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This is so dual intro for this interview with Bill sickles, former Chrysler plant worker. Date is April 13th, 2011.

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It's around one o'clock and ran his home in knelt in Maryland. Got the formalities name. Okay. Okay.

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On some preliminary stuff we go through me. He said You say to you from either you're you're originally from Dover up and up in New Jersey, right.

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So what brought you here? Well, actually I was on my way to New Mexico. Friend of mine who was an Air Force Station in Canada Air Force Base.

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And he said he got a job for you. I want you to be a bouncer in a bar us. Okay? Well, I didn't have

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a lot of money and I got as far as alkyne and I I kind of got stuck here. So the first job ahead I work is a place called general development,

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which was on Main Street in elk and beyond your ranch rebel, a place in the Mead weights, you know, that, you know,

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barbells and left and right writing. They also, they were working government contracts for for the Garter

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making tent poles and that kind of thing. And also they were working on 2.5 ton trucks putting these flame thrower type things

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on their backs of me know, because that time Vietnam is going on. Well, I left there, I found a better job working at

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fireworks plant down in Northeast making sparklers it Northeast Park accompany. Interesting job. I worked a job just call a shaker,

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which meant I took all these little wires that sparkler look scary. Well, you you fill your machine up and it's what it is.

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It's a shaker and you put these what they call those racks. Racks. You put these racks in and

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you shake the racks. Can you type them out, then you stack on them and then after goes from your go-to guy, Gibson puts them in

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the dryer thing and they dry overnight, you know, I did that did that for a few months ago and I

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met a gentleman who was a shop steward at quests are at a time there was tell you all night fell

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and he asked if I was interested in making more money, I'm sure, you know. So got me an application.

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I filled it out, he took it and he said to report tomorrow morning to that personnel office. I went over there and it was a line like you

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and I believe that they've done that we're hiring. So I bought the line because they already have inhabitation.

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So I went in and was interviewed. Now first, they add to a tests, I call it done these tests in R. They ask a whole bunch of questions,

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a, B, C, or D, that content then you know, they call three days one. And I was one that's renames

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a cola this room full of people. And he told Russ and I believe in we want took physicals and apparently astrophysical.

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I started work enact today. Well, your business now, 1966, I started working at our May 12th, 960 six. And what is so unique

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about my first day went job. I was driving cars and boy, wow, I didn't even own a car. I don't drive knees.

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Bring your sport furies and tough. You know. I have well, right after lunchtime and I got in his sport,

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fury would start right away. We were taking the course from outside you building out to, to test track area of market are not there.

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Well, finally got started and I took off down the road because we had a guy in a pickup truck that we pick a sudden brings banking more.

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Well, they had a triple line, of course, for repair outside of building one and await these empty building.

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And you know, at that time they had a number of x's outside. I was coming down about Tom, I come down here, come on guy

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out what Town and Country wagging. And bam, I nailed the first day on the job. Well, I hid it kinda hard and because it's probably

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oversee they've gotten gave you want to make sure I was okay. And it took me to medical. You know, the guys

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you notice 85 feet a rubber out you'll want to do that was a lie because I just saw a guy to have time to apply any breaks. I just nailed him, you know.

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And the other guy thing was lucky that funding until about lucky, I'm lucky. Anyway. After he found out I was okay. Safety Guide, give me

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a whole raft to crap about, you know, safety and all this stuff. And they send me back into the into the assembly plant.

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And I went to work for this supervised name Stacey Branum. And I was picking up track sheets that had fallen into

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tire area where they were building up tires and that kind of thing. And I took a rash and a couple of gaze for

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that because first they got correct new vehicles. Well, nothing happened and I couldn't quite get over that.

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I didn't go to talk to Labor Relations about it and they didn't hear it again a week later on Friday, I got what they call a pink slip.

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And I thought it was all right. So there was this mean, you don't work here anymore, you know. So, uh, I got out to the core

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or the guy was riding the shop steward and told him what happened. He took me immediately get a you notice how strong a union was then.

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And I want you to remember to get, you know, and he called this guy personnel. Want to know what the hell's going on here, you know how you can fire

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this guy would even his fall. And so to say to get back to me. So I was off a week and I got a call from from the the Shuster guys had dogs to cook,

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report to labor relations, such a such data such as time, why? Like I said, you know, vehicle. So I hitchhiked from

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Belkin and I got older and I had this meeting and I think it was Lou Morrison, another guy, but can't remember his name,

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but they talked to me about it and they said the only restrictions we have on you, they realized it wasn't my fault

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because somebody had saw what happened and that was in my favor, Thank God, you know. But first of all,

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they had to course parked way to get, you know. But they told me Islam, I could have a job here as long as I want,

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but I could drag the course of two years away. That's why no. Excuse me, does by so I went back to work.

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I went in and started working on a motor line and the job of treasurer, which are the main chassis line and I just worked and Jackie for awhile

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when she got sent a second shift goes, seniority rules. Always has. And I worked here and we see 66 to 69.

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And when that's when I met my wife in 16 a line. And she was working in a local bank here. And I would want Fridays,

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I'll take my paycheck in and I saw this lady. No, it's a pretty nice looking. You know, I started talking to her in I got up

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enough courage if you call it that. One time I was getting ready to go to Ohio, who isn't my brother, who lived in in Mansfield, Ohio.

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But he's had to go to Cleveland and they would pick out of Cleveland, pay me back. Well, I sent her a dozen

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roses and an orchid course. I and they got to know age she wanted to know is 10 to the florist.

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Who was the guy who had said to flowers, you know, once you got the name wrong in it, but she said that she sent a note

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to me with the wrong name, but to where I was living, I was living in a Howard hotel. They're going to want to come back.

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Anyway. Calder in we went out, you know, I just said didn't have court took a taxi to the old oak

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can in and you're probably not familiar with that. I can. Death before your time is where Knights of Columbus is in

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Okinawa unmute 40 used to be a really nice eating establishing called the outdone In NF1. Eat nice.

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That's where you went here. We're going to place the Swiss in. So we, we, we sat there and we had for limb Yom,

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big potatoes, talk how to cook a little tricky posed as well. Let me call cab will go. No, no.

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She's like, I want to walk well, it's fairly long walk from there to where she lived in High Street and often

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but walk home and has taught in the hallway. And that eventually led to me come to her house every night for dinner, go to church with her son up that god dag,

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it, bought a car. It also we've actually got married in a few months later, and we would've been

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married 42 years next month. And it was a good marriage. My my wife had her shares of illnesses and things she was shall

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we have psychological problems. But I understood that, you know, but as I say, I tried to live up to

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my marital vows where in sickness and health to death do us part. And I did death, you know, and feel good it done anymore.

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I get everything I could when she was ill to try to keep her home when I could. And it just got to the point where my health got bad to end.

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And I couldn't I couldn't pick her up anymore. I have to change your cleaner Masonic Italia. And measures should get fed, misuse,

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garbage and all that kind of stuff, you know. And it's very difficult at times for me because sometimes at night you get up and you have

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a crash in me coming here should be on the floor, then you have to get up and that kind of thing.

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And that's tough. But we made all those here together. Like I said, I was gone for you stuff last night,

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reading her letters coming. And and and he put here's my eyes and I was going to throw stuff away. I came online. It's just

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too soon to do that. Yeah. You know. Anyway. I don't mean to get off track

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or no, not sorry. You mentioned you run your own second chef or the hours for them for them. All out. We used to start, I think it

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was I think it was four to two to 1130 of words. Well, it just depended on whether they were working eight-hour shifts

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for nine hour shifts. I got worked here at 10 years. So you can't remember the starting time we easy to

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start at six or 630 in the morning or something like that and work to like 233. In course 1 8 when he worked nine hours,

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did end the shift and go longer in it's very difficult because you'd wanting to them and they're still work and you're trying to find a place

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in a part alive which, you know, made kinda crazy. I mean, I've seen as many as 5000 people working there at one time.

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Yeah. A lot of people, I know paces the park with parking on curb, parking everywhere,

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pocket on the sidewalks, ambulances, way it was it's quite a place. Initially, when you start here, you're nobody until you get any union.

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You do what you're told and you do your command, you do your job, you don't miss not then if you miss something,

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you tag it to let the repairmen know that it's either incomplete or something wrong that you can do your job.

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And course wanting they want to see is two my tags, you know that you're there to do your job and put job.

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But anything about the old way of doing things was a repetition. Repetition. It just gets old

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and you start developing problems physically. There's a thing called carpal tunnel that a lot of folks develop from doing the same thing

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over and over and over. You know, that was one of the good things when they switch from the old way of

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doing that is to team concept. Whereas as a team, you were able to make more money by learning more jobs, you say.

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So the more jobs you learned, the more money you got. And you could rotate on those jobs, you know, to break the monotony of doing

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the same thing over and over again, saying so when it was we said repetitive, the job was yes, let you guys do to sort of break

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the monotony that well, shiny, faster. Yeah, well, some of us did switch even before that became the way to do business. I worked on a unit called

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the engine insertion unit, where the core body we come overhead. We have line that build up the engines and edges would come

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around with the rear axle, the trailing axle. And we would raise the engine up inside the engine compartment. Then we have 1, 2, 3, 4.

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We had five guys on that front engine insertion. And what we learned each other's jobs on there.

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And we would every hour we will switch you say so. If you started on your job, use ended up onto your job

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again, did a night, you know. So it was it was a way to beat the, the, the monotony of the same thing over and over again.

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And I will put ahead of what you guys because we're used to seeing a carrier happening. We have a good time but we get our jobs,

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you know, our job was re-import needed, but you had to get the engineer in a motor amounts and make sure it was buttoned up.

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You didn't want to go in and out, hanging out at a vehicle sec on things. So our job was was very well, they're all important.

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Don't get me wrong, but ours extreme we saw, you know, so that's just the way it was him. How long reagent insertion. Insertion probably probably two years.

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My my the majority of time I worked at Chrysler, I I worked in the chassis chastity assembly area.

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That was where I even want I1. I was an inspector. That's why weren't did chassis when I was what they call a pool person,

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which means you went wherever it is needed you then I would work for camp. I've been in trim. My work embodies shot.

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I work in paint wherever they needed me. That's what a poor person did you say? So being a poor person was kind of cool because then again,

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we do the same job unless you were really good at a specific job. One specific job that I had I was good at was spraying undercoat.

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And even after I signed for a job, will go into another area. Somebody was out. They would come and get me off at a job I was

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doing because they knew I knew how to do that job. You say and you can't say no, you can't do it, you know,

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it just it just didn't happen. So Nicole, you did this, what you're going to do this which you don't do.

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Course, you had your shop steward to try and fight for you. But usually in that situation, the only thing he got hummingbird excuse me.

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Yellow. No, I have no credit course. You're calling my reference and my current credit card

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only critic or well, we talked about, we talked about yet. The undercoat job ahead. I did that for several years

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to get dressed up like a well, you put rags on your hand, on your face. You were a map, what you see with your eyes, you know.

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But it was an interesting job. I like util. They started adding additional work on it. We used to just spray to cars which brain hour and often

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our spring are often out. I mean. And then if the well, now it's our, it's you got now you gotta do this. Then I will have to go to the gas tank area

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and hook up poses on a gas tanks and crimped a little clamps, that kind of thing. So I wasn't too bad.

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But I got tired of COVID. I've actually got a width Netanyahu's and I became a driver, drove cars. That's best job ever had drivers, you know.

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When when did you answer does do that? I did that for five or six years or more. And I was the driver. I work in the area called heavy repair and

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then I had a job as it as an inspect your own what they call roll test. You would have old test is dynamometer,

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know well, you know what you do. Every car came off the line. It went on his role tests and you test it, you know,

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what are your speed on all that stuff weren't all of life's work which you'll work to heat or work in all that had autopilot, get all that stuff, work.

