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Okay. This is Robert Perkins. Today's date is Tuesday, April the 22nd, 2003. And I'm interviewing Mr. Robert Greenwich.

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He's a former student of the old iron Hill School and we're here at the iron pill school, which currently houses

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the Natural History Museum. And I'm interviewing Mr. Greenwich, it's part of the oral history project and information from

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this interview will be valuable and interpretation of the restored school. At this time, I'd like to thank Mr. Greenwich for his time and sharing

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with the project his memories and experiences that like I'm honored to be able to do it while I am honored to talk with you, believe me.

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Let me start with if you would please state your full name and your date and place of birth. My name is Robert L. Green,

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Leo greenish, one and on he'll Delaware. January the 22nd, 990. Who are your parents? Montgomery, my mother's name

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was idle him greenish, my father's name. Edgar own lineage that are welding in OL DHA a well, be a yeah. Okay.

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And what was your mother's maiden name? Maiden name was price. Okay. And brothers and sisters?

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I had nine brothers and insist. And I wish to do Young and I am the lung to buy. Okay.

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Okay. Do you would you care to give us their name? Yeah. Edge I gave you the oldest was route Catherine, Donoho.

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Branches. Olden nor made and man. What's my belt? May Mei, Mei. Mei. You said you had a discipline.

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They may know. Oh, okay. That's associated with my alcohol. Nor did you always lived in our yes, we live darn hill and tail.

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Do wore red after the war. In 194546 JMU, World War Two. When and why did you move? Well, one of the things by patch,

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it died and I had been living with my sister and she had moved and she didn't have room for

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me when I came out of the army. So I roomed and kill the June from March to July, I think Washington and I'm mad.

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I'm at Gertrude waypoints. We hope it. Okay. What do you remember that Brian not been yet, but everything that I can

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remember in the older I got, I get, the more I do remember. I remember how we get up and what we had. We had a small farm about a mile from

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here and read a quote from the toll gates on 95, that was our farm had it by 10 acres there. And as boys got

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older older one, move the way. We had to do all the chores and work around that phone book on harmless it it'll just a regular farm.

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No no particular datas like dairy or nothing like that. We had two horses to calve, three-page in, chickens and things like that.

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Yes. Me grew vegetables. And then sometime we would seldom and and particularly around my father with us grow very ADD.

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He would have the strawberry patch when we call me. And we had the 10 that knee one. We re all the time because you take

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one year one year replant this spring. It will come on till the next year. And all during that time you had to keep work, show.

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Then after nor got old enough drug, we will take these newer and go to have to have cell. We, we coach or the chance or 2500.

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Wow. The money that we had leftover, they they would let us. What did he do with the money?

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Well, it wouldn't be much Bye bye from school things or things like that contain only last little while strawberries. During then we did have a Blackberries,

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but they didn't sell as well as withdrawal barriers that you haven't yet, yet retreat, but they weren't enough to sell. I think before montage,

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they had had an orchard day or what? The tree grew. They would disease or die or something like that.

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Where did to play me and meet other children? Well, right near us. The nearest house I was saying would be a bag while she talking

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to your weight from MAC. They didn't have children. They're only in the summer time. The children would visit

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this older family from Boston or someone we would play with them. But we've bought some time over on the other side archaeal to do Smiths or the

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Webster's or some, in some time. Read across school here, the middle layer. And we probably visit them. It will travel family that lived around,

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not like it is now. English gather things like that. And the play that we add, we Beijing were some fishing

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that discrete and up into the pitch. If we efficient in there and get some fish. What was Amendment Crick and Baptists. That Christian church.

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Crick. Well, that's what we call the renal flow prac room. And that breach there were Baptist church group or

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a bridge and everything. So we go down and shut up on we see that despite what? If I click strlen? Yes, I agree.

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Yeah, I'm not familiar with, you know, how great they are. I love it. When you were younger, how did people in the community communicate?

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How did they learn about what was going on? News, gossip? Well, they didn't have telephone. I think Congo's word once had telephone.

