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Perkin to side one. And we aren't speaking. I am speaking with an electric lower. Continuing along our line conversation

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about your friend and he did in the general community, did you have heartbeat I know tallied like the baseball, football soccer behind.

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Did you have any particular thing that you like to do? I know I said a way, a very tight got little GIF path there.

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See you sell the sea to various people and then you win a prize. And one of those prizes well, the camera and because

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I can't recall any baby pictures of myself. When mother apparently never had any. My grandparents that they had him. I never saw him.

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I think up to like 10 years old. I remember a picture myself. In that picture was taken the new school. Okay.

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And I delineates what are typing all the designs in a unified I think I still have that picture today.

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Thumb, we're not the only one I remember myself as a youngster. Some of my art may have, but I've never seen one.

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So I got this little camera. And so from this point on, that camera, I guess I take pictures. I don't know what I've taken pictures.

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But I do remember that camera. And even to this day, I'm still a camera bug. Do photography now. Okay.

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And yeah, so that's the hobby that I apparently started from seed and got my camera first one and then I ended up

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still doing that within my heart. Did you do that? I do that. Did you doing well, number 1, do you remember what the what

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the camera will kind of thing? I think of the ends go north of 127, something like that. Yeah.

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Wrote down yay, yay, roll film The remember that? And take a still picture in a sense. That first camera.

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And I think there was another one I may have gotten later on. Can you look down to where they had the time? I guess they weren't re cameras,

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but they would account for a kid. And I do remember that. Any other hobbies the play marbles, carry around in our pockets

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and basically just every day. It's something different. Not to stick on anything. You never say that did on a routine basis?

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What we just did, whatever wherever we had to do. I was fascinated. I was fascinated with the ITIL young people with weapons, guns and stuff.

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But my dad and grant based upon a lot and always fascinated with that type of stuff. But they always kept them locked up.

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And I don't know if I need to tell the story and not going anywhere. He always kept them locked up in every day.

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I would check curious, prep, very curious, but I love that. Yes. I did check every day going cabinet best when they came back and company.

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B lot. One particular day at home moment, the store. Did you want me to you? Okay. Thank you. I'm going to unfold in the story.

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I checked your gun cabinet every day at one particularly at home by myself and I went by current that lock and open it back up.

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To my surprise. Here, if I was I was so I felt look and feel it. And I climbed up

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the top shelf and look up there and there with a gun up their guns all in a cabinet. But one took my interests

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and I grabbed it out and I knew enough to take the clip out of the 45 caliber. Knew enough to take

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the clip out of the thing, took it out and not looking at gun enough fit down the floor. Hey, look around and looking at

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a point in a moment, needs at home at that time, I watch my little needs. Kamila Harris, she was sleeping.

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And so I felt body still pushes the heater and living in the living room by the window and a hard chair, kitchen chair.

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I would sit and look at the clip was on the floor. And I looked down the barrel and I looked all over and I

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look and I held it down towards the floor. Look on down the slide. And next thing I know, I pull the trigger and

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go and hit me in the way. My knee and didn't bleed. It, fused it like a real black blood dark blood in him shot again.

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Rip my pants wide open. Course, what what do I do? You don't scare. And we had either hardwood floors and they weren't finished,

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strengthen that nature. So there the throw up near the stat which went into our kitchen and it

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went sooner near that throw up. So I pulled through. It didn't make a great big hole. We did it decrease then splitter,

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you seek to splinters. And I push this button down. And Puerto Rico for a course, you tell your dad, your parents,

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that this is the node that, you know, nobody nobody knew it and why should I tell? So I get on the phone and call my buddy Bill.

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Pad is chapter seven and I thought, No, you didn't know you didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, you gotta you gotta come down.

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Come cross the feel is by half a mile more, you know, if it gets there. The third talking about a kilometer thing, you put me put

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the clip back and the guy put it back though the cabin. And in this day I never knew what a casing way.

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Never thought about the casing. And so we put them ben occur Al-Qa'ida paying on it just to keep the infection out of gas.

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You know, it never really a great big LOS is that mushroom. But if you think about that now, I think I was like, well,

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think about that now. What could have happened? If I, I'm not an art that scripture for us to grow in grace.