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He checked all that. That was that was part of your job on Wall test. And if it did while you put

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an R on a window at if enroll, that was okay. That would go on to the next department usually was trim ones that let

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Cassie want to trim you say. But I get that. And then I was a repairmen in heavy repair for

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a couple of few years to an inherent repair. You did everything from Chegg in a flat tire to change and Roy actual the chain bad engine to MK and the gas tank

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and replace an ad or maybe you got a bad break line replacing that, bleed breaks, whatever, you know,

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whatever it is you had to do that would you didn't every repair. So we get all that and I always got stuck to one frames

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because I worked in a frame area. I was repairmen inter-frame area for a while. And I forgot. I knew all about frames.

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Well, yeah, I've had them up. No, but I'll show you how to take what data. Have a chassis that I did that my other partner

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who was repaired, I'm going back here. He's deceased now, but but we used to have repair it to frame changes in those contracting him and

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I did that and then I went to sanitation work and sanitation for a couple of few years as a what it's called janitor.

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But it's a high paying job. Janitors over there make 80, 90, 100, thousand analogy here. Huh? Yeah, that's it. Okay, That's it.

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That's wanted to big things. People don't realize how well paying those jobs were. What that community, community of

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newer towns around Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania had lost, you know, that that

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was a lot of dollars, you know. And because of Christ, that area, I think the city and NORC grew three times the size he originally were.

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And he had all that tax-based to work phone and now they don't have it anymore, you know, university dealt protect them, pay a tax base like

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we did when we were there. So but it was it was a wonderful place. We always heard all the time. Oh, they're going to close that out.

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I'm going to code the plant where the furthest one from the Detroit group. So we're going to be to want to get close, but we had a workforce there that

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was very good good workforce. The workforce when I left was was young. Most of the old guys had gone by the time I left.

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When I left, it was 500 zombies retired at one time. I had 35 plus years when I left there. So there was that many have tried,

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which meant you had to bring these people and young people and to replace them. And that was part of my job.

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I get for 13 years a trainer training, new employees, you know what to call that? They call that Hemingway. No, no, No.

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1. When you bring people in and your anion to cope in any way? They treated him my tongue but advocate. But anyway, they saw

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me and my training partner. Before you hit the floor. I had him for like four or five days going teaching.

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Now, call these 20 came duties I was showing you in here. This is what a this is what they learn Hindi. In the five days of

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training before you hit the floor. So you told him, you know, things, for example, participating in daily odds

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that process salvage a year, use. Sits in the development of the work assignments, which meant you take it for granted way,

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would industrial engineering, IE, how to do your job better without affecting the process? They can do that you say,

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and correct mine or report major tooling and madness problems. Provide input regarding production standards. Assist in methods playing again,

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that's what industrial engineering monitoring control the performance of the team. How well are we doing them, right?

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Adhere to plant safety rules. Every came out as a safety rep. Every quantities had a representative in a team to

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do each one of these and they would rotatable area to do. It was a lot easier with the newer people. Dole guys, a net frame of mind.

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You know, I come in here, I do my job and that's it. And it'll give a crap about nothing else. That's that's the way it was, the old way.

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You come in, you get your job and you've got your paycheck and you went home, you say. So, but under uttered

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a new type of working procedure everybody was involved in and it was just a manager or supervisor or a form whenever you want to call it,

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making all decisions. Now, now they had evolved to worker in the process, in a decision-making process.

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Now there are times when It's alright for management to make a decision because of nature would have that problem may be,

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but they couldn't just arbitrarily make decisions that were effective way 19 in a way that would make it hard for me to do to job or

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cause any kind of problems or whatever. Yeah. So involvement involvement was the key in a database you would equalize rover time,

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keep it over time or equalization records, support and help to train other team members. Team members in order to participate in. Get extra pay.

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Called here Now, capability progression pay. So what it was called CCP. The more jobs you learn, the more money you got to say.

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So you had to do that. You had to maintain a clean work area. Somebody with response mixture, here is green.

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Problem-solving dealing with quality in production. We gave them a process they could utilize to help them to resolve problems.

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And course in our subjects, of course I would, I would use example, overheads, easel work in those kinds of do

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demonstration problems, showed these people. This is the process we like you to try to utilize in order to solve any problems that are prevalent.

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Team Korea has got some smaller, as we would say. Well, I'm not going to have an easel and colored pencils want to know,

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but don't you think it would make sense to even write it down that helps you. If you've got a list or a memory of what you got long,

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you know, it it easier to help you try to resolve an issue. You know, we have a list of lists, the questions I gave you want to use

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a matter of fact that I have, I have two of them. Here you go. And get animalistic question, you know,

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that what they could do, you know, as to resolving, you know, the the prompts and questions to ask. And these were all the questions I could ask,

00:24:39.920 - 00:24:46.640

you know, what the problem was. Question don't fit that problem, but these are the questions you need to ask or

00:24:46.640 - 00:24:57.740

find out what the problem is or isn't saying. So when we do that process and I know again, a good job because what I've done and again, the situation she

00:24:57.740 - 00:25:05.160

wasn't like at the beginning, DO guys in a day do is crappy. Now, the new people, this is what their company into.

00:25:05.160 - 00:25:11.780

Much easier to train new people so much Egypt, pay my job so much better. What I had all guys method

00:25:11.780 - 00:25:18.350

that we're going to kill me, you put it, it was tough. They really watch and output that judges. That's where it was, you know,

00:25:18.350 - 00:25:27.020

it and we got a vacation scheduling. Yeah. Did you the team get make sure you got more people on vacation that you

00:25:27.020 - 00:25:35.480

need for jobs, that kind of thing. And then again, vacation was done by seniority anyway. So coordinating with other teams,

00:25:35.480 - 00:25:43.790

maybe what you do IR facts the team down the lines, you arbitrarily is just a product commonly latter now or whatever you

00:25:43.790 - 00:25:52.490

say and let me say be aware only here to the Equal Employment Opportunity guidelines. Assist in employee counseling.

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Someone needs help. We always had a what they call EAP employee Assistance Program where we had a guy who was

00:26:00.230 - 00:26:06.230

a chargeable error. But you know, in a place like that at large, that is, you've got people who have

00:26:06.230 - 00:26:17.900

problems sometimes drinking, sometimes with drugs, that kind of thing. And maybe like a family problems in EAP can help and assist

00:26:17.900 - 00:26:29.770

in trying to resolve those issue per se. And then, of course, administer your capability of progression plan are getting additional money for new jobs.

00:26:29.770 - 00:26:37.850

And if he any technical assistance, seek that one is required. So we did all that. We went through all these 20 King

00:26:37.850 - 00:26:46.180

do these as they were called. And, and of course, a public college borrowed easier. You go through these to see

00:26:46.180 - 00:26:58.750

how a change from what it was, the old way of doing business where you came a good job. Did you job, got paid and went home?

00:26:58.750 - 00:27:06.890

That was it that, you know, now you're involving the employ ending to the workforce, getting input from the employer

00:27:06.890 - 00:27:17.490

on how things should be done. You know, I went to visit the plant, Huntsville, Alabama in 1989. That was electronics plant.

00:27:17.490 - 00:27:23.660

I don't think it's there anymore, but they had at the Institute at the it's called the modern operating agreement him away for

00:27:23.660 - 00:27:36.050

sure in a steam concepts what it is. It's no longer I is we know that the team is we, it's not an AI concepts.

00:27:36.050 - 00:27:45.490

So that was fun. I enjoyed it very much. I did, I'd say I did that for 13 years. And I got plotted should

00:27:45.490 - 00:27:53.650

management from the union, from anybody for for a job and good and I loved it. I I don't think I ever going

00:27:53.650 - 00:28:03.380

to retire but retiree good. Because I say I had declined to retire and my wife was elsewhere. But that's basically what I did,

00:28:03.380 - 00:28:19.570

is I have marvelous towers. They're really do. Let's see what else. You've talked a lot about. The difference between the old way

00:28:19.570 - 00:28:24.820

is how is it when, when you got there? Well, you said a little bit about your training is going to feel

00:28:24.820 - 00:28:31.660

a little bit more into sort of the way things were done, like when you got there and the secondly, y'know, loop sort of late singletons.

00:28:31.660 - 00:28:39.430

And he said, well, in the beginning, when I got there, you based command, you learned a job and you get that job.

00:28:39.430 - 00:28:49.550

And and that's it. You were told you don't miss not going. If you do UK. And if you miss two off, you got what they call write-ups.

00:28:49.550 - 00:28:59.980

They would write you up and sometimes would have to go to the office and talk to the supervisor to pretend or somebody.

00:28:59.980 - 00:29:08.220

And if you weren't any union didn't have a union rep, you know, at that time. So 80 could happen, you know,

00:29:08.220 - 00:29:16.940

that before you in that Debs agency anymore. But once you've got it back down, it was 90 days. 90 days. You you you you

00:29:16.940 - 00:29:25.280

paid your urine to do is review or any union. And the only benefit, by the way, only benefit we had at that time. If you want to talk about benefits

00:29:25.280 - 00:29:31.700

was Blue Cross Blue Shield, that's it. That's all we had. But basically that's what most people really want any

00:29:31.700 - 00:29:39.940

was some type of medical coverage if they got sick. But then Astrid years when can we get glass protecting dental,

00:29:39.940 - 00:29:47.120

foot carry, all these other thing you can also have that was kind of nice, but we lost them. The foot care and Tantalus.

00:29:47.120 - 00:29:55.240

I pay for my own dental now, but at the end and vision I guess two, maybe you still get the payment will be in India.

00:29:55.240 - 00:30:05.540

But yeah, we get a lot of benefits. I struck many times walk depicts. You don't like to strike if you can avoid it yet.

00:30:05.540 - 00:30:16.040

See, that's a difficult process in walkouts, yes. There were walkouts. We're the walk asset we had illegal.

00:30:16.040 - 00:30:23.960

Most of them were unless it was a strike walk out and you were told to walk for the strike, but do were I

00:30:23.960 - 00:30:33.040

can't remember somebody getting killed there one time. And activity within the 70s, guy got question a body shop

00:30:33.040 - 00:30:44.030

and they walked out like three or four days in a row. And that was resolved. Then I can remember a, what?

00:30:44.030 - 00:30:54.620

A sit out. When Martin Luther King was assassinated. The date if you entered off all the all black folks

00:30:54.620 - 00:31:05.830

decided not to come to work. And, but and he sent his home. And we had large, large black population and we got

00:31:05.830 - 00:31:15.610

a large Arabic population that came in from Detroit. So we had a good number of Arab people and one guy

00:31:15.610 - 00:31:26.500

knows even a Palestinian. But to generate a very nice people, you know, nobody harassing them or anything like DAG, pleasure.

00:31:26.500 - 00:31:34.540

We do bomb vests and all that kinda stuff. I'll put that right at the people's minds, I guess some of you know. But we also ahead when

00:31:34.540 - 00:31:46.160

I started DEA was Ku Klux Klan really? Yeah, that was a that was a that was a big factor. But somehow or another we got through that.

00:31:46.160 - 00:31:55.940

I remember I worked across from the body shop every once in a while I would see somebody had made a had me across dissecting on far to come

00:31:55.940 - 00:32:02.570

down on an empty body truck or something, you know. That's just that was the way some people fought back down, you know.

00:32:02.570 - 00:32:13.580

And but when, when, when did this happen? Just because this would have been in the 60s. Would've been in the 60s. But it seemed that we

00:32:13.580 - 00:32:21.150

all apparently got live regardless, irregardless of the racial thing you notice racial divide. I mean.

