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Because Roberta Perkin and today is Tuesday, March 13th, 2007. And I'm here to think on a church with Reverend Herman Congo to share

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his experiences growing up and living at iron hill and gone to the eye and he'll school. Mr. Reverend Congo,

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would you tell me your full name? And when you were born? Hairy Herman Kahn though? Born March the 16th, 1939.

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And what were you born? You? Newark, New York. Okay. When do you when did your family loci now, we always live than nowhere it will decay.

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That's considered new work where we lived, where on the oval and more pipe go? Nowhere on hills up for what is cool it off again.

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Okay. So what would your connection with the with the iron Hill Community? I here talking with the other harvested. Their family name meant him all the time.

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Well, my father, he was he was one of the leaders of the community. That must be everybody

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thought it looked up to him and use him for their guide and all of that and he would I get that that planning like

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a trustee of the school. And so he was quite involved when looking in blue and the community,

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what would your father thing? Howard condo. Okay. And I can leave me a question after that.

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Now, what what did your father that worked for DuPont? He worked for the right. Okay.

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Of new work at that time. Right. Was more or less equivalent to the duplicate, that layer, thumbnail and the banks

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and then mills and all that. He would lay right Cliff he worked the other Postmaster General. Come back and buy.

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I will go get you to tell me. You're in your mother's name? Rebecca, kind of. Okay. With her maiden name?

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Richard. Richard. Where they both from Delaware? Yes. Okay.

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How many siblings did you had? It was 14. Do you care to share the name? I probably couldn't even call loader name.

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From a defeat point. That this time we add only four out of the limit. Okay.

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Robert, Congo senior. No, Congo. In a way. I can know. And Peter, Congo.

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And Michael on give me an idea of what it would like for you. I'm going to I and down when did you what years did you go?

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39 and fix run-on. I'm 940 thick. And you went to all great. But what your teacher?

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Many rider, the rider. Oh, she like, what do you remember? That very night lady and I feel that one that was

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really interested in the children and the kids. And he would do anything he could to try to help you learn.

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And he was a very good teacher. Very good. And many times she would always take us someplace in our media. He, if he, if he

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did good and declared throne, he would take you a little key. We've talked to my dad or heavy upper house for a company.

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What would three? It would be good to her eyes. Maybe have ice cream and cake and compliment that were compacted.

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Just take it for us doing this by thumped them. Did that caused you to work harder and strive to keep?

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That? Did yes, we did. Because he would always look for the ones that

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was really trying to do something and going forward. What were the cold day like? It doesn't matter from

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first to the fifth grade. Whether you like it. Yeah, like from the beginning, what was it like for you to get up?

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You can give us a picture. I knew what it was, what was for me. I use the likelihood of school. I like school and I like being with

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people and learning different things. I enjoyed through all the years. Then I went What down, but with somebody left me in class.

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The clients that we had math. I love math. I just couldn't wait to get into the math, spelling and get the bedpan. We call it arithmetic, that it was man.

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And and then we had like like a, like a focal studies we where we read and studied the world history. The minimum thing.

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Did you have local local history that she did she do with her? Yes, she had from a local history and me. Okay.

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Oh, I ask you about social theory and whether or not had let them from Delaware hit Clear. We had someone Delaware history and a lot

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of the loops on black history. We learn quite a bit about slavery and all that. In elementary school. Did you ever put on

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program around yourself for 30 the equivalent at all that concerned the left and she would have a little

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like little plays and stuff like that. Really be a part of you play the part of someone and do different things like that.

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Do you remember what you did to prepare for them and what about the core in the palm? How did the heat it?

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We add the gray big hug believe though, that sometimes we have them get closer to that stood, get worn live then after you get started,

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DRA both responsibility what that will take care of it with a gentleman by the name of the Mr. Brooks. He was the one that would

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be there to start the car. Make sure everything was good for the day. What he like they normally like Bert. Bert.

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Bert. Bert. Bert. Beyond your pay out the flattening. What do you like the coal maintenance person, we compare the failure.

