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It's actually Juanita. Juanita. Okay, I'm sorry. Juanita Hayman on Monday, September 26th at her home in Newark, Delaware.

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May I ask if I can tape record you? Yes, you can. Okay. And can I also photograph you at a later date? Yes.

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Okay. All right. The first question I wanted to ask you was when growing up, what were

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your favorite dishes that you would like to eat that you'd like to have? Well, they're still my favorite now, hot dogs, hamburgers.

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The traditional stuff? Yeah, sloppy joes, but any time I enjoy hot dogs and hamburgers. Hot dogs and hamburgers? Yeah. Okay. And what were some of the special

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dishes for a holiday, even if they were just special fusions within your family that you like to make? A lot of it was hot roast, chicken, and lamb potty, I

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like, oh, let a lamb. Let a lamb? Yeah. Are there any stories that you could share with me about, like, funny stories around the table or that had

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to do with the food that was being served? Well, they were all funny. Yeah? Well, my uh, well one time there was a

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pan of mashed potatoes on the stove and also a pan of turnips and as you know or may not know turnips and mashed potatoes look the same in the pot. okay so I'm

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keeping what I thought was mashed potatoes on my plate and it ended up being turnips and back in the day whatever you put on your plate you had to eat

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regardless of how long that you sit there you had to eat it. How old were you? I was about eight or nine.

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Didn't make any difference. I never did get the mashed potatoes. I had to struggle through the terms. Oh man.

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Well that leads me to the next question actually. When you were younger were there any foods that your parents forced you to eat? Yeah never. Liver? Liver, lime beans, peas.

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I hate and detest them to this death. But liver was the worst. They felt that it was, someone told them it was good for you. So

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you had liver at least once a week. liver and onions and lima beans. Were there any interesting incidents where you got in a fight with your

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parents or you got punished because you couldn't eat it or anything? Well, yes, actually.

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I tried to tell them I didn't like the liver instead of paying attention. I ate it and it all came back up. Oh, gosh! Oh, yeah, that's weird.

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And if we had to have things like peas and llama beans and stuff like that, if we had mashed potatoes, I would try to enfold them in there

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so they would slide down easier. Now, my sister, she used to store it in her jaws. Yeah, and it was so cool because her jaw

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wasn't puffed up but she could store packed lava beans and pees and stuff that she didn't like in her jaw and then asked to be excused to go to the bathroom.

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Oh wow. See I wasn't that smart. Oh my gosh that's hilarious. Yeah so she would and so she would ask to

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go to the bathroom and then she would just take the stuff out of her jaw and just keep on going. you know they come back. Did she ever get caught or anything? No,

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she's never caught. Never got caught. I should have told on her but. Oh you're a good sister. Not really but but yeah so it just

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amazes me how you know if you packed food in there somehow your jaws would expand. Hers never did. That is amazing. I don't know

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how she did it but she stored it in there and then she was going spit it out. Oh my gosh. Yeah she was crazy that way.

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Any other stories of her that she would do about food or dessert table or? Well my sister didn't like milk. My mother didn't like milk and my sister didn't like

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milk and my grandmother didn't like milk. So my sister After we'd get a glass of milk, she would pour a half a can of Hershey's chocolate syrup, half a

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can of syrup, and she'd twirl it around and she would drink it that way because it was, you know, chocolate milk. After all the milk was gone, there

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was about a half a glass of the chocolate syrup still in the container. So I would tell her, why don't you just put it in the refrigerator, and next

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time you want milk, just pour it over the top of the syrup until it's gone. Yeah. Yeah, that's how she used to drink her milk. She didn't like milk. And so

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she would pour half a can of chocolate syrup and then more syrup would be left. Yeah, there was more syrup in the glass than milk was in the glass.

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Oh wow, that's interesting. People never did that? You never still couldn't do that? No, I mean when I was little I used to put a lot of

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chocolate milk in. My mother was always right there and she was like, no. No, my sister was pouring it right in. That's pretty cool.

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Let's see, what are some of your favorite memories about food and the community? I mean, did you guys have get-togethers? Oh, we always had get-togethers, but

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the biggest thing that went around was our family used to hold block parties. Do you have any stories about that? Are you?