00:32:21.150 - 00:32:30.110

I quite frankly, I had the many black friends in my, my partner's last few partner head were black folks and

00:32:30.110 - 00:32:37.760

a wonderful one of what was a man and one was a lady. Wonderful work with, you know, me. I never had any problem

00:32:37.760 - 00:32:48.860

racially until one I don't deny walk in a Bois were black guy is 12. Hopefully guy wanted to beat me up.

00:32:48.860 - 00:32:59.810

Who've gone? I don't. How does it help to when wounds on? Oh, that must be probably 1966. I came where I met a guy and I said I

00:32:59.810 - 00:33:07.890

took them and is for our turn out to be excused expression that heel, good bar, bad mistake, and that mistake there.

00:33:07.890 - 00:33:17.090

I never went back in their heads. You can macroeconomics go on. I've been gone for years, but yeah, I, I think I gave race relations

00:33:17.090 - 00:33:25.370

at NORC assembly were overall pretty damn good. I really do. I do believe that even with the thing would declaim, You know, I mean,

00:33:25.370 - 00:33:36.650

that that's just the way it was life or if you've got a memory out, most of the people who worked at NORC came from the South or from Detroit.

00:33:36.650 - 00:33:46.850

They will initially wanted to joy when he retired plant 940 some they opened a tiny tape. I was 19 I would say 150.

00:33:46.850 - 00:33:55.880

150 to Yayoi x0. That's what that place originally was, was a tank plant and it converted over to a auto assembly plant in Alyssa.

00:33:55.880 - 00:34:06.890

I saw video. We're going to do video. You don't have no fill but how's he did not feel posted a video.

00:34:06.890 - 00:34:20.780

You get the kitchen hour. And I watched talked about tax law and stuff and all the things that I tell you I like to place.

00:34:20.780 - 00:34:28.550

I never ever actually DOI we close. They always told us up and nobody ever really believe that I think would actually could actually

00:34:28.550 - 00:34:37.100

close that place because the quality of the viewable to come out it was epsilon x equality. But an 80, you know,

00:34:37.100 - 00:34:43.250

those in Detroit data once you make all the decisions about what's going to happen. And I also think our politicians probably

00:34:43.250 - 00:34:54.110

could afford a little harder in 82, but he didn't know me from Joe Biden when he was a senator and a castle. Yeah, Mike has yeah. I think I

00:34:54.110 - 00:35:05.000

think they could've done a better job, you know, talking to the folks in Detroit, you know, maybe they let both chrysler and General Motors book your way. That guy.

00:35:05.000 - 00:35:12.170

That's a lot of people you put out work. Now, I don't know how does Fisker deals going to work up there. I still have Mike asked

00:35:12.170 - 00:35:20.940

about that's going to happen. But whether or not the old General Motors workers are going to have first shot it's jobs.

00:35:20.940 - 00:35:30.520

I don't know. I kind of doubt it really, you know, that's that's, uh, I don't even know where Fisker just from. Sounds form.

00:35:30.520 - 00:35:37.040

So what does I haven't heard about them, so yeah, everybody's Fisker has auto company? No. Yes.

00:35:37.040 - 00:35:46.070

What suppose the way to box would rogue assembly plant is discouraged and kinda battery operated vehicle or something other?

00:35:46.070 - 00:35:52.840

Yes. I've seen a couple of things. We have a site that question worker to utilize,

00:35:52.840 - 00:36:05.160

pop back, afford to be talking about those. So that you mentioned the, the the, you mentioned either the cross burning,

00:36:05.160 - 00:36:13.950

the KKK did something really good humor, money, like any confrontations that did not get, never saw any computations.

00:36:13.950 - 00:36:23.330

It was just, I guess their way of letting them guys know that day were there. You know, I'm never I saw it.

00:36:23.330 - 00:36:32.290

Never saw I never heard of any physical confrontations. Usual thing of of just lighten the thing up every

00:36:32.290 - 00:36:40.100

once in a while didn't happen as often as you might think witnessed when he saw it, you know what it was? It was but I actually I actually was given a

00:36:40.100 - 00:36:46.720

a would call it an application to join the Ku Klux Klan and really wrap. I first started there, I thought that's it.

00:36:46.720 - 00:36:59.260

They really, really got it stops the doubt. And in Vietnam, but that would involve myself in it. I went saw Klan march write out

00:36:59.260 - 00:37:05.410

your route 40 were Walmarts. Is he's be old drive-in theater. Yeah. My wife and I will come back to Baltimore.

00:37:05.410 - 00:37:11.420

Sadie Here, they weren't marching down in your uniforms. Their sheets, whatever you want to call them, wonder rebel flag,

00:37:11.420 - 00:37:18.800

an American flag marked down Highway going to, wow. Yeah, this used to be strong clan territories,

00:37:18.800 - 00:37:24.530

east county at one time. He said cross burning right over here. I'm a lonely road, Really? Oh, yeah.

00:37:24.530 - 00:37:33.840

How old are you? I'm 26 mountain I'll pop and then replace your dye. Was 27 at the NIF before you taught Dwight up 68 by the way,

00:37:33.840 - 00:37:40.430

let me give you a good for 6000 in my family. My dad is 63000. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got a lot people

00:37:40.430 - 00:37:50.820

say you can't be that old. Yeah, I am seen a lot of stuff my time. I can still remember World War do for credit say to them.

00:37:51.040 - 00:38:01.370

So I mean, you started working then. I mean, really sort of tense time in US history was, yeah, Vietnam was, it was a hot button as well

00:38:01.370 - 00:38:11.180

is going to start IN Vietnam was a hot button. I saw some of my fellow workers get drafted and go

00:38:11.180 - 00:38:21.740

any army in Vietnam and know what you call a popular war. First of all, I don't think it was supported, ever supported by

00:38:21.740 - 00:38:27.920

the government the way it should have. And I'm again, to me, if I was wrong and I've done a whole lot different.

00:38:27.920 - 00:38:33.200

First of all, there had been a lot more bombing and what they did, you know, into enough, you may know,

00:38:33.200 - 00:38:43.770

but again, I'm just, I'm just a guy on the outside looking in, but the flaw fellows died as seen for no reason.

00:38:43.770 - 00:38:54.260

50, some thousand people died. It's terrible. But you know, people today complain about the wars today.

00:38:54.260 - 00:39:03.040

And in ten years of fighting, how many Americans died for 5 thousand? Well, you know, some of the battles they fought during World War II,

00:39:03.040 - 00:39:12.740

you had more than twice that die one day. You know, I mean, I don't condone the fact that any mirror because she died, he killed.

00:39:12.740 - 00:39:20.270

But I don't think the people are, hey, you know, history, when it comes to history, understand that, you know,

00:39:20.270 - 00:39:28.670

you could lose lot more soldiers in that civil war is a prime example. Battle of Antietam. There was 20000 soldiers in one day,

00:39:28.670 - 00:39:33.860

20 thousand soldiers. But anti to know, Let's go to place. My son.

00:39:33.860 - 00:39:41.840

I walked across the bridge area, you know, in the GameManager scene and walked down this thing called the lane, where they had body stacked

00:39:41.840 - 00:39:52.710

on top of one another were kiloohm was a terrible home is awful. But any, there were 600 and some odd thousand soldiers

00:39:52.710 - 00:39:59.750

killed during the Civil War. Or as I heard on a, on a, a newscast morning. Percent of the population

00:39:59.750 - 00:40:06.680

the United States that time. That's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. I mean, yeah, we lost 1550

00:40:06.680 - 00:40:19.130

some thousand in Vietnam in those years. Look how many we lost five years of fighting. That's a lot of people are honest people. So you're I mean,

00:40:19.130 - 00:40:24.950

you're working in a in a college town? Yes. Urine during the 1960s, jail harder the harder.

00:40:24.950 - 00:40:29.420

The student movement? Yes. How is how is that? I've I've no idea what the student

00:40:29.420 - 00:40:33.790

population was like in this loudness, but what what was it like as a cross or worker? Well-being?

00:40:33.790 - 00:40:43.360

College kids. I'm not really sure I know there in the cross the street to all taunting

00:40:43.360 - 00:40:49.390

both I kinda stuff. They'll do that. But I go to the universe, Delaware football games because

00:40:49.390 - 00:40:55.450

I love the universe, Delaware, what am I wondered guys, I went to school there. It was built Hopkins as

00:40:55.450 - 00:41:03.920

long before your time. He was all American at Delaware and early 60s, you know. But yeah.

00:41:04.560 - 00:41:15.150

I don't know if you was that much protesting near or not? I don't remember ever seeing any protesting. That's not to say that there wasn't.

00:41:15.150 - 00:41:28.840

But I never got any college and I was 50 years old. And I never thought I'd ever go to college, quite frankly.

00:41:28.840 - 00:41:39.650

And what Chrysler had a program where is called TAP program, tuition assistance program, which paid for me to take

00:41:39.650 - 00:41:50.480

college courses and and I went I will go before work or after work depending what she thought was on.

00:41:51.180 - 00:41:59.320

And I absolutely loved it. I thought, jeez, how easy this is. You know, maybe you as a coach, you don't think so.

00:41:59.320 - 00:42:09.350

But again, again, you gotta remember I was 50 years old. So I've already had a lifetime of experience. Nb, John Wayne's kids

00:42:09.350 - 00:42:17.490

completed its work is so easy. I got down on my wall, I got it. I've made it gains Let's add a 4.01. I was going for you.

00:42:17.490 - 00:42:29.090

Yeah. And my wife used to call it my wife, my huge expression bullshit wall. I have all that scares awards and stuff that I got it.

00:42:29.090 - 00:42:39.470

But yeah, I went to want me to college for how long? But I got 66 credit score, 100 degree. And I still never got day I

00:42:39.470 - 00:42:50.840

happened and I my wife got ill and I really had to stop going and I started going to the Delaware State. And it was taken algebra.

00:42:52.020 - 00:43:01.260

The first thing about algebra. But yet to professor insisted that when I talk to me, says he says You understand it.

00:43:01.260 - 00:43:11.380

I know I know. Jackie, can you just explain to me in a typo? So I dropped that that's the only course ever dropped out.

00:43:11.380 - 00:43:18.760

I guess I just didn't do it, you know, jumpstart on a's, b's and patches and all that stuff just blew me away.

00:43:18.760 - 00:43:28.050

But like everything else, I did good. And matter of fact, I get a thing in I'm not sure if it's fairly sure what it was.

00:43:28.050 - 00:43:38.340

Anyway, I took the country of Japan. And I was fortunate I had some Japanese friends, so I got a lot of things from, from Japan,

00:43:38.340 - 00:43:45.120

gifts and things, tea sets and little bonsai trees or water kind of stuff, stuff made out of bamboo.

00:43:45.120 - 00:43:53.020

So I, I took this presentation, made his presentation. I had a table all laid out in a back. I had a cave quarter plane,

00:43:53.020 - 00:44:00.430

you will to cocoa is your cow or whatever they call. It's a Japanese stringed instrument. And I had this music

00:44:00.430 - 00:44:09.910

playing in the background while I'm giving this report. And I forget how long it took me to do. Maybe maybe half hour, 45 minutes, more.

00:44:09.910 - 00:44:19.070

And then I see somebody ask you to do thinking they've done in five minutes. So I said your professor has, you know, give me but I got to ask it.

00:44:19.530 - 00:44:29.920

Did I overdo it with my presentation? She says no. She says what you do is excellent because now maybe I'll give them

00:44:29.920 - 00:44:37.990

something to look at to see that you really need to do better. You know what I thought? But Professor, take it

00:44:37.990 - 00:44:45.700

the same grade as I guy. And of course you wouldn't tell me degraded got still, you know, I always thought that

00:44:45.700 - 00:44:52.450

if you're going to make a presentation, make sure it's thorough. I had a professor named malarkey. Professor malarkey.

