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Okay. This is preferred Perkins today, a Saturday, September the 20 the 20th, 2003. And I am interviewing Mr. Robert Greenwich

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here at the iron Hill Museum in New York, Delaware. And this interview is to resume an interview with Mr. lineage that

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began April the 24th, 2003. The previous interview was about his memories growing up in the community of iron pill

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and attending the Iron Law School, which was then known as ps 1 12th see. And also attending. Today is April been asked professor of

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geography at the University of Delaware. And Mike, both. He's teaching me, he's teaching environmental videography. And with them or they're students who will be

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participating in a service learning program. Mr. Greenwich, the last time we met, you shared information about growing up in Iran hill and attending iron Hill School.

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The last question I asked you then was about school, the tire, and whether there was a required dress code.

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And you spoke about your feelings on wearing hats and the teacher who taught you etiquette. Now what I'd like to ask at this time,

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have you had any thoughts about what we discussed in our last conversation before we continue the entity? Well, yes, I thought a bag

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solider thinking implies memory serves me right? I think we covered the dress code in the ED kitsch that

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this particular teacher taught it. And she would just slip in an area and I think you call it and it just goes

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from that Lippo is still goes over for me. Now. We're young men RAM that you see where hinge on the age of or they go

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into a building with a head. I can't do it. I mean, not acceptable to me. Of course, you can't do anything bad.

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That was just part of the way that, you know, brought up. What I'm going to do at this point is I'll ask you if you would just Greenwich,

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if you would describe based on where you're sitting with your back to the front door, if you would describe

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the appearance of the classroom. As you remember it, you want to give me a year, but you're talking about yes.

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Now, I just stick right here so you can hear me good again. I can't remember exactly how everything what we're not wishing we call creamer.

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But why? Maybe from the back to third or fourth grade, my members seem to serve me pretty well. And as we would

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dead come to school in the morning, especially if it was a good whether we assemble lag on this depth and then

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just buy two or three minutes to nine, it ring a bell and we line up the coming tour sheet. Well, it started with the primer over here.

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They had been little seat. First two rows I think was maybe hand it back. They started with a gentleman need

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and went all the way to the end. We're going to put you would clump room. Okay, so that's on the right side of that column,

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on the right side, as I'm saying. Well, we'd like to two rows of those. Then. That would premiered the first, the second,

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and the third, and the fourth and the fifth to seats with large cube, commonly a bigger paper. So all way over next to the window,

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and that's much on that left side. That was sixth grade. And of course, from sixth grade when I graduated and left and went to how?

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But the teacher's desk was writing center of the moon with a blackboard cluster there. Another one that theater,

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I think over on that and it was full of people are left side. See that with a small Blackboard right-click and go to court,

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although that's where that light can be mapper to win. The whole psi show. The kitchen was started in the morning,

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motions and roll call, and then she would start with the first grade and give them something to do

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at the same time we were polluted me get no work together. They should go from one place to the other. Sometimes she'd go back. Then.

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When she would do in Roundup, fit for fourth to fifth grade. That time she had some of the sixth great news that

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we're good with HA to lower grade. And I said I didn't remember, but I do remember. It used to be a girl No, heavily idle.

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We get a P and d or D and the P mixed up. They'd have their little square that when you wrote, you were wearing what's

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called like little heads that you made word data. And I go and get those mixed up, a D and a p or p and something like that.

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And I remember how she used to help me. And she had a little nurse. So she picture and get a ramp. But nevertheless, he only then when you've

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got over there with them bigger keys. They went through. They would like they had a I can't remember exactly how and where it went

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when they would have math, reading and the writing and everything like that. And then the non 1030,

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ten o'clock, ten covered 1013, they would have reset. You get 15 minute break, go to school with him in at nine.

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So then you get that by going sock and then the diminished in. And you draw a line up, pop at the end like

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that, and go on your class. Mentor, new. Then knew you had now. And most of them

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live so far away that they wouldn't go home. So we brought lunches or things like that. And sometimes in the winter they have some shoe or

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something warm forth are like that. The patient himself or the PTA would give me money. They would do it. But I think right across

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here was the Beatles. They didn't believe there was a household their course, they go home for lunch.

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Overall, right-hand corner lot. Here was another house that with the Webster's live there because they would go home.

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And faculty hi, This is not my school. Yeah. You're talking about behind? Yeah. Okay. In which Ms.

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Smith lived away at what she was granted to everybody. Repeat back the words to all the people read. Could lot of Magda and

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newcomers who they were all relative. And they would go home, but rest eligible each day here king. And he wanted to go home.