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Okay. For hiring. I get through my father and they probably aren't people who were

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in charge of the night. I don't know how you got a robust to this date or rather lay gave them so much. When you said through your father with

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your father on the PPA. Ppa. And here's Prego that. And it was one that was more or less in charge of the

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whole width here of the school. So he probably your father had to interact with the with the with

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the State Education in London and the superintendent. And they, they knew him very well. He knew them very well.

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For them. The PPV, PTA meetings and all that will be the one that would be in-charge.

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Okay. Do you remember anything about a bus transportation committee that you found involved with that? I remember that that year.

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If I'm not mistaken, I figured like when I was probably in maybe the third or fourth grade that they had some kind

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of transportation for it. But prior to that, we add the walk to school, which was like a mile and pump them

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one way every day. Then they get involved with this man by the name of the route of Valentine.

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And he had on like a panel truck that he had some benches and things that he had pick a

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Not at our door, but he'd pick a cup down at a crossroads from the house and take us. And sometimes he'd take it back home

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it if the weather was bad, but most stymied this trapezoid, we pick a topic. They call it wonderful A3.

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It wasn't a one-way, two-way ride and whatnot one way right now. But that was later years. It wasn't a woman when I

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started when I was in the first way, we had to walk all the way in that I'm fan I was probably about a fourth grade

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when we start getting transportation. Do you remember your parents talking about meeting with the fade and having difficulty then I think it

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had to do with getting transportation for iron heel beyond iron him. Yet. Many times I've heard my father, you know, talked about that.

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We were trying to get us transportation. They go to to high school in junior high. And at one time we had when my brother

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and my brothers and sisters before me, they had to go to Howard and they transportation or go on however, they advocate for train

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every day to go to the how and then which our school district would have the new work. But by the segregation,

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we had to be transported all way to Middletown. That's the only transportation we could get. We get transportation to go to

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new at night even after row after the segregation, which is like 50, 50. We still had to go to Middletown.

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And then I figure looks like in the Leader sick. Then they start providing transportation for the kids to go

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through new working class notes like this. How difficult would that pull your your your family being on a board and just the

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transportation group, it fell to get the date. To help you with complications beyond iron out and remember,

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I can't remember all of it, but I know it's quite difficult because I used to play sports and I had

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no transportation from school in Middletown to partake in the sports. And then after I got a little bit older, my father had a car

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and I had one of my friends drove the car. I wouldn't know enough to drive it. But he that one of my friends that was that live not too far from us.

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One of the Lewis's drove the car that aggregates data and play sports. We have any kind of transportation for their school activities or schoolwork.

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When you went to Middletown, how long did you How long did you you can go to Middletown Through what grade? Through 12. Okay.

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How Tell me a little bit about how your family it has an interesting history and theory on how your family got involved and

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they were community oriented. You know, where that came from? I I really don't know all of it, but I know that

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a lot of people look up to my father because it is a little different than the ordinary people in the community and the people

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that he worked for, right? They always would would work with him to get whatever he tried to DVR or how did the guard to get good at

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getting helping him to work with the board of education than the state. And then two, to get involved,

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had him involved in all that to be a part of that so that this could happen? I think the hiring of

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community and Nicole benefited from that. Yes. Yeah. Because like I play they they

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most of the people that you're probably even talked to this day in time from on healed? Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah. My father was more prominent person in the community. And mostly all the families look up to him and

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it was any kind of sound advice or something that they would be looking good. They come to him and he would

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try to happen much steer them in the right direction. I've also a calico come off. Your family involvement with

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them taking an orphan periodically. Hey, how did how did that come about? I don't know. I guess I can go back to

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my my my grand parents. They list I guess they knew where they came from and they didn't want other people to not

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have nothing that they could help them in some kind of a way. And then my father's family and my mother was in the same way

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that I know many times. Some of the people that you have probably even talk to my father and mother was a big help to them.

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Because we had a we had a good size form. And they will come to the house to get a good milk or meat or potatoes and all that. And my mother was one

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that was just like a cheerful giver. He gave way. And then they look up to Renee, thank her for that.