00:44:52.450 - 00:44:59.810

First question, I asked him how to get a name like mobile. There's an old expression when I have your full malarkey ball

00:44:59.810 - 00:45:09.650

or whatever, you know. But he taught a class about maps. Oh, man, I got into that. I get a presentation for that.

00:45:09.650 - 00:45:17.930

And he put it in a university library because episodes, I'm so good at photos. I had everything. He says this excellent,

00:45:17.930 - 00:45:25.550

excellent actual tech. You I've enjoyed doing it. I actually enjoy going to call it I liked it. Otherwise,

00:45:25.550 - 00:45:32.360

kids make an honest phospho diseases so, you know. But maybe it is when you get older, I don't know it because it's something

00:45:32.360 - 00:45:39.590

I wanted to do. Whereas when you're a key you to skiing at high school, do I really want to go to

00:45:39.590 - 00:45:45.590

school for four years, something like that, you know. And then it's party time in August and I always wonder,

00:45:45.590 - 00:45:52.900

I see these kids a spring break. These are college kids. This is our future. We're right around the corner.

00:45:52.900 - 00:46:03.920

Biro, original economic data for our future guy or not. That's just one man's opinion. If you have your recent around

00:46:03.920 - 00:46:13.410

a faculty early on faculty meeting proposes that there are a lot of it was sort of the same length if it's services and other students.

00:46:14.170 - 00:46:22.660

I k I love going to the football games, had recently did, which is older people like me. I mean, I set up

00:46:22.660 - 00:46:30.800

a table that you don't join this. I mean, people really support the university, our football team, I love that. That's wonderful. You know,

00:46:30.800 - 00:46:37.810

I would go more step. I have bad knees. It's really hard to Clinton stare. And last tickets I

00:46:37.810 - 00:46:43.030

have what I was doing get Villanova in Delaware. I really wanted to see that game and my legs hurt

00:46:43.030 - 00:46:50.000

me so bad I give to a friend of mine so he could go because he he, he, he, he like gold over to you. Hi, I enjoy.

00:46:50.000 - 00:46:53.590

I enjoy going to a football game. I love the movie. Wonderful. I don't want to gain

00:46:53.590 - 00:47:04.460

weight loss every yard want to, they want. That's great. So I'll try to bring this back all caps or RL,

00:47:04.460 - 00:47:11.780

and now I'll get off track. Now I know that I love the dog above. You. You you mentioned before about

00:47:11.780 - 00:47:17.690

but he said that struck a couple of times why you're whether you talk a little bit more about the well,

00:47:17.690 - 00:47:28.190

the strikes basically be matter of fact, this is a strike here coming up now called the big tree, which is General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler.

00:47:28.190 - 00:47:35.740

Well, they pick one, usually pick the one that's the most successful. This year. Morph like is going to be forward.

00:47:35.740 - 00:47:46.130

Alright, in 89, they set a, a, a mark and this will want to shoot for and they negotiate.

00:47:46.130 - 00:47:52.670

Now to contracts. You know, I was sort of contract was a contract. But apparently it's not anymore.

00:47:52.670 - 00:48:01.850

I mean, if they want to break the contract, they can't, but it's supposed to be. They agree to it. And then we agree to it. At any brink of Santa to the workers

00:48:01.850 - 00:48:11.780

and the workers are great. You know, that's the contract. So it's that time again, most of the time we were able to

00:48:11.780 - 00:48:21.360

settle contracts without a strike. But lot of times you got if you aren't very antsy, us walk left LA and

00:48:21.360 - 00:48:31.070

once they started walking, yay, everybody went, you know. But but walkouts or illegal, those big that unless

00:48:31.070 - 00:48:39.810

there you're instructed by the union to do it, you know, and I want many times, you know, I was told to walk and I walk,

00:48:39.810 - 00:48:47.660

you know, I never the whole thing is he never implicate your union official zone. Even if they tell you to do it,

00:48:47.660 - 00:48:55.400

you know, you don't you don't implicate. Do we protect that guy, you know, but could you do that? Nobody gets fired If you say so.

00:48:55.400 - 00:49:02.510

But yeah, we are. Walk, people, just go out, go home, some hanging. A partner lived or cold beers on Bendigo.

00:49:02.510 - 00:49:14.440

All but yea, walk you walk. I mean, I couldn't remember at least three, maybe four times. Walk into picket line for acting,

00:49:14.440 - 00:49:20.240

had to walk like no. You only walk like a couple hours because so many people, everybody has to take

00:49:20.240 - 00:49:28.010

the opportunity to do that. So they would tell you what gate to pick it at, what time to be

00:49:28.010 - 00:49:33.440

there and all this kind of stuff. And you go and you get your little picket sign. We want to strike that kind of thing

00:49:33.440 - 00:49:41.330

and anybody tries to commend you, turn him around, home, go there's plant shut down also. Did that a few times,

00:49:41.330 - 00:49:50.090

but I never knew any violence or anything. It'll take place. That's not to say that can happen, but I don't remember any, you know,

00:49:50.090 - 00:49:58.010

so that I can remember left and eight they had a strike over there. Not really.

00:49:58.010 - 00:50:08.160

Didn't have any last 10 years that I knew. Of course, I've been out there since 2 thousand and warns. Shame, I'm burning. Urgency started

00:50:08.160 - 00:50:17.900

channel place down. Sad when you think about it. In my home for one day I retire. I can't believe my PDR over

00:50:17.900 - 00:50:24.480

35 years seems like he takes for every guest get 30. I can be targeted therapy, but I find more plots.

00:50:24.480 - 00:50:32.450

And I still can't believe I've been here 35 years and in a still Meredith do guides that a hired hand with

00:50:32.450 - 00:50:40.700

the first day I remembered about New York names. Our lower now is a Korean War veteran and we

00:50:40.700 - 00:50:49.590

had the same seniority day and he come from Queens, New York. He worked at JFK or Ottawa Airport, Eastern work Gary know.

00:50:49.590 - 00:51:01.460

And he had his brother appear. Do 1234, maybe five Waller brothers, lot of family life, family members have times

00:51:01.460 - 00:51:07.430

the father work here to Salt work there, maybe a door at work here to maybe a husband and a wife. They work Derek.

00:51:07.430 - 00:51:17.430

So was it was a very, very family like atmosphere. So what's not unusual to see a husbands and wives, husbands and fathers,

00:51:17.430 - 00:51:29.150

and husbands and fathers, husbands and wives, fathers and sons and daughters, all egg. And also in your gut

00:51:29.150 - 00:51:34.530

that we have really great Christmas party to know. Yeah. I played Santa Claus one time.

00:51:34.530 - 00:51:44.220

Beard, but it was him just as White. Who was my real beard, you know. But I had a color because I still had dark hair it out.

00:51:44.220 - 00:51:56.690

It had a nice mustache and a red shirt, nice giggle bells, and then red channel. And I was, I was the same cloth. The crisis has been modified.

00:51:56.690 - 00:52:03.540

Agi, post your picture. You have 1983. When I was on a or egg and insertion loop, where I had to

00:52:03.540 - 00:52:13.000

Jingle Bells wrapped around my base. I love Christmas, a criterion of finding a great poet. He was a great place where we're really good.

00:52:13.000 - 00:52:20.690

Open houses, erosion. I ever go to an open house over there? No. Man, I was night. He's giveaway lot of free stuff,

00:52:20.690 - 00:52:31.640

shirts for his needs and they have food free food, free drinks. And they'd have all the old classic cars, Things or IoT is

00:52:31.640 - 00:52:42.440

really, really quite amazing. You went to the last Democrat and it was, it was really nice. You know, can I miss all that missile?

00:52:42.440 - 00:52:49.690

Become a good place to if I have a goodbye again, I haven't buy a long time. I'll think about that.

00:52:49.690 - 00:52:59.540

You know, we haven't really nice plant managers. So some good union reps, good union presidents, shop stewards,

00:52:59.540 - 00:53:07.520

good committee person's an excellent benefits rep. We add the bench really had to do when I was here

00:53:07.520 - 00:53:15.740

and they're both excellent. Eap guy been there for a long time, so it works for good. Take it your jobs.

00:53:15.740 - 00:53:25.060

Who had issued a doom in which when we did our jobs and we earn lots of money. Yeah, it wasn't unusual.

00:53:25.060 - 00:53:32.390

Some years I would make $8,590 thousand a year. And now you're talking more than 15 years ago.

00:53:32.390 - 00:53:42.700

That's why am I. So that's what the City of New York has lost. They've lost all those dollars. That businesses have lost.

00:53:42.700 - 00:53:54.940

All people used to frequent them, you know. I mean, he got sandwich shops are some shops electric door of a will. And we used to call out and had

00:53:54.940 - 00:54:04.040

the Chinese Waters delivered a pizza order. He's always places missing all that. They don't get none of it now, you know, so it's it's it's it's sad.

00:54:04.040 - 00:54:16.730

Really is 88 she had happened, but it happened, you know, holism, the Baroque era, or the managers and things of

00:54:16.730 - 00:54:23.550

close relationships with the o and little of the foreman or we're going to DC working chassis is how formats I always hate.

00:54:23.550 - 00:54:30.710

Supervisors. The first thing provider I had name was Eddie pile. He's deceased now he was

00:54:30.710 - 00:54:42.330

a BY 17 pilot and World War two. And I had another guy, bond McCarran, who I work with his daughters years later, bought very nice guy.

00:54:42.790 - 00:54:56.330

The best one I ever had seemed wildly was Arabic mole and he was the inspection supervisor or nicest guys. Want to know, I should go down south.

00:54:56.330 - 00:55:05.690

At time he liked tobacco. They would see twists to tobacco. No, you can get that around here is whenever I go down,

00:55:05.690 - 00:55:11.220

he's Bill, give me a couple boxes, twist it back and I will bring you back is twisted. Battle of the practical will look

00:55:11.220 - 00:55:17.250

like for a crawler, I guess. Huh? More like a crawler. The crawler, is it yeah, it wasn't they

00:55:17.250 - 00:55:27.120

look kind of look like that. By all the Ps are your cutoff piece. Yeah. He was even want embarrassing because I had a plant managers.

00:55:27.120 - 00:55:41.860

I remember 21 was Bert writer and Jim Wolf. He was er, last one I had when I left there. And Jim Wolf at one time was my supervisor years ago in inspection.

00:55:41.860 - 00:55:48.250

And he left New York, went to Detroit and he came back as plant manager. I think he was here longer.

00:55:48.250 - 00:55:58.840

Anybody that we had Dennis Edwards to. He was a former basketball player who was a was a he was a black black guy, but he was kind. He was tall.

00:55:58.840 - 00:56:08.040

He was he stood about 660. He played college basketball. I went in his office one time, had basketballs and I

00:56:08.040 - 00:56:16.610

guess he still he still like to play. But I had a supervisor on a bumper line and eventually he may play manager.

00:56:16.610 - 00:56:24.020

He was time manager at Jefferson assembly in in Detroit. I don't want to go maybe retired now, but I think most

00:56:24.020 - 00:56:32.750

of the supervisors that I had a most have people who are management level a retired says that place close. There.

00:56:32.750 - 00:56:39.210

I guess there are some that moved on. But I wouldn't they deal with very old I'm think it was poverty younger guys because

00:56:39.210 - 00:56:49.080

most of you guys did on you in management. They were my age or older, you knows, you know, you're not to have one taken a guy who's

00:56:49.080 - 00:56:57.470

65 years old and sending to another plant, if you're 30, 35, yeah, you know, but you get to a certain age level,

00:56:57.470 - 00:57:07.850

you do not do you have about today? But I still amazed keep contact with a lot of the former workers through

00:57:07.850 - 00:57:19.130

a we have a site on Facebook with Chrysler workers that we were able to communicate back and forth. And one guy, his name is Harry, R4 is posted.

