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Okay. Where's George? George was George mostly on two doors. No. No, he's not.

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It's just us conducted an interview. Oh, okay. Oh. He he's he's now part of he's he's gonna see

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this when it's done though. Okay? Right. You guys have both Professor, right? This graph? Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Have you you have a relationship with him? No.

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No. Other than, you know, he called me when when when Denise Hayman somebody would

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give me a call and it was him. So that's how I know him. I've never met him enough. Okay. I understand.

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Yeah. You know, didn't you know, Denise though? I don't know personally. I knew if I didn't know a brother,

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but he played football back as Nate Conway him football player. Okay. I didn't know him personally,

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but I knew of him. I never knew her evil. Okay. I understand. So why don't you

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give us a little background on you like, you know where you're from, the app. Okay. Yeah.

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Well, my name is William object junior. William Thomas would get my full name. My father was born in December 12th, 1943, So I got a birthday

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coming up next month. Early birthday to you. Would you say to that early birthday to you? Thanks, Steve.

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Yeah. But I'm born and raised in Wilmington, Delaware back and 43 born, as I said, on the east side of

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Wilmington back in the day, it was really nice back then on each side, you know, a lot of homeowners

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property was everybody was together properly and kept them up real well. And so my father, he was he was

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that this miniature small church. Mom wasn't domestic. She worked in other people's houses cleaning algae.

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I wasn't I don't have any brothers and sisters. Only child. I went to school public school number 20.

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My first grade went to public school number 20 up until the third grade and they open up a new element to school on

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the East side of Wilmington, Delaware School with the applet two years. Then I went from there to bank whopper Junior High School,

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all on the same neighborhood. To cut you off. At this point at this point, where schools were still segregated for you?

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Yes. Correct? Segregated. I started a school.

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Must have been in the first grade, 194950, something like that. In schools are segregated all the way up. Now, when I left bankrupt,

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I was like 195758 age just started to integrate the schools. And so I was going to go to Howard high school

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because that was the next school in my district. But I wanted to take business business. And so we suggested

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that if you want to start a business, you need to have a foreign language. And foreign language, you should take the recommended the Spanish,

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but they didn't offer Spanish at Howard High School. The opposite moments in high school. I went to warm it in high-school.

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So that's the first school that I went to. High school, which I went outside the neighbourhood. And then it was

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an integrated school or off up to Bangkok as well. Several dated in high school and he just passed the 1954 decision,

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you know, to integrate the schools. Go work in high school was the first school I went to that was integrated.

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A question. You said that the other school that she spoke with, I forget the name of it, but

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it didn't offer Spanish? Yes. Howard High School? Yes.

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So was that Was that something normal that certain schools might not offer as much as another high school as far as correct.

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Well well, back then, you know how in high school was the only black? I can say it was the only I

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think back then it was the only was just coming out was the only high school that blacks to go to back ten years ago.

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Blacks from From all the way down, stay down as far as small as you can go to commute up to Howard High School,

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stay at people's homes during the week just to go to high or high school for blacks to do something.

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But when I when I was scheduled to go though, is just starting to get integrated. But Howard the only offered certain foreign languages.

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So because it was maybe a black school, maybe didn't have the kind of variety that a white school would have, like Spanish and Latin all that,

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all the other foreign languages like Howard had Latin, maybe French, knots then maybe didn't have a status to general. No.

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So what I say, I went to moment your high-school, Mr. Grandison was my Spanish teacher. So I went to a woman in high school in 1958,

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I think it was, and graduated from there in 1961. When I graduated from Wilmington high, when he's ready to University of Delaware.

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1961. September of 1961. And University of Delaware was how did this agreed?

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At that point, the University of Delaware were segregated. They do not permit blacks. The room with Lightspeed.

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I was I was my first door with a sharp Hall. Sharp all still there like short haul. I think sharp Hall was my first my first room and I room with

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a gentleman by the name of KT, since passed away, but he was an engineering student. And so I could say the rooms are

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seconds to the dorms are segregated. Your core set of data, you can go to the airport. And I went there.

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I was banned for homecoming, just this past homecoming. I said, I've never been a gift for all he walked all over the place downstairs,

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upstairs just to say, I really do prefer that sharp sharp hole was for black students at the top? No, it was it was for mixed white students,

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stayed and stayed in sharp hall rooms. The roommates were black, so I had a black movement. Did not stay together. How was

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the how was like interactions as far as being in the in the dorm with white students? Far as I can remember,

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I had no problems with anybody having any issues with speculation. I mean, we were segregated, but I had no issues within individual whites.

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We were still talk conversation and so forth. But I've never had any issues with it. As I can remember, everybody was pretty much friendly.

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Die as being a freshman. Everybody was more concerned about going to college and getting, getting the work done more so than

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any kind of racial animosity, but I did not witness it at all that I can remember. But it's still centered.

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And, you know, there were attorneys were segregated. I think we had a student join

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one Jewish attorneys have not said, but the other attorneys respectively. I never joined up with Tony. I never had any real

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social life at the University. Reason why I went to the University is that I've applied to shareable HBCU, that then the overstate

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Howard more gain in universities. You might suggest that I've tried to University of Delaware. The main reason why I went to

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university because money gave me a $750 right to education. Gland is called a Delaware right to education, which is $750.

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And that's $750 paid my room and board tuition for one semester. I did another message that month ago. I didn't have to pay anything, like $750.

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Maybe it was maybe a semester or maybe it's too. But I didn't have to pay any room board tuition.

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The only thing I had to pay with my books. And I worked with the race tracks because the overhead go apart. Very widely swayed back then.

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You'd get my tuition, get my money for books and incidental costs that then I've got my parents didn't have anything.

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They were eating out a lot of money. So that's the only reason why I went because I think more green or howard one of them off of me alone.