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And we just forget he was glad that we were in a position that we could do that. And then my father, he was

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another one that I'll use to buy a family farm is to go to the AMP, the AMP, them. And he would go there and

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get like some plants, like day-old bread and stuff that was still good that he was able to come back and

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distributed through to community and give it that people. Tell me a little bit about your grandparents. What were their names and

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where are they from? Delaware. Okay. Yes, My grandparents or Delaware? I don't know too much about them because they they I guess I was

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quite young when when they passed. What was your grandfather? My grandfather's name was no. Condo and ethanol I right?

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Yes. Okay. Caning think Henry memory now, let me jump back to you being in school. You said you went to iron Hill from 1941.

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Thing here, what the ply were available to you, to you that book, pencil in our writing. Clinton it the only supplies then

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the school gave us was MOOCs. But all the paper and pencil and all that we add supply that ourselves. How did that money come from

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the teacher to accompany the TAM? For them? Know their company more apparent. For tablets and pencil, crayon, the Northern. Right? So one of the things that parents have

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to apply, our lunches. Okay. I think we're lucky they were cooking it cool. But apparently okay.

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At that time, they only that but what about the only way we would get something? And the school was like if they had like a

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little social or something like that, then they will give you maybe high dose if it's behind me. So tell me about what you remember of the

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social with the door Nicole per day or sometimes it would be like in the evening. After school.

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We would have like a little gagging and then sometime be a little square dance. And they would have this photo. And it's over to you by

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high Bo solar that whatever they had ice cream to raise money. So were you able to move the data around? They weren't bolted to

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the floor at that moment. Now in that we couldn't know they were bolted to the floor. Okay.

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When you one what about water? What did you use for him and how did you get your clinical spring water? We add to the buoys go

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the older boys would go to the spring and get the water and bring it back to the school. But that one today.

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Sometimes twice a day. What wasn't wanting for drinking water? There? We go ready to get it out of

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the spring and bring it back to the food. Brilliant. So did you have your own club for here? We had we had our own curbs.

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Your own personal cockpit? Yeah. In that cafe, the pool, and sometime and then later

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years they started Even paperclips. Okay. But I can remember when we created our own cups.

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You feel happy right now. But we could get an artifact for the M. Okay. What about healthcare?

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Healthcare per day? How would that taken care of the state and adapter that will come. I think it was twice a year.

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And they would check your health and that the Anita I think sometimes these to give us needles and stuff like that. And then we add another dennis that would

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come and check the teeth and if he needed teeth extractions and all that, they do it with

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article I can't remember really cool video to school or not. Okay. I don't think no. No. Okay.

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Remember do you remember either event? If I'm not mistaken, I think the name of Dr. Wilson. Here. Remember the nurse? They use the gum.

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Okay. What about the Docker? Docker. What about the superintendent? Would all if they have

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a superintendent coming by? And I can almost remember their names, myths was born one and Hecker. Seem like they used to come and

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maybe two or three times a month at each frequency. What happened when making well, the teacher would always

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rider would always go over some of the work that we were doing with them and have us to do a little somethin, I'm going to say

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a little something to show them. Tell a pilgrim about where we were doing in the classrooms and how we were doing. Did they ever, to your knowledge

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and now impacting in-app, if you were a young kid, to your knowledge, did they ever give a report on the teacher, how they fall,

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how to put on we're going to be poor coin. It seemed like every week, I believe we got a report card today to show how you were doing

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and I think some of it I think my Susquehanna most very quickly. He felt that he feet the feet. Now if I don't love her daughters,

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them had a quite a few of her report current combat, I'll make a note of that. And had to divide and make a copy.

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I don't think that's possible. Okay. Okay. I will on activity in school other than your reading, writing, and arithmetic,

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are Kamprad game did have a little library, extra book bags that you could then if you want them to bomb and take them home and bring them back.

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How many were there? A lot are helpful. Oh, I would say they must the head P20 put the loop.

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Now with that thump and did the full provide data with that? I'm not here to be thicker. Did they, did they didn't have

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special tour other than learning what yet? Maybe like take the flag down and come up with the picking up the tray, the paper around in an

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empty in the wastebasket. Clean in a Blackboard golf and every every week, the different ones that

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will do different thing. Do you remember on the older student. Helping younger students? Yes.

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Did you ever do that? Yes. But what I'd like for you from kind of the peak,

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you will have us to do that. We would have us have the older ones to help the younger ones with some of their homework and some of the study.