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But then the ballgame start with the biggest thing that dodge ball. So the ball diamond was right to the left hip here

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where it popped the joins this Lockwood. And we'd play baseball, tell when a clot or dodgeball. And then she ran it again, come on team.

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Then I think we'd have lessons in up until 230 250, then move to another recess and then come in again.

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Stay deport me. Think like there's way how? Well, they came from all different directions.

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And which pairs that you could leave here would be on a row, no more than five minutes of walking that you cut in cross about it

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feel or wounds or something like that. The condo do wounds that Q there to the pants of the ones that had the undertaker

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establishing the Wilmington lately damned road on yet SAT scores corner stewards. Yeah. That's a crossroad.

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Yeah, that'd be the first crossroad down here. They live down in that, but they're far. Well, they hadn't write scripts of walking,

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but all but we cut through the woods, pay everything, go all way over to chapel. Chapels on chocolate word, to Smith and the webpage little bit that way,

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What's the day would come? But curls and people would make provision form. Now the farmer named John Taylor

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had bad horse when they buy talk dot work. And what they would leave a gate opening in their fence that you could go through and you come

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where we actually what they NaCl way. And you could walk all the way through which pedal you go into land that way

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probably by ten mV to go. What would only be about a mob had no ascap are not. Then there was one time that is.

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Hey, if I remember, long, some people lived a muddy lane. And what delaying it. I think it's on the other side of

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the Mason-Dixon line down there. What somehow know that they came to this school for a little while. And that's when he did GIF every day by day.

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He had actually things for you to do. I'm going to put a grown people to do because rightness area it with some people. And my father's mother generation.

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They had hard in school. They didn't have school. They had some of it cousins or somebody else that new or stuff

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like that with kitchen read and write. They can read and write your name and things like that, but they didn't have to

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really educate you. Sit down like this. And I think they had night school here, four. Because one could out of all, I had nine or ten boys

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and none of them had been to school. So when they started here, some where they can run it from here from six to 13, could play, I'm 30.

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And they were 1516 that well, they're big people and they were in school with that here. Remember what? This was that nine.

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Well, when he first they did have a nice cool play. That was for the real old or whatever the other ones.

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What would round 15? Like that? They came to school for a little while. Let me go back and add a bit of

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a question about in the school and your, and your, your lessons. The young girl who help you. We can keys and I think it was you, right?

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Yes. Or newer florist tail. And then actually that with their home place or here, right here. And they move, they move

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Wilmington, distorted retina know. Like, Hey, did you go to iron Hill for how many years from first grade to say polluted the first Sudesh shapes.

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I think he was from say, 20 fly I started Howard and 31. I went to and they started to seventh grade. And how I'm going to

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ask you about if you would tell me about that experience for you, what was it like? Then I'll come back to some

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of the questions I had. But what was it like for you leaving iron hill and going to Howard school? Well, I would probably

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much as I could be at that a little late because my brothers who lived up there and we would go visit them

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and they sometimes do overnight. But when I went, this goal is all. How would I solve this classroom with 30 Keith,

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30 kids in one room. And they had 78. Now, it was Seven. Be winging we need seven b0, b1, b2, b3.

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He had regrade. I'll be three classroom of seventh graders. That company because we came from the clay like chump,

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Middletown and New Castle claim. I think that my new R and Belvedere Marsden, Everybody went over the sea that many kids and declared and were large.

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Now, I think we'll be sorry. When Miss Spencer lady named better, taught it and Did the room with big into this hole, this go.

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And then there's kids in there. And what little alert me to just be in country boy, yeah. Undefined didn't look exactly

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like them or something. And that afterwards I was a student where the teachers are aware of students who were yes,

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my iron bell and maybe they weren't shy, right? When, when? Thinking back on it, I have thought about it.

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Now. For us, we were taught with this man is we always yes, ma'am. No, ma'am. But it wouldn't be oh, no, ma'am. It would Yes. Yeah. Awesome. No.

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That's no, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. And I've said it to actual Miss Spencer, I think I remember. Turn the head. Tell me yes,

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ma'am. Has to be yes. Just like that. And they like because they knew that we were a

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little different and everything. But it was so many others that didn't stand. I thought at least I didn't think we should do that but never

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left my you saw what you did it take you long to get? No. No, it didn't.

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And I knew some of the keys, but being up here and someone I mean, being up there in someone. And so it didn't take us long

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to really get into it. Didn't necessarily or you can correct me, didn't necessarily do anything that would make you

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initially feel comfortable with the school? Not that I can remember. They didn't accept it because we were but it helped, I guess.