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We used to block, we used to go on New London Avenue. Okay. And we would block off Way Street, that little side street. And that used to be a two-way street,

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but you know now it's one way. So we would block it off at the top of the hill, which we called dump hill. Yeah, because I don't know why they called

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it dump hill. But we would block the top part off and then block the bottom part off that was leading out to New London Avenue and this was like on Fridays or

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Saturdays we would hold these block parties. I would play the music because I had all the music in town. There would be the usual

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things for sale like hot dogs, hamburgers, snow cones, cookies, cakes. We had juice. And a lot of this money that was, that we

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gathered was used for a Sunday school picnic. You know, where the church would take their kids every summer to an amusement park. So it was used for that. But people

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would come from all over to the block parties to enjoy the dancing and just the camaraderie with the people. We held those for many, many, many years up

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until I guess I was out of high school. Are there in a particular, is there one year that you remember that was just, I mean?

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No, they were all, they were all the same, so they all kind of blended in. I mean, but it was just, just that every summer we had them and it was almost like every other week.

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You know, it wasn't just one, one, one day, one summer, yeah, we would have them periodically during the summer months, and they were always, you know, right,

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right up by the side of our house, right off of 126, which was right on the corner, we had a big house that ran into the back, so it was easy for people to come up if we

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had the foodstuff in our driveway and everybody would be out there dancing and having a good time. Adults and kids alike, but it was mainly for the kids in the neighborhood.

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And a couple other times for foodstuff, our church would hold what they call fun day and that would be on a Saturday where we would they would have food there

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again and they would have games and no matter what game you played whether you really won a loss, you got a prize. Anyway,

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and it was like, uh, maybe like a half a day, you know, some, it would start in the afternoon and they would have cookies

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that were already bagged up and you could, you know, take a nickel or so and buy, but they still have them now. Are they still doing all that? Yeah, they

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still, they're not the block parties, but they still have the fundings at the churches and it's usually like I said on Saturdays and it's usually at the beginning of the

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summer and that one they may only hold maybe once or twice a year so it's not an annual I mean it's not a every weekend or every other weekend type thing it's doing the

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early part and we may have another one towards the end of it but it's it's just a day to get um the children and their families out you know together to just have fun

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and are there any recipes that you've made that you're famous for i don't cook you don't cook I never cooked because I had lots of

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aunts and grandmother and my mother, so if I didn't like what I was having at home I'd call around and see what someone else was having and go over there. So no

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one ever tried to teach you how to cook or you never want to? I don't want to cook. You don't want to cook? I don't want to cook. You don't enjoy it or? No.

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No? I don't enjoy getting my hands dirty. And to cook, you have to get your hands dirty. Now, I can

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cook, but I just prefer not to. Okay. If I had to. Fair enough. No, really, if I had to.

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You'd do it. I'd do it, yeah. Now, I used to help my grandfather when I was younger. He used to make homemade wheat He used to make doughnuts

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and he used to make homemade ice cream. Can you tell me some stories about that or how he made it? Well, you know, with the root

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beer, you have to put a certain amount of yeast into the soda. and uh I don't know one day my grandfather must have put too much yeast there and we

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were in the house and the sodas was like in the basement you know fermenting and all of a sudden we kept and this pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop and the the the tops

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of the sodas was popping off because it was too much so what did he do what could you do i mean you should laugh it was funny it took a while to make it but it didn't

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take that long for it to pop up and get down there. And it sounded like, you know, actual gunshots or a car backfiring, you know.

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When you heard one and then there was a succession of them going off, you knew that it wasn't gunfire. Yeah. So you figured out that

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that's what, that's what that was. There was the ice cream. It It wasn't, it didn't have any electric ones back then, it was all

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hand-cracker. What you would do is you would have to get cream, milk, you used actual strawberries, no flavoring, you know, it was

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actual strawberries or whatever you wanted, and rock salt. Rock salt? Rock salt. That was the, um, the main ingredient. You put all those

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in there together and then you churned it and you kept churning it until it got too hard for you to churn and then you would just pull the thing out to see just

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how, how firm the ice cream was and if it wasn't firm enough you just put it, put it back in and churned some more. It was like a little paddle

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at one of them, like three edges, you know, sort of like a mixture that's now. Oh, you had to do this by hand, and

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you would take turns cranking it because your arm would get tired, and someone else had to take over for a while. What was your favorite flavor?