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But they can only call their work people or something like that because people did not tell phone. So they wait until

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they see each other and they tell. And people used to walk quite a bit. You around here. Miss Smith,

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the little red cross here, and the voyage. She was the grandmother of Webster's and a smidge. And they had, Hey, it's

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gone all way through here. We ramped the other side. We will do half a room. And not that way they would

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go and they thought would happen. Well, my ethnically, you know, everybody knew it. So the the area that you were talking about,

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the path over two, That's what's behind the school. He went behind the gears just isn't true. Right through the woods, I think.

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No. I think you still live in it's about May 2. Pop on your little more red push back and once it as much wood. Oh yeah.

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Now a more well, it's just like chain Exec some of these things I've grown up, not down, right over here on

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the side of where our ball diamond, what that I'd grown up now that bulge open. It wasn't killed or anything like that. Like it would be retrieved

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or anything and they would all over here with all would jolt time pay as you go through there? They did.

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Your family ran or by now? They own Trey. Good thing. Yeah, they they own that file.

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How did they yeah. Purchase, if you remember? Are that how it works perfectly well, I'm muddling through Yeah.

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I'm just going to sum up. Now, I understand that somebody else to try to get it at the same time that they were given.

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And they TO how much trouble the neighbor didn't understand how much you're paid for, what? They would have trouble paying,

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more, things like that. And then, well, my plot, I got a job at railroad on the railway workshops.

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And then they had a steady income. Live little better. And with all what kids come roaming and then like that.

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And of course no bar leading. We all will grade your own vegetables and meat, things like that. You said that you moved away after

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you came back from being in reserve at Yale, the farm had been sold. Yet, I think. I can't remember exactly when he showed a mother died in 1935.

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I show my father so plagues show. He gave us all the furniture and everything and he bought another place and Belvedere.

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So we went over on the other side are rendered into black. Probe my three sisters. And I rented a flake and we stay there

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for maybe a year. And then with the house should re cross here with the tailors, hugs okay, to sit in the front of the school.

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A novel, what is this bone? Height, blah, blah, blah, while including the answers to their their lane ran

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just popped up and move into how shit right there. So my sister was rounding that with her. Show that's where I was dragged from there.

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I went to our mistake or three years what Butler was? 945. Well, 943. Okay. I'll blame to servers.

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And she had married and divorced or broke up one and she was living in just like a room. She didn't have any room for me

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when I came out of service. So I grow it raining and Wilmington. And I met my future wife at that time before I went in service.

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And right after we came back, of course, six months or less, we got mad. And then you let them know we move down here. Then I'll eigenvalue room.

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Okay. Daniel, plagued valley because Pleasant Valley fell apart. Now, what I have done there was a guy and we render from them pull by year.

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Then after my oldest brother die, we went live with his wife, which was my wife. And we stayed there for a year then

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mill side when you build dumping. We bought in Dundee. If you want. Let me kind of thumb step back a little bit.

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Then what do you remember about entertainment? Hi. Good. Well, actually, we would look

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forward to the holidays like picnics. And did that go Church? St. Thomas you churches? Church. They had a playground

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and it didn't have anything mostly, but swings and sum, then we can meet together, keep them around. And we look forward to that.

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And then they had to Sunday school picnic in the summer. We go to them and inhibit here we played

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baseball and dodge ball. Was there anything special about the scientists could take you remember? Not real pain that

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we can get again, your way. Which celebrations were important? I guess I did the assignment but warrant to you important

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and that's why the community, whether anyone that were more important than the others will judge Christmas. Yeah, that was the biggest biggest bang.

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And then they have another one here. School called Field Day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that field day,

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we really look forward to you. Okay. And years ago they have parades, everything, kids be all. I just kept marching towards pain,

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where they were something to look forward. Then they would have like we had a good for such small school. We had a good dad molting.

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And she they picked you again, another goal and you play and now you'd be dead school. You went to another in another school,

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come in and we use them really hold their own, could hatch them. And with the McEwen and we had some kind of

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big guys because what would happen? They'd be only by 1516 and liver through this goal, too young to go work.