00:57:19.130 - 00:57:26.660

I don't know how many hundreds of photos that would've taken. It will throw them all away. And he took them any posted them on

00:57:26.660 - 00:57:40.400

Ana in a Facebook site, you know. Do you have a minute to go and my computer room, I'm sure. I'm going to show you a lecture.

00:57:40.400 - 00:57:46.010

It's not that good. Yeah, I've I've I've checked out the other page on Facebook, so it hasn't kicked

00:57:46.010 - 00:57:50.330

out the photos. I've seen a few of them. I guess I saw some of the videos that people want me to yeah. Okay.

00:57:50.330 - 00:57:57.550

Okay. Well, they know it says me showing you that everything that they'll say. Yeah, I'm going to say yeah, I yeah.

00:57:57.550 - 00:58:06.550

I can't get outstanding. Now. My fact that I got one, somebody posted my wife and myself,

00:58:06.550 - 00:58:13.280

which was the best picture I ever seen in my life. And I I don't know who posted it, but I did thank you so much.

00:58:13.280 - 00:58:29.810

It was post-war. Chris Re actually die with him as though maybe a baby feel real good to see that. Through, touched on a lot of the stuff

00:58:29.810 - 00:58:37.630

I'm working now. That was also a union official. I was a a well was I was an election official.

00:58:37.630 - 00:58:49.460

I was involved in the election for the for the union officers and and a union reps and that kind of thing. You know, you have to, just like

00:58:49.460 - 00:58:56.330

any other voting procedure you have. If people keep the poles and then planting a good day, I was elected to

00:58:56.330 - 00:59:04.160

that position and did that was interesting. Job. Sometimes went ahead elections that lasted two days. You work get whole pond,

00:59:04.160 - 00:59:13.480

we got paper where you would err proposed you get time to manage, try to stay off it straight hours on that. That's not that hard.

00:59:13.480 - 00:59:19.590

But you got paid for every area you got word ERA was interesting. When I when we're young election committee like what year?

00:59:19.590 - 00:59:29.560

Oh God. I don't know. I got to I got to about gowns diversity when I was on that, but it had to be a knee.

00:59:29.560 - 00:59:38.810

I would probably say 90s, probably nothing. And I gave that it might be the reason to give that one, took something or join

00:59:38.810 - 00:59:47.050

some other kind of committee. So I couldn't be on this one unique maybe in an ongoing committee, I do. One or the other cell.

00:59:47.050 - 00:59:55.340

So I was bad move moving from the last few minutes you to stay with you when you guys used for meetings,

00:59:55.340 - 01:00:00.560

you got paid for it? That was doubtful. We want to know so I have a meeting to attend.

01:00:00.560 - 01:00:09.980

If the meeting last five minutes, I didn't have to go back to my god, because I was excused for the day. That was what we call it a benefit

01:00:09.980 - 01:00:18.590

or what the hell you call but me. Nice. You told me on the phone that you were almost elected as a trustee at some point? Yeah.

01:00:18.590 - 01:00:29.270

Yeah. I rare for Trustee. Well, I get it all myself and my son helped me. I can ask for support

01:00:29.270 - 01:00:37.920

from the party that was run in. Had I ask for support, I probably would have won. Anyway, I got to run off and I lost

01:00:37.920 - 01:00:47.620

by not too many votes. But again, you want to trust these position, you know? And I had I bought shirts,

01:00:47.620 - 01:00:56.810

I bought batches with my name on it and what kind of had to put up material, a card, all costs. I'd have a grit and have a settled out.

01:00:56.810 - 01:01:07.490

We pass that stuff partially true out. Gave shirts away, gave buttons away. Running for election can be very expensive. And to think of it is,

01:01:07.490 - 01:01:15.740

there's no extra money in it. And it says, this is what you want to do to help your, you know, your fellow co-worker fall

01:01:15.740 - 01:01:29.070

employing also what we've loaded the trustee. What does the trustee do the twisty responsible for auditing everything in a union along all the properties,

01:01:29.170 - 01:01:37.400

all the furnitures, all that stuff. Anything to do with the hall? They 005 before they they they have to make

01:01:37.400 - 01:01:48.380

sure that you can account for. And I don't know if that includes one or you're not. Probably does, but I think auditor comes in

01:01:48.380 - 01:01:55.730

and it does that we had very good treasure eroded. One of them is over. We'll have several presidents

01:01:55.730 - 01:02:03.410

have been some good ones. Bobby Clemente was one. He died when she was in Detroit. He worked for the National MOI

01:02:03.410 - 01:02:14.030

Council and he was in Detroit. He died out there in do is build Douglas who was another, another very good union president.

01:02:14.030 - 01:02:24.950

Clarence Williams, another president. He's, he's deceased. Makemake, Donna. There's two McDonalds.

01:02:24.950 - 01:02:33.500

They were both President Luna to Father and the Son. And or enter both still live in in nice, nice pv1,

01:02:33.500 - 01:02:44.510

me and cutting who the president went on. I think things fissure but I'm not sure what goes on. I used to go to the retiree meetings.

01:02:44.510 - 01:02:52.430

I I haven't been able to go because of my wife's illnesses and that'll get around to goodie. I had heart surgery and December,

01:02:52.430 - 01:03:01.050

so it'll put them onto a good considering to say I had a pacemaker for working years. Now I don't have one.

01:03:01.900 - 01:03:07.880

Well, you sound like you're in DCG? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And I tried I

01:03:07.880 - 01:03:14.990

tried my garnish, take care of myself. You know, I always learned it. You always have positive attitude about anything that you do.

01:03:14.990 - 01:03:21.500

The nurses, hey, Simi, go home, they love me because I'm a very co-operative patient. And get the OR guys

01:03:21.500 - 01:03:29.530

laughing and carrying on this. They can understand why I'm like Get us well, look your professional right? You know what you're doing.

01:03:29.530 - 01:03:36.410

I know what you're gonna do to me. So why should I be afraid? Your professional that you got you got a good attitude.

01:03:36.410 - 01:03:44.510

So that's why you should be always have a good attitude. Always be positive. I survived cancer and colon cancer.

01:03:44.510 - 01:03:54.290

I've survived, that knows, 70 years cancer free in February for you. That debt that dad, he scared me that the heart

01:03:54.290 - 01:04:07.120

can get skin cancer. Did remember that seven years cancer-free. Just saw my oncologist last one in my CEA or cancer number was 0.8. Excellent.

01:04:07.120 - 01:04:15.890

Actual though is to deal with Yeah. I feel I feel very good. To Friday I go to the University of Maryland

01:04:15.890 - 01:04:26.240

electrophysiology laboratory and see what's next for me. You know, my my heart doctor says here's Dr. Palermo

01:04:26.240 - 01:04:37.620

ago versus don't need a pacemaker. They got me awesome. Controlled called solid tall and printing that regulates heartbeat. He says, I don't need one

01:04:37.620 - 01:04:43.940

universe muralist as I do. I told him guitar a button, hasn't you guys have somebody gotta make a decision on

01:04:43.940 - 01:04:55.850

as so he says, I'm right. You should have the doctor call me what you their largest Friday as I do that because I

01:04:55.850 - 01:05:05.390

don't want to be there for 14 years. I had one now I don't have one. So I've got an infection is what happened. And could kill.

01:05:05.390 - 01:05:15.490

We would send a hospital one on or off what? Chris three or four weeks. Maryland, Baltimore, Maryland, Baldwin and font ahead.

01:05:15.490 - 01:05:26.270

I had a surgery same week my wife died, was buried. She died. He tends to December. We barrier to 16th.

01:05:26.270 - 01:05:36.860

And I had operation the 20th. So aging could happen a good time while I was going through my mind. But I survive because

01:05:36.860 - 01:05:42.740

my size as your fighter day, you'll you'll always your Y. I said Yes. I said because I have

01:05:42.740 - 01:05:48.300

the right kind of attitude. I don't want to die. I know I'm going to die someday, but it's not going to be right now.

01:05:48.300 - 01:05:59.020

I have that positive attitude. Well, it's always been exactly when they're going to form a play on us when we're done.

01:05:59.020 - 01:06:06.350

We talked a little bit about your early time at the at the time. I mean, I know I did the 70s or hard for the American auto

01:06:06.350 - 01:06:17.430

industry was I was while I was off for nine months in the seventies because of the the, the oil crisis site.

01:06:17.440 - 01:06:25.700

They only had one shift. And for five once I plug in unemployment and they had some other kind of money.

01:06:25.700 - 01:06:40.550

I can't think what it was called now. So now once was so kind of money they paid us for the fact that we lost their jobs because of

01:06:40.550 - 01:06:53.100

the economy are some carnitine, but I got a job working at the wildly shipyard down important deposit after five months

01:06:53.100 - 01:07:06.380

in certainly had a lot less than I was making a Chrysler, but I stayed there until July of I think it was 74 I think 7475.

01:07:06.380 - 01:07:16.960

And call me back. And I was never laid off again for a prolonged period. Other than model change again? Yeah.

01:07:16.960 - 01:07:27.130

Model changes when I first started, they were usually four to six weeks long or longer. How they can they can do model changed now

01:07:27.130 - 01:07:35.120

to finish up one year and here come the next year. That's away. Now you know, what used to be you go out for

01:07:35.120 - 01:07:44.180

model change unless he has something he really had to do. Like when they did the remodeling for I guess it was

01:07:44.180 - 01:07:56.000

for was for Durango what it was, but to move down a long time and they put a doors off process. Whereas at a door line

01:07:56.000 - 01:08:04.150

where he built dwarf used to be the doors were installed in the body shot weight metal, white metals, just plain metal.

01:08:04.150 - 01:08:10.610

But every time you add someone to the door, it's up. To make that door heavier. You gotta keep riffing as

01:08:10.610 - 01:08:20.750

it goes through the process. Well, we suggested doors off process, which date they put in. They had a door line and built the doors up.

01:08:20.750 - 01:08:30.890

And initial panel wanted to build THE panels up in the doors would run down the spine at all. I'm like, what are your moral?

01:08:30.890 - 01:08:38.660

I will just jump in to door to come around in a matching Dorsey to corn. And you put one watching out for them once.

01:08:38.660 - 01:08:45.430

Whereas before you had to put a maybe half a dozen times or more, you know, it every time you do that, you could reduce damage.

01:08:45.430 - 01:08:55.490

When he tried to adjust the door? That I was and that was actually an idea that came up with full frame was

01:08:55.490 - 01:09:05.840

the best thing I ever saw in there. We said have a frame that we had C frame or D frame. But the full frame mode they

01:09:05.840 - 01:09:18.680

had on it, on a Durango, which ahead six bolts on each die, which fashion afraid to buy. We ran Kate. Now, we're going to check animation about it.

01:09:18.680 - 01:09:24.410

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about 70, right?

01:09:24.410 - 01:09:36.860

Yeah. I can do stuff on it through my head. Like that. We'll take it we'll

01:09:36.860 - 01:09:40.970

take it in another direction. We'll go we'll go back to the seventies. Okay. What what what kind of you

01:09:40.970 - 01:09:48.230

mentioned the draggable kind of cars that you work on while you're working everything he built. What do I get it?

01:09:48.230 - 01:10:00.740

We're making a fury 12. It's rates for fury. Quite sure. Counted country that Watson was a kosher.

01:10:00.740 - 01:10:08.690

Can't get an a over. Now. Another question, core couple of months, Reinhardt, move on. Another Christ or can't

01:10:08.690 - 01:10:23.210

even think of the name of it now. And, and we've actually went to two values in doors and those kind of damage. Then we went to the cake or with Judy,

01:10:23.210 - 01:10:35.630

I think it was Jerry's relying. That was a game quiet and went to the Angkor, which was I forget the name to those, but we did that.