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My favorite flavor was strawberry. Strawberry. Yeah, you made strawberry, you made vanilla, um, and chocolate. Chocolate. Are there some of your finest,

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like, memories with your family making those kind of things? Yeah, especially with my grandfather. Yeah, my grandfather was the cook. My grandmother, my grandmother couldn't

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cook, um, very much. my grandfather did it and it was it was fun because uh it was time that i spent exclusively with him and doing those sort of things and

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making donuts and making you know cakes and stuff like that my grandfather was the cook were you close to your grandfather very close yes yes And the homemade doughnuts was

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pretty cool, you know, you had to, you know, fix the dough and everything, but the main thing was putting them in the fat to cook them up, and then putting them on

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a towel or paper towel type thing and letting them cool off. And then if you wanted powdered sugar or cinnamon, then you would just go along and sprinkle it

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while it was hot. You couldn't eat it then. You had to wait for it to cool off. But they were the best-tasted dumplings. And I think it was because it

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didn't have all the muck that comes in them now from the stores. You knew what was in there, and you put every ingredient in there. And so

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I had fun doing that, the ice cream, the root beer, and the, you know, and the homemade donut, that was cool. That sounded like fun. Yeah, it

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was fun. It was a lot of fun. Okay, let's see. Do you have a food disaster story? That's the root beer one that you told me.

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That's pretty funny. That's a disaster story right there. And I kept telling them. Disaster as far as... Did any dish

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really go bad? I mean, was there a holiday where everything burned? No, because my family were very good cooks. My mom was and my grandmother,

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we didn't let her in the kitchen. You know, other people, it was just, no, we just had a, everybody could really cook.

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Yeah. And so there wasn't any disasters as far as burning anything or something that tasted well.

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It was just not liking liver. That's so funny. Oh my god. Yeah, I tell that story and she

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gives an angry fucking joke. One question I have for you is when you would, I mean, go, you know, cook with your

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grandfather or something like that, how did you attain some of the ingredients? I mean, did you guys have to travel someplace to obtain some of them?

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We had to go to the, just to a local store. Just to a local store? Mm-hmm. So was there any special dish maybe you guys had to make where you had

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to go, you know, you got the ingredients out of a garden or you had to go apple cooking or? Well, we had, back then most people had their own

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gardens. Okay. You know, in the backyard where they grew, you know, peppers or tomatoes and things. I mean, it wasn't a great big garden, but it was big enough for,

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you know, whatever we want. In fact, we even grew a couple of watermelons in the backyard. But no, and every Thursday, the fisherman came by in his truck,

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and they would buy whatever type of fish that they liked for Friday. Friday was fish day. In the whole neighborhood everybody had fried fish whether it was

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shad or porgies or something like that and or trout and they always had fried potatoes. Can't have fish and to this day I cannot eat fish without fried potatoes. Because it's

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fried it. Right. Oh that's awesome. Yeah. And, you know, we also had a man who used to come around with sausages and hams and stuff like that in a truck in the neighborhood.

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They always came toward the end of a week. Thursdays was fish day when the fish man would come, he'd, you know, be hound like the back of his truck, the

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type of fish, and then the meat guy would come, let's say, maybe a Wednesday or a Friday, so there was always fresh meat and fresh fish that you'd purchase,

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not just frozen crap that you'd get in. Yeah, I know, right? Nowadays, you're just destroyed. Everything is just canned and destroyed and,

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yeah, it's just not a good thing, yeah. Oh, man. One of the questions I had for you is just, when you were growing up in, say,

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on a walk to school or, you know, little trips that you'd go around with your family, I mean, did you like a certain candy, or did you guys, did you always beg your parents

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to stop at some place to get something? Well, no. Um, we always had, like,

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stores in the neighborhood. We used to call them the white store, because we were owned by white folks. So we, we just called, it was a

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store right off Cleveland Avenue, and it was called the white store. And then there was another family that owned the store,

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Tweeds and the Supies. And they had a lot of candy. Back then you could get a handful of candy for like two cents or five cents.

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So we would always go to the store and buy squirrel nuts. Squirrel nuts? It's just a little square piece of candy

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almost like Mary Jane's and they're caramelized with chopped nuts in it but to this day I'm allergic to nuts now but and we used to buy Mary Jane's and the square nuts those

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were the two biggest selling candy and of course on Halloween it was the false wax lips. They still had that when I was growing up really up there. And of course Kool-Aid in

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the straws and also the little milk bottles that had like little flavor. You know it was made of wax but you could take the you know bite the top off or pull the top

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off and yeah and drink a little liquid it didn't didn't necessarily have to be any particular flavor was just the idea of having that and we would collect soda bottles

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because back then they would take soda bottles back and for the regular bottles you got two cents And for the big bottles,

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like the two -liter bottles, five cents. So we would cook, and when nobody had any money, we would

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all go out and collect bottles, clean them all, take them to the store, and then we would just buy our candy. That's, oh, I like that.

