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Okay. You want me to what? Well, this is the follow-up interview. I'm David Wilson in your on George record. I worked at the Christ so NEW our plant since

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1971 until four years ago when I retired with 45 years. I previously worked nine years in Los Angeles when they close it down,

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I transfer to Delaware and almost got 45 years. I had 44 years, eight months. So so you said that you

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move from the plan California, correct? Yes. I was there nine years. And you left because

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it was getting shut down. They shut the facility down there. Yes. It back I don't think there's

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an assembly plant in California and more for you to have a huge plant. They're double decker plant and shovel. They also tend to play it.

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They had one van eyes and they have one down the street from us. Okay. And just to reiterate again, you you're a fan of the union.

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We read that. Oh, yes. I heard that first short. I don't believe I don't believe this country already auto industry could ever

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survive without unions because of the, the power, the power to management AS when I worked in LA that are huge out there was weak.

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I thought it was I'm hitting you inhibit it was weak. And hay maze visit ship. They said how much you know,

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that the committee may have walk out one day. They used to go to a meeting every Wednesday and they walk out one way Z without permission because they

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used to go for their meetings that the union all on Wednesdays every, every week, and an egg, a fire for three months.

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And shop steward took over their job with the they were powerful committee made an implant, were fired for three months,

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and they got back with the three points without wages. Okay. And you also mentioned

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the walk out in California too. When I first went to the first week I worked there. That they were going straight.

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I mean, every year or every three years we would have negotiations for our contract, you know, to get wage increases or

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health benefits or days off or anything. And I was told, I was told, Hey, there's this, the top three key mounts that George,

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he says the Tamar, 12 o'clock or whatever the time was. Uh, they're gonna walk out because we're going to be Australia.

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He said, don't you go anywhere. He said Because you're not in a union it and if you walk out, is that your fire?

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Because it okay. So they walked out at 12 o'clock, whatever. And I'll just give you a toy. They walked out and

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of course I didn't go anywhere. The management came around sorry to take off than when they come back, you come back so that we love to play it.

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That the people who didn't hit 90 days, you had to get your 90 days in in order to get the union. And then your wages would go up like 15.

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So I think it was like $0.15 a month. And I would make a sayings, same amount of wages as someone who worked there 50 years.

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I started like something like $2 an hour. So I'll make a 245 an hour, maybe a 90 days. I left the job was make a $1.41.

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I was to type this in an office. And a guy told me like leaves, they've got a great future as well. I didn't call out Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

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Then I moved to California and I got a job here. Okay. So just to kind of touch up on that. So when everybody else walked out and you

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say was there like animosity towards no, no, no, no, no, no. Because the other union members knew that I couldn't do that.

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Now. Now, once your union member and if you walk out, then there would be animosity. Sure. But you know

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what that was? The only know what? We wrap maybe three days and then they came back and they settle they settle

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the international agreement. And of course there's always local issues. The local, they also have different agreements from the

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national contract. It might be about working conditions in plant where the bathrooms are being clean good enough

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for we need water fountain here. One of the big things was fans. Fan because that mother plants or air condition.

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Well, they are now. I mean, there there are systems that the move the ear. Even down here, accuracy here.

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Big complaint, our fans, I worked in the IP line is to paint a line and we hit one fan on, Hold on. Well, what I left

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almost every operator here to fame. I mean, OT years a day installed. We're fans because The Union. But what

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we want is I want to strike out here at one time. We're after three days, which was nothing again,

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and I was on a picket line. I was over by the ports plant for like three or four hours. Now, the only pick a duty I ever did.

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Okay. Do you ever keep in touch with any of your friends from California or did any of them come with us?

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That we in fact, there was there was a little bit of animosity about us coming here. Because when I came here,

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I kept my seniority and I heard it in 1962. Well, in 1964 at the New York plant, they put a second shift. So when I came here,

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there was probably a thousand guys in his plant. There was, there's about 5000 people at this plant when I came here.

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And there's probably a thousand of them had 64 seniority. And then the auto industry throughout the country,

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I imply it even afford four currently it's seniority is a big deal because you rank for jobs. If you're a line worker,

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there's a there's a release job or repair job, inspection job, or any other job where you could transfer

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to maybe a easier job or not a monopolist job? Seniority as I get it. That's the way we did not where I worked.

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So I came here with 60 CDC 62 seniority. So it was like I'd moved right to the top of the list of those all these people who heard in from 64 on.

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And there was a few guys, yeah. Because when a job came on the board, oh, 60 to die. Well, my first cave, they wouldn't know.

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62 guys here are to us and we both case in California, a Mexican guy and I know there were a few guys who it 55 seniority, I mean,

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inherited in 1955 in California and there was a few of them came with there might have been a couple, 100 and I unusual mom, Yeah. Sure.

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And you said that you came from Los Angeles, correct? Yes. Really?

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California plant was? Yes. Was it a tough adjustment are coming from LA to well,

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I I I lived under the Carlisle, Pennsylvania to I was I'd say I had a job there my first year out of high school.

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So Delaware with similar plus my my relatives in up there and my mother's still alive and she lives in a Cornell and I

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have I have cousins and aunts, still live in Cornell and girlfriends, friends that I went to school with, you know, they're there so it wouldn't know

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what little adjustment for my wife. My wife was born and raised in Detroit and of course I could have went to Detroit. They tell us that take the whole

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play it when they shut that, are that everybody Congress? Because it such a big turnover in Detroit. But my wife didn't wanna go Detroit.

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And I chose, I had to go to a plant where they were hiring people. I could go to a I want to go to St. Louis. That way.

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I figured I'd be in between her parents and my parents and they'd have no openings. They they weren't hiring a new AKI right at the time.

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So that's why I came here. I could have went the Belvedere, but at the U Chicago it is cold air, cold.

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Okay. Joseph said unto her little league coach for awhile and I guess that well, I first got into it in California.

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My cousin was eight years old and he was on a tee ball team. And they didn't have coach, my aunt then the George.

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Why don't why don't you why don't you go down would be to coach. So I asked my wife who I'd die of just got married and I just had a small baby us.

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Yeah. Anyway, I coached before onetime, Korolev, but it was I took over a team. We're a guy quit. Yeah, it was only like six or eight games.

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I don't know anything about upheaval, that no such thing as evil. Anyway, I coach a team and of course, then when I came here I had the book.

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And right away we will have the retinal apartments. It's up on the Kirkwood highway. Possible.

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And they had a baseball for you there? Well, of course I think is baseball field railway rate. So I called up parks,

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recreations and they gave me a phone number to call. And gentleman was looking for a coach and he took me on.

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He said, you'd like kids. I said Yes, I do. Said Well, you got like kids because I do have a lot of firms give us okay.

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And I became a major league. I went right to the major league. And that's, that's a big deal when little late because you have the myelin HIP.

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We lakes and our range of majors where the 10, 11, 12 year-old boys org girls can be a few girls.

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And I was successful. I mean, your teeth are successful when I hit the players, liquid players. Did you whenever you move from LAGs,

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follow the same teams or did you come in far more local teams, like Was that an adjustment as well? Yeah.

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Are you talking about professionally confessional? I was still like your fans still like I did. I became a Laker fan when I

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moved to California because I like Jerry West. My favorite play was Oscar Robertson. Have what the name I sign off.

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My wife would let B. Here we have the haustra or we didn't run around health. Anyway. I I like George Allen.

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He was ramp ramp coach in California. I became of what's your risk and family like out here. So okay.

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Did you wander into planes to talk about sports, but oh, yeah. That's worth a lot. Sure. Yeah.

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Talking about when you guys guys thought, well, we we had quite a few women that worked there. And there was a few fair

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some IID with God, not me. I never did, but I mean, the guys would fall in love with this girl that alanine, right?

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If she went. And it was husband, wives who who broke up over affairs in the plant.

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They MME happens everywhere, happens in the office, happens to college. This is not something that doesn't occur to them.

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Never heard of any sexual relationships on the line or anything like that. And we had to shift the Daesh of a night shift.