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So you're grow and Biao, Yan and curie. And that happened to me. And it could have bloom, a legal advocate of sandwiched up and hit,

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although nice could've been out there. You know, I could've done a lot of damage, plainly guy. So you hear about that a lot.

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People claim a guns should paint with guns. Who was always laugh at that one particular time I checked every day will open and bouffant like it.

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But that pop that open. But he nevertheless definitely before my my fault for for being curious and want to see

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what their neck or should he sat me down and told me about the gun. But he didn't know how curious I was. A PA sat me down and told me about the guard.

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Let me handle the gander or show me God, let me shoot the got it might have been different. Yeah. But from that point on,

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perspective of guns, weapons, I went to military some five years later and I got very respect of gun weapon.

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I learnt that safety is number one weapon to stuff. And it's very scary to think about it now. Never worked at a hospital.

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Thumb ten years later, when I used to go honey and various things with my dad's weapons thing wasn't that he had I had one picnic day.

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I told much about guns. Could I taught my son, my son how to about the gun? Potent story. So couple of urine the past and

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we've spoken about some things and my father were there, other people there and he said, then I'm going to time you got

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dead that gun and shot is definitely what I'm grow now in him, but dad never knew anything about that. He kind of looked up looked up at me,

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and he never said a thing even then in arithmetic big and I never thought anything about it then no one

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ever knew there'd be in the bill URL. And I never told anyone for the longest time. I tell the story now to the children. Because of how curious

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you are that dangers always there hasn't been one in the chamber with always the one that gets you that you don't realize it happened.

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So I try to tell him and a sense that safety person never trust what you see on the outside and

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the inside though it damaging. That's the store he did everybody don't know. Um, I don't know. My mother never knew them now happening.

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They never I mean, nobody ever saw that this manner even in the spring floor and wondered, even though you've pushed the word

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down, parity, not never never, never approached me about it. I didn't think anything

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of it because I know they must have seen while the floors and not kept the way they are today. And that's shiny, glossy, glow whatever.

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And the spinner, you know, it's just a part of the wear a pair of more? Yeah. Okay. How would type floor

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but they wouldn't haughty polished or anything. All right. And the lumber units, so it's like a little splitter.

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And that really stuck with me a long time. Even now. I got to mark the womb, this shell it to prove that.

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Have a fortunate Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. I got them a light bulb time now. And that's why the test I reflect back on testimony that as a young child had been,

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you know, are not telling the story right now. A weapon or talented missing part of the language?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because just so happened. I mean, the chance to skim shot, just nicking you, you know,

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I had it all over my faith and for the longest time nor with Washington after me then. Why? Young age?

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After iron here. What would you went to? North separating school. Okay. Correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Now, did you on to that there was a bot from the community that took time. How do you mean? I mean to I'm sorry to have it open already.

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Yes. There was a matter of fact, just to back up just a little bit about the bus to aren't hill, even the bus on a hill.

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We had several drivers. I do remember one named moody. I used to drive the bus when he owned a bunch of that, whatever.

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There with another name, left him with moody. And then matter of fact, my father law right now, had driven above from time to time,

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the little schoolwork On Hill. Herbert Neil, OK. And I'm there to do it. And then he told the story after we, after we hit,

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after we've married everything that piece to pick up that little spot of the boy. Hello, unpleasant. I really get on

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the bus and the fight over a seat. And an ISO standard, probably the thing that makes them move out of my seat. And not knowing that

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I was going to be the one marry his daughter. 30. And sure enough, he used to drive the button time to time in. And I married his daughter.

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So predestined and so on, what we're turning white, Annabel, okay. She or he didn't go to I go to Athens. Joe's, another colored school.

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And yeah. But her father drove the bus, picked me up to take me back to work the whole into some years later,

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I show up one thing with the door fell. So he won the drivers are hill that we made a transition to. Most are ready School.

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Mr. Rudolph Valentino, he with the bus driver to live down the rail, come up our house and Credit Valley. And he was the bus driver

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started out with me, I think. And there's the other bus drivers, Smith, when he couldn't do it, he would have someone else do it.

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Mr. Rudy took us back and forth to Boston, Middletown. And of course you couldn't top of that on the buses.