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So they would repeat. Sixth grade, and thereby palm, though, dodgeball could hit people and get them.

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When you had the thought. Now, what kind of boundaries were set? Because, I mean, if you're out here, it's believed that the words and the road.

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Yeah. Okay. And how did you know I mean, how did they contain the bar?

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I'm asking because when I was in school with a dodgeball and again, we didn't plan it out. Oh, well, we write down near the road which the dodgeball ring.

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Okay. And they were just there and they've both got away with I've run get on. And they would play because we'd be like packing,

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wouldn't have any time. They just play together. And then like they couldn't what we call a change.

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You could only grow three time that one person. And then you have to approach. Humble, I shall now like

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if I was lacking Lynn and take two or three, both me and it didn't hit me. Well, the game that hole was o and baseball. The homepage right here to the right.

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And if you're not double cross road, you read okay. And they wanted somebody comfortable articles.

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Oh, yeah. The other rule, almost same eBay's bullied me in that once we're thoughtful. How could I know?

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That was that was wonderful. But we were playing. Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't give you word of God years.

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You couldn't touch the ball anytime that we'll touch on that, or even put or you hate, or anything like that

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and you read the course. And when first oddity, you'd have maybe six or seven kids didn't They're all trying.

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But many can they couldn't get I got down to two. Now, if I'm remembering which one did the Webster's.

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Webster. He was real good. He was little and the usual add and he was hard to get that. And it was cupula with girls.

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And that is why she was wrong for a girl. And she could and boom, somehow putting it and we could keep going my way up and they're like them out.

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Oh, he's just like the song head over to thank you, right? Because we're going across the road who get away with just one route.

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And most of the THC, they wouldn't be able to hit it with these guys are boy that came back and were

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repeating lot of time. They were little throne. Not the bulk or a road map for their apprehension.

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Be an Apple Watch and a thorn hedge day. And the ball was locked up. Don't age and you gotta go in and you get a weird rule.

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Was really REG, What, what was the purpose of Field Day 0? Just bring these goals all together and to get to participate in Relay.

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Dodgeball, just one of the things we did we didn't have them relay or 100 yard dash if they had a time where I don't think we did

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very well and all the schools in the county would come. Then once a year they had to state P of a and that will go to Dover for that.

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I can remember when we went to Dover are tied with it. I don't remember participating in name. But when we went to New Castle, new art,

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trying to accomplish chef Middletown, I think guy who was in Dodgeball deducted all the schools participate on.

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Yeah. All good. All the passion. Piano. Christine was then Glasgow. Pledge, Kirkwood. All of the all of it.

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And each one of them, one number. I think Christine is one that we're one whale. And it goes on like that.

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Did the did the girls play on the same team well-being or that they have with us, we'd have to have Mitch didn't happen though.

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So some schools that separate, right? Right. Staying out late at night. How lovely you allowed to stay out? When we went in.

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So far we are dealing with the pandemic. Yeah. So we went home when they went and we were going to school. She started Howard, I think 30 or 31.

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And to Tom, we got home and do the chores, done some study. It wouldn't have nothing to do. We did AP Television.

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All line up the crow that and we do our homework and about eight o'clock we go today like that. Do you remember any of the

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musicians that event records? Yeah. Yeah. There's one particular when

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alpha star to Howard, which Cab Calloway mini movie. And I'm getting mixed up. Hoping Tom later, which a trumpet

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player name for that. We would exchange record. He hadn't wouldn't weigh like that and we wind up and

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I'm trying to think that honeysuckle row that I can't even remember what we did. I can't remember. And Christopher Columbus by

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the Jimmy lunch break. And then that was ran that air when Louis Armstrong would start Noirin year. That was in the early 30s.

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If you've ever turned off, it's quarterly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, see, we were kids and we look forward. Killer. And we had a brother lived right

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to sediment and woman comes to. My sister-in-law ran that for settlement right there. And we would go up there in the morning,

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day and we'd walk up and through the cloud. And we all we had to visit the relative there. Then I had another sister

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lived on pop pop her, she did die and it was quite a day with my mother. She did She didn't go forward.