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And you had people? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let me go back to iron pill. Do you remember tests

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that you have to take? Do you remember? Yes. The biggest thing was spelling. Spelling in rhythmic kicking was dead. And you have to test.

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And she like with the history with me, it was the easy one. I'll just read it and then I can remember the only thing I couldn't I couldn't

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remember what the history is. Just like when you read a story to me and it would just it Greg witty. But they express

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the multiplication table every day. I think it was sometime in the morning, early in the morning dose. Thickness, sixth graders.

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Or they'd somehow another poll, each one. And they would go to the board and the teacher would give them one like 6000 table.

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And they'd run. Then we'll go done quickest with no mistake like that. And if I remember the spelling, they would have you

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would go in the back of the room, standing back of the room. And as you finish, yet comes a day like that. And with whom and who?

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The ok. Now what's that particular spouse? Entropy week, once a month. I know that what seemed to be it was quite often when I say hello.

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But what's quite off? But I do know this math. I mean, repeated it was every day. Every day. We have to do that.

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To keep you sharp. Yeah. I know I know one of the big things at iron as Field Day. Oh, yeah.

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Hey, do you want to talk to us a bit about that a little bit. What do you going to ask you specifically? Do you remember what the

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purpose of Field Day was? Yes. It was a competition. All the school you the castle county

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would meet at one particular place, which would be like one here I remember New Castle. Then they have a new R. And

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Marx looked in their own caching or something like that. All these schools in New Castle County, we come together and compete.

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When you read a ratio, high jump, that Dodgeball, but duckbill, what the biggest thing? And I seem to have just dodgeball read at

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you because some people always at any cost were better than others, you know, and it made it through reading, competitive.

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That would watch. So. But one day in May, I think Bush, because we've cloned early gene. So they always done this in May.

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And then later in here. And I think he would be for the school stop. They haven't been Dover than that which the state what she looks

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like this and we'd go down there and we'd get up. Are we good decimal? I could comment that Dodgeball,

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we were pretty good with it. And t, as you defeat your competitors, you move up, so to speak. They have to. When we went to Dover,

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We did his Dann kann ich bin nit picky. On black and white school. No, no, no, no. Every time we shall lead

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student was gone by when the school bus and then course down sports colon, which school? And some of the guide up here,

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one particular family that they were people that had started these hokey far granted, and not a bandgap didn't write it down here.

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But Liverpool School never come together to get you to one. Well, if you were around when we get to some extent and not too much around here,

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catch object upon the Westpac road. Down near Baptist Church. For them, they're 1896 way comes on to where it comes down to track road.

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There were founded down there that we'd go down and read. I had a cognitive down there and then wedged white family damages. An orchard.

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Peel was a builder, and they had two or three foolish and we only played together. Went through from the time we were to say,

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can pick up and told me went to high school like that. The donkey Archie Peel was he would Michigan and not to reflect on

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your pants on and everything because that's gone now. We figure our GPO being from Michigan. They gave her town and

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I get that right word because actuating they treated you are but coarse down to that on the where they came from,

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they were all we'd it but they had to Boyd hi, and no one would 3D. And we played together all time,

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sometimes a little bite or something like that. But we'll know that's what we did. And now that I've mentioned,

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I remember forward up further on 809 ships were goes up Chestnut Hill. It was just like You need

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to come cross, whoosh. Reach back. It was enough to read up there. And what another family with two or three families lived in a light color.

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How's what meals Bill? I don't know what a deed or not. But they were just like us didn't have no money

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and nothing like that. And personally, I found that people come from that background. They're not calm of another person.

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And I don't know it because they don't know or what, but he couldn't get along with them. Now, if they happen to come down that way,

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they would be some friction or something like that. But other than that, we got along good with we put down random.

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Here, was no. If I remember with no white families lived here. Except then we were

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getting older did lateness and the plants up there. And when you come in contact with them later, I started working on one to five

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with the leakage in the sun. There are two signs. We were kind of close or branch like that. But they were finished.

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People from Finland and that was the time when fin which fighting russia back and 30s early. 30, 35 or 37.

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How hard your family? Not really. But I'd want goes back quite a way. Now. I remember like,

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I can just remember my grandfather on my father's side. And he would have a tall like Man words hair real long,

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hang them that he would have been some related to these two. Let it be like that. And I can remember

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I can't remember his first wife. He had a second white and I can remember her. She would have been school teacher. Keep touch. Cool.