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The why her DEA there were a few went out out in the parking lot and they've gotten a man or whatever,

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they had a tussle but it was it was not the norm. It was that they didn't like it didn't happen every day

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but not that I know anyway. Yeah. Everybody hear rumors that happens. Remember it's fruit fly faith and always Jamie,

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hey, if a walk out The Body Shop goes away. I mean, ed walk they walk out where they would be the worker who'd be upset

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or working conditions or something out the door to go. Because that's strictly the just the one part of the plant.

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Usually it was Lanka. Usually go out. What's what's they walked out of? We are to body shot, walk out rate,

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shop there, come around. We're leaving. We're leaving. That'd be cool. I get it happened more before I got here. What I heard than it did when I got here.

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We have few walk out while I worked here. But California, we didn't do that. Well, they had one walk out when I was there, one walk out.

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And that was the last time they ever walk out because we were told no certain terms the next next time or the

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walkout will be 500 people. And now we're going to lose a good job here. But here in New York, it was a way of sticking together. Well, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. You did. If you're if you're in hair if you're in there, yeah, they're going to they're going to maybe

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might get scar busted up next day. Everybody knows, you know, you have Cora a walk or so. I'm not saying happen a lot,

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but it did happen. I mean or well, when we come back to maybe the sports think, well,

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you said you were a Lakers fan and round here in New York, Delaware, there's a pretty big Philadelphia following lecture.

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Where did you ever have any sleep? Did you ever see or participate in and maybe sports gambling between they'd be like

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the Lakers in the six years away. Or did you ever seeing any sports gambling going on inside the plant? That he supports what? The gambling.

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Gambling. You're sure? Yeah. All Sure. Guys gambled all surely they'd been on games and

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I need a hint that what the debate, the big thing down here, it was numbers that they act, they hit here yet trim shock,

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there's a guide, trim shuffle. It might be two guys and dream job. I'm going to go around. You want a number for today?

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Yeah. Give me 200 and you give me a dollar or you can bet on not used to be only had one number. And then of course he got that.

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He has day number. Then of course they had a night number, so you get day or night. Hey, guys lost

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her paychecks, lost their paychecks. Betting on numbers. Numbers with probably the biggest thing a Bedouin. More does sports.

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We used to have a little pull. The last one I did a paint job. We had like four guys and we did we did car racing each week.

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We would pick drivers. Like I was Jeff Gordon van. If I had first pick this week, I might say I want to check

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coordinate and a guy with it and what each put up like ten bucks. And I got one got the money. Or if your guy or if

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you're a guy who's the highest finishers, that's the way we bet on sports at the end. And they play cards. Cards, hearts used to be a big thing.

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I mean, I used to play dunk talk is when he would talk was a big big talk. Cuz cuz it goes fast. And I watch guys,

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I watch guys play taught for 10, $20. Again, right? And if you put your guard down and you didn't have,

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you had to pay double. The number game where you get the lowest chord. Big, big, big. They told me 1 second shift

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that you don't games. Guy's guy would be a relief me and he hid, go upstairs and hit Play tone for half hour to go back down to

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relieve his guys tobacco. I mean, a continuous score. Gabe's they say 1 second shift. Was it was all in

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good fun over there ever any fights break out? Most of it most of it was legitimate be where no, that wouldn't fights.

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I'm not saying never was. Okay. Cool. I never really any of the big tall games.

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I play talk at the end. We play we play at lunchtime to cafeteria. Wouldn't play for core and a half. And pretty

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much the guards ever do anything about it. They didn't come around, try to find games are some and most of the time,

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the like I said, you guys would do it at lunchtime. But like I say, I'll second shift. They said they had gained when

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all day I'll hold Shift and I was never primitive them but the different sections of the plant. Besides gambling and card games,

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did you ever play any sports at the plant with the co-workers? Maybe on a break or, you know what, they used to have these that basketball

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hoops up back but I never did now. I want a good basketball player number 12, don't want short because with that now, they didn't have the head Lakes down here.

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They had basketball leagues and some of them were very good. I mean, there's good athletes, I mean, high-school athletes and they want to work

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down here and they had teams needs to play up here at the Jenny Smith, I think it's beneath the myth.

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And these guys would come out with warm ups on and everything. I mean, I don't like high school players that, you know,

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when their uniforms as though they would all have black ones or whatever. And the blacks dominated most of the lake. Somebody there were, there were

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some good white players, but mostly to blacks with dominate that then they would, and we get this guy to come over to

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their teams would be the best than the yeah. I mean, they recruited guys and they have one for money. But I guess I don't paint

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trophies of the ICO watch. Maybe they were good. So would there be maybe a team from the paint shop and

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a team from the trim shop. Where is it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Short it was represent there. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.

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I think that when that wouldn't really in order that much, but yeah. I mean, you're there with probably well, they had football to the place.

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Awful. I never know. California is to keep score for softball team. It fast pitch out there.

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And they would they would they would go out and hire a pitcher. And I mean, we had a couple good visitors. I don't know if your laser or FASB sophomore,

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but let me tell you the rain, many hits and many runs. I mean, a guy, softball pitcher can really throw

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the ball with scoring games. And so I kept score for the team in California. Here. I never got involved in that.

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I had a couple friends of Plato and Teams, but unlike say date, they had some sponsors and they had uniforms. And that sounds interesting.

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I also heard in the first interview that you said that you were a janitor for a little while on the paint shop?

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I was Well, I was the janitor in different places. I ended up in this page often gap. I first went to a quick little lake in 1985.

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Cuz I get ready, go to college in Indiana. Do is hit the preferred job because you get to work. Yeah, if if the line is workin five days,

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chairs would work six because we had to clean up things. Want to dirty jobs. We had when you had the old page

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up with he had to go what they call the Sub floors and new dress up in range suits and boots. And he had a quantity and jet gun.

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I backed out the water guns, call Jenkins to clean to paint that when we had regular paint, when I left, we had pink or waterborne paint.

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It was still still on appliances as that but there was a clean-up easier. The other it was a solvent paint,

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solving paints and there are very few solvent base anymore because of environmental purposes. Now there is a foreign countries,

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but they don't care about that. We'll hear about environmental purposes. So but I started out, I started out as a chord with me.

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Everybody had an area and he had to go down in this area and you hit a baler. There'll be a machine

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which you put your cardboard in and crush it in a big paths are big bubbles. And the bubbles would weigh anywhere from half a time to a time.

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And that was my first job in here. And of course I could say I've worked I've worked OTA. When 997 I transferred to the paint shop.

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We build new paint job which you're going to tear down right now as I sit here, I hate to see it because all the jobs were like where I gather.

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Oh, well, I went out there. I worked 37 Sundays. And when you work study, you get double time. And then if they want you to work overtime,

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you might work 12 hours a day, but they may have a lot of work with the community, work. The line six days,

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there's lots more things the cleaned and and I'll say this. I don't know how cars R3 that anymore. All the procedures that course go through.

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Well, mostly they brought Russ now, if you take them down the beach or you get a scratch on your car, you don't fix it. Well, of course, you've got down to

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the bare metal and of course for us is going to invade. But I mean, they go through all kinds of things

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and they kept the three booths out there like hospital. I mean, every every day. I mean, they would be jet going to enable

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holes in there, please. Hospital floors all works because I worked overtime. I would if somebody was absent,

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they're going to be out or vacation. They would they would bring in like four hours early, mop floors and mop

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the floors, job mopping floors. So how would you have to every night clean the stalls like very well or could you

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kind of leaves on BlueLine for the weekend, whatever nobody was there because there are some jobs you could do. You can only do on weekends.

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Because when we ran two shifts, there was already well, theta shifts, the shift because now that the I mean, we had a third shift.

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Now when we had two shifts, the third Shi a few spleen is putting the paint booth. But they had they had a large group of people

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because they only had like five hours to clean and they didn't have a full shift, eight hours. So guys, it took eight hours

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a cleaner, a spray booth, especially the old with the new ones which were more up to date or whatever. They claim much better. I'm happy that

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everything's stainless steel. There. Were there any problems with the pain so that people are getting sick? Now plagued with this.

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I really was was led you said All I knew there's no way that you stay up. Yeah. They you said LET in fact mouth

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all new course now have new lead in them. When they used to put the connect the roof on a car, it's called a post pathos ethos.

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And back your back window. That's called the deepest. Well, they would they would they would well the roof to the

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deeper and they would use lit, but they face outlet a long longtime ago. Everything now swelling. In fact? Well, it will become

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passe pretty soon because they're, they're using the glues. And I'm going to say small tack with like attack.