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And I didn't hear anything from some of the other colleges. But the university can't do with a go right to education,

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which leaves you didn't have to pay it back. And that was mine. Primary reason for bone. But I did like my mother and father had

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taken me down to the canvas and then disclosed by the new ones. I liked the canvas in terms of buildings and it

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was a pretty campus and so forth. It's close by the home and everything worked out pretty good. The only thing is I can say my social life,

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because there's no social life for black folk back then on the campus. So I basically wanted to go or state or chain somewhere. Social life.

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The first two years I stayed on campus because they provide a room and board and stayed on campus in the last two years. I can mute it.

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And I just felt I just wanted to commute. I was wondering I was telling me that I was just at that whoever was going to be Meet google me

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on Google Meet and Google my name you can interview like gate with the lady by the name is Stephanie Rosen concerning my day

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scan it if you guys didn't know about the idea? Well, if you Google my name, I think it's still up there.

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I was telling you about my experience at the university. And I can say I went between 1961 and I graduated 65.

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And I was there, you know, you guys knew about 6060 were turbid. Back then was the civil rights issues, Dr. King, John Kennedy.

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And one of the things that I've mentioned in that interview was that in 1963? In November of 1963. And can put up a specific date on it.

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It was November the 21st, 1960 degree. That was a Thursday evening. I was getting kind of discouraged at the university, you know,

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I was I was the only one, a few black students. The work was getting a little hard. In terms of the college level work.

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I went to Boolean Hall on that morning. On Thursday, December November 21st, 1953. You see what I can transfer it to a junior college or something?

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I told my parents about it. And I said, No, Stephen was Thursday evening, I was talking about herself and I'm

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gonna go tomorrow morning, Friday morning, telling me that I maybe wanted just to kind of suspend

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my studies and go somewhere else and get myself together. So I went to Friday morning, I went to Boolean hall about

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1130 devices now knew that they were all out to lunch. He said come back after lunch. I went to my statistics

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class with sharp hall. We were in a statistics class and somebody burst in the room, said President John Kennedy

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was shot in the head. That's how we were all upset. Everything because we adjust. I just saw him in person.

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We need dedicated I95. When I95 was opened up, he came and dedicated that highway 14 days before November 20 seconds

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when you take a highway, he came back then they didn't have all the Secret Service, all the security back pain and you can

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just go up on I had a car and I drove down there and I went up on Elton row. That up against the fence to

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see him cut the ribbon, came off the plane or a helicopter. He came up with wave and everybody has no more than

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maybe maybe 1520 feet from him. He was all alive and so forth to me hearing days later. So I said I'm

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not going I'm like So when I heard that, going back to Holly and hall, filled out my paperwork, I said I'm just did it on a stick

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and split it out because he is so encouraging and young people back in terms of encouraging them to education

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in the region itself is only three years old. So somebody would say so I've never did. I never did read. So my third, fourth years,

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I waited it out. I got pretty good grades because then that man, the first two years of college were basically

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everybody had the same courses because we were all freshman, sophomore, so he took basically the same time of course, when your third,

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fourth years back then then you start to split out if you're going to take business, I was business majors.

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Taking other majors Show, I began to do a little better and my third, fourth years because I was going to be doing the kind of work that I do.

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I graduated. That was that was part of my life at the university that I never forget.

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Joe Biden, the current president. He and I were saying class together when I started as a freshman heroes. He was the freshman class president,

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I think so we'd met one another. We will always talk and so forth. And so we were in the same class, so I'm just hoping he does well as president,

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he's done a lot of pressure like I had in 1965, year book. In 1965. Class your book.

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Your book. Okay. Here Is here, here, here, I am here. Not to move it up a little bit.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the most damage?

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Joe Biden, pregnant. Right there. Now you see some signatures there. Yeah. Joe Joe is the present window was a senator.

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He saw him a year right there the first time I did, it was a September 8th back in 84, carpenters union hall up

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a new classes Delaware. And he signed it again. Right there. As vice president.

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Came to the UK, became to the chase and a woman to the side and vice president. Now I'm finally getting a sign-in.

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You can, as President is, as you would again do it as a center and a vice president when two bands by the managers,

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because the President is rough. But I would like to try get it done. But in any case, he was classmates back there.

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We had a great time learning stuff together. Like I say, he he branched off after after the first two years he branched off and he made you,

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he was in the arts and sciences to political scientists now, I can say my experience with the University back then also

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we had was a business major. So Robertson Hall down right below marsh library. That was the that was

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the center of the business activities. Since moved it up Canvas, but back then it was Robinson Hall. So that's a brief highlight

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in my experience down there. I still come down all the time. I come down for football games. Really. Were both on the football team.

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Yeah. You got a football game or a football team? I was looking for names and I was rooting for you.

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I'm Villanova link almost. Yeah. How was the I was there for the wind married name.

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Okay. And that was there. I didn't I was there for homecoming, but I didn't make it down because tied up on

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the UD black alumni had a big thing ending. I just listened to or from there. When Mary was a good game you and help you guys.

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You guys have worked since sophomore? Um, I just grabbed I'm graduating, right? Good, good, good. I'm a junior.

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I still got a couple of years left. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I wish you success hanging in length because this is the only you only get

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one shot at getting a college degree and that's it. Yeah. Speaking of that, were you the

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first in your family to go to college? Yes. I was I was like I say, I didn't have any brothers or sisters. My mother, my father.

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He graduated from high school and not a mother. Did go well, my mother I should say my mother went well, she didn't graduated.

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He asked the question. She she went maybe a semester at booing who speak. But she never graduated.

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So I guess I'm the first one to graduate. I look at some of my cousins. My first cousin. I don't know if any of them

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that I know of residue. I may have been even in the extended family back then. One of the first ones to be activated.

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So when you were choosing college, I know that you said that obviously the scholarship played a big role. Was there anything else that

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really made you kind of pick Delaware over some of the HBCUs you had? Not really that would bet money that way at all.