01:10:35.630 - 01:10:43.860

That was the last core car we build than what you did to wrangle with high spirit a spirit Nick claim. Thank you, Chris.

01:10:43.860 - 01:10:54.710

And we did the SUV to Durango boulevards or her oh, yeah. Veronica variables. You have to I'm going to convertible.

01:10:54.710 - 01:11:07.130

We had a line, it took just the tops. And it's unique because you will make it four different kinds of cars which require four different kinds of

01:11:07.130 - 01:11:17.220

processes to do this all at the same time? Yeah, yeah. I mean, to go we're making intrepid spirit a claim and look, barons.

01:11:17.220 - 01:11:25.300

I had you do that, you know, I mean, we did a, you know, some guys got course. We didn't have to do any work on

01:11:25.300 - 01:11:31.490

it all just depends, you know, where it fell in the process, you know. And some people had to work and

01:11:31.490 - 01:11:39.210

every core in I'll just do it just depended. Guys would stall or radio naked every Cauchy go. Whereas the guy who

01:11:39.210 - 01:11:47.790

did convertibles, you know, maybe he only does a certain thing or maybe I'll do not done though. Yeah, it was interesting place

01:11:47.790 - 01:11:57.810

watching them install glass. Glass installation is kinda cool. Nike to use machines now in place in these be,

01:11:57.810 - 01:12:05.360

picked them up with suction cups. One guy and you bring it up, be a stick that from whichever name you stick them back lighting.

01:12:05.360 - 01:12:15.890

That's quite a quite an operation. Donated to Tires. Oh, God, I should put tires on. And we used to build a lot of police cars

01:12:15.890 - 01:12:28.040

back in need in the seventies and a mean, every state new in New York City, please go. I belong. They all got four forties, you know, on a,

01:12:28.040 - 01:12:34.790

big a and B for bevel carvings on an entire way to time because the ADOS viewpoint police specials

01:12:34.790 - 01:12:41.480

on those damn thing. Cheese, because there's things that are heavy enough. But yea h the hectares by

01:12:41.480 - 01:12:50.000

hand yet if Leary pick it up, put it on, start to lug nuts. Now when I left here, they've got a process and a tire tower.

01:12:50.000 - 01:13:00.970

Retires come down and Guy just takes, puts Derrick lower thing up, down slides and often don't even touch it. Wow, what a hand that when I was there.

01:13:00.970 - 01:13:08.480

But that that's called technology that some technology improvements, he seemed so much change. What did we say?

01:13:08.480 - 01:13:14.240

How would they call an area called The Jungle? That was what it did. A lot of welding.

01:13:14.240 - 01:13:23.510

You had all these welding equipment, that kind of stuff, you know. And then robots came in. Robots where they don't

01:13:23.510 - 01:13:32.060

get tired if you ever take a day off, you know. So they did a lot of the hard work that you employ used to do in our body shop.

01:13:32.060 - 01:13:43.790

So you have less people working in by shove, didn't you used to have. But you got you got their production. Because the wells were precise and exact.

01:13:43.790 - 01:13:51.160

And it's kinda it's kinda cool. Watch it. Watch and re-watch word man. I mean, they gave joints turn and everything.

01:13:51.160 - 01:13:58.490

It's quite unique. Yeah. What did people think when they started mechanized anymore and they brought the robots and well,

01:13:58.490 - 01:14:06.370

they were concerned about lost jobs because there was some, you know, is I told you before when I come over 5000 people working there.

01:14:06.370 - 01:14:14.750

But the amount of people also depends on how many vehicles you're running per shift? Yeah. I mean, when I started gear,

01:14:14.750 - 01:14:29.090

wind speed was like 32 vehicles and outward if Deidre big cars and all cores. And then one time I saw out what 72 that's when they run into k cars,

01:14:29.090 - 01:14:36.490

you know, the difference different wind speeds and I don't know what it was when I left because

01:14:36.490 - 01:14:43.060

I had worked at once alone. We didn't really matter to me except when I was doing my torque job, a poor job where I took chalk on

01:14:43.060 - 01:14:51.130

a on a finance assembly and rear assembly, make sure that it met the government standards. What was supposed to be, you know,

01:14:51.130 - 01:15:00.340

I was all like try and she grew up on it. So I had a box I used to wear and I have an entry to number 4, whatever I was doing E

01:15:00.340 - 01:15:10.770

for that particular part. And we check check the bolts on that. I had my things set up. Thank to the guy or Persia,

01:15:10.770 - 01:15:23.070

where we could actually do ten checks across to fun at one time. Because we had made two sockets in such a way that would,

01:15:23.070 - 01:15:29.510

would have changed in our content that we could, we could do that so we can interchange sockets in and do to stay.

01:15:29.510 - 01:15:37.450

It was, it was amazing. The guy we're going to first year was a genius. He has what I think I like it.

01:15:37.450 - 01:15:45.470

Why would I not like it? I think he took a job that we would take is probably two hours. They will run.

01:15:45.470 - 01:15:56.900

You could do with 45 minutes, you know. It changes, this guy innovate. It would, would just sockets and tangent. So I love it. So we would do for

01:15:56.900 - 01:16:05.930

checks and I invited you to before launch to after lunch. Sometimes you got three before lunch because usually we worked five

01:16:05.930 - 01:16:15.260

or 5.5 hours before lunchtime on a second chef. So unless you like what, 2.5 hours after lunch

01:16:15.260 - 01:16:26.250

which you got your readings anion you want you've downloaded all your information into the computer. If you NF2 was anything already torque,

01:16:26.250 - 01:16:36.120

you had to read a kick it up and you give that to the supervisor any area. And it's his responsibility to go to that specific job,

01:16:36.120 - 01:16:43.980

find out the reason why the torque was either low or too high. So yeah, I mean, you had expected you had to stay within, you know,

01:16:43.980 - 01:16:52.520

and I would say 989, 10 time they were always will inspect nonstop. Never really have a problem with that,

01:16:52.520 - 01:17:01.860

would do things like turn in if the enable was a part that needed repair it. I've always told her repairing and that he wouldn't parents.

01:17:01.930 - 01:17:11.090

What do they do with the parts that didn't meet spec? Well, all parts are supposed to meet spec. When I talk about not meet spec,

01:17:11.090 - 01:17:18.890

I'm talking about not meeting the tightness specification. But yeah, we've had part to come in. That didn't work.

01:17:18.890 - 01:17:27.650

You know, something was wrong, you know, they'd have to pull off the line and you had a rework group that went to all that stuff to find out which was good part,

01:17:27.650 - 01:17:34.590

which was a bad boy. Dhap is more than you'd think. Oh yeah. Remember anytime we bought to what was it?

01:17:34.590 - 01:17:45.200

A spindle from my Imperial outer calibre. I was in a caliper was what to large. We can get the entire line, you know. So so somebody made

01:17:45.200 - 01:17:53.360

a change apparently at factory. Here's more caliper to fit onto my to my brake rotor. You don't throw those kinds of things happen.

01:17:53.360 - 01:18:00.140

They don't always tell you though, but, but, but they happen. So what are they doing that situates suit has taken off the line and

01:18:00.140 - 01:18:08.300

figure out who take off what we would call it defective material. Even if it was all defective or not, it would remove a name of bringing in

01:18:08.300 - 01:18:17.330

new materials so you can able to do job, you know, material was very effective that way. We also had a group called pq I,

01:18:17.330 - 01:18:30.210

which was parked on production. Pq I I forget, but anyway, they were very good at getting things done.

01:18:30.210 - 01:18:36.840

We call peak. Why if you had an idea pq, I would investigate it and it was a good idea.

01:18:36.840 - 01:18:45.340

You were somehow and it was implemented, you were awarded a certificate, good. Or maybe you've got a t-shirt, maybe lead us to having maybe

01:18:45.340 - 01:19:00.100

you got all three, you know. What did they started implementing that PQ, I think was there, it started probably. It may have always been there,

01:19:00.100 - 01:19:10.030

but I didn't really hear about it until we start at the modern operating room, which would have been probably 1987. So production quality improvement,

01:19:10.030 - 01:19:27.430

I think is what is call PQR. So it's hard to remember all those acronyms. Example. I have here, four here,

01:19:27.430 - 01:19:35.840

covering a bond between a bar. Here, here, there we go. Cancel. For acronym.

01:19:38.250 - 01:19:47.750

This is the code like for example, when you're building a vehicle and employ would look nice. We take the code, you know, and,

01:19:47.750 - 01:19:57.460

and say, say this guy had his coat. So that should tell you this when INR are wide, we had other types of things enough.

01:19:57.460 - 01:20:06.110

So yeah, this is English, the code them know what year this will be August for 990. But yeah, everybody use these codes,

01:20:06.110 - 01:20:14.630

determine what your parts what it was that they utilize. Pull on the line icon thing that I'm looking to track heat.

01:20:14.630 - 01:20:25.820

I love. Why might they make sure I use the report? But very easy to get wrong. I was on house quality control

01:20:25.820 - 01:20:38.230

then during the lecture in the 70s, in the 80s they perform the 99 is good. I mean, I gotta tell you my life much. I even hate to say it.

01:20:38.230 - 01:20:49.820

I can remember your last day a model cage. Every run out apart. And they would ship the course like DNA, we ship the parts to the dealer.

01:20:49.820 - 01:20:56.270

Let's do tailor to say we run out of home purchases, sums it up here with David, ship the parts to the dealer.

01:20:56.270 - 01:21:06.410

He would have to install them. So they would ship the cars without the whenever whenever anybody I would have had to run.

01:21:06.410 - 01:21:25.670

Now, let me know if it had like a bumper shy or a tail at or something or whatever. So this is a core ATG.

01:21:25.670 - 01:21:35.550

Israel had talked about. Team concerns, decision-making, problem-solving, potential problem an hour.

01:21:35.550 - 01:21:44.900

At me, these are all the things all the kings had take part in anywhere else, I add that one. But yeah, we I instructed

01:21:44.900 - 01:21:58.370

everybody in all these processes. This is my a this was my little badge that I still got to that. So this is when you were in MLA? Yeah.

01:21:58.370 - 01:22:10.890

Yes, yes, yes. I didn't realize I had that. I just pulled out there or from here or here or there you go.

01:22:10.890 - 01:22:20.250

You're running a team for success. This is what we might want to just better distance, but that's actually a union book.

01:22:20.250 - 01:22:28.710

This is a team-building book in me. Tell, tell, tell you what everybody's responsibility is. What you're supposed to do.

01:22:28.710 - 01:22:44.870

You know, Canada cargo. But yeah. So let's let's talk a little bit more about the,

01:22:44.870 - 01:22:52.710

about the MLA as you bring this when we've taught them to 70 cylinder, bring this to the 1980s in the city you are one of the,

01:22:52.710 - 01:23:03.080

the original cost, something we've talked a little bit about. Proximately. I would say maybe 40 guys that were picked.

01:23:03.080 - 01:23:12.770

And I got call and I had to go through interviewing process with union officials and a company called Keppra tree

01:23:12.770 - 01:23:22.310

Go is a company that was our traders who trained us do present their material. You saying there from

01:23:22.310 - 01:23:31.640

Princeton you very bright away. And what triggered it took us all over the union hall in for a gown waiting weeks,

01:23:31.640 - 01:23:44.150

and took us called Train the Trainer. Took us through all these different processes, explaining, doing examples.

01:23:44.150 - 01:23:49.910

Then it would give us something to do with me. How well we, we learned the process. Of course we do very good.