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That's interesting. Yeah, and we just all had fun. Nobody had any money. Everybody went out and collected bottles, and

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then we all just shared the candy. We'd all go in and buy different types of candy, Mary Jane, Squirrel, and us, the, like I said, the straws with the Kool-Aid

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in it, and the little wax bottles with the juice in it, and just different things like that. and we all just shared it was like a community community community share

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community bottles you know hey you got any bottles yeah well i think i got a couple of bottles and so that's how we got that's how we got our candy so we didn't

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actually have to ask our parents or beg them all the time to help you out the bias candy we just figured out how to get That's interesting. Oh, I guess I love it.

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Great. And ice cream. Ice cream trucks used to come by. Are there any clothes for us about that?

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tell me. Tell me. Don't put my neighbor in the sand.

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I don't want to. Yeah, we had like Jack and Jill and Mr. Softy. Uh-huh. Well, a lot of times, a lot of

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people didn't have money for ice cream. Uh-huh. So the Jack and Jill guy would come, and of course, you know, they got the double sides.

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Well, we would attract him on one side. Oh, my gosh. And we'd take ice cream on the other side. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, and so when we gave the high sign,

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then they would either, someone would either buy something or say, nah, you don't have the kind of ice cream I like. And by that time, the other people

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who had taken the ice cream were gone and were in a safe place and so we just divvied it up later on. parents never knew because the thing knew.

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Oh man. Did the ice cream guy ever figure it out? I don't think so because we did it. Every time? Not every time

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but we did it many times and and you know we'd switch sides so he wouldn't you know he wouldn't be on balance and They're always still

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on one side or another. And they never called on, so we never told you. That's so funny. Yeah, it was cool. I mean, just

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like there was maybe like ten of us, well, two or three would go on the other side and say, oh, you know, and read the signs like the Nutty Buddies and the obstacles

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and stuff. And they'd be saying, well, I like it. Well, what new kind do you have? And as he's asking that, the other group's on the other side taking ice cream out.

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That's so creative. I love it. I love it. Well, we had to be creative back then. Yeah, why not? It wasn't much. And then the trucks used to come down New

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London and right where the blinker light is like you're going towards Clayton Hall, It used to be a dip. Well, fruit trucks, chicken trucks and

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everything like that would come down. And as they had the downshift to get up the hill, if the trucks were really packed, stuff would fall off the back of the trucks.

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Oh man, so you got to take it? Yeah, it was on the ground and some people wasn't coming to pick it up. So we got fruit and live chickens.

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Oh my gosh. And some people in the neighborhood took the live chickens and was raising them as pets. They started with two or three chickens and

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then of course those chickens had chicky chicks or whatever they were. and they went on, and that's how some of them got there, had their little animal form from the trucks.

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And it didn't just start with our dairy. It started with my mom and them and everybody else until they fixed the dip. And I don't know what made them fix the dip,

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but yeah, most of the people didn't even know that they were losing a couple of boxes off the back, you know probably something exactly where they were going but they couldn't

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figure out where they lost it and we wasn't pulling them off the truck we just falling off the back so running the chickens that they were taking stuff i mean would you

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guys eat any of them no no there was razors the pest yeah i mean so these were the things that we used to do some of it was uh legal and of course some

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of it wasn't but we also used to go pick um blackberries and raspberries and stuff right up right up there where Creighton Hall is that used to be called

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Greenfield and we used to go up there and uh take you know little buckets Do you bring them back? Yeah, we bring them

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back to the blueberries. Well, we would give them to our mothers and they would make pies or they would make, you know, preserves out of that kind of stuff.

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And, you know, sometimes it was nice just to have blueberries or blackberries put in a dish and put milk and sugar

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over it and eat them that one. Oh, that sounds good. Did you ever, did you ever eat a mop or I knew it kind of as a sugary dip or anything?

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No, we was just, yeah, we was just eating it because at that age we were young and we weren't allowed to play with fire.

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So we would just, you know, and there was also a person had a grapevine and we used to go in and fill the grapes. And those

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grapes were sour, they were green. Did you ever get caught? Yeah, but we didn't care. What are you doing when you got caught? No,

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they just tell them, you know, leave their grapes alone, and we'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then we'd kind of figure out when they were home or when they weren't,

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and then we'd go to the table, yeah, and of course back then we also used to have peach and pear trees and walnut trees in the yards, and we would just help ourselves to, um,

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pears and the apples. and stuff, you know. I wish I lived back then. It was pretty cool. Sometimes if we couldn't reach the apples,

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we waited for them to fall. And of course, the green apples, they weren't good for you. They gave you pain in the stomach and they made you run to

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the bathroom, but we were hard-headed and we could not be convinced even after seven or eight years of doing this that the apples were actually causing the problem

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so we would just, you know, anyway. It was more like, like I said, everybody there was even related and if you weren't related it was a big community and everybody

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just gelled and did things together. And so we all played together, we all went to school together. We had a good time.