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She go there and then stay. Round one. It keeps hydrogen but she never went up a grad. You mentioned Derek settlement.

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Yeah. It was just like people settlement is now this was the call Garrett settlement. And I think it was Dr. Garcia.

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I was a young and they don't really know the people that sponsor there, but I know he had a lot to do with it. And when my sister-in-law she left here,

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they moved up there. She had this kidney guard and get settlement and she kept that Bohr atom. How many?

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Much? I know when I came home from the service, they were so late. They were living in number

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3 on anonymous where she started the first private care center would teach whole bunch of kitchen. You'll remember her to go in now.

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And then they have a mural at tenth and fruit with her niche reading. First one that I don't think it's quite glad I thought I

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would I'd taken some pictures that I would have brought it to enact your thing and that would get settlement.

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And then they had a little playground in the end, the children nap, removed a kid, you would come in then some tactics for 0,

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0, 0, that's where the, the mirror door, right? But this guy shoveling, which suddenly too long.

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And they like to say they had a playground and acute you come in, they had arm swings in the slide. Where is it really

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was one of our lineage and how important the church, well, my father was really are I want to put it,

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it was quite religious. I donate certain things and shoot from their way of thinking. They didn't do certain things like funding.

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We couldn't do any work. Certainly gave we couldn't play checkers, we couldn't play cards, you couldn't play. We could play horseshoe.

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And I can't remember back down. But to play ball. And we had that white bowl when we go here, we could play with

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that or professional hardball. That was that you couldn't do anything like that on Sunday. And we

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The roads were well enough that you could go to church. We had to either go this Sunday school or go to church.

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They went to church. They went Sunday school. We didn't have to go to church. We go Sunday school, Come on

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Sunday school and get with her cousins with live Red Cross thing and weekday all around talking and walking around and tell churches

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that pop that out church, we come on home. Now, when you said if roads were well or not, does that mean that the road

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it could be so muddy? Yeah. Thank you. That didn't go anywhere and get it? Correct. You couldn't get a car.

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I drove me to. Now we've named this I think the call would occur. Rhythms. Yeah. Take your time.

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Called Cooney avenue. That well, they're cruelty. She'll any y yeah. Okay. Connie. Connie. Yeah. Avenue. Now, I

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think that would I don't know what to everybody. I don't want shady or not. What would a family that didn't go long

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and like bio and their name, H2S. And then I think we nicknamed that. Hadn't yet. Mc, she'll woo in edge, cool.

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And we end. That will bring you couldn't get a car. You couldn't get a car up that way. And then Westpac room would be

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same way would bring when toll car with Mar. Do you remember when they ended up? Are you still here? I were to RAM now when

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the I don't remember when to pay this. Coded with one last little one year that to shed all Rouge and DO RE would be

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paid in that image around them. And they only had run CRA here was only a quarter nine foot road was when you bought a car you had to get

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all and same way with OCS Chapel Road. You had to get off on dirt if you wish. Which radii where you would go in? The car on the right. Had the right away.

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Mr. Greenwich, of what about church interrelationship at it and fonts you might hear? Yes, and really day, okay.

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Now, where my mother one's religious as my father, like it was certain things that you just didn't do.

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Like I told you before, we have to attend church, when we could go either Sunday school church and

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those things that they wouldn't Laos and do ONE sounding when I've come of age. And the very first few times that I did,

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it would do something. Tell me. I mean, you would feel it. And I remember the first thing we played cards,

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we've learned like P naught and the fray. First time I played cargo and funding. I can remember how it made me feel. I don't know whether you take with

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shame them myself or just that's where I felt than half of the thing. And by that time,

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my mother would date and we were again and I will turn 17, a key like that. Okay. What how what what how did your parents

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decide what things you could do on Sunday and what things he could not do. What what what did they use to determine like you could

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kind of horseshoe but you couldn't play with low checker? Yeah. Right. I don't know. They if if you remember,