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Now that went back. I know I owe my mother knew were born before the turn of the Senate. So I'm like me safe route to work

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years ago if I go back like accuracy by maybe an a and I wish I wish I listened 20 when my mother died,

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coercion, she would only pick Ba plus, you know, 35 years and then on there. So that's by far as I can and note, if we go back, what was

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her great-grandfather? Yeah. What was his name? That way? When my grandpa, grandma and her name was well, I'm back to that.

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You can emulate. Okay. And is it Leon who is trying to think if I wanted to kind of down

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onto the climate was his name is John. He's named John John Green. Okay. My grandmother know Abdulmutallab. Well, I'd know the second wife

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whose name was Elizabeth. Remember what her maiden name? I know. Do you remember what kind

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of people they were? Just remember you just wherever. You will just jump. Remembers him like that in church,

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in Sunday school like that, where she lived several years later. But she got elderly. Like she'd be round to we have to ask

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though or the socials or IT or in church, teach first grade Sunday school, snack and just remember with their long Chris and everything like that.

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What's charter big part of your life? Yeah. It doesn't plug it into my Word. Religious. My father Moscow. And as it was window,

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rather than going through the roots, go cheap road, we'll pay. You couldn't get that. That's way to get them.

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Glasgow, that was our whole church. And when weather that we either went to Sunday school or a church, that sun. Now one of the other we

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had an rest of the week. Well, we get 1, 2 spoke to the bottom shift, didn't want that and that's what we do and we would look forward to

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it because he hadn't done anything but come here school week. So when we get C or code of them for other things.

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Okay. My son because they did the same with going through the same thing WE Day. When you set the dot the letter.

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So there were times when he couldn't get 0 times in the spring it a year. Now well, spec row going to 89 kicks from where we live,

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a car, you're going to do that. You could just go out later when a car so we'd have a flag. We only had horses

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and the horse up and go that way or something like that. But to go to Glasgow was little further. And even we got

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our our road this road, Pleasant Valley Road. Now they usually good. But then when you got off of 40 to go back into best out a church,

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it with another dirt road and spring thaw, get stuck everything up in a pretty good. This is tape one side too. Okay.

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Did you want to continue about what language is it? Going to By gone to Glasgow to the church, like we would have Sunday school course.

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We moved a big deal and appetite. I was 13 or 14, ten how they put us in from the Jewish up into

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the intermediate they call Class. Can we were born. And they have all discussion with biblical. What do, I mean?

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Just think that, that we could joined by the word that you talk to, burdening you up and we've got a kick out of that pod or something like that.

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Age and young son. What was your day? Sunday after church. I want you to do oh, church.

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What usually on Sunday, some of the cousins or friends would come up to our heads and we would have a game like that.

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And then they would fix the some kind of refreshments and everything like that. Certain time of year they always had beer plotting you'd like root beer,

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but other times they will just make something with lemonade or, or some kind of sandwich. It would be on homemade bread

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and everything else like that and thereby like it. And were so many things that my father way they

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gave things you could do want scientists, some of the things that you need to do any kind of work. Let's just hacked had done on Sunday.

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Then, like playing Bo we'd have one ball or a tennis ball or something like that. We could play. What do you played?

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Hardball that was that no dominant know checkers, no car and no data on sun. We all we hadn't the new line up.

00:32:11.450 - 00:32:21.940

The growers, like you could play, deck. Listen to it. And then I will have some of the things that they would go through and they still do it.

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Yeah. So and then we wouldn't we wouldn't do it anyway. So then we got a little older and

00:32:32.480 - 00:32:41.370

the brothers and all had mad and they would come home crisp. Well, this Christmas Eve, we only had a lot of fun.

00:32:41.370 - 00:32:52.290

Data, wine, beer, and all those things that went with it. And after we got old enough to do things like Picard

00:32:52.290 - 00:33:02.780

would teach Sunday with that. So the Christmas he was on a Sunday. Christmas been one month. And I remember my father's hidden layer.

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Can either Latvian you keep that tucked up. Edward he would say, because that would've made it big vein that we couldn't play cards.

00:33:11.030 - 00:33:24.580

You go on that Sunday. But I do remember to do. So. After the holidays, after Sunday. After the holidays, he went back to school?

00:33:24.580 - 00:33:35.150

Yeah. Do you remember any of the names from your classmates? From mom here? Oh yeah.

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Yeah. I think now the Beatles. Now the Biddle had a large family and it will quickly be all in school the same time. Now when I first started school,

00:33:47.060 - 00:34:01.740

a little little guy Howard, I've said that I think around by ships and it was a girl she was older. Roaming course.

00:34:01.740 - 00:34:12.740

You that size. 4000 will look big to you. Never can go. Hurtling would love LAR bevel. Now, they lived over here

00:34:12.740 - 00:34:22.840

and this hedge at the time, I believe they move the RAM, they were tenant farmers who moved to and I remember her and she left.