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Which was very helpful because I know the older ones used to help me. And then when I got to be a little older than I was

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able to help them defend. Take 151. The tape one vibe to your teacher,

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mythic mythic writer. Did she have her own transportation? Yes. He lived in Newark

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and higher own transportation. You remember? Chevy. Okay. What that unusual then?

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Most people had heavy or poor. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. What did unusual for a woman and her uncle? Yes, it was because

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too many women at that time had cards. But I get like school teacher, though. That will go until deliberately, being a housewife had their own care.

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And what decodable into one of my BFA claim. Did he have any problem for that number? Now because he was pretty firm in if she told you to do thumped the knee,

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they did it or at that time maybe you the paddle. And he didn't line using the panel though. You would do if she coded.

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And being like everything worked out very well. Whether you always have one or two people who always get in trouble

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no matter how hard they conative and compound that can happen here will be then your number or anything like that? Every hand we had a couple of

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the older boys that would try to stand up to, you know. But he didn't he didn't let anyone get away with anything

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because I get I get he felt as though that if the younger people could see that with older ones get away with doing something, delay the trial.

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But on but she didn't that and sometimes he was expelled from school. They couldn't come back and go, whoa. Hang on. I guess that was

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a good experience for us to see that and to know that. Because I know if I got put out of school for doing something wrong.

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So I might be trying to bond and a whole would mean getting hit with a major event WordNet. It was a different time.

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It was my father, you know, he was one that you had to do what was right. And if you didn't do what was

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right, he'd be right on it. And then I think sometime that I had One of the mean It's fathers in the world.

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But as I began to get old and the one that polity to law school and I realized that it was all for my benefit.

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And, um, and I did think that that happened during my time of coming up with especially then happened in

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full holiday. Activity. That outdoor activity we have. I will do activity in May, which we call Mayday.

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And to know three of the schools would come together and we will compete again. Sports different thing.

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Now on how I decide which tool but come together if the proximity to one another, yet to be like the

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at that time it was a school way down here called Glasgow School. And it was another h2 and Christiana Christiana school.

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Though the three of us, Glasgow quit, piano, nano would come together. And some time it would be maybe

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the event would be an automatic payment. At the end. He said a threefold. The preschools we come together

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and compliant with the ad, maybe the one you will be at the Glasgow School, one-year be Christiana school,

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and then the next year with a high inhale, fill the different schools each year to really get together. Do you know why that occurred?

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Up? Later years, I I felt that it was more like a social activity and bring in bringing us together to let us know that,

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you know, that we're a part of, instead of being separate, separated by yourself, but being able to bring

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three schools together like that. It made you think that, you know, well, we're all part of this overall activity.

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Good, aren't they putting iron now have a Vulcan. Now we get header own little. What were some of the gain that,

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that, that played either goal at that time, we used to play sometime a bit baseball, dodgeball, and volleyball. That were the three weekly.

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But with the equipment life, we had 90 equipment. You didn't know baseball gloves are nothing like empathy with you?

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Yeah. Nice, bold and nice bath. And I think the state would furnish that for the school. You play, they fall ended

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and we had to we had a big big bold follow. Okay. Not not not really a hard one. Yeah.

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And then some other peg glow like those that really could, uh, who would have a glove, you had a globe. And then come time he didn't you felt bad

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about having a glove because nobody else had one, which I used to have a glow, but most times I let somebody

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else to share with them. What would your interaction with the other children in the community like an Apgar score

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during the phenomenon. What could you do? Not file the Eden. Another thought, too much interaction. We add our little tours at

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the farm that we had to do and all that. So maybe on a Saturday or something like that, you could go out and

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maybe interact a little bit during the week when the other boys was fish and then plan mole and all that, we weren't allowed to do that.

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We had to do our tours and all at home and swim, and we had a couple of quick Twitter used to those women.

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We could go maybe once or twice a week. The width the width was not an everyday thing that we could go. From her vacation for you all with clean

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like, I'm in my father, he would always take us like two different parks or to the Harrington fair and

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we'll always be going someplace. I went to summer. Did did you all Purdue thing, thing to show or follow the hand thinking,

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okay, we have our lifestyle. We add cows and pigs that leave her there. What was that like for you? I love that.