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they were born in the 19th century by T. And things that were handed down to them, that's what they would feel enough. And there's so many things

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like tail the course room like that, but they believed in them and with no change, no, that's way they wondered data. And my mother's a lot of times,

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as long as you're my young him, that's where they belong here. My younger you would do when I say learning experiences

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with that church and religion, that might not be the well-run the plant down the Glasgow. They always had children today,

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Easter services. British had Christmas because they probably couldn't get EKG. Lab guy. Each server or each one of

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you had a piece and you would have to get up. And then I think when Lord, God, she's taking music lessons and she started planning for children's day

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and then a cousin would play for each. Now, they were just young teenagers, 17 and gets like that, 16. And I remember, haven't they go,

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we'd buy new shoe. You get to, so he could be up on stage. Hm, HM, after about jobs in

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the community, African-Americans. We got what jobs were there? That was really a hard thing. Now, a few of them got on

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the railroad and they work on the railroad door. Good. Whether when window freeze came, they lay them all

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and they would have nothing to do. But most people who worked on these bombs around. And then in early or late 29, don't hinge.

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Finnish people from Finland. They came around, started poultry farms. That was one write down the road here. And then Leighton, back down.

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And then up right crush marketplace with a man named beg admin. And they had, you know, thank FMCG heat or how you win D Regular.

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Okay. And now that's one of my brothers were forming summertime. I didn't little bit overweight.

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But of course time was hard and you didn't have enough now to do they wouldn't pay you? Had to make do

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I know are doing summer ICU there, they'd meet $2 a day by day week. I got canaliculi. Pretty much thought.

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When you said there's somebody to remember the year 0 and less than and not still in high school. I think like 30 by conducting,

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my mother had died and I could be out there glow when I go from house to house, get an EKG. I can look and see my name.

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Should know one report I'd be willing to come home. Do you remember your first job in your head? What that was?

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Black. And remember and I wish nothing but chaired by 10, 11 years old with a farmer named Maloney that had this big farm

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up on Chestnut Hill Road. And we could see the farm from Moorhead and he came down at one of my brothers,

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would come up and pick up potatoes. And I often would I go, yay. So my mother let me go and I made it down hey,

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I made a down payment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can remember. Well, I thought there would be enough but I wouldn't

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go who express way. They weren't to that American Flyer, but you should just sell them acne or API you sell.

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And I remember I gave my mother the money and she put restaurant and got dressed flag. And I think they would run around 350 or $4 per gram that time.

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If I can remember that when I very first, yeah. Okay. Okay. Now, as he got older and you've got other jobs,

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what experiences do you remember what the employers WHO, how? Hey, did you get the treat? You pay?

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Real small. And then I went one time, this go, push back and live them but on wealth track down

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but read quotes from Baptist Church. He was some kind of supervisor on the roof and they were building a road and I was doing

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Easter holiday and I went down international. Could you give me a job? And he let me work on the rig. And I think I were

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something like five-day it are doing. Holidays, I can't remember how much it may, but that would work when there's contractor. And I don't know and think back now

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over Xin like to, to people like me would play with me or I don't know what we used to call. It, did apply Theia which busting.

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And they said I wish and she might DO quite me. They would like and they would tease me or

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play with me or something like that. And I got along with them quite will tell you the truth. It was a contract around here.

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That was the first year I came out of high school. Very shaky. And during that summer I worked on the road.

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They will put wrangle feel root 2 road ran from 40 over 2, 13 wrangle feel that way. And I work one day in a puddle.

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Puddle. So when I saw him, I told him I think when I got paid and you didn't pay me for that day that I worked in

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a puddle music. Well, how much do they know? That not only biases now, because you don't make 35 cents an hour in the game.

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In the poem, you get 40. And he, whenever he sees me out with that, he should. Did you ever get your like that

00:39:22.390 - 00:39:27.030

like that with these mean that anything goes wrong? Now, when you say pedal, I'm going do you mean

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actual data live where she met Robert womb from the discrete board then just went down. See, you had to level it off

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and somehow know the shovel, the ramp, keep it from a honeycomb. We normally edges like that and they call that puddle.