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We'll see that with de la sisters, she hadn't winning share. Share and between men and Cal alpha matte and killed it.

00:34:35.050 - 00:34:43.910

Say like Look that one family. And then there would be Williams who live down here, had to weather GUI,

00:34:43.910 - 00:35:00.140

is that with their fall at which the wooed. Now they had three because God is my martial. And Matt than Kennedy came. I think Kennedy came just before I

00:35:00.140 - 00:35:10.450

left him with a younger one. And then of course all of the Congo from I can't remember backwash. One named Charlotte.

00:35:10.450 - 00:35:21.230

Charlotte rows. And then their children had children. So they would become a two x two. Then other Congo have Congo lived

00:35:21.230 - 00:35:32.500

on on, well crap route. That diploma on the heel will cross from the course ROI. That name would probably be mad at you.

00:35:32.500 - 00:35:46.350

But he had it which I've near Joppa Road. I can think of the name of the road. Shoe here. I haven't really Whitaker the next one day they'd go back.

00:35:46.510 - 00:35:56.660

He lived there. He had three sons. So altogether, I guess it must have been about maybe 15 or 20.

00:35:56.660 - 00:36:06.320

Keep going here on time. And I can remember and that hardly any name that went when I was gone.

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And now I think the teacher was this mission which, which, which lived in Wilmington. She would catch butt come down here and

00:36:19.060 - 00:36:29.150

she had it so that we could go on how fortunately, my father worked on the railroad. They got it passes.

00:36:29.150 - 00:36:41.580

So we want to stage a new workstation catch train, go Wilmington and walk through that station. 2, 13, Popper goes cool.

00:36:41.580 - 00:36:50.360

Five-year. And the kids up there that once they knew what to guide, really wanted to go to school, we'd go and after in

00:36:50.360 - 00:36:55.790

the 11th and 12th grade, they couldn't keep me home. I went to town, would kick, but I had chickenpox.

00:36:55.790 - 00:37:09.390

Know Fleming, we say friends and simply homeroom teacher to be up and said, where did those shown up in my breath? I had no idea.

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Oh, wow. Oh, I know one of the play stop and environment question I would ask you.

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Do you know what the general population was, the African American population was at the time you want to have an IDE?

00:37:26.900 - 00:37:39.440

No, no ambiguity. You had mentioned Field Day and has one of the event and not feel that it was a state. That was that was that

00:37:39.440 - 00:37:49.070

by the Board of Education. Board of Education in which the county New Castle County field, that didn't happen that day.

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We had to state it wouldn't eat. But there's many up, up, up, up this way would go to it because it was all we didn't.

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Darwin was such a way that due to travel. But then we'd have here social, what they would call for, like Easter or Christmas.

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They'd have nectar side. The teacher would give new part in a play you act out of patching the tungsten do with

00:38:25.640 - 00:38:39.170

Christmas or something like that. And other than that, I finished up teaching. Older students need write

00:38:39.170 - 00:38:52.310

that but old. And when. I see, Okay, I think we may talk about this URL

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up and I'm going to ask you to gain a baseball team to you. Was there a baseball team you play? Not here.

00:38:59.410 - 00:39:06.470

Okay. It was just the peach oldest one. Sometimes lead to hit the kitchen, come back to school we took they were

00:39:06.470 - 00:39:27.260

too young to go out on your own. We will then do only by 13 or 14. Oh, yeah. The outside of the school, do you remember what that look like?

00:39:27.260 - 00:39:41.480

Well, if you remember what color, it was, pretty much the same. If I remember correctly. This color, brown, that is trendy and it was

00:39:42.090 - 00:39:57.110

due I believe it was short of a grayish color, I believe. And he seemed to me that this color isn't the right color.

00:39:57.110 - 00:40:11.270

And I do have a picture of it. The first time I came that you too, one of the DA meeting here and as it was it was kinda in red.

00:40:11.270 - 00:40:29.030

But then went back and looked like me sometime that this was a shingle a brown shingle meeting. I don't think they had to argue with her.

00:40:29.030 - 00:40:40.190

She's like for me, it was a shingle, but I will say for sure. What about the driveway? There was a tribe. Did it go around?

00:40:40.190 - 00:40:52.300

Now, what? I do have a driveway that pavement that went on down. And what lot people do Latina for car.

00:40:52.300 - 00:41:02.660

But beyond they've put one, we'll want to see that part and come up. So the crusty had coached, put them there so that he couldn't do.