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Well, well, yeah, but it's one which I say, well, I mean, I know we restarted using glue down here. A lot of ports are glued together.

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Hard to leave with you are there. They're just as strong as the well, they say they read it. Did they rebut some things as well?

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Most most of the time we use rivets. It was like they put a IRI your glass adjusters and they would be revert into the doors.

00:24:32.210 - 00:24:38.930

Yeah, we use rivets lot. Not really the home decor together, just the whole parts together. We've always riveted while

00:24:38.930 - 00:24:49.390

they used to use screws. Rivets because derivative cos, yeah. The screw my cost them a nickel. And a lot of industry. Every penny.

00:24:49.390 - 00:24:58.640

Every penny they can say, they say, Yeah, they're always looking to save money. I never want to give us raises.

00:24:58.640 - 00:25:06.710

Whenever I worked there 45 years. Almost 45 years. Never got one to 3% raise. I was making $30 now when I retire.

00:25:06.710 - 00:25:17.630

But that was from $2 over 44 years. Most of it most of it came we got we got cost-of-living escalators, one-year.

00:25:17.630 - 00:25:24.410

That's one of the things we mark the new bargained for. And sometimes our cost of living raises would be very good.

00:25:24.410 - 00:25:33.830

I mean, $0.70, which was more than the 3% I would get over a three-year period. Your finger, 3% is only about 15 on both a

00:25:33.830 - 00:25:48.130

year from a normal wage. The one thing that the yotta want to see probably screwed up point. They gave us proper shared because some

00:25:48.130 - 00:25:56.820

of the games proper sharing and cry for a while there was doing terrible. 980. They almost shut the whole corporation down.

00:25:56.820 - 00:26:02.370

And we got a loan from the government. And everybody been debated, though he can't give them ought to work for us alone.

00:26:02.370 - 00:26:11.740

Well, they paid it back in two years with with interest. Same same way right now. We got to I probably wouldn't be sitting here

00:26:11.740 - 00:26:16.660

taught me right now because I probably would get the pension. My pencil would go, Wow, I got ported my pension,

00:26:16.660 - 00:26:24.920

but it had been a lot less because government garish, it guarantees pinches 65 percent. Well, 65 percent is

00:26:24.920 - 00:26:38.870

a lot different and there are a 100 percent. Okay. So you mentioned in the prior interview that you also maybe move jobs around a few times.

00:26:38.870 - 00:26:44.810

You would work on a job for a certain amount of time. They would maybe look for something new. Do you have maybe a favorite

00:26:44.810 - 00:26:54.390

jotted you remember from the plant, was it You mean as as a worker and a liner? Just oh, yeah. Well, yeah, sure. I mean,

00:26:54.390 - 00:27:04.910

this kick you back to seniority again. Say say you were you had a job and you transferred to another department or used we retire.

00:27:04.910 - 00:27:12.520

And here comes this job open? Well, I'm like I say, every job not equal. I mean, there's good jobs and there's bad jobs.

00:27:12.520 - 00:27:20.750

I mean, I guess I did some jobs that were ball buster slumming it, but you can do You had no choice. I mean, you could say why don't we do the job

00:27:20.750 - 00:27:26.680

because his heart now, when we start her when they started hiring a lot of women. Now I thought there were times

00:27:26.680 - 00:27:35.480

where women got some preference, but I'll see women do our jobs. We had a woman, her name was big, big tip Betty.

00:27:35.480 - 00:27:47.330

Hey, Teddy had big breaths. But I'll tell you what. She got. A peak peak us get off that job because of

00:27:47.330 - 00:27:54.980

a physical physical problem. And what's her breasts, her breath for getting bruised because of the job she had and she got

00:27:54.980 - 00:28:00.920

a job it that's the only job you ever go off of? I mean, every job they put her on, Benny would do to best of

00:28:00.920 - 00:28:08.720

her ability and there were people who would cry and bitch and then they get off jobs. Yeah, they cried enough.

00:28:08.720 - 00:28:19.430

Not a lot, but most of them did. But with excellent excellent women workers. And when I, when I, when I retired and a lot of women,

00:28:19.430 - 00:28:26.050

a lot of women New out maybe tell me sorted out some of the early working conditions in the plant

00:28:26.050 - 00:28:36.340

because I know you well and which ones? Maybe maybe we'll start with well, in LA and LA, it was a little different. It here. Like I say,

00:28:36.340 - 00:28:43.720

they were very strict out there. They kept the plant plane. Now the only ran one shift out there and that the most cars we

00:28:43.720 - 00:28:51.010

have a rain I think was 60 an hour. The plant what real big. And they can only want so many cores. Now when I came here,

00:28:51.010 - 00:29:00.560

when I came to Delaware 970, one day run is 70, some core now. And the faster the line runs, the better it is.

00:29:00.560 - 00:29:07.700

Because there's less you can do. I mean, you can put you can't put front fender on in the back vendor on if this one

00:29:07.700 - 00:29:17.780

is 7070 an hour, you might just put the front fender on. Someone else installs the back vendor just as an example or whatever part it is.

00:29:17.780 - 00:29:24.590

So when lines drawn, in fact, they had a lot of people and their retinotopic. I mean, every 10

00:29:24.590 - 00:29:32.600

for every 10 feet There's an operation. And somebody put a he might only put three nuts in or just put light bulb,

00:29:32.600 - 00:29:43.640

that light enters them. But the best condition is run 70 an hour. When they shut that our plant in California, they started laying people off.

00:29:43.640 - 00:29:53.240

We were told that the the like, July fourth would be the last day of work, I believe production day. Well, maybe the guy next

00:29:53.240 - 00:30:01.130

to me I thought were build the whole car. We run it by 20 an hour. And he we were we were doing this and this and this and this.

00:30:01.130 - 00:30:09.050

I mean, we had so many operations to do. I mean, we could do them but he did a lot where he reviews I took sick people will

00:30:09.050 - 00:30:21.100

do to people we're doing a lot in jobs. Plus when I came to when I came here, when I came here, it was like a circus. A guy.

00:30:21.100 - 00:30:30.160

A guy came with your supervisor for your job when he first gave her name was Jack. And Jack got this, right?

00:30:30.160 - 00:30:36.200

Yeah. The supervisor uses how do you get fired here? I know I told US allies. How do you get farad here?

00:30:36.200 - 00:30:44.750

And a supervisor told me, he said, well, he said If you set the play on fire, it might give you three days off. I mean, it was I mean,

00:30:44.750 - 00:30:54.360

it was that was like a circus. I the verb the working environment, you guys would just be crazy. They still thought they did their job Good.

00:30:54.360 - 00:31:06.350

But an anion if it was crazy. Crazy and they improved over time. Yeah, yeah. Actually craziness actually went away because it's just difference

00:31:06.350 - 00:31:11.510

in management or just better working conditions. I think you said they put in fans as well that like you'd like?

00:31:11.510 - 00:31:22.070

Yeah. They they started putting fans and they revamp the whole plant 980 and made to workspaces bigger. But she's still worked hard.

00:31:22.070 - 00:31:29.420

I mean, they were beggar. You had more more more room? I always thought they did a pretty good job of keeping a clean

00:31:29.420 - 00:31:39.170

for for two shifts. It wasn't that you couldn't you were tripping over door to someone a floor. The fourth role concrete.

00:31:39.170 - 00:31:49.340

Concrete and it used to be they had the creosote it blocks and a floor. And the floor Florida me it was, you know, look carpet.

00:31:49.340 - 00:31:55.100

Yeah. Now they did do that too. I'm sorry. They got they finally got rubber mats.

00:31:55.100 - 00:32:01.070

So you can have a rubber mat and your work area. And we have rubber mat throughout the whole plant.

00:32:01.070 - 00:32:09.380

I mean, they they might be this thick, which may make it better. Walking a stable job, stand in one place all day long,

00:32:09.380 - 00:32:16.220

you know, and they're just walk back forth here. That's its work in a production line with a hard job.

00:32:16.220 - 00:32:28.670

I mean, but you get used to it. I was with the max only place into the better jobs or did everybody get them at Eddie if

00:32:28.670 - 00:32:33.370

it's the same with they do that. The safety meeting come around and they don't want to pay these math or expensive.