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You couldn't talk at all. You get on a bus, you spit out because the driver, he respected a driver so much that you did

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your homework on a bus or for use with asleep on the bus, you didn't talk yet. Move around. And we

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welcome our hill to Middletown. Took us the hour and better and get their thoughts. I think by 80 miles

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or something like it more. In the middle panel, the ferritin school every day online one way.

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And then the bus would pick us up after school and bring it back vain way. We did that for my fifth grade year 2 to my ninth year.

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I went to school for years. And of course we had another bus driver with Marion. Marion wins. When I went to school for Mr. Rudy,

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parenting get older and I don't know if he died between that time or not. But marrying whales took the bus route over and she drove the bus.

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Gets from my in my great aunt maybe two or three years after Mr. Rudy doctrine. And so validate sliding off

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from the fourth grade to fifth grade. Different teachers where you see a lot more people. Mark your classes?

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Larger class. Bathroom, classroom? Yes. In fifth grade, we did more activities. Especially when you went to

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the auditorium type thing, you know, the courageous down a hallway and your eye, rubber neck and all that painful, you never say anything, you know,

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big that big before. And are we go to the gym for any type of physical activity. It was exciting to do that.

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So you're proud to say that she went to Los I read in school because there was a gray from one to 12.

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Even though they had great wonder, wonder by what. But Ara are poor so we didn't get it. So our new people, people we knew,

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we met we met him and kept great. Other than a few people, they went from 20 to Middletown with us, you know, an hour. Remember one.

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That was my class rather than a range within my class that we went to middle count together. What we went in

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the same classrooms when we got there. It was like five AFI be okay. Okay. And then there are other people that I knew,

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but in that classroom, I think I'm the only one. Lamont Hill and he was another classroom. I'm going do you remember how many students?

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And if it's all one, great, great, great. I'm thinking, do you remember how many students it MacKinnon by 2531 time.

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Things change for you? Yes, a lot. With what but you know, I got fed up and back. I'm a quicker to change with Gary.

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It didn't hurt your graph in your report crime. Now, I still did my work. I love to do work at day that said,

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I could go to school. So much exciting thing to do is Google, I guess. Like a misspelling me,

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I still love my spelling. Okay. Even though the bat I even include, am I reading you did better math, right? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have my reading and stuff. Yeah. So the school transition wasn't bad at all.

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To me, I just did well. I wasn't a small kid. I wasn't a big kid. I will just do parallel, same size all the others.

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Well, I've never picked on men fat guy. I held my own because I grew up with a bunch of Henri bigger kids and

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I could fight up ahead to in fifth grade. I never recall Friday, sixth grade, Yes. I will I will call body three or four bytes. Then I had a sixth grade, seventh grade.

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I can't recall any place. Eighth, ninth grade yet. Yeah. And they're all 10th grade yet.

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But a instigating some of the byte, yes. I did that. But the PIP great transition from school to fifth grade, sixth grade. It was move for me.

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What would the atmosphere like in the classroom? Because an ion now, you know, teacher role and never

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with respect and caring. Could you did you find that they're one? Still some of that but there was a difference or not.

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Now there I think with the same it was the same in a black school to me. They cared for you. I remember all my teachers

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well, clarify field, Mr. Feel with my fifth grade teacher and a with a well-dressed man, short man, and very distinctive voice.

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And he taught well to me. I can't recall him banking fingers or beaten or anything that nature.

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I do my work, you know, sixth grade. Yes. Mr. Wright, Richard, right? Now, if you didn't spell

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things correctly, his class, you did that your eyes across UT, you get lucky on your hand or whatever. So there may me to learn, spell even better.

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Because he would definitely give you the yardstick. You learn in his plan. Your year 12. Dive into

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our pertain, donate time, integrate and you get rebellious than the data to change. Anticipating a dog.

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So you think, you know, and fill a gap. Hit add to the teaching that you don't know at all.

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And I got control here. I can show you by this yardstick. So would definitely England football coach, baseball coach for respecting help.

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Did you find as you went and you went up quickly, did you find that Disciplinary approach from here down term approach,

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it that tau tighter, more intense as she got older? Yes. Okay. You hear me okay. Okay. From this mini wire, first started teaching.