00:41:02.660 - 00:41:13.760

Then came in pretty much where the accuracy if neck but with no nothing to move right along. Then later, after I left here

00:41:13.760 - 00:41:23.510

I see the x I'm going to need here because I think Mitch body she had car, she got stuck. So they fill filling

00:41:23.510 - 00:41:37.160

that she could run all day. Pink over here to the left and West of how would a big man where they had done that or

00:41:37.160 - 00:41:48.680

and it was maybe 30, 40 feet and it was a rebel rocks, things like that. I think definitely put in

00:41:48.680 - 00:41:55.730

there for her to drive. So that was born was just a little short driveway. Right.

00:41:55.730 - 00:42:08.990

The wrapper actually end with just any Cathay. Did you come from him and it was a pump from here.

00:42:08.990 - 00:42:18.160

And did you use water? No. Water. You could never use the water to the company name.

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Okay. So tissue as well, write it up. Okay. With that. Okay. It and that door me I

00:42:25.580 - 00:42:37.620

thought it would commute to pump room area with Always lot. But you'd never could get that water. So the water from Taylor's have okay.

00:42:37.620 - 00:42:47.120

Or the spring? Mostly the spring. I'll bring them back to a 100 yard dash and wedge because certain

00:42:47.120 - 00:43:02.230

time here there's dark enough. Or if you didn't want you to because they had their own barrier and the dock. And how closer towards

00:43:02.230 - 00:43:17.020

com right now where it is name. Except what has grown up in here, right up close to 25 put over there, I guess. Well, that was part of

00:43:17.020 - 00:43:22.750

the demand thought could do with the household. They had, they had the golf course, wouldn't be those grown-up.

00:43:22.750 - 00:43:33.750

We ran all the way down there maybe all together was about an acre and a half or two acres down in there. And we, alongside other men.

00:43:33.750 - 00:43:48.870

Hey, go to grandma's house and approve older on Whittaker way, what we call cone Cooney avenue, that I think we get that NaF, I guess.

00:43:51.340 - 00:44:05.680

In a school you have homework picking up yet, but very little homework that we do. They seem to remember. They seem to do at most means good.

00:44:05.680 - 00:44:16.600

Okay. Okay. I think you said too earlier when you describe in the school day,

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finally, I asked you, Did you have split your total? Was that part of the yea. Yea. I remembered I

00:44:27.770 - 00:44:44.570

remembered how weird that your tendons or before. But each person had a biblical. Some say like, what was shortest,

00:44:44.570 - 00:44:54.050

shortest scripture verse in the Bible? Jesus wet? Well, he tried not to say what any other key to key.

00:44:54.050 - 00:45:05.510

So whoever got the data for that, but we had the pledge allegiance to the flag, prayer, and then a red flag. And I think we ship.

00:45:05.510 - 00:45:18.650

And then she would call which one, give a biblical verse like that. And so could you choose your own birthday? Yeah, yeah, you know,

00:45:18.650 - 00:45:28.970

you choose over and she read it for he should always read a verse in the Bible. That was another thing when they, yeah, they have this devotion in warning.

00:45:28.970 - 00:45:38.190

They he read scripture, mint, and then I don't think it was an everyday thing where they gave you you gave me Bible verse,

00:45:38.190 - 00:45:47.750

which certain time that she would do that. Now this is just one particular teacher that remember that with an actual shoe with their parents.

00:45:47.750 - 00:46:00.950

And she was the one that came from for and she was in Virginia now ceftaroline Spartans for and then not then she was

00:46:00.950 - 00:46:12.080

Frankfurt from COCOMO here. And I think he came with the illusion cool thing when there's new school,

00:46:12.080 - 00:46:23.110

but I think the shoe there and I think I got it. Okay. Whether a piano and just yet

00:46:23.110 - 00:46:38.960

all we've had a piano and a big program. Okay, out there where they are without actually pn, actually hemolymph which triggered a piano,

00:46:38.960 - 00:46:52.030

which she Anna play. She knew she knew music and she had this piano, but I can't remember what

00:46:52.030 - 00:47:07.250

I can't remember who. I would like. You know, when we have more exercise, Christian was they she

00:47:07.250 - 00:47:20.620

played all those Christians curve and we seem to like that. And it's just seemed like it was necessary for her thing.