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And I was saying whichever school will offer some kind of scholarship or something, a grant or something,

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because that's where I would go and because they did it was I could have drawn the morning if

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they had come through with something different from University of Delaware came to serve. So like I say,

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I did like the campus because first of all, was closed with the home campus. Back then. You lose the day every time you

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go down there doing something new. But the main issue was for money. I didn't have any money back in the 60s. I mean, it seems that cheap like of gas.

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Like you're just paying maybe 18 $0.20 a gallon. That Dan and I had a 554. When I would stand on campus,

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I was I didn't have a car but didn't and that a car after after my third fourth dx and I'm going to mute the car.

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I didn't move better to say. But I would take a lot of the students from Wilmington, there were about four or five,

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maybe six African-American students who have lived on the East side. Because I was the only one I had a car or 554.

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I would pick them all up in the morning and take them down because that so I would get up in the morning pickup.

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Like I say, I have a car for six people in back then. You didn't have had the legacy that you haven't had a base three

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upfront that they can really down curt with highway the first part of it. Then they opened up by 95 back in 60.

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But President Kennedy came to T3 6465. We started using curve with hot I mean, I95 coming down to $0.15 toll from Wilmington.

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Newer. Say the gas is cheap gases, gases like 30, $0.2530 a gallon or something. But hi, I'm doing it once I got I

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gradually because after I graduated I had to go back back then. They had ROTC that was required for all all male students on

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the university had to take ROTC for the first to use. Your rocks is trained. Military action.

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Upon Frazier feeling or rephrase your field is up upon main campus. Bio college. Is there behind the logo.

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Yeah. I think it's behind the newer old colleges. College upon mainstream. Old college.

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You're all kinds of all mainstream. Well, later on inside the back, is Frazier field still there? I think that's

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what I think I know what you're talking about year as we do our military training up there, we used to have to dress

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up in our military outfit. All males are required to do it. The first two years, we marched down, you have crazy and watch down and Main Green

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March because we were because they were head-to-head a draft back then. When I graduated in 1965,

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I enjoyed the Vietnam War was kicking up. We knew it was common in March of 65 when I was a senior, but ready to graduate in June.

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And I said I'm going to just during the military because I normally be doing in March of 65. I joined the Army National Guard.

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And then in June 65, President Johnson declared war in Vietnam. The whole after that happened, everybody was rushing, getting somewhere.

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No rush to get into the garage or something. But the extended down because you've got to digest, made it three months then

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before they ship that then nasa, when I graduated 65, I had to go take my military train, my basic training at Fort Knox, Kentucky.

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Then I spent the rest five is five years in surgeon going to reserve those for which the obligation they gave you.

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Back then, you know, all this stuff. You've talked about the military, you know how he's saying all we appreciate your service.

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Thank you for your service cost back then and Vietnam War, they, they weren't saying that kind of stuff. They were calling us everything

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but it Charlie god, because they Lot of people felt that he shouldn't have been over there and they were cursing and

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military and saying This next seven years later, it's different. We serve a lot of guys didn't make it back. I didn't go over I didn't go overseas.

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I just stay stateside. But we were back what we call a backup for you. We're going to go to

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a regular honor that unique moved out when a receipt we would go in back a month and run that. But that never happened. But we did I did the

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call up when they had the riots, the woman 68 after Dr. King was assassinated. Woman, Yeah, let me add some some skirmishes and

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some burning and looting. So the National Guard got called up. We were part of that. I was glad I didn't have to shoot anybody know.

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And people I know. You had the patrols. Know. How difficult was it being there? I mean, I'm sure as an African American,

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you will probably go into your own emotions about the situation. Yeah, how difficult was it for you to be there and seal?

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It was very difficult. Very difficult. I remember Easter Sunday morning. Easter Sunday morning in 1960,

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with regard to patrolling the streets up and down with bayonets and rifles. To join this keeps the woman

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seen that going on. You know, it's very disturbing and hope nobody would mean something that would trigger them to do some shooting.

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But hold your course. Don't provoke anybody. Hopefully this will be your butt. For some reason I've recovered back then.

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Governor Terry, I think his name was regard state and woman were the longest time than any other any other city in America.

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They stayed in over year. We involve them more in Detroit where they had much, much more disturbances.

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They're gorgeous out. But for some reason the government wanted to keep the guards in Wilmington for

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over a year and that's what happens. Eventually left that it was it was an emotional time. We want anybody to get hurt.

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That's how it went down. You know, that back in the day, you know, they had, they would have what they call freedom

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concert to help raise money for the civil rights organization. So in March 64, in the way they had

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a big freedom cost or in the old convention hall up until roughly. I don't know if you remember where they used to be,

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where the big torn down now, but they've got a lot of medical buildings there. But they had the head big concert

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where all the salt, James Brown. Who else was Dave Brown, Sam Cooke. Remember Sam Cooke or not? And a whole bunch of other Solon

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attain his cane to raise money to help pay for the civil rights movement in Georgia woods? I don't I've never heard of him or not.

00:30:42.140 - 00:30:50.330

He was a big DJs doing nothing. So it was about 30 thousand people there. Me and my buddy, the best name, a width and we went to

00:30:50.330 - 00:30:58.900

see we went up there that night. So they made a special Nauvoo. They said that we got a special Nelson, Dr. Martens, Dr. King,

00:30:58.900 - 00:31:05.320

Dr. Martin Luther King, or be here in a few minutes. And they help give us some words of encouragement.

00:31:05.320 - 00:31:13.590

So near a frame, we're up in the balcony. So we said that we knew exactly if he was going to come there,

00:31:13.590 - 00:31:19.390

we know exactly where you would be because we knew where all the cars that have come in to let the entertainers out.

00:31:19.390 - 00:31:30.310

So we've got our seats ran downstairs and we got by the dual, we notice cars come in distance, we thought comes to black limousines coming

00:31:30.310 - 00:31:43.900

up in the part of the convention center. Then the doors open out walks. Ralph Abernathy, Jesse Jackson, didn't. Dr. King came out.