00:32:33.370 - 00:32:44.270

I mean, we're, we're we're talking thousands of dollars for a 100 foot mat. I'd say Chrysler was minimally, but they were making money.

00:32:44.270 - 00:32:56.600

They're making money in order to appease the workers and get a better quality car? They did. I mean, union union negotiated? Yes. Because I'm telling you right now,

00:32:56.600 - 00:33:05.480

and I guarantee you Anybody work that you talk to that work online didn't give you nothing? No Cabinet. I'm either accompanies

00:33:05.480 - 00:33:13.080

the outerwear your work when you get out of school, but the companies don't give you nothing. It's all about making money.

00:33:13.080 - 00:33:25.770

And that I, a liberal, so that's not a conservative and easy to betray their behavior. Anyway, I'll be news people are there.

00:33:26.050 - 00:33:34.310

Well, you said that everybody pretty much gotten mad and well, there are places where they can put them yeah, sure.

00:33:34.310 - 00:33:41.690

Say safety would come or apps or say he will come around and say, I don't think any impact there now. Now she only matter. You don't need a mat.

00:33:41.690 - 00:33:48.160

Yeah. Were there other things kinda disputed? I really just have to file a grievance for anything. I'll sure.

00:33:48.160 - 00:33:56.360

Shops door with a lot of times they had what they call IE men, industrial engineers. And they will come around

00:33:56.360 - 00:34:06.200

and they would check your job and say, well, we got 20 people in this group. We think Dave could do more. We think he can do more.

00:34:06.200 - 00:34:13.130

He's thought the workload into that gravel to stopwatch. And they would tie all the elements of your job.

00:34:13.130 - 00:34:19.400

That would say yep, Thank you. Put one more screw it. Well, if you could please take a screw off this guy, wolf,

00:34:19.400 - 00:34:26.270

that guy, that guy, a piece off this guy. Think eliminate that guy. The idea was to run the plant

00:34:26.270 - 00:34:34.520

with the least amount of personnels they could. Every company doesn't guarantee the Japanese do it,

00:34:34.520 - 00:34:47.970

the Chinese do it, the Koreans do it. Don't. I've given money way I think can help it. And guess what? Car companies make money every day.

00:34:47.980 - 00:34:56.510

In 19, 990 we started put airbags and chorus and I was repairmen. Each each each area would have a repair me

00:34:56.510 - 00:35:03.830

and they want to play and like maybe 30 corps, there'll be a repair station. So if someone fouled up

00:35:03.830 - 00:35:11.990

the one-year fix because you don't want to go away TDM the line and have to fix it. Because you hear it, you may be shut off.

00:35:11.990 - 00:35:17.810

Now. They're all carpet out the fix something. Well, if it was fixed before it got there, I mean,

00:35:17.810 - 00:35:31.690

there's still that that there were still thought that yet they're old cardboard. Anyway, in 990, I had a good airbags. We had three days.

00:35:31.690 - 00:35:41.470

And the guy from Toledo airbags are steering columns came out. He showed us all about what was going

00:35:41.470 - 00:35:47.610

to happen with this, their bag. Yeah. What we do here, the we or the electronics. I want everything. I took it out to get out the front yard.

00:35:47.610 - 00:35:54.890

They would air and everybody at Chrysler out there in the grass. And he said to them, I guess with the thing and a

00:35:54.890 - 00:36:02.020

ignited I think through hierarchy dear. I know what I mean. Just like at that airbags validate it's you you

00:36:02.020 - 00:36:12.780

can click your finger favoring the fats out the face and hereby comes out. Anyway, the guy to lifo, he says, quasar, is trying to get every vendor,

00:36:12.780 - 00:36:20.870

vendors or people who can make the port source. Right now, vending is worldwide. I mean, we might get from Mexico,

00:36:20.870 - 00:36:29.390

we might get it from Korea. And they do same thing. I mean, they get stuff from here. Anyway, said,

00:36:29.390 - 00:36:36.320

Chrysler's try to get every vendor to come in for this malware. Malware, this amount of money is my money. So they want that

00:36:36.320 - 00:36:44.600

they want that steering column. It could cost them no more than $600. As he, when he puts it in the car, Chrysler is going to charge $900.

00:36:44.600 - 00:36:51.390

He says because auto companies make 1 third every, every car and he sent out that door. So if you've if you've made

00:36:51.390 - 00:37:03.150

$60 thousand for a Cadillac today, General Motors made $20 thousand. Well, that's out. Let me tell you. Yet they profit as

00:37:03.150 - 00:37:09.570

profit after they paid for electricity. Yeah, people make money. I mean, yeah, you have stockholders and you gotta pay

00:37:09.570 - 00:37:15.870

stockholders rate because they put them invest in the company. And he got paid these big wheels all the money.

00:37:15.870 - 00:37:24.640

They get $20 million a year for, for plant manager, for the head of the company, the CEO. You'd be a CEO one day, right?

00:37:29.320 - 00:37:38.540

I remember from your first interview that she was talking about maybe supervise being fair men. I was wondering if you ever

00:37:38.540 - 00:37:48.020

witness any like racism or intolerance towards women or anything like that from the supervisors? We had a few a few black black supervisors.

00:37:48.020 - 00:37:56.450

I had one I had one that I worked for. I thought he was racist. Yeah. I had a problem with him. But I had I had I had

00:37:56.450 - 00:38:05.840

a black eye to black supervisor, asked to go work for him. I went second shift and this his station was opened or there was

00:38:05.840 - 00:38:10.850

the repair phase they should open where he was at. And I asked to go work for him because I thought he was

00:38:10.850 - 00:38:21.060

such a great guy. It really was a nice guy. And I thought he treated as people might think, those actions before. And it was a hard station.

00:38:21.060 - 00:38:33.200

I worked my ass off here. I mean, it was a hard job. And his birthday his birthday came up. And I told everybody

00:38:33.200 - 00:38:42.010

everybody to group like them. I mean, it's just a great guy. And I had a birthday cake before. Nice though.

00:38:42.010 - 00:38:48.470

I used to always say, I love my job, I love, I love my job, I love my for me. There was another guy who says a theory that thought pick it up.

00:38:48.470 - 00:38:55.500

Anyway, I would doubt beings and newer. I'm a big cake baker. Forget this birthday party for it. And the growth of the, what,

00:38:55.500 - 00:39:01.820

what would you like on the cake? And I said, I love my job, I love my warm. And she said Why? I said that's what I wanted to cake.

00:39:01.820 - 00:39:09.440

And she made this nice big sheet cake and he loved it. He absolutely loved it. He told us about the he said they

00:39:09.440 - 00:39:19.160

make these a cap. Cap or temporarily, so that is nice. Yeah. Everybody's me, whatever. Anyway, where he lived there,

00:39:19.160 - 00:39:28.740

they made these great these great sandwiches, right? He's my African, my partners, maybe something for you guys each a slogan.

00:39:28.740 - 00:39:36.900

He brought us e products and so by that long, Abby about like that. But maybe just for me to repair Monday anyway.

00:39:36.900 - 00:39:45.890

But we have birthday party for him. He loved it. Gives good guy. But I I guess I had one I thought was raises. Then there was another black foreman

00:39:45.890 - 00:39:53.540

who used to work with me on the line, have to work on a line and eight became a foreman. And I thought the

00:39:53.540 - 00:40:03.170

the superintendent the superintendent gave them help when they have a lot. He called every name on there. I mean, yeah. Yeah. You did hear that word much air.

00:40:03.170 - 00:40:16.550

I mean, yeah. I said yeah. But anyway, the supervisor said, Don't you ever ever ever come out here and speak to me again

00:40:16.550 - 00:40:22.670

in front of my workers, I guess. And I I thought it was going to be a good supervisor. I thought it was good guy, young guy.

