration found

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out how many tickets we had sold, they called our fraternity and said they had only approved us to have one-quarter carpet in the sports building.

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Well, a quarter or a carpenter sports bill that would only hold about 500 people. We couldn't pay the promoter

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and anything to make a profit off of that number of tickets. So we actually had to cancel the program and refund all of the money that we

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had collected for tickets. And I can only think that the reason that was done was because the university wasn't ready to have

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2000s black students and people on the campus at that time. This was 1976 and that's the only conclusion I can come to.

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To me that that was the one example of some systemic discrimination that I can say ever I ever experienced there. Yeah.

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That definitely sounds like something that was suddenly change their mind. Oh, no, no. We didn't mean that we had we

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had the cancer, we couldn't find it. And that was that. I actually have a picture. I made a poster out of that frame.

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That poster, and I'm going to send it to you as a picture that you could use if you feel that you want to.

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But it was and they'll come from my Gmail account because I can't seem to send things off my phone on my AOL account so

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that my AOL is the account I use time. I'll send that to you. Okay. Is that all that you have for the recording?

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Yeah. That's not it. There.