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Mr. Feel that great teaching you the more comfort you and whatever. Sixth grade you got punished by physically

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separate gray with the same thing. Um, or Sally Clark was her name is taught with a last name and

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she would definitely teach you. Messed up. I'll let you know. I can't recall are being made throughout Canada.

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I didn't mess up in seventh grade or tartar torch cart, PARP ART, Valley be cart. I remember the name it like that

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in the eighth grade. Was that with the challenge of where the teacher you do something on your 14?

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Yeah. Yeah. And and you do something great. The hip I'll look at your hay, you know, that type thing. Ellis Moody.

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Definitely beat you or throw something at you if you didn't do something. Either to the likey couple other teachers that and

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middle school was pretty tough on you. But you learn Mr. Friendly, a math teacher and they didn't play.

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I'm gonna give you learned. You're here to learn. I got mine, you got to get kind of thing. Hey person.

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Here's another one that would teach you, as long as you know the B and you got disobedient, that's where he got disobedient with you?

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I remember the librarian and API library at me with HR, the library one day. And as he told a joke at the all,

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got to class. I'm a millionaire. Everybody laugh. One particularly real kept on lap and she kept on latter after, but it's okay.

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I jokes over. He laugh and laugh and laugh, skip on that. I told you jokes over, you know. So I said if lower so he gets up,

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shake it up and runs down the hall. He takes him Bella and go after. And whoops, rolling back up to that thing. I told you j equals 0.

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Though that a thing that I remember about middle school and how to discipline you. Hey, there In the face. She dressed line, you know that.

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And so the knife gray and then the transition from Eagle to the white school, it can penetrate. A lot worse.

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Question. I was Christiana high school. That was the transition that was hard to pay football night. Great. So okay.

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It'll go to Christianity school would always put in time, think they've built that school 64. So 65.

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So the first gradually question of 65 and I was like stepping graduate. He said, okay, third thing. And so because Galois,

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five black, go to the school for we want to play football. First Here we go out for football. Things start to act crazy, kids.

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And so we end up quitting. Football team, a Meta back, graduate school. I didn't play that you take I want on the school.

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School. School was fun. Which 1? And then I quit school and the temporary quantitative 11th grade.

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I didn't go back to school for 11th grade because then my dad got all me said, you know, you go back to

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school and various things. And I don't want to feel young girl at school to my wife now. I went back to school for that November,

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I go back to the school. The principal companies that you know, you'd I got path already gave me path. So from that point on,

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that thought they'd my end. So I I I didn't miss a great. I went back to school November, and I bet my incomplete first markup here,

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but I made up for everything out there and I will but that's what I did. Quit school. Quantity level gray because of

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the circumstances at the school, all the other brand I probably would've done that day. But the circumstances there,

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I just didn't he wasn't right for me. So we graduate Christianity. Schools don't like. For black fur, they graduate from school.

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What were the teachers like comparing, I guess? What were they like? Yeah. And what was your feeling compared to what you had to up to that point?

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The teacher that the high school seemed like they didn't care too much. Because the class is that I was enrolled in general classes.

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It was nothing on a sense of where our technical nothing technical. A shop and those type things. You wouldn't hear to take

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a tablet business classes or four French classes or anything. Fancy to the any officer positions or whatever.

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The general classes that you to be a factory worker? To me, you know, the guidance counselor, they're never sat down, said, Okay,

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your transition from school to school, this is what you need to do. This what you can do. Guys, counsel, never.

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Whether my part to go to the Geiger counter, but being shy in a school, one place to another place, you're new and in

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just the transition like your parents feel about there. About about they never talked about it much. They never talked about it much at all.

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We had to do it. We add a delegate, gone to school. And I remember getting in a fight on the bus. And because we sat

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in the front of the bus at this time, and they got a few black on the bottom and spitball up to the front of the box, the white kid.

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And this time I was the only boy and above bigger boy. Girls have a gray to a few other was on the bus

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and an Ambien Bot go back here and beat the guy up. I'm going to put both high hat and my hand fill out like an in tenth grade,

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11th grade, country to country. And so I pick a fight with the Boeing. We're breaking it back when that above that, though, the bus driver stops to boss,

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puts me off the bug. And either walk home, which wasn't really far down until the next day,

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I tell my dad what happened fell we Ed equal to the school and then paper window. So deadly, the other family

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pay for half the window as well. So that's all today. I never really got all my guess that was the lesson.