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So you've got five more. What we're race relations like when you were growing up? Well, tell you the truth, thinking about it.

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It didn't actually bother us so much because we had all around and we data your own. Now only thing it was,

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you can remember little ancient Dench. We went up new art and those college kids some time we do things,

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you say things. Sugar field. I remember walking in the store to get the ice cream and with three young man and the fan, bye bye Blackbird.

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Just like that, down, just a little key. Tenants, whoever your job, but go you're going to hurt them. I feel and I think gifted five years old,

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you say the wrong thing to do. Like then of course we couldn't do anything and I did remember that. But other than that,

00:40:46.130 - 00:40:57.500

we had jumped French NANDA push back. They had a son and we play with him than my father bought to the railroad shop named damaged.

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And they had two boys, URL and high. And we played all gather all the time with Watson will love my little rumbling like that.

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Redmond. But mostly all it was just just like that night bring back yeah. I think F2 H2 issues, AQHA h u, h,

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k. And he lived doing well spec root rot from then Baptist Church. Did you after that answer that I knew or did you ever go back?

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Did you when you went back and he went back, I mean I mean, how did you feel well, infecting tick tick tick can meet at time 2 here.

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Once that was ingrained in the Yukon, all we'd look for or something like that. And evidently nothing like that came up because we

00:42:16.610 - 00:42:26.150

should she'll go back every once in a while. And I remember that then lead to saying, now some of these things come back to me. I haven't thought about it as I talk

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about them and I'm not lying to you. Yeah. Thank you. When would I remember we had gone just please let courtroom score. I had that worked and they

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had a B field, big BPO. So we went down and the beam, the penny a pang. And we had made

00:42:50.420 - 00:43:02.060

some extra money and we went to work. The buyer, we need to sneak was snitch then you could by $4 thousand, some of them. And it will show the kind that

00:43:02.060 - 00:43:13.760

you boys were certain con, girls more. So the 12, thy soul wasn't in my thigh. So this fails. Ladies. We do go into like

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the paper all stuffed up in the care and gave to this like family. And when we came home, my mother jumped all over.

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She wanted to go back up to go do work with the rope. They'd have to get their car and taker and everything else.

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Like actually because Java thing. And I remember just a little teeny things like that. But all in all your flags

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day we didn't have to come in contact with. What about that over to face anyhow. Thank you. Do you remember any incidences of

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discrimination that you experience? Not didn't hedging if you just couldn't get couldn't get it because when I said

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I wouldn't get mag until I found hugs, but that wouldn't live with anybody. So I found this house down here would do no liquid water.

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So but my wife had come from Rio which they had lived like XOR wouldn't enough new to her tongue like

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after we did my data for a year. And then we went Wilmington with my sister law for about a year. And then we moved in Windows housing project.

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That was mill slide. And which data and then you're done. And when to build Dundee, we shined up with that one.

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And I've never tried to buy or anything else around them. And so I didn't run into a housing discrimination like that.

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So morning closer to Loman, can you were exposed more to Wilmington atmosphere than you were out here where I worked that might

00:45:14.070 - 00:45:27.170

interact in the City of Wilmington much. Did you go in and I'd have to do business or play or job. Well, actually, she was gone School in

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Wilmington for five years and we we do walk through distinction. We'd want to state that was one thing that I did

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rely course we left early in the morning. We wouldn't she did Busters where we got our school early important early training

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WHO we sheet as well. But it's carrying all the way to keep your walk. And I thought about that, but by me,

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go on and go up there and We're going to twain shall I did all around Wilmington. I'd have our half sometime through the motion

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every day before training. And begin. Didn't know Wilmington pretty well. So when I went up there live. Thanks.

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Jumping. Yeah. Yeah. So eating hot. So I mean, once there anytime like for you eating at a restaurant?

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The restaurant black. They had some but Sheldon, I ever went didn't have money to go to restaurants,

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things like that. We didn't eat. And even people like if we go down to the Williams and they have dinner,

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they that's what our parents told us. They just haven't with their key and we get your food. He or she didn't just wake day you come home.