00:40:22.670 - 00:40:34.880

And they finally gave it up. That's it online. But there's a guy there was there was a guy a black guy who I

00:40:34.880 - 00:40:41.750

believe they gave a supervisor job today, should or shouldn't ever did. But yeah, they wanted they wanted to show they were

00:40:41.750 - 00:40:50.180

impartial and every supervisor that they put on do not turn out to be a good supervisor. But a lot of them a lot of one

00:40:50.180 - 00:40:58.790

back because down here well, I'll same way, California. The super tenants were to guys. I mean, they would they would they would chew

00:40:58.790 - 00:41:07.160

their form and that way they were treated like shit. You, if any, any interview should listen to. Now, the guy's going to say the same.

00:41:07.160 - 00:41:17.510

Superintendence treated their forms like shit. And I know there's a few formance who treat their workers like ship. Not today.

00:41:17.510 - 00:41:23.900

So we got I don't know if I mentioned this in the other interview. Where you weren't allowed to wear sneakers

00:41:23.900 - 00:41:28.180

and apply those sneakers. No secret for short sleeve, you say something about that. Okay.

00:41:28.180 - 00:41:33.860

But anyway, General Motors, general Motors, we knew they did. General Motors wear sneakers. They wore shorts.

00:41:33.860 - 00:41:42.380

Better. Like you, just like I do guys, a divorce pains, like add all your RAM. I'll be out here if it was snowing

00:41:42.380 - 00:41:52.200

outside death when it came to work. Anyway, they finally said, I wear sneakers because thinkers got to be so good.

00:41:52.200 - 00:42:00.110

I mean, I guess think there's a better juice. I mean, regular shoes. There, guys and there were these Lindsay little shoes

00:42:00.110 - 00:42:06.530

on a pair of sneakers I got there was much better Nim. But it was there was safety because they're nuts and screws

00:42:06.530 - 00:42:16.760

getting a floor and a I don't know if he ever stepped on another screw anything or I got an a on your foot? It's painful and it takes a while to heal.

00:42:16.760 - 00:42:26.210

Did you have to wear protective gear like steel toed boots or hard hats for now. We never had a well, now we hit we had I was down there

00:42:26.210 - 00:42:33.140

for a change of one dot and we hit where as gender, we hit a wear helmets. Yeah, there are certain places

00:42:33.140 - 00:42:41.690

where you wear protective helmets. That guy still got one in the garage or my shit in the especially and paste vast phase. Now they did go to

00:42:41.690 - 00:42:47.390

safety glasses to everybody had to wear safety glasses and the entire plant. Entire plant everywhere. Yeah.

00:42:47.390 - 00:43:00.800

Yep. Or side shields? They are within my department. They would issue. They would issue. And we'll just compare

00:43:00.800 - 00:43:07.340

every year because I worked outside sometimes as a janitor, surveys. We go right over here. Now I will now these are prescriptive place.

00:43:07.340 - 00:43:17.570

It's not a they they had a headache, may come in and you had to go to a doctor, to an optometrist or ophthalmologist and get your prescription.

00:43:17.570 - 00:43:23.330

And then you would taken into them and they would kill it. We got, you know, the guy who commanded would like to

00:43:23.330 - 00:43:32.420

say when I was in there for all safety glasses. Now, I could where I'm in a body shop, but by using the body shop yet

00:43:32.420 - 00:43:41.230

we had where something even better. So but I mean, they often it is still good Last night. They weren't cheap. Yeah.

00:43:41.230 - 00:43:51.590

And like say for for for us, I used a weapon, a Peytchev rough least that's clean up air and do change filters as though they've got sunglasses because that floor on

00:43:51.590 - 00:44:00.260

the roof of the new paint job down here as you go by the desert air now, it look like he grew up there and it was such a glare.

00:44:00.260 - 00:44:09.270

You all you needed something. I mean, anyway, Like say that every every two years that issue new glasses,

00:44:09.270 - 00:44:19.370

unless if they got broke as an eye, drop them in Korean OEM or something worker, they got crushed. That by me, another pair. I mean,

00:44:19.370 - 00:44:26.660

I don't think that many people purposely did it, but every two years, if you more prescription glasses,

00:44:26.660 - 00:44:35.980

they would give way. Otherwise. Otherwise they would they would they would get to state the glia cells like this. Okay.

00:44:35.980 - 00:44:43.400

Not boast that we're clear there was they weren't but they were like that. So these are just standard issues AT but I saw something similar to that.

00:44:43.400 - 00:44:48.920

That's I didn't hit that. That's something that would fit right over your glasses and what they have at first and then I started buying

00:44:48.920 - 00:44:58.980

prescription glasses. Yeah. Well, I mean, hey, we got plenty. Thank you, Stephanie. Year for your arms.

00:44:59.710 - 00:45:09.650

That's something here that they didn't have an LA I thought the way through a lot of money here. I really did was in LA.

00:45:09.650 - 00:45:16.970

I got one parallels a week off her glove week. And what we would do, there was some jobs where you

00:45:16.970 - 00:45:23.270

hit cut the fingers off, but he just could become work with a glove with all fit your neighbor. They were cotton cotton

00:45:23.270 - 00:45:32.660

LOS with tape it up and then cut the fabric also would lay a thought week. And if you were

00:45:32.660 - 00:45:42.550

a full glove and it was a hole in it, cinematic get a patched in LA. When I got here, you get apparently you get give

00:45:42.550 - 00:45:50.720

new pair of gloves every day. They were all just cotton gloves. But at the, at the beginning they were all cotton.

00:45:50.720 - 00:45:58.990

But at the end they dance and great gloves. They had can't Lord loves you if you're working around metal, they'd cut.

00:45:58.990 - 00:46:07.640

I mean, you could possibly cut cut through but if they were if they were pretty good, I mean, now they actually the equipment out here,

00:46:07.640 - 00:46:18.380

What was it was good but I thought the gloves I thought they just I thought they wasted money on gloves. I thought they should have watched

00:46:18.380 - 00:46:26.120

a lot of them and brought back actually, I used to like wash clothes because when you put a wash level and it was softer, and of course they got their home-style

00:46:26.120 - 00:46:37.340

later on they got rid of the cotton gloves. Since we can keep a safety issue and like to paint shop or something,

00:46:37.340 - 00:46:45.950

did you have to wear like a breathing? Their own certain jobs? Yes, you did? Yeah, sure. Now that the guys in there we're there,

00:46:45.950 - 00:46:53.180

I see people in a spray boosted that didn't have a mask on. And I was amazed. I'm not talking about, but when I

00:46:53.180 - 00:47:01.690

stopped what I was still working here. I was amazed that they left guys green arrow spray paint without a mask one. They had to have their safety glasses alone,

00:47:01.690 - 00:47:09.470

but they didn't have a mask on and I don't know They had their system up there. I mean, a backdrop or whatever you call it that

00:47:09.470 - 00:47:16.070

what I mean Su sounds in the army was started right out. I mean, you wouldn't near you didn't see you really didn't see

00:47:16.070 - 00:47:23.160

it. But it's still the air. When to use what do you spray? I don't use this breaking it before. When you spray, I mean, there's

00:47:23.160 - 00:47:31.190

paper some innate they got to go Old Place. And I wish I could believe that they left guys did there without,

00:47:31.190 - 00:47:40.620

without a mask one BC to work. There were very few at the end. Things robot's body shop, Body Shop, the ISA called The Jungle.

00:47:40.620 - 00:47:49.160

And if you walked in here, it look like to juggle, I mean, with pits and had the big hose has come

00:47:49.160 - 00:47:55.470

down with well-done guns on and I did it I Well it a couple times and its operand new guys. They loved it.

00:47:55.470 - 00:48:00.320

They loved the body shop. They would they were not trained for a transfer to trim shopper event,

00:48:00.320 - 00:48:09.350

better environment where it was cleaner for down there you put coveralls on every day and hats and sleeves and you cover it

00:48:09.350 - 00:48:22.780

up because I was inspector and a body shop. And I dress just like Yes. Well, my strokes. Well, I'm doing well and got the sparks fly. I mean, at fly 25000

00:48:22.780 - 00:48:34.660

thighs option spectrum of Body Shop. And Tim Sparks would burn a burn. But I'd say when I left there, I don't think it was 100 people who want

00:48:34.660 - 00:48:44.210

a job and used to be by 500. Robots. Car comes in, robot does this. They can always run the body shop without people.