00:31:43.900 - 00:31:52.720

So Dr. King, where he came out, he came on up, the saints, doesn't lose. Don't come up with your right. There we go.

00:31:52.720 - 00:32:04.070

We can use and we came in. First of all, items stored in what I thought he was Kenyan. Every time something on TV he

00:32:04.070 - 00:32:15.450

didn't talk about 57, started gotten back suit on. And a friend gave me was rolling. He shook his hand.

00:32:15.450 - 00:32:22.640

I shook his hand. He said Welcome. Welcome, Dr. King. Benjamin Lincoln voice they say How you doing?

00:32:22.640 - 00:32:31.670

Doing okay. This guy in here, we get ready to go to the stage. I think you guys got

00:32:31.670 - 00:32:43.640

to get back to your seats. Is it okay that became so about 30 seconds up to Dr. Kim went up on stage and talk. But those are the kinds of

00:32:43.640 - 00:32:55.910

things that were going on back in the sixties. Lot of fun, so forth, like that. So I'm going back

00:32:55.910 - 00:33:04.550

to your experiences with UD, like do you have any you recall any of, you know, obviously, you said you didn't have much of a social life.

00:33:04.550 - 00:33:11.070

Obviously, African American students on campus, were there anything that you guys kinda like for yourselves or did together?

00:33:11.070 - 00:33:17.930

Oh, yes. They're in the room. We know we only have one Students Center that back then that was

00:33:17.930 - 00:33:26.060

the pertinent student-centered that scan on Kennedy Street. The only students that I had back then. So we had to go

00:33:26.060 - 00:33:33.590

to their breakfast, lunch, and dinner. So we had a couple there were only a handful of others on campus and a handful of black.

00:33:33.590 - 00:33:44.890

So we would all get together, walked down together in the evenings to have our dinner. We would socialize that way.

00:33:44.890 - 00:33:52.640

I had another friend named John Fisher. He he was he was he was a commuter when I was still on my person second year.

00:33:52.640 - 00:34:04.750

So he had a 594 or 505059 for academia. So he would come on campus and he'd come into our room and I said, John, let me let me drive the car.

00:34:04.750 - 00:34:14.960

Man, you let me drive this car. So I would go I would when I used to drive his car across the tracks and he

00:34:14.960 - 00:34:22.600

crossed the airport and that was the black community back years ago. They didn't have all the neighbors he hadn't built back there back then.

00:34:22.600 - 00:34:29.580

It was off. Once you cross those tracks, it was all the black community, all the churches, residences, and everything.

00:34:29.580 - 00:34:37.940

I had a young lady, she was over there. I see her drive this car when they go through an air rather than homes have two of them,

00:34:37.940 - 00:34:50.210

Baptist church, I go to church on Sunday. Another lady named know that she's live, want to speech back there and suddenly see we see we have hi,

00:34:50.210 - 00:34:59.450

mom would have Sunday dinner, so she writers all over sitting around a table so they didn't have borne out in the bowling alley downward

00:34:59.450 - 00:35:11.120

in Newark shopping centers. Bowling alley behind that. Used to go to the bowling alley bowl and everything and they didn't.

00:35:11.120 - 00:35:22.550

They had a couple of events either when the basketball teams pay will go together. So with the students on campus, which is a handful of blacks plus summers

00:35:22.550 - 00:35:37.500

to some of the locals. Across the tracks, we would kinda mingled, have some social right there. Say the major dances and all that.

00:35:38.620 - 00:35:46.220

We may have been it may have been open to it, but we just didn't feel comfortable. I guess. I don't know if it's really open doors and not a lot of

00:35:46.220 - 00:35:58.530

attorneys will not open and view port was not opened. So, you know, that's how it was. We were going to do anything in New York

00:35:59.010 - 00:36:13.610

across those crosses to be across the tracks. Because I can say years ago. Once you cross this track that is predominantly black,

00:36:13.610 - 00:36:20.530

they hadn't, they head up the else homeless across the tracks. The churches, the black churches were crossed the chats there.

00:36:20.530 - 00:36:30.370

The bowling alley was opened. I remember that the bowling alley was opened on local its own special Bayesian, not like other woman Tim.

00:36:30.370 - 00:36:37.420

And 60s when in segregated, you know, they had they had the bowling alley or the skating rings were opened,

00:36:37.420 - 00:36:49.410

covered only on Tuesday nights, that kind of stuff, crazy, nothing. So were you guys as far as like, you know, obviously you're talking about

00:36:49.410 - 00:36:57.600

your experiences on campus. I know you said that in the door and we really didn't experience too much, but like do you have any as far as on-campus,

00:36:57.600 - 00:37:02.640

you are somebody that you may have known that dealt with any types of specific racism towards him?

00:37:02.640 - 00:37:15.390

I can't remember it by doing, you know, I see my first roommate was Kenny take. He never told me about

00:37:15.390 - 00:37:23.820

anything that he had any issues with because everybody was concerned about getting their work done cause it's tough. We didn't want it, you know, we entered

00:37:23.820 - 00:37:33.480

type of racial flare-ups. Guess the white stroke. Just like we did when you got to get our work done by hitting

00:37:33.480 - 00:37:44.390

the books because it is tough. So my first roommate with Kenny, You never mentioned anything with seconds. After I let Kennedy Kennedy.

00:37:44.390 - 00:37:55.630

I went the harder and harder holiday party Johnson was my roommate. You ever been in a heartbeat hall, that's the oldest dorm on campus.

00:37:55.630 - 00:38:04.700

Go back with you. Build it. So it's nice way of structure because you gotta,

00:38:04.700 - 00:38:12.980

you guys say two people, two people to the room, but it's a great big room. This room we have the dice

00:38:12.980 - 00:38:19.890

that is own bedroom done as a big open area. Still. Never had any issues with hardly never told me.