00:47:20.620 - 00:47:34.620

She joy to the world. And I felt like she got a lot of enjoyment. And she had quite a little culture with her because she was kind of,

00:47:34.620 - 00:47:44.730

I would call it the work plan or contralto that she sang. And course at the time, we didn't go with that constant,

00:47:46.360 - 00:47:54.770

which we did. And she always sang. His eye is on spare. Now with that kind of

00:47:54.770 - 00:48:02.750

voice, that species change. And I guess she was good because she used to sing and even in Wilmington,

00:48:02.750 - 00:48:17.530

she was saying, We're back with this teacher being very accomplished. Did she teach things other than

00:48:17.530 - 00:48:29.770

Qiao or like dance? Like that? Yes. I think I told you one time that she had with this ballet

00:48:29.770 - 00:48:36.740

and city they called it the butterfly day. Every day I've been doing a lot of blah, blah. Yeah.

00:48:36.740 - 00:48:53.340

So she had that and then she would have aching part. She would have the plays that we've been grandpa away.

00:48:54.670 - 00:49:10.340

She was, she had to a lot of cult I call sounds like she was quite an interesting one. Wants to school. I guess I should go What

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month was glow always start a September for September to early July. It usually where I think the first weekend, you should never do that.

00:49:23.000 - 00:49:29.810

I may. Okay. Remember the old filming or I can just remember it.

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Okay. Yeah. I can just remember to watch it because it was still here when this Google open.

00:49:38.550 - 00:49:50.000

And they used at one time as a social hall but didn't last long. And then I think Miss shady money or Rodney ROI or

00:49:50.000 - 00:50:00.860

somebody bought a bought it and they transfer that down there on read all 40. And they put it back

00:50:00.860 - 00:50:14.590

together when looking to hedge. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because I think there were some an advertisement for it.

00:50:14.590 - 00:50:24.600

Was that it? Paper? Yeah. I don't know how they came. That they hadn't game, but that's what they did. They did.

00:50:24.600 - 00:50:29.910

So you said we're saving money? Yeah. Okay. Save money.

00:50:29.910 - 00:50:36.120

Okay. All right. You think I'm Rodney? Monday was one of her sons

00:50:36.120 - 00:50:48.280

rubbing with his son. Comparing. What do you remember easily, you just remember they'll bring what do you remember about it?

00:50:48.280 - 00:50:59.680

We'll just build them. They look just like me. What did you find, what you're looking at?

00:50:59.680 - 00:51:10.590

Something like that. That's where to look in, if I can remember. Oh yeah, yeah, we're small.

00:51:10.590 - 00:51:24.460

And it's making reference to Brad sculptures, African American education publication. And then I remember go on there to a social

00:51:24.460 - 00:51:37.700

before they dismantled, took a dam, would I were quite young men. They put it back together just as much. It's worth only thing, partitions

00:51:37.700 - 00:51:45.320

in the main room. And then later I think they've built kitchen on it. And that

00:51:45.320 - 00:51:59.130

gave a little bit more room like that. And they had painted white. And it's still there. Oh, no, no, no.

00:51:59.130 - 00:52:13.160

Now it will stay there. I think 60. Okay. Well, after I got my content,

00:52:13.160 - 00:52:27.320

yeah, I came early 60s. And so what did it give? Gift? Well, it becomes show air that and I think the way the older people die at

00:52:27.320 - 00:52:37.330

all and they move away and it just kept going day. I should put that in here and using it as an R.

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Do you know anything about the yarn? Well, over here, It's a debate that went through. She didn't next stop after

00:52:48.350 - 00:52:59.810

who work with our heel and our heel shifts a little bit over. It's in Meroe, little bit bell. But he had a stage.

00:52:59.810 - 00:53:14.990

They had a window rid our heel. And then it's about 34 miles up from Upton and a bio to my new are right on Pennsylvania, the Amtrak line.

00:53:14.990 - 00:53:26.440

And that would one of the local stops. And that's probably where that sign came from. And it would view

00:53:26.440 - 00:53:38.170

that legacy and early was founded to live there. In fact was to family lived go there and he used to come here to disco.

00:53:38.170 - 00:53:48.590

But they did have a way to walk. Just like a Kirchhoff pick cotton across from foe. Maybe eight mile trip

00:53:48.590 - 00:53:58.310

would be Gan to say back to. Wow. So when you talk about going from here to

00:53:58.310 - 00:54:11.480

New York train station to go into wonder how far whether to ma ma now that you know where the toll gates or lampooned for 90 95,

00:54:11.480 - 00:54:26.090

where you pay you told. 300 yards may hurt your over different way. It was R bar and that was well spec root run right along later.