00:48:45.120 - 00:48:53.190

From this switch gears a little bit. I know we've read and I think you talked about a little bit the first interview,

00:48:53.190 - 00:49:00.240

some of the businesses in the plan itself, like maybe some geyser, nothing. He says a guy was selling watches all. Yeah.

00:49:00.240 - 00:49:06.420

I had a guy on second shift. He's little York, Pennsylvania. Yeah, that's it. Okay.

00:49:06.420 - 00:49:14.590

After he drove every day, he had a hardware store up here. His name was Lou Henry alpine. Hopeless that I did anyway,

00:49:14.590 - 00:49:28.670

have to do is plug it in in a summertime. Summertime is 100 degrees as he comes in there and he's got a long sleeve shirt on. And if you want to watch,

00:49:28.670 - 00:49:37.340

He he, he had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and then have a suitcase and hit a pen, anything you want to buy. When the tomato plants and stuff are

00:49:37.340 - 00:49:45.530

common human brain to be planted in his car. It'll Chrysler. It'll Chrysler. Imperial. A drove to work one day from

00:49:45.530 - 00:49:55.740

your change that all four wheels, can you imagine coming down that York's probably what the 90 miles away. So three hours maybe.

00:49:55.870 - 00:50:04.100

I go through you're going to go home to see my mother. Would change on your car. I know you've never had change on your core,

00:50:04.100 - 00:50:12.920

but anyway, now we're guy, they they sold stuff. I mean, it sell sodas. We had a guiding J2,

00:50:12.920 - 00:50:20.510

j2, jaded you buddy, I'm Hickman air with cases in cases of serious and hits the sense where it,

00:50:20.510 - 00:50:27.080

where you want it to pop machine might be a dollar Betsy machine. We're supposed to, but nobody did anything about it.

00:50:27.080 - 00:50:39.990

We had coffee machines. I had a coffee machine in my locker. I thought through it Alex about that. Okay. Alex mentioned to me that

00:50:39.990 - 00:50:46.790

you called him in and you want to do this follow-up interview for a couple of reasons. Maybe. Was there anything

00:50:46.790 - 00:50:54.560

in particular as you wanted to mention, I think you said something about like the drug issue at work when we're guys did drugs.

00:50:54.560 - 00:50:59.330

I'm a nurse. I worked in an area. I didn't, you know, it's got these guys were doing drugs.

00:50:59.330 - 00:51:12.790

Me and I was the janitor an area. All right. And there was three people work in that area. There was a bumper line where the baffle would come and get it installed.

00:51:12.790 - 00:51:22.990

Then you put the C1 and this guy used to. They tell me they tell me he has to go back air and guides and come over to more break

00:51:22.990 - 00:51:27.080

and they would snort cocaine area. I know. I don't really think about that stuff but I mean,

00:51:27.080 - 00:51:33.310

I don't I mean, I think you do it. I might figure out what to do, but I never seen him do it. So I end up guys go to

00:51:33.310 - 00:51:41.240

our breakdown because that one day's data on break and they will sort cocoa. Okay. Hey, the guy did his job every day.

00:51:41.240 - 00:51:50.270

He kept clean because I had to pick a I have to take care of as boxes that are presented them that

00:51:50.270 - 00:51:56.140

it came with a plastic sleeve, want to keep it from scratch it. And I never had a rope. Then another guy got it work there.

00:51:56.140 - 00:52:03.140

He's jail now. But you can go to indigo. Indigo because of daily. It would mess with young young girl or 13 or girl or something.

00:52:03.140 - 00:52:11.720

Anyway. He he smoked marijuana, not new to you? He was because they feel smell marijuana. I don't know if you ever have if you

00:52:11.720 - 00:52:19.880

have the odors in the air. And when he was done with his job because he can work back the line and the 10

00:52:19.880 - 00:52:31.200

cores they had at the end of shift, he was lighten up and it's right there in smoking a joint. And nobody ever did I think don't know. Yeah.

00:52:31.200 - 00:52:39.500

I will I will go tell anybody When much I want to tell you is just to maybe some people who

00:52:39.500 - 00:52:46.400

actually did get in trouble, they just kinda cool. Yeah, we get quiet. We hit I worked a lily.

00:52:46.400 - 00:52:52.990

There were there was a cop undercut undercover cop. He went he was down here with some other cops and

00:52:52.990 - 00:53:00.350

they they they they got some guys and the second shift deal window for selling dope or whatever they were doing while they were working.

00:53:00.350 - 00:53:08.910

They well, they were selling it. Yeah, They were they were selling it at the plant. And the big Ottoman far as I know, a couple of them are still in jail.

00:53:08.910 - 00:53:16.780

I mean, a I believed that the company tried to keep jokes and stuff. It wasn't as prevalent.

00:53:16.780 - 00:53:23.840

I would say on day shift that like like it probably wasn't nice. Nice, nice with different media because they got

00:53:23.840 - 00:53:35.230

their cars and stuff and it was dark. I mean, with Garth would patrol the park, lots of stuff. So there was a guard service broker and well,

00:53:35.230 - 00:53:47.750

that used to be they had gourds that were hired by the company. And I think probably well, what they did, They went the way they went through

00:53:47.750 - 00:53:56.660

a new system down here where you're gave you a badge and you had to put your badge AND gate a tip with these new gates up and you.

00:53:56.660 - 00:54:03.450

Punchy. And instead of punching a clock, we used to have clock Negro erin. Yeah. Do your name on it. Yeah.

00:54:03.450 - 00:54:08.990

Your ticket. And it would punch in, you know, you'd put your punch yourself in every day and this clot well,

00:54:08.990 - 00:54:14.990

they started the one at the gate that indeed a guard, you know, you could punch you, Mommy. I pushed into this gate the page

00:54:14.990 - 00:54:26.430

out probably eight years. And when they're with thump, thump, thump, that put guard your watch people when they went out.

00:54:26.430 - 00:54:35.070

But very seldom was just yeah. They gotta guard, serve as they heard, they got rid of all these guys that the heritage from Chrysler

00:54:35.070 - 00:54:41.840

and got this service, I forget the name of it now. Crayola to page seven bucks an hour, eight bucks an hour.

00:54:41.840 - 00:54:47.750

Whereas the other guards they were making the same thing as a guideline. I mean, when you when you were a guard,

00:54:47.750 - 00:54:54.500

you primate $30 an hour. I mean, well, back then they didn't make that much, but to me I didn't either.

00:54:54.500 - 00:55:05.240

But the way get rid of that old guys. They bought this service in and they but they'll all what would yield one thing I did do,

00:55:05.240 - 00:55:15.770

which was hood, when I worked in the page up on weekends. Whenever we went in any area any area where the arrowhead to be tested.

00:55:15.770 - 00:55:27.030

I mean, we went down in the pits or anything we went into where ventilation was important. They have gourd come out that it

00:55:27.030 - 00:55:38.480

didn't have a meter and a checked everything. I mean, they were they were good about that. I mean, because once they happen is some plant

00:55:38.480 - 00:55:47.480

they they they gave up, I think I guess with the janitor unless sure. He's Clorox and if you if you get it and close the area with Clorox,

00:55:47.480 - 00:55:57.140

it can get overcoming Gioia. Well, they wouldn't issue more than one gallon of a Clorox anybody. And you had to get a written permission from

00:55:57.140 - 00:56:03.440

your supervisor, what you're going to use it for. Now? In the paint shop.

00:56:03.440 - 00:56:10.040

It was blood on the floor. That's what we use. Clean it up with Clorox. And you had a disposable rags

00:56:10.040 - 00:56:18.170

and the K to call your supervisor? I mean, with it was the BLM just from small injuries or do you ever slept with somebody?

00:56:18.170 - 00:56:26.330

Yes. Somebody could get colored or yeah. I mean, you get cone line and it was my job to clean it up. And, you know, you need

00:56:26.330 - 00:56:32.750

rubber gloves and stuff and I guess it was because of the aids and HIV and stuff. It's mostly just small injuries

00:56:32.750 - 00:56:38.360

or did you ever see a few really serious wounds? There were there were theories injuries down there.