00:38:19.890 - 00:38:33.860

He was when he looked at the yearbook. Harvey Harvey was a class a, class C, but still, he was one of the sudden I'm

00:38:33.860 - 00:38:50.540

seeing he never had any issue then after Harvey in his way. And then they had to find me a room because I was still on campus

00:38:50.540 - 00:39:00.520

for those first two years, so they didn't book dealt with. I was able to I went over to Cyprus, cross, cross the green,

00:39:00.520 - 00:39:08.330

I think a cipher cross the green. And because I was African American student rights and there were no,

00:39:08.330 - 00:39:16.870

there were no black people who were living on campus that much. They put me in a single room, that you get a single room.

00:39:16.870 - 00:39:26.230

They put me in a single room, always favored appointed second floor. And then from there I just went on and started to meet my third, fourth years.

00:39:26.230 - 00:39:41.520

But probably dance and I can say my room. He was I already had two roommates. That was can you take Harvey Harvey Johnson? I don't have any pictures of Kenny.

00:39:41.520 - 00:39:51.660

Let's look at these shoes. I can see something one time. But again, none of those guys told me that they had any issues

00:39:51.660 - 00:40:00.870

with any of your rights, freedom. There was no kind of racial animosity. There was there was another fellow people who are

00:40:00.870 - 00:40:12.980

commuting like Joanna json since passed away. He told me never had a problem with anything. Maria Robinson. She was she never had a problem when really,

00:40:12.980 - 00:40:24.040

you know, nobody knows Shen anything. I think one thing about the University, and I could say it was, even though it was segregated,

00:40:24.790 - 00:40:36.680

the white vote, we were pretty decent in terms of cheating us. Did I could see that also the case on Save Main Street

00:40:36.680 - 00:40:45.200

and stores and things like that. And that's a good point. Good point. I didn't go to many of the storage on Main Street.

00:40:45.200 - 00:40:52.340

They had a movie house that used to be late behind harder hall. I don't know if you guys remember the movie out,

00:40:52.340 - 00:41:02.360

if he's ever movie house right there. I think that was open. But as far as the stores, the stores, they had stores but I

00:41:02.360 - 00:41:11.900

didn't I didn't go into much because I didn't have a lot of money if I just stay on campus. But that's a good point. I don't either.

00:41:11.900 - 00:41:23.070

I never heard of anything that they had an issue with, but I never had any issue with it. Stores on coaching men.

00:41:23.070 - 00:41:34.440

She wasn't good enough, like it is now. I mean, it was that you had a handful of two or fewer Nan, but they really do a lot with now,

00:41:34.440 - 00:41:42.030

what do you, what do you what do you think that may have really been the biggest issue as far as like just trying to get

00:41:42.030 - 00:41:53.650

comfortable as far as being a black student on campus. Well, I think for me because up until that time,

00:41:53.650 - 00:42:06.780

well, up until high school, I was all always in a segregated situation. So my big adjustment had to come in. In high school, I'd say high school.

00:42:06.780 - 00:42:14.790

We had a whole lot more blacks going to want it too high. When I went to college. Lacks going to count me.

00:42:14.790 - 00:42:23.750

So I did have the high school. That was a big adjustment, but we had a number of blacks going to want nicely as well.

00:42:23.750 - 00:42:34.190

So there was some support then when I went to college. This had a handful know more. You can count them on your hand.

00:42:34.190 - 00:42:43.660

You stay on campus. There'll be adjustments and just trying to get used to the culture of the life of the university.

00:42:43.660 - 00:42:49.670

First of all, trying to get the work done and then getting, trying to get used to the culture and our lives

00:42:49.670 - 00:43:01.140

were dominating almost white institution, almost completely white institution, and just living away from home. That's always a problem.

00:43:01.140 - 00:43:09.970

Even though I was close to Wilmington, I can get up there, Chris It seems like sometimes you were hundreds of miles away,

00:43:09.970 - 00:43:20.520

50 miles, you know, getting adjusted to that. And on top of that being a black screen, the only black screen we

00:43:20.520 - 00:43:31.980

know that you could see around, I mean, declared all, especially in doing a junior or senior year, I was the only black in

00:43:31.980 - 00:43:39.570

the class that was taking business courses. I was the first I was the first African American to graduate from the School of

00:43:39.570 - 00:43:47.960

Business down in an article, to read an article that was the first African-American to graduate school of business.

00:43:47.960 - 00:43:58.710

And I remember, I remember one of the students going black woman who said once you got to meet him and I said I don't want to meet

00:43:58.710 - 00:44:10.530

him because he was the education. He's a businessman. Where were you were you going to get a job and Blackmon. That's all we all back then all,

00:44:10.530 - 00:44:18.240

all it was known that's going into education, teaching. We're going to the post office or something like that.

00:44:18.240 - 00:44:26.280

But going into business, working in an office. I always had wanted to work in an office. I don't know if for some reason I

00:44:26.280 - 00:44:32.190

live we live in our balance sheet and you started working with him, corner gentlemen and I can look up

00:44:32.190 - 00:44:40.890

town and see these office buildings. I used to walk up there and people working all in white shirts and ties and look good Negroes,

00:44:40.890 - 00:44:46.350

my pop and all the rest of them. Even though the preacher, he still had to work a side job or they couldn't

00:44:46.350 - 00:44:54.940

make me make a lot of money. But most of them are blue collar or laborers and so forth. So you see a black man working in the office.

00:44:57.080 - 00:45:12.790

Not clean the office to work, but it's something to look at the mean. Did you ever have any black professors here? No. No, no Black professors.

00:45:12.790 - 00:45:23.310

There was no Black Student Union. No Black professors. Whose minds? I'll put it in, it's in

00:45:23.310 - 00:45:35.640

that article to read at Google at all. I can't even is a good guy though he steered me lipid. No Black professors.