01:23:49.910 - 01:24:01.260

A for good is all new to us, to, you know. But you got to the point. I can, I could do just now, but I can do all these processes from memory.

01:24:01.260 - 01:24:07.670

And at the end of the week when I was gone over this, I will I will start doing things. Includes the hank you remember all

01:24:07.670 - 01:24:17.030

that you do which is, you know, get your mind is like a computer. As an 18 you ever learned is still there. If somebody had said that function key,

01:24:17.030 - 01:24:27.440

you know, it comes right out in the maze. Hey dude, as well as e is do you know? I did it for 13 years for writes a tsunami. I should know what the hell

01:24:27.440 - 01:24:35.930

I was talking about, you know, my dad, you know. But there's one we didn't talk about was teak terms appraisal,

01:24:35.930 - 01:24:43.180

which was the purpose was to sort out and set priorities. For example, the team will list any concerns they might have.

01:24:43.180 - 01:24:50.800

It was separate and clarify and make sure you know, than it they will use a key concern flow chart than they would set

01:24:50.800 - 01:24:58.850

priorities as to the seriousness or just seeing growth to that particular concern. And then a would decide which process to

01:24:58.850 - 01:25:09.360

use identity to use. Decision-making. You didn't use, use problem-solving. And you're usually decision-making. Decision-making used to be a lot of fun.

01:25:09.360 - 01:25:18.770

Basically going to city-making with you to make a choice, a recommendation. You make a decision statement. For example, say, I want to

01:25:18.770 - 01:25:29.450

buy a television, okay, That's minded. That's my statement. I establish objectives. What objectives do a one when considering buying is television.

01:25:29.450 - 01:25:40.240

And then I classify those objectives into miced. Or once this, I must have, I must have what they call it onscreen thing.

01:25:40.240 - 01:25:48.010

I must add that must have that. I like to have this too. I can't think of what it takes for TVs now, I'll just use that as a gamble.

01:25:48.010 - 01:25:57.290

But if it has, yes, and it's okay if you don't have that. So you, you gener, generate all the alternatives

01:25:57.290 - 01:26:07.100

you a value alternative. Alternatives, go or no-go, wooded are high, medium, low as far as the necessity of them. Okay.

01:26:07.100 - 01:26:15.340

Then you assess any adverse consequences. What could go wrong? If I make this choice? Think about doing it right,

01:26:15.340 - 01:26:27.550

then you make your final choice. Your recommendation, though, a potential problem analysis at that desk phone

01:26:27.550 - 01:26:45.120

or are you This was I think just with the climate potential throne of January. Just put likely cause

01:26:47.620 - 01:26:56.390

and you try to anticipate and prevent problems. That's what the potential problem analysis, if you state what

01:26:56.390 - 01:27:04.570

your action plan is going to be, Yan tissue, take anticipate potential problems. What could cause a problem like this?

01:27:04.570 - 01:27:13.610

Then you select actions, both a preventive action and a contingent. And you gotta have a trigger. What's going to happen if

01:27:13.610 - 01:27:22.600

you preventive action failed was kinda said I can continue. Let's say we do that. Then you had is a factor leadership process.

01:27:22.600 - 01:27:36.560

We had five levels of behavior, a1, a2, a1, T2, and G2. G2 is team always Tina, but you have to ask

01:27:36.560 - 01:27:45.710

the questions. Who was involved? What is the nature of others environment, and who makes the final decision is saying, and you have to decide to leave her alone.

01:27:45.710 - 01:27:56.330

Leader Plus somebody else, a gang leader, somebody else leader in the group, or the leader and a group, poster group. But anyway, it tells you what you should do.

01:27:56.330 - 01:28:05.480

And this is an example of of, you know, asking questions doesn't make them which course of action you take in.

01:28:05.480 - 01:28:12.770

If you say yes, you know, you go down there and you want to know, do I have the information I need to make a quality analysis again,

01:28:12.770 - 01:28:20.480

if it's yes, take you to that one. Because structure wise you nothing for you to do. Commitment is commitment of others

01:28:20.480 - 01:28:28.640

critical to effective implementation? If we say yes, and it tastes, do commitment well participation will they can make to

01:28:28.640 - 01:28:38.990

decision is made by me without your active participation. And again, if they say yes, goal, congruence, is there a goal or for goods

01:28:38.990 - 01:28:48.830

between the others, any organization? And if they're, if I should say No, I have a choice of a1, a2, C1 to C2.

01:28:48.830 - 01:28:55.260

But if I say yes, I can use any of the five types of involvement and resolve the issue.

01:28:55.260 - 01:29:02.180

So that was always fun to give examples to work with, so they could try resolve. I have 12 that I really

01:29:02.180 - 01:29:17.690

dig in and I haven't done this a long time, but I still, I still like TalkBack and so on. He talked a little bit, but then people got

01:29:17.690 - 01:29:24.110

added for for learning new jobs and right. Right. Right. Right. Did I mean,

01:29:24.110 - 01:29:31.250

did you did you see any increase benefits or anything or salary from from working in the MLA or Oh, I didn't get any more money only

01:29:31.250 - 01:29:39.680

done if I weren't other jobs, you know. But yeah, how how it worked was simply in T constant. We do learn your job and

01:29:39.680 - 01:29:47.180

for others in a game, for a total of five, you earn so much money, so much extra money.

01:29:47.180 - 01:29:53.900

If you learn all the jobs in a team, you're on another raise. If you learn all the jobs and your team and five, uh,

01:29:53.900 - 01:29:59.100

your sister, your game, what are its applied or down line? You've got another race. You say.

01:29:59.100 - 01:30:06.830

So yeah, there was potentially they're not a whole lot of money, but at least it's more per hour. You add it over and over hours

01:30:06.830 - 01:30:12.680

you work adds up factor while you have big way not only that well, size and came, right?

01:30:12.680 - 01:30:18.160

Yeah. Well, I like it. It depends. Now I see teams

01:30:18.160 - 01:30:27.370

as many as 20 people and I see somebody who's few as 10, you know, like my team. We only had like about eight or nine.

01:30:27.370 - 01:30:34.430

So course learn everybody's torque job done each either, you know, because you got to

01:30:34.430 - 01:30:41.450

know what you look for, what bolted, what bolts to check and that kind of thing. Yeah.

01:30:41.450 - 01:30:53.050

But but by learning other jobs, it helps to break the monotony of doing the same job over and over again. It also helps to prevent

01:30:53.050 - 01:30:59.970

those injuries that occur like from carpal tunnel, from doing on repetitious types, kinds of jobs you're saying.

01:30:59.970 - 01:31:08.690

And it, it can make for a very happier workforce. 3d though. But a lot of us were

01:31:08.690 - 01:31:17.540

doing that kind of stuff in some areas years ago before we even heard of MLA or or pay increase capability progression page

01:31:17.540 - 01:31:24.560

what they call it CPP. So we were doing this stuff already, saw it was nothing. The only thing we're going to

01:31:24.560 - 01:31:32.410

go now we're going to get paid. Why? So why not, you know? And wide enough to run away back then it was for fibers.

01:31:32.410 - 01:31:39.200

You just swap jobs an area, you know, sometimes due to less side of parked on to the right side. Of course, I do disguise job up here.

01:31:39.200 - 01:31:48.650

Put gas lines, awesome, that put gas tanks on. Ish advantage to it than anybody doing a doubling operation?

01:31:48.650 - 01:32:00.780

Yeah, you could do that in an emergency. I say, Well, I had to go to the bathroom or something, you know. And yeah, you eat if if you were

01:32:00.780 - 01:32:09.140

good and some of us were good, we could do that. Give a guy a break real quick, lonely one gone for very long.

01:32:09.140 - 01:32:18.020

But the Union frowned on that because we wouldn't be saying, look, they know you can do all this work. You know, there's possibility

01:32:18.020 - 01:32:26.050

it could lend me a job. So that's not something that you want to do on a regular basis. You cease of industrial engineering,

01:32:26.050 - 01:32:35.270

finds out that Joe Blow can do this job and that job, you know, a we take part of his job where you give it to this guy and rest good job to

01:32:35.270 - 01:32:44.030

this guide and your wouldn't date a guy say. So, yeah, you didn't want to eliminate anybody's job. But sometimes when they

01:32:44.030 - 01:32:51.020

were cut and workforce, they could do that. I mean, you don't tell him dusted engineering what they can do and mean here,

01:32:51.020 - 01:32:59.720

told to cut so many people, they've got to figure out where are you going to put this work at. So does it happen?

01:32:59.720 - 01:33:08.030

It'll get at it. So we did things in another direction. You mentioned again and you mentioned a little earlier about sort

01:33:08.030 - 01:33:13.970

of fathers and sons, working mothers and daughters and and got me think a little bit on about when women

01:33:13.970 - 01:33:21.710

start working at the Crescent point of view mirror when the lake around with time they start coming into the well, yeah. There was some older women now,

01:33:21.710 - 01:33:29.460

when I started here by date date bake came from Detroit most an hour. But the younger women, probably

01:33:29.460 - 01:33:39.870

I'm taking the seventies, they started coming in. Last women in. I remember the first time they

01:33:39.870 - 01:33:46.490

told me I had trade and wanted to do a job they trained or dam will do no job, you know. And a woman reminded me about yet

01:33:46.490 - 01:33:51.980

a few years later she won you. You probably at his job. He said he was a train of Daniel and Judas John.

01:33:51.980 - 01:34:01.760

Doris, I remember to accurate up. She could do the job of it also. There's jobs women do an area that I had to die, I would want to do.

01:34:01.760 - 01:34:11.820

But hey, they get paid the same money we give an amine if you want to work in all the assembly plant grain or female jogger male jobs.

01:34:11.820 - 01:34:18.670

Jobs are there in whatever way assigning to it, once you graduate, we have women welders welding NOL to vote for God's sake.

01:34:18.670 - 01:34:26.360

You know, women did everything there. You know, they drove cars. They seem putting tires on, but they drove cars.

01:34:26.360 - 01:34:33.200

They worked in a welding booth. They didn't mostly everything to demanded the data. Did they get any hazing for

01:34:33.200 - 01:34:40.400

poor people hassle and then when they started coming out. So maybe there may have been some of that, but it wasn't both time

01:34:40.400 - 01:34:50.750

though I notice guys would help them a little. You know. The hardest part about new people is traded into duty job right?

01:34:50.750 - 01:35:00.640

Now. Nice trained people on a job. They give me Gosh, joe will not do this job. I said, I want you to watch

01:35:00.640 - 01:35:11.440

me do a couple of jobs. Then I'm gonna I'm gonna get you to do one step and then I'll take it from there. And then next guy you gotta do two steps.

01:35:11.440 - 01:35:20.030

And I'll take it in three step, lets you know you're gonna do a whole job. But she just can't show, jumps in a dose. You got do it step-by-step.

01:35:20.030 - 01:35:27.360

You know, I could I could train a guy in 1520 minutes that way, you know. And he'd be doing jobs like he'd always been on it.

01:35:27.360 - 01:35:36.310

So that there were some people who just use were clip sack, but that's only thing I can think of. Who just weren't any good.

01:35:36.310 - 01:35:44.320

Just digest it. Everybody does not fit into an assembly plant. That it just not that way.

01:35:44.320 - 01:35:52.160

Somebody who can't work like that. They're not used to that type of thing. You know, I had a brother-in-law want to get a job there years ago.

01:35:52.160 - 01:35:59.840

He wrote a sit in a barn and milk cows, they shovel Kaushik enough. And I could've gotten a job. They can wonderful money,

01:35:59.840 - 01:36:12.590

but now I can do to kind of work. And what you do now paid more money. You got benefits? Yeah. So I benefits was was very important that

01:36:12.590 - 01:36:20.390

you got to benefit because you got to take care of your family, you know? And I gotta tell you the questions.