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I wouldn't be adhered to. Tell the story of how it happened and why they were a day enough to wind up being posted out.

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Either put HMO pretty good meal in a second. Let him take his side one to side two. Mr. North, how did that incident make you feel even though both parents

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had to pay for that class? One kid got put off you and the other key to crack home, my home. I guess it is show

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me that prejudice still exist. Even then you know, how to put the 00. Maybe not there. We maybe still fight.

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I don't know, but I have to fight with broke up. You know, if he punish the other boy that I knew,

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I was embarrassed because when the bus pulled away, they were laughing and maybe feel pretty pretty low.

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However, I got back on the bus the next day or did I get back on the butt now? I think out off until the matter was settled.

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My parents I think I'll drop recover day. I don't know if the other cable off or not, you know, it just didn't didn't wasn't

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brought to my attention without the cave was riding the bus still or not. But I do remember that as two then. Now, you think why

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do you think happened, you know, I guess they happen because of a can you put on the spot and a third, you know, me being

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the only adult on and not adult black on the bus. Boy, you know, they were thoughts

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people toward our direction. So I'm going to defend my honor or a girl the honor and fat. And that's what happened.

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Whether appeal thigh forward now and that will happen again. I get anybody would do the same thing. In defense of just again, stop it.

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From the time we wrote a school bus, go on to law school, we said an estate and didn't do anything. Now we ride the school bus.

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All kinds of things going on on a school bus. And then you even though within the front area. And I ride a bus all the

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time because I was trying to pay for it. And after school, we stayed after school. But this particular my hand I knew my hand had been damaged for some reason

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and and I was right and scuba home and never happened. So this could have went on every day. I don't know. I guess

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that particular day that I was there. And the The girls kind of look to me, you know, moving on to the bus driver. He's not gonna say anything

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like the bus route that we were used to. We're gonna deal with a different world. I was reflected differently after that. I was respected differently after that,

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had no other crops in school. Friday, one other incident. Playing football. Course, the guys you got to take my position.

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Now, I can take the positions is playing like everybody else. I had a fight here. And after that by being good buddy there after that.

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And because I wasn't, you know, one, a wimp and they knew that. And so I didn't pick bite together. I did the rough a meter.

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Though, I'm not beautiful year. And thereafter school we went from a union B union a Catholic attempting a firstname,

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happy reunion, the 15th reunion. I want to now the only black at the reunion, my wife and on the other 2D graduated at the school.

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The other two the graduate school, three to graduate school with me. They never cared to go through billions there. But I read each one.

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I went to the football team, respected me and I respected them to undo all those guide and nerve branch.

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All I wanted to play it athletic, even though thumb knew I was in school and I found out afterwards that I know they were there,

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they knew I work but don't really all I got an email that they want to be friends that type them in. Okay.

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Though. It all changed in micro and become adult? Yeah. Yeah. It'll change filled out my school

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if if the segregation had continued. So you and the other students, I guess I should talk about you, had continued your schooling

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from grade one to grade 12 with the same type, the teachers, the same type of atmosphere in the caring, knowing the concern for getting at,

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do you think the quality of your education would have been better than what you've got making that move from predominantly black school.

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And then to the wasteful. I know we had to prove myself, which I, which was a challenge I will though it up again.

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I left that school, especially the which scolded when I left the blank, cool-looking Lutheran school. The challenge with for me to prove myself,

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especially when the vice particular case method, you're not going to do this. Myself. I know I can.

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Because the grade at the other schools, there are many believe that I can, you know, academically, company identify valid dinner

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and fill that shout when he said that, I just put my head throughput rate and one on it and made a FullAdder

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him rather than rather than myself. Did you find that the quality of what you knew, what the teachers had taught

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you in iron hill. And though it's already once you got into classes with white to you, you did or did not have traveled?

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Not doing the lesson. No, I didn't. I didn't not have trouble keeping up at all. The teachers from the the black area.

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There's more concern about your learning. So they may went over it more than once, that they want to make sure you got it. When I went to the other school,

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you know, if you heard at one time, if you missed it, you need to do omega attached to make up this on your own. So that transition was they cared on

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one end and get it you have yet it or myth it, tough luck. I'm not going over it again. After the Gothic, there was

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a couple of teachers that I do remember. Cope and I think her name is temporary. She was carrying teacher at Christiana high school to me.