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If they did that. Same thing when we be they would need it. Some thought. Maybe they take like you get ice cream or something like that.

00:47:06.140 - 00:47:17.750

But that's waiting with a video that you just had enough for your family than our restaurants so I can remember

00:47:17.750 - 00:47:40.580

that ever gone to a restaurant? Do you remember ever participating in any resistance to discrimination? Now, I'm not going to get made and

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walk and I like that or something to get that cookie. Did she like if you were this one-inch that we were gone down to

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date and I stopped and then one of the few, like genome or whatever goods sold. And it would read a crowd. What I would stand there with

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modulo, 10 year-old girl. And she said, Daddy, why won't be wait on me, wait on a repository up.

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And then actually what made when we were damn re homepage. And that's where white from weeds on boardwalk and the kids wanted to

00:48:24.230 - 00:48:35.120

go on the playground. And it would allow Monet. And then my weight would tell me sit here father with well-known around

00:48:35.120 - 00:48:45.350

that which not a thing. Don't people, if they knew you, they treat you just like one of them. But if they didn't know who they are.

00:48:45.350 - 00:48:58.930

You are left in that Goffman issue. And she said that they they told her father, I know do little kids you want to rise and to put them on the thing.

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They don't ride a bicycle. And see that's what actually now how ignorant people were at that time when they come up, because they thought they

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had education they could gain. But I can understand how the lethal, it can link that one person would show much different from another person.

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Or this person didn't bleed when you stuck it in the name? There are that we got off the road. We were like, No, you're fine.

00:49:30.340 - 00:49:38.880

It's fine because you're going to remember something that I like. Mine. You all okay. They all absolutely, absolutely.

00:49:38.950 - 00:49:49.170

Did hue as time went on to 16 case to have demonstrations and protests and I kind of did you ever participate?

00:49:49.170 - 00:49:57.020

No, I didn't. And honest to be on ship here, I didn't see any need for King Hussein nonviolence that the people

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don inch in that I've been through war. And I knew that you ought to get what you want. And eyes with that just didn't work.

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And I definitely believe and I was really surprised when it turn around and done like a like a day because the United States,

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you know, double bonds just like would have led to which go as a base. Just go in and take what they want. Actually. And then of course we will

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not have an assert fleshly aggregate over C. They would mail center your mayor, that would come home j.

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So I would write my sister-in-law and I tell her by displaced and ran Africa, they had a Red Cross. Think you room, where are we?

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When you look through the whole sheet has a big role in the narrow guy, just sit over there, read

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validly, everything. Got a big window. And I didn't tell her that day. And I said No,

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I didn't want to come over here. What I think they brought ME. And then I'm like milk or something like that preserve that kind of way of life.

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And one that offers she'd call me. You can follow it. That's why you are here. You're changing it and everything.

00:51:25.050 - 00:51:35.170

And they all edX. They used to grow first and then this dark black need flatten it out because if they

00:51:35.170 - 00:51:41.730

cut the root on both sides, paper, they could cut it. I didn't make sense what you're saying when you're upside to pay.

00:51:41.730 - 00:51:50.310

But that's what they way they would talk to you and they were it with a lot of discrimination and army. Terrible that out.

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Where did you Sarnoff? He signed out. Now, what you did you sign up and you attract autographed. Okay. Where did you have to?

00:52:01.130 - 00:52:21.050

Well, actually, I got a job in teams deal. The President or owner wouldn't think booth, and he was on the fretboard. So Wonder Day and what does that come into?

00:52:21.050 - 00:52:29.780

Much they were like, they need somebody to work this tube with a cupula furnace. And they put me on at night.

00:52:29.780 - 00:52:38.720

I'd asked him could you give me differ? So the heat different, I will go in 41, but I didn't go to 43.

00:52:38.720 - 00:52:47.460

And I tried to get kids. Should I got two tubes, they've gotta go. Then I went to Middletown. Could they keep your right arm?