00:45:35.640 - 00:45:45.350

Not even Asia. Not even Asia or any other thing that I've been thinking. Did you have any as far as being on campus,

00:45:45.350 - 00:45:52.140

whether it'd be a professor or other students, did you have any types of relationships with any of the white students

00:45:52.140 - 00:46:05.340

or professors on campus? Yeah, my my, my my advisor, Professor Robert linear, relationship with him because he

00:46:05.340 - 00:46:13.440

might provide adviser that they had a bunch of methane kind of guide you as to what courses you should be taking in Korea.

00:46:13.440 - 00:46:19.740

So he, he was, he was he was a relationship with him. I have a relationship with some lights through a lot of

00:46:19.740 - 00:46:33.630

whites being in my business class, especially when I stopped that in my advanced passes through the maze. But they were very friendly,

00:46:33.630 - 00:46:47.050

very weak because you're all set. It wasn't a big issue of raising them. No. I was just on his last name. It's just a question of us getting through.

00:46:47.050 - 00:47:00.510

We have to do PCA, we had to do up papers. We were concerned with just getting getting anything college in four years that nobody was five or six years ago,

00:47:00.510 - 00:47:13.500

everybody went for most of the time. Were you involved in any, like, out-of-school activities? I was that I was in

00:47:13.500 - 00:47:28.260

Sams who lose their cause. It was some kind of a business club I was kind of part of but I didn't I wasn't

00:47:28.260 - 00:47:44.310

a real heavy participating and I was a member in there and I went to I was in nano anything that was trying to get through.

00:47:44.310 - 00:48:00.160

I mean, it's due what, a 2.5 average. That was the middle. See that then? I was just painfully drawn. Then after I graduated

00:48:00.160 - 00:48:06.780

witness server to that six months to get my act of training. And then I came back and got him with DuPont company.

00:48:06.780 - 00:48:19.050

That's why was for a moment, my career at the University? Say mostly was for me at the university that didn't work done.

00:48:19.050 - 00:48:25.520

You didn't? I didn't want to draw I didn't want to drop out at the site after the assassination

00:48:25.520 - 00:48:39.510

of President Kennedy. Carriage me to continue on this list to use. I wanted to at least get out of their work. That's one thing we

00:48:39.510 - 00:48:53.070

speak about a live class is how Here we are, 2021 going on 2022. And the black student percentage really has not, has not moved.

00:48:53.070 - 00:48:59.730

So numbers remove the absolute numbers of move here, but the percentage of students hasn't moved that much.

00:48:59.730 - 00:49:08.200

So one, how do you feel about them too? How do you think that can be changed or how can, how can, what can be done to make

00:49:08.200 - 00:49:15.960

more African American students appeal to University of Delaware, maybe more comfortable and maybe not even just Delaware,

00:49:15.960 - 00:49:28.510

but then you PWR that is like Delaware. Yeah, yeah. Bwi. With that. Predominantly white institutions. Okay.

00:49:29.390 - 00:49:43.180

With that. But good question. That gene, first of all, University of Delaware is an excellent school pound for pound.

00:49:43.180 - 00:49:53.100

It's just advanced up there with the best done in terms of education, in terms of the fascinating certain stimulus shelf courses, so forth.

00:49:53.100 - 00:50:04.950

So that's number one. Now, in high school, when they recruit, they leave, the university, needs to get

00:50:04.950 - 00:50:18.540

into predominantly black institutions. Some kind of a way to promote what they had to offer. In the city. Wanted to write, for example,

00:50:18.540 - 00:50:25.520

in the city a woman feeling we're having an issue with recruiting black police officers in a predominantly Black Sea.

00:50:25.520 - 00:50:34.440

You've got a predominant black city was mostly white. Police officer said that they need to do is beginning

00:50:34.440 - 00:50:44.820

to the black culture. Black churches named it gets, get where the backbone are to promote your, your message so that you can

00:50:44.820 - 00:50:57.020

attract of those students. Excuse me, those police officers, universities to do the same thing. You know, goats, average goes some way,

00:50:57.020 - 00:51:05.180

have some things in the black churches. Surprise attorneys. Promoting the idea that the universe should go where

00:51:05.180 - 00:51:14.630

as a quality education, professors, the teachers, curriculum accredited across the board on everything, pretty much.

00:51:14.630 - 00:51:22.910

So they need to do that. But you kind of fighting an uphill battle a lot of cases because the percentage is not

00:51:22.910 - 00:51:31.110

inclusive because they're increasingly looked, attracting other students of color now, Asians,

00:51:31.110 - 00:51:41.840

people of color or something like that. So they've got the numbers as of color, but they don't have the percentages as African American or black color.

00:51:41.840 - 00:51:52.350

Just so, so as long as that's happening, it's not a bit tough. But again, I would be doing,

00:51:52.350 - 00:52:05.100

they started pretty much tried to get, get into those places were black folk art and promote the idea. And I think they're starting to do that.

00:52:05.100 - 00:52:17.280

We had a member of an abnormal Bethel AME Church when we had a he had a young lady who has since moved on, but she was a diversity leadership position

00:52:17.280 - 00:52:27.390

in universities in she was doing that stack getting, getting the university to get his message to the Black folk in terms of where they are,

00:52:27.390 - 00:52:42.420

in terms of promoting what university has to offer. And it's still relatively cheap down there. In terms of tuition, I know it's going up,

00:52:42.420 - 00:52:50.520

but it mean when you compare it to some other institution, same size, it's still relatively good boss? No.

00:52:50.520 - 00:52:59.550

But again, That's an interesting question because even though you've got the numbers more and more people numerically or they are

00:52:59.550 - 00:53:08.990

more and more black people numerically satisfies this has a moon, I think it's because, like I say, they got a tremendous color population

00:53:08.990 - 00:53:24.480

of people of color who are not black, or maybe Asian, Filipino, whatever. And they're detuning them very heavily to they're

00:53:24.480 - 00:53:33.720

coming because they know it's a good school. And so the black population continues. It's got a history of the University of Delaware versus

00:53:33.720 - 00:53:40.910

Delaware State and all this kind of stuff where university at one time was not the stuff that Blackboard

00:53:40.910 - 00:53:52.650

means that perception still exists. But again, the only way you can continue to go out to the neighborhoods and can be rubbish

00:53:52.650 - 00:54:04.320

in which you have to offer, you know, like we just had all those quarterly. I'm back in August

00:54:04.320 - 00:54:13.200

that you had a table out there advertising product universe. You have to offer HBCU week, I guess you've heard about data here,

00:54:13.200 - 00:54:22.380

we'll meet Christopher. She's doing an excellent job promoting that was giving us the HBCUs. Maybe the university needs to do

00:54:22.380 - 00:54:34.540

something on that line where they can have its own kind of emotion weeks, they'd come somewhere and just promote the list to Delaware.