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Your wife wanted a friend, I guess, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of their kids, um, to grow up listening to the stories that,

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you know, retelling. They can't believe that we did cancer stuff that we did, but the things that we did were not harmful to anybody, but to us. They were innocent. Yeah,

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they were just innocent, fun type things. We didn't do anything that we got put in jail for or anything like that. But there were, there were fun

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things that we kept from our parents and if our parents found out. Did you ever get punished through her dad for anything? Oh,

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me? I got punished every day. Really? Yeah. But girl, what would they

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do? I was a bad child. I was a bad child. Well, they used to be like the little spankings, but then they realized spankings didn't mean

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anything to me. You could spank me if you wanted to, but the way that they could really hurt me was to keep me indoors. I was an outdoor person from the

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time, especially in the summertime, from the time I got up to the street that came on, I was out of the house. the way to keep me to punish me was to

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keep me inside and back then when they sent you to your room that's what it was your bed your bureau that was it there was no tv no no tv no computers

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no boom boxes maybe a little small transistor radio that you could hardly hear and the nine volt battery that was punishment. Yeah that sounds like punishment.

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I don't think I could do that. That was punishment and for me that's what was punishment but every day I got in trouble so I figured that the first thing

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that I did that got me in trouble if I was going to get a spanking that night I had a free day after the first one. to do exactly what i wanted to do all day

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because i'm only going to get one spanking okay forward right yeah first thing you do you know you're gonna get a spanking for it uh-huh

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rest of the day be as bad as you want it because you'll get one spanking exactly so you might as well get it for everything for everything right and so every day every

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day so is there any like a particular time related to food that you got punished for or you know or since you remember it's not really you ever have a food fight or

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anything like that no no no no no no you know if they make you make the turnipses on your plate you're not throwing anything away yeah the famous

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phrase was there's some starving kids over in China or some other country and I, we used to say, well, why don't you pack

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it up and send it to them? Those were the last words or the last time you asked that question. But that was always, you know, there's

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many people out there that are starving and don't have what you have and whatever I have. And of course my parents were going to go, why don't you give it to me?

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But, you know, there wasn't any, there really wasn't any thing about fighting that maybe my sister would steal my cookies or something for me and I go tell my mom and

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she said well that's what she did for eating so slow but it really wasn't any food fights no we didn't have any food fights nobody had food fights okay food fights just

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was not allowed not allowed not allowed and it wasn't even a thought wasn't even a And then they bring it into our minds to have a food fight.

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Okay. Well, if there's anything else, any other stories you can think of? My questions are pretty much wrapped up. Okay. Are there any other stories? Maybe

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I'll try to think of something else. I'll let you know. I think a girl is coming to my sister's. It's Thursday.

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Uh-huh. Yeah. And she's coming over there Thursday morning.

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To interview her? Yeah, it's probably someone from my class like that. Do you know what, what's her name? She told me, she called me today about

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4 o'clock. What's your sister's name? Crystal Sims, I think. Yeah, I, um, oh, who's telling her? I forget.

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I know her name was read out. Yeah, if you would have said it, I would have recognized it. because my sister, my

00:37:53.610 - 00:38:05.960

sister will have a totally different tape. That will be interesting to hear. On everything I told you, yeah, everything I told you, my sister will have a

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whole nother different tape on it, so. So what's your sister's name, Crystal, say? Yes. I am going to check that

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out and see what she says. Yeah, some of the stuff will probably be the same, but a lot of it will be totally different.

00:38:29.840 - 00:38:48.280

My sister and I, we think totally different. We're both Gemini's, but she's way out on that side, and I'm way out on this side. So, we were talking the other day about some

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childhood stuff and I had to look at it and say, are you sure we were raised in the same house by the same people? Because you don't remember what I'm remembering

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here. So, it's going to be interesting. That is interesting. To see what my sister comes up with versus what I came up with. I can't wait. I'm going to go home and

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pipe this up tonight and see what happens. Yeah, do that. That's great. And checking to guess what my sister. Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to see if I

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can figure out who's interviewing her and ask if she can ask the same questions that I asked. Yeah, and see what she gets. I'm telling you right now it's going to be

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360 degrees different from what I'm telling you. May I have class tomorrow or Wednesday night and I'm going to talk to her. I'm going to stop this man.