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In there than the other ones. Schultz. She was very helpful. Very helpful. And these are my home teachers, homeroom teacher that thank me.

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But you can go back to them and they let you know that they cared. And if they knew the transition to make sure the goddess counselor to me got

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it counter to the k to us and said, you know, this is the transition that you go to. This was going to happen in school.

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Have you come to me, work out the guy that are posted? One of my questions to answer. What did you do after high school?

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After high school, two days after high school, may McCrae, retinal Greenwich. We went really guided by

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feel shy about a job, factory work like or that, you know, fill we go to with Baco, long 273, Chrysler, that application,

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then find a job work. So two days after high school grad of 18 now. And Christ to call me to work here with this within 6767.

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A call me to work. And I started working at Chrysler in 1967. I retired life course that when the military the next year take

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the eight Vietnam, Vietnam first off. Also what the military school training brought to Vietnam. The reason why it took

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another year for military February, you go through the school, was Korematsu high school. You go to school and then you come home every

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weekend and you won't go to Vietnam and blah, blah, blah. The line went through the school, came home every weekend.

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But first-out Vietnam. And I came back from there. What detected the context for while my wife and I met at that time,

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then I'm a child's Chouinard. And then Chrysler kind of laid off, you know, Niigata moved the family business, you know, things change

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and all of a sudden they got laid off, had no other education other than high school, military training. So I use the GI

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Bill and went back, went to college. And then I studied Industrial Engineering, a college and then their skill being a crash any automotive.

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I took my application rather than the upfront and then they hired me in the payroll area. Hey, I'm the Christ whom in

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the area of administrative. And I worked there for a while and then I got promoted to another position.

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Ended up in production control, which is a follow-up record, endless. Okay, at dealing with lot of immaturity, the outside vendors,

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different countries and heart and damage parchment. Consolidating Record can correctly and record kind of thing numbers again.

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So you found that that GI Bill work point yesterday can get them into the GI Bill was great. That fact, the only thing I

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ever used the military after GI Bill that was graded pay for my education. And he also helped me because I was married at a time and a house and car and no jobs.

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I went to school and work and school and then we got called back to work. I still continue to school. Particular word until I

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graduated when I finished graduate in 1978. And I had a family to children in house and everything and it was pretty hard.

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Ami stands for NIH study and working all day, working all night and going to school day and 30, whatever. I did it.

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I did that feel let me back to the press when he said, You know, you're not gonna make it. No, I can't.

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I know I've met in that cell then uphill, downhill and level ground. Thank God. I got ammonium. Unhappy person every day? No.

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Do you have any other thoughts or or experience that you want to share? I think that probably helped you and ask you right now.

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I can't recall unless you have specific questions. I can try to answer it, but the light from me play a marble then down

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Pleasant Valley Road and gone through the school system of a new Catholic County public school system.

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The public school system was not that bad. Weather changed from I don't know when it change with the change in 60,

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I left the school 67, though. The school was still more blacks kept going into the Christiania high-school

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GPA to prononce Devaney, and I guess round of 75 and they have a change of a bus bus located, it's tougher than eight.

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You're bucking bucking change. Where I was buffs, my Hill School or reddish school for a number years and no complaints.

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So when they come up with a nothing thing, everybody and they had a child with more than two miles with complained about in our rebuff buf

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buffer a buffer two hours, three hours in the day we run a bot. Every day. They owned about 15 minutes or so. And whether the school,

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the regular public school, it's really hard to say. Yeah, they've got the charter in a private school that was pointed

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a private school other than the the what can really afford it, the part of school there may be changing. I don't know. But how

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do schools are made with gray? It's gray. Bars. Go on to a four-year college institution founded but couldn't afford it.

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Annuity can force I never went to them and ask them the schwa to do yeah. Lower GI Bill was available for me. I use that opportunity to go to college.

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Any other than that, I don't think I I wouldn't otherwise cladding going to military upon a planning period my life,

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I had to go through that. Nobody else will do it for me. Yeah. Here I am.

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Well, thank you very much for your time. Yeah, It's a very interesting played in depth than k2. K2.