00:56:38.360 - 00:56:44.810

I've never really seen as theories when we a couple of people got killed down there, the old body shop, they have what they call gate,

00:56:44.810 - 00:56:51.900

where it would go like Yes, I would fold a car together. The two parts over here, it's more here support

00:56:51.900 - 00:56:57.910

that goes over here to get together and they Well it together. And it was a gate. And this guy cohort of Guigo

00:56:57.910 - 00:57:06.610

killed, Guess what? A plane that that plant emptied out just like that. And we did go back to work.

00:57:06.610 - 00:57:14.560

It was we were out few days until they fix that and guaranteed anybody that, but that wouldn't happen again. They put some safety things in where

00:57:14.560 - 00:57:24.580

the gate it was impossible for us to ever happen again. I guess I'm just know what it's about. I do early mechanics though I didn't,

00:57:24.580 - 00:57:35.840

but I know that's what happens. They were sometimes they were safe, sometimes they weren't, but the life's a bitch all the time.

00:57:35.840 - 00:57:43.700

My supervisor, I don't think ever clean my area good enough. He said, Well, when when it got dropped it on the floor,

00:57:43.700 - 00:57:51.540

you want to pick it up. How did you feel about the overall safety of the plan? And then you mentioned there's like,

00:57:51.540 - 00:57:58.010

Oh yeah, I luxuries, I thought it got better. And just overtime, you think? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:57:58.010 - 00:58:03.860

Because I told you they came did with the safety glasses. I always thought that the sneakers was fine. Yeah.

00:58:03.860 - 00:58:13.640

We had a supervisor one day. He was one of the one I didn't like. I did the work where I've worked for a little bit.

00:58:13.640 - 00:58:23.540

But anyway, he even went into thinkers are white sneakers. I made it look like he's right here. That babies have, Guess what?

00:58:23.540 - 00:58:29.840

Everybody see that everybody's seen him with these niggers and everybody wanted to feed her shop steward. Oh, guess what?

00:58:29.840 - 00:58:37.280

Have this guy? He went over change of x2. I don't think he came back a day, but they sent him home. I mean, a company sent him

00:58:37.280 - 00:58:44.990

home because he had sneakers on. Anyway, they relax rules later in the day of sneakers of better some worksheets.

00:58:44.990 - 00:58:54.240

A blade whenever hand where steel toe shoes? Not that I know of. Nobody who were still use those use a tough the where.

00:58:54.790 - 00:59:02.390

So he said basically over time they brought in fans. They allowed you to wear shorts and sneakers. And all I am in said

00:59:02.390 - 00:59:09.490

there were guards on duty in. If they didn't see people doing drugs, they pretty much crack down. But other than that, it was kind of

00:59:09.490 - 00:59:15.540

lean in like a nice place to work a lot. I loved it. I'm not working on line. Yeah. I liked it.

00:59:15.730 - 00:59:24.980

Hi. I like to work on the line. I say every job by hand. I liked the job

00:59:24.980 - 00:59:31.440

that he had to go to work some days, but the yeah, because I knew what I was in for that day. You know.

00:59:31.440 - 00:59:41.000

If you had motor grass every day, like pneumo gray as well, you know. I mean, there were jobs I had I didn't like but you're not going

00:59:41.000 - 00:59:52.370

to like everything in life? Yeah. Everything would be Sunshine. Was there any other questions

00:59:52.370 - 01:00:08.150

you want to go over with us? Think I've pretty much covered my list here. I know there's some things that you want. No more questions.

01:00:08.150 - 01:00:19.220

I have I have just maybe one more about the neighborhoods. I I think there was maybe Chrysler Avenue. I think there was like

01:00:19.220 - 01:00:25.760

the actual development and Christ to kind of put in places you'd have always lived in this house or did you know? I I moved here and I

01:00:25.760 - 01:00:31.430

used to live in rental apartments. Are you when I first came here, I didn't even see them apartments or I bought a building.

01:00:31.430 - 01:00:37.610

You know, there's there's all the departments. I mean, Sam, I know a couple of couple of guys to keep me

01:00:37.610 - 01:00:48.440

from California moved in here. I didn't see him. We came here and we go up the prices corner. Risk levels lot different way back

01:00:48.440 - 01:01:00.870

then before you were born. And I found it quite the paper and I found Red Mill apartments and I moved in there and I lived there till 1985.

01:01:00.870 - 01:01:11.510

And then I've been here since 1985. It deserves credit revenue outwards at okay. So there are a lot of thing a lot of places, I don't know about they,

01:01:11.510 - 01:01:22.880

so I'll go to streets down there. Which what street they want to close? Academy street. They want to make they

01:01:22.880 - 01:01:28.320

want to they want to close it off. They might close it. Although three traffic this is a paper here about a month ago.

01:01:28.320 - 01:01:36.740

I haven't heard about that. I think it's the one by the library. Yeah. That's that's distributed academies on the library's own again, yeah.

01:01:36.740 - 01:01:42.950

I think I think that that speak didn't want to close. Okay. Now, I thought I think fire engines is stuff

01:01:42.950 - 01:01:50.780

like I could get through, but they want it just to be a progess a pedestrian walkway. Okay. Why do you maybe asked you

01:01:50.780 - 01:01:58.340

just finished question about like, what if folate and maybe leave the planet and $500, you don't want to retire?

01:01:58.340 - 01:02:09.060

Yeah. I didn't want to regard because I still do a good job and good money. I would really require us

01:02:09.060 - 01:02:17.990

as only 64 years old. And I'm relatively good health. I mean, I get tired and Iguodala lawn yesterday I was tired.

01:02:17.990 - 01:02:25.640

I mean, it took me two hours. I mean, you could have a slow mode of using malware before five days. Well, I'm Jesse because sputtering

01:02:25.640 - 01:02:33.050

or weeks mode again, muscle unusual helped me a lot. I want to do at all yesterday, so I still need to get out and do stuff.

01:02:33.050 - 01:02:42.920

I get one day once a day, once in a while, but not enough. I wanted I wanted to work I wanted to work probably 6768.

01:02:42.920 - 01:02:51.160

I wanted it because I'd be a click-through. Security was 65 and might say, security is pretty good after our golden years.

01:02:51.160 - 01:03:03.230

I'd be a buy a new car and paid off before I retired and have a new car, a new vehicle. And anyway, didn't come to fruition to it.

01:03:03.230 - 01:03:13.200

I feel I feel so sorry when I drive by there, I'm not going to create a junior. I am a car right now now that repair shop and rather than I am,

01:03:13.200 - 01:03:19.970

I feel so bad that for all the people that don't have jobs anymore, not only those people, but people outside,

01:03:19.970 - 01:03:27.260

trucking companies, pizza place, whatever delivered stuff. I mean, I'm a lot more people involved when they shut down a plant than

01:03:27.260 - 01:03:36.660

just shutting the plant. That there's people lose their jobs, their lot of people go into a business. As I'm sure you know,

01:03:39.190 - 01:03:45.470

people to sell clothes just for people who work. There are different things. I mean, the hits a lot of people.

01:03:45.470 - 01:03:54.080

Yeah. That's why I was so upset when I think it was centered. Livingston from Mississippi said screwed am autoworker screwed Chrysler.

01:03:54.080 - 01:04:01.270

That then wonder. Wonder. Well, yeah, he got he got those two to where to plant them. His place right down in Mississippi.

01:04:01.270 - 01:04:11.120

Even forgetting about the million people that that's going to come back. I mean I mean, I don't what your father the father

01:04:11.120 - 01:04:16.640

is still alive? Yes. Does he work? Yeah. Keepers, what would be the impact if tomorrow he was at work?

01:04:16.640 - 01:04:20.580

The struggle. Struggle. I mean, I don't know if he has this half-baked.

01:04:20.580 - 01:04:28.970

I I'm helps pay for what paid off with I gotta I gotta say without lower bonus what I was after they took taxes as much live.

01:04:28.970 - 01:04:36.960

But yeah, I I had actually has in the last year, mouse hit set more payments payment house off and yeah,

01:04:36.960 - 01:04:45.830

I mean, I'm financially Um, I'm fine. But I always people out. There are people down there with two years, four years, ten years.

01:04:45.830 - 01:04:53.000

20 years. People down here with 25 years, I got 125 years on, Let's see, transferred to another plant though.

01:04:53.000 - 01:05:00.890

Someone may have someone with the Belvedere somewhat the Detroit. They they would they would if you were allow

01:05:00.890 - 01:05:08.030

the transfer of her openings, we could go to a plane with an opening. 30 were herring when people retire plants every day.