00:54:26.090 - 00:54:37.130

And we lived baby a cure your duck from Westpac. Rid of that with our phone. And we'd walk from there down to 89 6,

00:54:37.130 - 00:54:44.540

which is ma and then there'd be another Ma from 89, 62 stage. But what would we do? We'd get out there in

00:54:44.540 - 00:54:56.480

the mornings early enough to catch some new guys, go into the mill. They work and they were all white guys and they would pick us up a sweat glands.

00:54:56.480 - 00:55:07.700

And then there was another kind of Svalbard sweat. As W, E a, T. I can get almost as pretty much like it

00:55:07.700 - 00:55:14.790

was when they had a garage, everything around and they had several son he had a mechanic garage and

00:55:14.790 - 00:55:22.620

everything right down up. Yet done this with only upside of cookie rich. And it has a poor thing comes to read.

00:55:22.620 - 00:55:30.590

And it went down there where they had last time I used to have all that much harder than they are.

00:55:30.590 - 00:55:41.550

They hold them to carve away. Now that was swept minute ride. And they would be going to the meal. They evidently we need

00:55:41.550 - 00:55:52.040

late and they stop picks up. But someone who didn't go now we have the whole time enough to get that training 735 and actually train

00:55:52.040 - 00:56:03.680

came in at 735 to 20 minutes Wilmington when we walk when they're up to so how did you know that they did go to the males on contiguity?

00:56:03.680 - 00:56:08.330

We didn't we didn't. We just got up and you're ready to turn right? And we left.

00:56:08.330 - 00:56:18.080

Now the morning we got they pick this up, we get upstairs. You need to have our but if they didn't make it this time,

00:56:18.080 - 00:56:29.280

we're going to give me home. There was Do you remember anything about corn shopping? Was there a conscious way

00:56:29.280 - 00:56:39.830

when they used to have things most neglected? Church would think we'd have a corn husk do that when I pretty much not. Okay.

00:56:39.830 - 00:56:47.900

But I never I was never entered and they've kept it up. I probably would've done it. What they would do it give each main or

00:56:47.900 - 00:57:05.060

contestant 10 or 12 years of corn, I guess. And they time late. He would ask is cool. Now, if you, hey Mike for they had

00:57:05.060 - 00:57:17.480

a DA they'd have a fraction, something like that. And I I do remember when my brother 11 and I don't

00:57:17.480 - 00:57:25.010

know why but he 11 we brought duck honed chicken or whatever, what they've gotten luge than we were chasing the dollar,

00:57:25.010 - 00:57:29.050

than we could see with the new place you wouldn't have today around with you. Okay?

00:57:29.050 - 00:57:35.080

Okay. Once you get used to it, if you're not a controversy, where did you did you should too worried.

00:57:35.080 - 00:57:44.780

He will back right on time. What's the worst that was the corn husks here in the scores, just intercommunity somewhere

00:57:44.780 - 00:57:55.180

and Julian commitment. And with this particular one that I can remember was for the church. Now, Dundee,

00:57:55.180 - 00:58:05.430

Glasgow Church de doh Hall is still there. They said it was the main church one time. And they don't have the social layer and that's what they do.

00:58:05.430 - 00:58:17.100

They go around the form sum from farmer and it would just be numbered years as a duty, What do they line them up and them guide.

00:58:18.310 - 00:58:28.730

Okay. Okay. So it was it was a nice Ashley Ashley sounds like sounds like it was fine. It sort of sounds like the crafting Derby

00:58:28.730 - 00:58:39.740

down and Chris built Maryland yeah. Yeah, that later. And then usually when that we'll go over and we would get around then

00:58:39.740 - 00:58:47.090

about 10 o'clock or ninth or can people go home? They'd have somebody auctioneer, everything else.

00:58:47.090 - 00:58:59.240

All your ghetto, they sell peanuts and banana and things like that. You can get her flower shapes, banana, nickel, bunch of peanuts or whatever,

00:58:59.240 - 00:59:13.400

you have that option. And just like digital tobacco man, to do that, take us to do then. And so we would have to come home.

00:59:13.400 - 00:59:21.900

I couldn't get up early today. Mr. granted on for today. I'm going to stop. Okay. Have you here.

00:59:21.900 - 00:59:35.240

I know the professor. Then that has some questions that you will probably she'll she'll email them to me and I will continue it.

00:59:35.240 - 00:59:42.710

And with her questions are and I think it'll kind of round out the information a lot. Thank you so very much for

00:59:42.710 - 00:59:54.890

willingness to come out yet again, and we'll probably call you again. Well, I think it's the player. Do something like this,

00:59:54.890 - 01:00:07.220

and we'll all be okay. This is the end of the interview. Take to side too. I believe it is or tape one.

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I'm not sure. Take tape one side to defend the interview.