00:52:47.460 - 00:53:00.470

Just rafter. Show many months. You'll get another letter or not. We live in right over here then. My sister. And then we had to go to a little town

00:53:00.470 - 00:53:16.880

and get your train went to correct. What Dick, wherever it like that and then from there on, that's where I swore needed yeah,

00:53:16.880 - 00:53:27.740

it was a perceived today. I'm going to put after you dock there. And what transpired, what happened World War II was

00:53:27.740 - 00:53:40.580

varnish will actually, if I remember, it's been quite a well, take you all in, call you named your lined up in

00:53:40.580 - 00:53:53.480

the back and then they swear you in. And then you're assigned to go after all those needles in shots every day. Then you shine through certain Barrett and we

00:53:53.480 - 00:54:03.970

stayed in there for all. 45 day during that time to get you out in the real-world and everything was snow.

00:54:03.970 - 00:54:16.190

Snow up there were thick and family. We've now got there. And then we got on trade. They wouldn't pay where you go.

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And we got on train, kept going way down to West Virginia in that way and go away. And we ended up in

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California and of course Calgary. And when we got to train poorly layer and of course you've got them to K. When did you know everything?

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And I said I smell horses. Guy, kid. What did I do know like me have been ran where did all my light pad and that's

00:54:45.260 - 00:54:55.940

worth manure and thick. So when we got off it would we were down in what's called a tenth Cavalry and they grouped it together.

00:54:55.940 - 00:55:07.550

We walk up to a brand new fit that bill didn't have the rugae animal then called 28 County, California and was trained on

00:55:07.550 - 00:55:19.010

those horses for a year or more. And they decided that they weren't she we were training to go to Burma and they were moving so fast,

00:55:19.010 - 00:55:28.880

so the terrain would give ideal for horses over there. So then they done away with the horse cavalry and put us

00:55:28.880 - 00:55:43.720

in engineer's labor groups, coercion. And we went over 0, ran Africa. I stayed there for two days and went up to metering,

00:55:43.720 - 00:55:54.570

do nape like that. And then we follow the fifth arm, but then it changes from built-up prison yard.

00:55:54.760 - 00:56:04.100

I think that would run that before we do that. Then the changes again. I think and I group all the time.

00:56:04.100 - 00:56:19.400

The diode you oversee. Did you ever hear the Rebel? Yeah. But we were we just heard by fishers. Now w over Germany revolved,

00:56:19.400 - 00:56:36.620

hit on me right? Freed up. I always say I want to go back to Italy. I want to see that they enabled in water. The water look like you put ink in water.

00:56:36.620 - 00:56:45.250

It was so blue. When you get way out in the ocean, you know, the water is blue. But this would just be blue that

00:56:45.250 - 00:57:01.670

I can hardly describe in Naples, in bed. And when we got over there, the people, they were really friendly. And to use Zoom pick up that you

00:57:01.670 - 00:57:13.670

can make each other understand each other. And if you're say a few words to people, always know here come radish and talk like I'm talking now in

00:57:13.670 - 00:57:25.520

a tide and you don't know where defanged because every word I think you here you got to do trance. Clara. Did you ever get a tan?

00:57:25.520 - 00:57:36.350

No. No, I thought I was. But that foundation right in here and we just came back from Florida for lay it on Wednesday.

00:57:36.350 - 00:57:47.240

But trips, we go some place every year with the lash summary gears. We didn't need a church group. Okay. I went with people, settle on disk.

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Time, went down over Lambda. Wow. You know, I've nerve and the fire. Well, I wanted to go because it was

00:58:00.080 - 00:58:10.650

last March and I remember how impressed me when we were over in Philippine. Go two or three days before Christmas, we were women.

00:58:10.650 - 00:58:18.470

I would in the Pacific. And by that time of year and I wonder if she had Florida. We got down to Florida. I had

00:58:18.470 - 00:58:29.810

this one took what I've got on there and then I went to warm on a Monday and Tuesday nights, warm or not. And Wednesday, Thursday and Friday

00:58:29.810 - 00:58:33.810

with real good cold landing.