00:54:35.300 - 00:54:54.140

Because it's right here and right here. I can say I think for pan is just as good as any other DWI is you call him? Yeah. But like I say,

00:54:54.140 - 00:55:04.740

every time I go down here, boy, you'd build up some Star Campus. And you can't, you can't find it or not. When I was commuting down here,

00:55:04.740 - 00:55:14.360

I can write down lots of E5 forever plugging in. Now, you can't do it? No. Not at all.

00:55:14.360 - 00:55:26.140

And even if you could get a ticket, I mean, you know, that's the way it is. It's going up. I'm hoping and praying that

00:55:26.140 - 00:55:38.910

the university does though. It seems like the president assigning. He seems to be making an effort to try to track quality people.

00:55:38.910 - 00:55:51.480

Also trying to attract people African-American American. Because at the same they can play games with this issue of color

00:55:51.480 - 00:56:03.870

and minorities because lot of people were claiming minority day. It didn't claim years ago when I was gone. Basically back then when he called them

00:56:03.870 - 00:56:18.080

back in the 60s. This is Blackboard. Now that Asians, Filipinos, and everybody else who's the product, nothing wrong with it.

00:56:18.080 - 00:56:26.090

I mean, everybody deserves a good education no matter what. But you hope that it's fair across the board that everybody

00:56:26.090 - 00:56:36.310

has an equal opportunity to succeed or fail. Just give me opportunity. You don't give me a handout. This is giving opportunity.

00:56:36.310 - 00:56:49.210

Make it fair, then maybe compete on my own. Exactly. Were you fellows from I'm from New Jersey. I'm clear.

00:56:49.210 - 00:56:55.970

Okay. I'm from Richmond, Virginia, Michigan. Okay. I know they took on and statutes down in

00:56:55.970 - 00:57:04.250

Richmond off the mean squared error. I used to drive past those statues all the time when I went home

00:57:04.250 - 00:57:11.340

and then none of them are there. So much so much different? The ashes doing that, right? Yeah. Yeah.

00:57:11.340 - 00:57:20.420

Yeah. Yeah. She was born in Michigan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But do you guys and you guys know hanging it,

00:57:20.420 - 00:57:29.600

don't get discouraged from a gene. You sit here, you're almost out, right? This is my last class. Last class, let alone yeah.

00:57:29.600 - 00:57:38.640

This is my this is the last class that I need you up when when you walk in May, I couldn't honestly walk last May. I didn't.

00:57:38.640 - 00:57:45.630

But I will walk. I mean, I'm I'm I'm a trainer for the NFL next two months. Oh, good.

00:57:45.630 - 00:57:55.370

Yeah. Well, you got drafted. I'm hoping to carefully manage hope that me. Appreciate it.

00:57:55.370 - 00:58:04.420

Yes, I'm going to if if I'm around, I'll probably walk this May or June whenever the graduation is. But meanwhile,

00:58:04.420 - 00:58:12.820

Jean, what was your last name? Coleman. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He didn't say no, like somebody. I thought it was George Coleman.

00:58:13.970 - 00:58:19.640

Yeah. Two comments. No. It's just me. Yeah.

00:58:19.640 - 00:58:26.410

I thought I posted my son, George culminates Jeanne Calment. Got a fellow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:26.410 - 00:58:32.220

So you're saying that because he said poking you guys are on team? Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:32.220 - 00:58:46.600

Wishing she says Thank you. Thank you. You know, one of the things with professional sports, looking at the ability to make

00:58:46.600 - 00:58:52.920

sure you get in there and you get the right people behind you and managers and everything. Once you start making

00:58:52.920 - 00:59:01.880

the money and everything, I know a lot of guys didn't mess up. You know, try to get yourself to the place where you've got

00:59:01.880 - 00:59:10.020

some good advice in terms of management of your resources and so forth. So you have something to fall back on when we need come out?

00:59:10.020 - 00:59:20.600

Yes, sir. Absolutely. I think you said you guys you're playing defense,

00:59:20.600 - 00:59:34.050

right? Euro defensive lineman. Were both were both. Why received your Wiley sheet is okay. Yeah. Okay. So you want to you know,

00:59:34.050 - 00:59:45.420

I remember when they had the football game back in 1963. The stadium was like in the day, it was everything.

00:59:45.420 - 00:59:52.190

And we were, we were almost gone to the championship. I think it's 63 then President Kennedy was assassinated.

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And so they stay suspended. The decimal sees something but do you remember Mike, you ever heard of Mike Brown, John Wallis?

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Mike Mike Brown, sounds familiar? Yeah, Mike Brown was a hat back on your team after American. And he played it in

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John while it's played, he was running back. Those were the two black star, remember the plague. They were prominent that can secrete.

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Now, you know, it's a great opportunity, a city that it lives in Iraq or I don't know what they're gonna do it talking about the cases. Killer bat.

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Yeah, I saw that. All that but the pay him a whole lot of money. Yeah. Come back now.

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My whole lot. But if you make it, you know, you're not going to do the same thing too, and that's the hope.

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But right now I'm just trying to finish school do for saying you said you're what? You're I'm a junior. I'm junior.

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Right behind you, right behind me. Yeah. Make sure you have something so that when you retire,

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you've got some funds to do something else in terms of what you want to meet, what to do. So get some good advice.