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Yeah. What did you do? We have to clean them and keep them clean them. And they would be more or

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less like Pat. You know. If you can get an iframe pen with them and you don't want to come for Showtime, you Being able to have them under control.

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But when we react and create really well nervous for, but sometimes, you know, when, when a lot of people would be around them,

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they will get all excited, but that really had them stay pretty calm. Did you win any rhythm? Yeah. Now I may add thumb.

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What we're betting that like for you and your family, going through the heart here and compare whether it was when I went

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to high school with Future Farmers of America. And you could if he had things that you wanted to exhibit,

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you can have it down there connecting to fair. So keep your GTR was the one that the way that the pig think them

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there was something different because at that time I think that pink and I know that I was the only black that had anything or

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add an exhibit that I had to pair that are going on, What would that likely on what you experienced any difficulty.

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Now, once we get down there because everybody was pretty much the same thing for the same reason. It was it was

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a different experience relay at that time, I I never even thought about being black because most of our neighbors and most

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people in our community were white. And I never, I never knew too much about segregation until I got older.

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Because we play with the wake is just saying we did with the black ones and a mostly white people that play.

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Did you ever question, think about why the white children went through different colon from you. Once.

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I guess I must have been a second or third grade when we used to have to go pass the weight school, go to the black school.

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And I used to ask, my mother, said, Well, why can't I go to that school? She said Because you the wrong color. And I just couldn't understand why.

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And it took a little time to think. And then we adding the path of school, which was they have this good to go to another school.

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And then add heres. By then I realized what was going on. But I I never I never really experienced that until I

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really got into high school. Okay. But you went to the lip reading and hospital. Now, how did you experience

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racial differences when you read an all-black school? Well, hi. Begin to take

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experiencing when I was in school was because there was a lot of times that when we play sports, we would have to pay sport against

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all the black schools and white schools. And then I can remember one time when I was down to that, which the college at that time,

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we were going to the same track me that the University of Delaware was going till. So our coach say,

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well, why can't we ride on the same bus? And the coaches agree. But then they said that it would be an embarrassment because if

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we stop for rest barrier or rest place, the white could go in and the black. So that's when I really began to experience the differences.

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You remember what year that was? 58, my first year ago. And then it was integration. But it was still segregating.

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Go back. Even when I went to Delaware. The data was the little joke story to tell. There was one in Dover.

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Name a friendly this thinking it was good when Angular. So we put up to the counter. And they said We thought we can't serve you.

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But everybody in there with FERPA and that their speech doesn't fit there. So then a lady came back again to review.

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For. Then here comes the manager who comes out and he says, We just don't niggers am a baker. Well, we didn't answer that.

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We asked for Coke. We didn't know when we did that right there and then onto people football around

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with the infant experiences. So with that Brown versus the Board, segregation and in 1954,

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with your theory, what did that mean? What did that? You know, the lady that was involved and that surely below stamps her and I was Pali.

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In fact, I am just a few years ago that she advocates. And in fact, when he passed, he lived in our house.

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And her mother was so determined that she was going to send her to school. She would drive her to school. She will make sure that she put

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her on the bus. That was common task. That has to kick everybody out though. She put her on the bus. And that's when everything

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began to blow content. But they wanted to keep ME. So what was that like for you and your family experiencing that

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you knew the people personally in our day-to-day walking that drama unfold. It it was it was quite an experience because I know that with Lewis reading,

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motel reading, and I don't know if you remember George Wilson. The coin inky Wilson. Okay. Yeah.

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I used to be with them a lot of times at different places where we were going for when this one with a break and I and I can remember

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one faraday that we were in the Deer Park Hotel in Newark. And we went in there on a Saturday morning. Just AS for some Lewis reading,

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answering Mr. Ray Nance for coffee. And they said, Oh, we don't serve coffee. And he said write down

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your server and everybody else coffee. Can we get some coffee? So he can. Okay.

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Though, the manager came out and they care of this clothing and are covered with like $30 a cup and 40 now the club and all that.