01:36:20.390 - 01:36:31.630

Good to me. I got a nice pension along. I'm on Social Security, I do that. I don't make me see where

01:36:31.630 - 01:36:39.390

my wife one you'll actually it would make them made by strict detailed knowledge. Now, that's not too bad for retiree. And all I do is sit at home,

01:36:39.390 - 01:36:51.830

but it also benefits are good. But of course I'm disabled too, so, you know, but we've got bad knees. I might have worked to David's.

01:36:51.830 - 01:37:00.830

I left and it was through Social Security. There I did that. I apply for disability, which shocked the hell out of me, you know.

01:37:00.830 - 01:37:11.730

And I I didn't, uh, Chris, Yes. That gives me an additional 5 $600 more month when to retire. So security so so security IF

01:37:11.730 - 01:37:28.760

I just make just under $2 thousand a month. So security and Chrysler about 17, $1800. What? I'll do too bad. I can live in.

01:37:28.760 - 01:37:37.860

I bought a new courses are retired at my corner to the red one. That was my retirement when I left when I when I retired.

01:37:37.860 - 01:37:44.960

Now apply a lighter, I retire to retire it because it was offered to me. I had time I

01:37:44.960 - 01:37:55.760

had two points any daily five points. I was age 50. Well, the time January 5758. Plus I had 35 years.

01:37:55.760 - 01:38:01.720

That's more maybe five points. Okay. So I got cash when I retire, plus I got a certificate for

01:38:01.720 - 01:38:12.950

$15 thousand for the purchase of a car. So what my my trip it out there is my son call it the mighty DEJ. And it's been

01:38:12.950 - 01:38:22.040

a good core to neurotic brotherhood. So this is the morning I noticed something like When I came up I saw the two that you cross the cross on

01:38:22.040 - 01:38:32.930

the dodge and get a day materials in 1990, I've, I've, I bought that brand-new with beautiful By sunrise and as you can tell, I don't have that.

01:38:32.930 - 01:38:41.180

Was it I mean, it was was dork and L2 where they were they like Chrysler towns like low? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Cecil County,

01:38:41.180 - 01:38:52.160

New Castle County, South Jersey, Camden, Pennsylvania 0 at blank shared beyond all, you have GM dies.

01:38:52.160 - 01:39:00.380

Question, guys. Yeah. Yeah, sure. So you see a lot of them in the driveway on how I have how many Kris?

01:39:00.380 - 01:39:11.720

Three up three. I have had a big a big a very long time. I had a little burn, a labyrinth and I'll put that

01:39:11.720 - 01:39:19.070

Imperial brand new when it was new, was beautiful. Courtroom. My son Kai, ticked it around a little bit.

01:39:19.070 - 01:39:29.510

The histone writes, good day camp. That's the most expensive car I report. Must spend that video I ever bought, was it converge in Vietnam?

01:39:29.510 - 01:39:40.160

But can I use the expression warehouse on wheels? That's what it was me at all and whites and all that stuff.

01:39:40.160 - 01:39:48.200

My wife love that car. Vehicle could you sat up high in it is really nice, you know. But I do like it,

01:39:48.200 - 01:40:01.340

but I traded it all off along. We do fan when I want to dive in. So to die, Jelani Cobb and boy, do I have made one payment?

01:40:01.340 - 01:40:10.550

It was going, I love it. On some EDA. I've heard about this, done some reading for an unknown Ford workers

01:40:10.550 - 01:40:16.010

that they do and the people get hassled like Sarah and the plan, everything if they if they were driving our vehicle,

01:40:16.010 - 01:40:23.920

a matter of fact, we got to sign in you your velocity is jack course. Park out back the house.

01:40:23.920 - 01:40:32.290

Yeah. Yeah. That's black. That's fine. And I remember guy, he said Ned named Jerry barriers.

01:40:32.290 - 01:40:40.130

He bought two trucks, were told me that you gotta, you gotta be married me. Well, even these are

01:40:40.130 - 01:40:47.330

American made, what were the wire? But the company didn't join you a WBS to Japanese. That could kick gives off an a,

01:40:47.330 - 01:40:56.570

but after to have a 0, Jerry died is 0 guy he come from St. Louis, transfer to say lucidum, Number guys traded pressured in St. Louis.

01:40:56.570 - 01:41:06.460

But in most of those I met with pretty nice flow. So how did, how did people respond

01:41:06.460 - 01:41:11.570

when that, when people, when there was a rise in the foreign imports in the US, when people started buying more, say,

01:41:11.570 - 01:41:19.030

Volkswagens and Nissan's and Germany, well and Harris. Do wasn't really a whole lot we could say about it because we

01:41:19.030 - 01:41:28.840

didn't really have anything comparable to time. As he said, we were making a gas guzzlers, but but yeah,

01:41:28.840 - 01:41:35.380

Japanese had thought ahead, you know? Uh, yes, you can your country da It's a small country. Do you got to move where

01:41:35.380 - 01:41:46.750

he's big American cars. I mean, you see how like you are. I mean, I saw it fluttered way automated. But yeah. We do

01:41:46.750 - 01:41:53.060

I don't know how much business we do to Japan now, but I remember when we go into K car as we

01:41:53.060 - 01:42:02.960

were using Mitsubishi engines, they built this was a 2.62.6 heavy snow, which I have one which is really nice, you know.

01:42:02.960 - 01:42:09.620

And that's how I became friends with several Japanese guys have worked for miscibility. You guys to come to my house,

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I teach them English, has an e to my house. Every sunny yellow guy named Tokyo Ishi Alma, what I did I was and he was born in 1946.

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And I should've or your father in a war or of course he says he didn't get killed, Huh? He's noise, I wouldn't be here. I said two times, let me ask

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you something, Duffy. I said, if the emperor asked you to die for your country, Kamikaze salaries you draw

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how we hear me say he died on me. I don't know. I don't care if you guys took anatomy Twitter down what

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the mat a Japanese tank down there. He knocked on. Sound like it move. No wonder we use warrior.

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Guy. I miss you might have heard from in years, but Welcome, PJ, come

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out air suddenly anti-Christian, loved what did they go? Oh, he liked string beans would baking, made with baking grease off.

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You just ate the hell out of those things. We should think about it. We just want to get a job, a lot of friends with people.

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I'm very good. I think interacting with people watching us wonder is why I had that job as trainer.

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Because they interact and I get along well with wood management. I got along well with the workers that I work with, you know,

01:43:36.460 - 01:43:49.160

I never really there wasn't really anybody that I couldn't get along with. Say I always keep a positive attitude about everything in it.

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I got to tell you it was tough at the beginning when we started instituting the MAO-A because the old guys are used to the old way.

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Do you know? That's what they wanted to do, you know how issued a bunch of crap. But this is what we gotta do.

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We want it we want to stay in bed and one keep I got Center. Allow you the opportunity to input. Yeah, this guy can believe

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that and understand that, you know. But it did happen that emit. It was tough first couple of years. But I notice as the old guard is

01:44:22.550 - 01:44:29.380

thought to leave in and ignore people accommodate, get more and more people learning to new process.

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This is the way we're supposed to do goodness. And I've actually, I mean, you got toll. Almost the entire workforce

01:44:38.460 - 01:44:48.390

in that mode of thinking is a management. Sometimes it's difficult to get to your aids, but they realize it was really a smart way of doing things.

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And I got a lot of kudos from, you know, they asked me and union staff, I trade the plant manager for God's sake, you know, so fun.

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So how are, how are the workers relationship with the management? I've been reading a lot about debt here lately on a crisis.

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I am talking about the best supervisors and that Connie, everybody's got your opinion as to who did best supervisors were?

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There were some that were really hard to get along with, you know, but they sorta were weeded out. First of all, college became very

01:45:31.310 - 01:45:41.750

important as far as education for management. If you weren't college, what would some kind of a degree? What does associate your what

01:45:41.750 - 01:45:53.480

was your long announce? Our college became very important and then they start college program in say, was part of our employee assistance program.

01:45:53.480 - 01:45:58.370

And you could go to college basically in cost you anything. I'm going to close the books and I never

01:45:58.370 - 01:46:05.180

understood why a book for Sudan, why but, but the book sure to high staying, mostly friends, they haven't paid for it. You know, what I want

01:46:05.180 - 01:46:14.060

when I was going to college. But damn, management saw the need to have denuding had to change. They couldn't just keep doing

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business the old way they take. I'm sure there were times when I thought we were going to do it this way. What are they like it or not?

01:46:20.770 - 01:46:31.170

But the, but basically they, they, they looking at, they want to know what an end. That was good, really good people

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to talk nothing but good about. They said it is a family atmosphere. Why is it truly what it became a family atmosphere?

01:46:40.480 - 01:46:50.140

We teams would have your little parties thing going on. I mean, just as someone I never saw before. And we can do that when I was young,

01:46:50.140 - 01:46:57.020

you know, you had a bootlegger. She would would bring whisky into the plant cell into the hall. I you know, I mean,

01:46:57.020 - 01:47:04.540

that's a terrible thing, but to get that kind of stuff did happen, you know? And then then you try to protect a guy in us, they don't get fired.

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But do you know those those are all things that did occur. It is a real world. Again. Why should I

01:47:12.650 - 01:47:21.290

tell a story if it's not true? I saw these things. Was this would this kind of thing didn't happen more often when you

01:47:21.290 - 01:47:25.430

were would use when I first started out, yeah. Yeah. When I first started out.

01:47:25.430 - 01:47:33.980

Yeah. Sure they did. Get you remember now, majority of people at that time were southern folks. You know, these guys

01:47:33.980 - 01:47:42.170

probably still at school solve model. No. You know what? Yeah. He last sabbatical I kid about his mother.

01:47:42.170 - 01:47:49.920

He told me mothers. Were your parents born in Virginia? At what makes your Hillbillies? No.

01:47:49.920 - 01:47:55.450

Don't look. Yes, it does. You're really wiper to tell her. I said, You know, I understand when

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you were little you money's tie in a tree, Peru Ronnie lagging, she had little miniature still that you learn a family recipe. Where does he tied into trees

01:48:03.640 - 01:48:11.170

you can generate for three. And sudden one day I said that. I said you've got tight rope, me stepped in and blue jays nest

01:48:11.170 - 01:48:17.230

boost a pet you not yeah, the tree gets 360 old when laying on the ground. And then when you stood up, I said

01:48:17.230 - 01:48:28.680

your bellybutton Philip mass, but what you thought your aspirin. Isn't that terrible? So I did not love he was he was a nice lady.

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I do the MSRP. I really do. And get got used to not be here anymore to know Mr. world yet

01:48:37.790 - 01:48:45.160

in mid-December is only April. Yeah. Tough me. But I do to best I can't.

01:48:45.160 - 01:48:53.570

Yeah. Got my son lives with me. So, you know, Muslim Cristofori, he just turned 41 last Friday.

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Okay. Good. Working. Even know I won't be leaky.

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No way. I mean, we can stop here and I can come back again. I'm going to talk more about this.

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I don't care. By joint talk. Quite mindful. That probably pretty obvious. Lifeboat.

01:49:16.180 - 01:49:23.780

Great, great. Great to talk with and enjoy. Cristae, you guys do you feel might be a walk?

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Okay. I'll stop the tape here and one here and we'll set up something for like

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maybe like next week or something. I have to see what I got got planned. Okay. Okay. Well, we'll we'll we'll figure out what works

01:49:34.970 - 01:49:38.210

for each of this, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It gets quite frankly,

01:49:38.210 - 01:49:47.730

it's gotten a lot better and I thought it was going to go really know what to expect. And you kinda let me ramble on it.

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And we can't do that. I'm going to say in his briefcase. So all stopped at 250.