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Because there are so many, so many of our players, you know, after they finished, they did burn out and it'll have enough.

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You'd have to show that I'm not, Am I getting smarter now to try to set someone shy guys, stuff like that.

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I just say I'm if I look back on the experience, look back over my days. I don't regret I

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don't regret going to the university even though I went for money because that was the only place that was offering the money back then.

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My mom and pop in and nothing. They said sign if you get a scholarship, will try to do what we can. Police would be making

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work to $3 thousand a year back then. That wasn't much to get it to college. Even though I was only child is still didn't have enough.

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Like I say, I worked at the racetrack back then, you know, when you worked at the race tracks, they had they had yellow part,

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you know about della plot. They had a place called Brand new line, S-wave and sulfates, the soft, these are the ones that they have.

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The, you have a go-kart behind and then sit back and think like that. Yeah. Daniel ion-list thoroughbreds,

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work at branding, work at DOE or product during the day. The only thing they were given college deans back then

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was job to clean up and in bathrooms. I worked in the bathroom, clean up the bathroom. At night. I would go over to

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sweep the floor with the granule and pluck where they went at night. So that those two jobs basically gotten enough money to get

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my books because books are expensive back then. Everything was no paper back then, not like digital now.

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So books and some spending money. Let's say if I look back over it, I mean, I'm glad I still wanted to university even though it was said that

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they had some emotional issues with it. And when I say I'm going to construct a new, I'm still wet, I won't look back and you see now see that.

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That's so much, even though the percentage of they should be least the numbers alone in the numbers growing.

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That's, that's a, that's a good, that's a good encouragement for this. There are weight to the Black Alumni Association

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was the 40th anniversary. We had a nice turnout. I'm just praying that then they continue to keep those numbers

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up so they can raise the percentage. Now if you look at the basketball team, if he broke into the advertisement for the basketball team,

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he picked up a black school. They show a black rather the blood system. And I went to, I went to the we call it the who the

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Hoop hoop they handed out a couple of weeks. I think. So. So so they had

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a good are you talking about percentages there, the decisions that have increased? I don't know about

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the football football poppy. Poppy increased a little bit, but basketball team is very diverse. Yeah.

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I see that football is. But do you think that you think that basketball team jean, more diverse? Yeah, absolutely.

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White keys and Becky? Yeah. Best kind of thing they need to do with the academics.

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Exactly. The academics named it. But the big issue we are happening, delaware is the fact that they're

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not just schools in Washington, you know, are bustling that sometimes say is that this deep segregation issue that's been telling us for years,

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the Black students are getting the short end of the night graduating like it should be right up here, Wilmington and new castle county.

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So It's kinda tougher than you get prepared for the rigors of a college education. And they get down with schools

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like the University of nowhere. So those kind of issues, words, it's tough to get admitted. Now, my daughter, she graduated

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from a university in nice. My youngest daughter in 1997. He did her son be applied to the museum itself.

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But he he he wants to go They got some kind of program where you can go together, tech burst and then company university.

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You don't have to pay anything. I think I've figured out something in any case. I think when you go into college is rigorous

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and I know it's evil demon for you guys is the more resistant it was for me. Because the world is just changing. The knowledge basis is changing.

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So you really got to be prepared when you hit school. If you don't want it to be not preparing in this flunked out.

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We want to be able to be able to meet the rigorous. Of course. It's tough here in the City of Wilmington.

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And I imagine it's all over the place where the black stools and night different kind of education they need to be getting today when we hit college,

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they can they can handle him. So that's another reason why maybe the percentages are not like the shooting. Of course, you know, in

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my wife and I were able to travel to China. And that's all they drove. Education, education, education may come into

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the schools they're prepared. So we researchers need to be there for Augustine to learn this as well.

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And then it usually one or two midnight, getting a big bust all over the place and just start writing. Because someone's got to be worked on.

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No. No. Hoping implementing things could change stuff to this corner. Hi, how's the virus?

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Treat you guys down? Good. Yeah, you out with this new this new Oregon when it's coming out.

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They're still trying to figure it out with excellent to be. But I know you maybe tiny come on in university and now you've got

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to fill out this form. Yeah. I'm slowly coming down here for Biden is then going to fill out this form.

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I would stand out when they had openly she was the founder of Juneteenth, The Wolf Hall until we hit the flux form. That's probably like a little life.

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Well, I'm hoping you guys, I hope you guys pass the course. Comes with an a. I hope this helps a lot.

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Thank you. Thank you for being on this call. Yeah, no problem. So what were they going through in their gene and they, they going to,

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they're going to, they're going to put this in a library. You think. We're gonna give it to

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a professor and I'm sure he's going to keep it inputted in a library. The library. Okay. I think like like like

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something in the mail from us for like a release. So yeah, yeah. You told me about that and then they

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write library so that they can use it. Yeah. So just expect that from us. I might email you again about that or the professor will.

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Yes. And all that. All that says, like all that says, is that good?

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I'm giving them permission to play this publicly to anybody who wants to see it. Yes. Yes.

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Yeah. I guess that's the big issue with I mean, playing it publicly. I'm hoping somebody can learn from it. Absolutely. We did. Yeah, we did.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, they more questions. I'm free. I think I'm good day. I hope you didn't get a passing grade.

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Line, college, a walk the planet. You get success in the league. And keep your eyes open. Don't get, don't get fooled by any of you,

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don't get good advice behind you. They focused on what he's doing. In the NFL, everything's performance. Manganese mean all them looking at is

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the ability to perform and play through a high level. 80 thousand people. It's unreal, but nationally

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and in professional sport, but it's a business to get exactly what vendors than it is. Anything else. I'm now a 100%.

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But let's stay focused. Stay focused. Yes, sir. So nice to meet you guys. I felt that zooms more convenient

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because you didn't have been running around and all that stuff. Now, I can say when they when they form comes,

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you know, I'll see you do have to do send it back to you. Yeah. Yeah.