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Okay. But while we were inside and look, Mr. ready. Okay. Well, all I wanted to rethink, not pay you whatever you want.

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But while we were inside, labor tell on a car the way our parking lot. And when we came out all the cards with the three cards

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that we were in, colon and Anki Wilson went off. He got on the tow truck, man, called him up,

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main brain that car back. And I know it was allow our buddies tell my KOH prep man, my car was over here.

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I want it back over here. The guy that got it over there. No. Six inches valid the other way and again, couple hours working with it and have

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all that experience running that I went through with them and their locations that we run on, different things like that.

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But that was one of the biggest ever involved in. And then I began to realize that said, I just can't believe

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people hate people like that. And they, they just didn't want to know about their Oliver. And then even as much as segregation was

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supposed to bend over. And then I experienced again when I went in in the middle, fix these. And in Jacksonville, thought

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Carolina and span a very wide, none above long line. But all the way people had to get on. And then when you come time for us to get

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on, the bus is full, we had to wait on a much newer and Military Prep. Mb.

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Didn't mean nothing. But were you able to get a bead on a Mac? But on the second button, it will go almost literally.

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We just barely got on the second one. And that would go where? Come back home and motivate them home. Mm-hm.

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Mm-hm. Mm-hm. That wasn't who were named the neighborhood that you grew up with,

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the white and you can be and it comes through. Mccormick's can do it. I think Margaret.

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Margaret and I believe monkey, monkey, monkey me. Okay. How do you think the education that you got? Purview, if you want on why?

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I really, even till this day, I know that was the root of my education because that's where I started. And I was able to keep

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on building on that foundation. But I really got the foundation from which gave me the mind to, to study and want

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to study and want to be felt. It would be somebody. Do you think that approach to teaching continued for

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you but lower celebrating I know with a bigger school? Yes. Yes. Because when I got there, look how reading

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their teachers was very much interested in the student and the education. But I always tell everyone that, that my roots and my foundation come from 90.

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Good memory for that. What do you think of them? How do you feel about the crop back of the store

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in the building going on and making sure that the theorem that the book I am I'm just sorry

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that I am unable to get with you because I think it was something very much, very much needed to

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restore the old memory and make that happen. Do you think it important? Excuse me, poor people in general, especially today, through them to

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know what it was like to get an education, a one-room school, and how important and valuable than education, why you're playing a

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different I really do because I I one day plan to take my kids and my kids around them, but I feel plan to take them and

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show them inside of the school. And like I tell people, I don't brag about it, but I had to tell him that,

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you know, I come from a one room schoolhouse. And a college graduate. And then even furthered my education. Now, I become a little bit,

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but it started at that one. Goes below that. What point did you decide you wanted to become a desert?

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Get into ministry. And I was 2023 years old when I started in administering. It was just so many things that was happening

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in my life and my uncle, he was a minister and eat it. He can hear me, but I think that fluid telling me that something

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needed from Q to become and get involved in the ministry and in his 30s are there. And then I play method.

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I'm not ready for nothing like that. And you stand up and preach to people. So things begin to happen to me. Like I had a hernia operation

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which is sort of minor, but when they gave me the anesthesia, I never came to alcohol well, and I think like 78 o'clock at night.

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Good morning till eight o'clock that night delay by B, maybe an industry which they called somatic motor,

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little bit plane frame, the first bit in the game and error where my lung had collapsed. So then I get out of that.

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The next thing I know that 130 lose dawn and terrorism building. Now riders foot and Padma. And the whole house

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that wasn't supposed to come down, collapse and on, down on there, all that debris. And this client has like in a calm

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a semicolon to this company came to me theta. For the third straight, you're going to be to preach the word to word and

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then filled the next day or so my mother was that the bid guide and motivate the cat. There were there and they were

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sprain and my mother was begun and lower, please don't take me and came home. He said, Mom, I'm alright, because I had made my commitment to

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the Lord that I will go do whatever you want. And then when I got out of hospital, I just asked the Lord Lord, I just don't want to the downtown.

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I don't want to be ignorant to the word it. Let me go back to school and study the word so that when I stand up before the people that

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want to be able to tell him thumb, I don't want to get then up a little bit. We'll n k2, 51.