01:05:08.030 - 01:05:17.060

So I just feel so bad for for that part. Yeah. More so to be I mean, I wish I could just need but I

01:05:17.060 - 01:05:27.260

didn't I Yeah, I like it. I like I like working. I like ambush it or so. Yeah. My job I went around a plain old

01:05:27.260 - 01:05:32.780

a login or does the paint shop and I talked to a lot of people on the line. Yeah.

01:05:32.780 - 01:05:42.020

Mason, Good good friends that I still have three or four people that email and we both felt back and forth and jokes

01:05:42.020 - 01:05:50.660

in different different things. That girl girl semisolid this morning. She was one of my favorite worker. She made it chocolate cake, one day.

01:05:50.660 - 01:05:58.220

Best chocolate cake. I read my whole life. Anyway. Just CCMP recipe today on

01:05:58.220 - 01:06:08.450

the Internet with Hey, did you pick up any odd jobs, anything after the plane closer? I'd put in for a couple I

01:06:08.450 - 01:06:15.650

could I could hit a couple jobs driving courses that are driving ports. There there's several places around that. The distributor parts,

01:06:15.650 - 01:06:25.000

the dealer says the but I really don't like driving and my site is not grading more. And I just didn't want to be a driver.

01:06:25.000 - 01:06:31.680

Won't be driver. A friend of mine. He's got a job over the Jeep right now. He said, well made a good job here.

01:06:31.680 - 01:06:41.090

I don't want to go out the important courses that couldn't be part. I could, I could bargain and a drop ship. Cya.

01:06:41.090 - 01:06:47.930

I got back through with the vignette and I had to go down that road. Chuck might get hope. The gave me that. They read that then and a car

01:06:47.930 - 01:06:58.720

that they think is truck, bring it back. The more I had go pick my wife over work that you did a dragonfly, you update your back the bar.

01:06:58.720 - 01:07:09.650

So anyway, I wish I could give you more, but I don't want anybody know what that gives me. Well, I mean, we have your name,

01:07:09.650 - 01:07:15.530

we have your information if anything else comes up, windows. Do another thought, aliyah, Why? I don't know what else I could tell you,

01:07:15.530 - 01:07:24.590

but I'll let you have questions that I don't I don't think about covering, you know, like I told you before. And this my I

01:07:24.590 - 01:07:32.480

wouldn't want to work someplace without unions Come job I hit. It would be a BL AVL because management has

01:07:32.480 - 01:07:39.980

the upper hand and amazement. Well, when he had the upper hand, It's just like right now Republicans got the upper hand and see what they're doing.

01:07:39.980 - 01:07:48.230

I mean, if you're Republican, I'm sorry, Dave. I don't like rebuttal because politicians politicians and Joe.

01:07:48.230 - 01:07:58.280

I add handlers thing and I just say out for help, for healthcare, um, for, um, for helping people.

01:07:58.280 - 01:08:04.340

It seems like everybody, everybody, it's about greed and greed and jealousy. It's about how much can I get,

01:08:04.340 - 01:08:13.970

how much can I get? You know, I don't know if I told Alex's, but the I've sit there one day of that the table

01:08:13.970 - 01:08:22.250

and I said to this black guy, I forget his name is really nice guy. And we're still there. Told me that George. He said, You know what we need.

01:08:22.250 - 01:08:28.250

That's what do we need African, wish it marinate here. So we need a Christmas tree in here because we had

01:08:28.250 - 01:08:41.300

a big cafeteria and Abuja prey head, heart and heart, 50 seats, tables and stuff. I use that the mop it. So I DO outbreak was created Christmas tree.

01:08:41.300 - 01:08:48.810

Well, I want Iran everybody and told the idea, everybody donate a dollar. And we got a Christmas tree down.

01:08:48.810 - 01:08:54.680

My one where bought a Kmart or whatever with lights already on it. It's pulled up, put some tinsel will not tolerate buddy.

01:08:54.680 - 01:09:02.870

All right. But you're like bring a bulb in if you've got a ball but Homer and Bowlby and put them on here and portable one, right? Though we had a Christmas tree first year,

01:09:02.870 - 01:09:12.380

but a couple gets a 100. The next year. We started collecting gifts for food, food and gifts that we could

01:09:12.380 - 01:09:19.760

give away Christmas time to do the poor. The first year I took all the stuff that Hudson center and all they were so happy.

01:09:19.760 - 01:09:27.050

I mean, the info stuff like a big vein that film Havana put it in the next year, I get somebody helped me.

01:09:27.050 - 01:09:34.920

I had so much stuff. I found out about a guy newer and he's eight years old. He does it every year out, but I knew our country club.

01:09:34.920 - 01:09:44.190

There's a church. So he told me where to bring his stuff. Right. I took it out there. Have place hit 1000 boxes in it.

01:09:44.190 - 01:09:53.210

I mean, the boxes that were like two by three and people were in there, fill in these boxes up. So I help, there are

01:09:53.210 - 01:10:02.120

more people are work helped enemy, and they were very generous double shifts. This one girl, she used to play this game where you put

01:10:02.120 - 01:10:09.020

a quarter in and try to get a doll out or whatever. She probably about a 100 Stuffed stuffed animals.

01:10:09.020 - 01:10:19.680

She she she she was electrician. That was that was good. At the end. They they started they

01:10:19.680 - 01:10:24.610

started getting a lot of women into skill traits. She was electrician with one, it was a pipe fitter.

01:10:24.610 - 01:10:36.780

We're couple that were pipe fitters. In fact, the one girl said she like LSA him, she didn't give number one on a test. They give you adjust the course

01:10:36.780 - 01:10:51.480

and you'll be pretty sharp for me to do high math and stuff. They don't do a do together. But I'm yeah.

01:10:51.480 - 01:10:57.620

Yeah. So you said all the all the presence and everything I was doing from people just was at

01:10:57.620 - 01:11:03.440

all in one certain shot. No. No. Well, they did throughout the plant. There are a lot of areas did

01:11:03.440 - 01:11:17.160

a two-year others that they're worth up to the women's committee. They had a I think I called Angel Tree or some and I'm not sure what they got it,

01:11:17.160 - 01:11:22.910

but they gave it out that the poor kids or some people bringing stuff in for this angel tree or something like that.

01:11:22.910 - 01:11:29.670

I'm not maybe one of the other people who worked in those areas will bring us up to what they did at the end.

01:11:29.670 - 01:11:42.170

The last, oh, I'll say ten years. They went to hit teams. Teams like like Aren't we don't January team on first chef there

01:11:42.170 - 01:11:49.910

was to him than he had at each each area would have a team that have team leader. And they would, instead of

01:11:49.910 - 01:11:55.010

a form and on all the stuff they come back to performance, the team leader will take care of you in your area if you need it glows

01:11:55.010 - 01:12:02.390

or you need to go to bathroom. Honey, I know you'll do when you go and you break, you'll go to bathroom.

01:12:02.390 - 01:12:07.490

Well, maybe later on you have to someone who had come over and do your job. Well, the team leader come over and I give you

01:12:07.490 - 01:12:17.790

an emergency brake to go to bathroom or yeah. Or maybe you had emergency phone call or course cell phones now who would benefit? Everybody would have a cell phone.

01:12:17.790 - 01:12:23.990

I know what I would love to see how it would be with LFOs there because we didn't have on that. Yeah.

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I can I can call I can call my coordinators. Hey, I need this or that. No. Cell phones would have been at all. It might be great.

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It might've been something else. Yeah. I don't know. Might have been a 0. Never really thought about it much,

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but it might have problem with my been hell texting. Might have had problems people texting or making phone calls and all.

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Yeah, you're right. I'd never thought about that. Why could see people Texan. Texan and missing job?

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Missed what you said Mr. Job energy. If you Mr. core, MR. Job, yeah. Maybe maybe you're put on license plates and you

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forget to put license plate on your identity, your texts. And I don't want to do is use thumbs up or you could add contexts.

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Okay. I get text, I don't text and drive. Now. State law now you can't

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tell if he can't drink drive either. They they'll do it though. I guess some people there. Anything else When I hope I gave you some new stuff there?